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s and analysts are standing by. but let's start with april ryan who was just in that white house press briefing. april, you had a pretty testy exchange there with sean spicer. i want to replay it now and get your reaction to it in just a moment. >> i've said it from the day that i got here until whenever that there is no connection. you have got russia. if the president puts russian salad dressing on his salad tonight, somehow that's a russian connection. but every single person -- i appreciate your agenda here but the reality is -- no, no, hold on. no. at some point report the facts. the facts are that every single person who has been briefed on this subject has come away with the same conclusion. republican, democrat. so i'm sorry that that disgusts you. you're shaking your head. i appreciate it. >> i'm listening. >> but understand this. at some point the facts are what they are and every single person who has been briefed on this situation with respect to the situation with russia, republican, democrat, obama
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appointee, career, have all come to the same conclusion. at some point, april, you're gonna have to take no for an answer with respect to whether or not there was collusion. >> april, you've got an agenda, you're shaking your head. >> i don't have an agenda, katy. >> that's what he's saying. from what i could tell, you were just trying to get a reaction, a very point-blank reaction. there's committee hearings on the capitol hill claiming that your campaign could have had ties to russia. how do you fix that perception problem. that's the question you were trying to ask, right? >> yeah. two and a half months and there is a lot swirling about this administration. two and a half months in. i've been here for 20 years, since 1997, the second term of bill clinton. we've never seen anything like this before. and my question was simple. how do you change the perception problem basically? i don't know verbatim what i said, but that was the impetus and the crux of my question. and it went off into this russian dressing, no shaking my head or whatever. but the issue is the issue.
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what's happening around here, we cover everything presidential. and you cannot ignore as a reporter that there are issues on capitol hill. you have investigations going. you have the head of the intel committee coming here to the white house briefing people. the president himself. and there is questions over the fact a that this man should step down or improprieties, all other things. and obstruction of justice and other issues related to the russian investigation. these are real issues that a reporter will ask a white house, be it two and a half months in, be it the first day, be it two years in. so i understand -- i understand what sean is doing. sean is being the white house correspondent. -- not -- excuse me. sean is being the white house press secretary talking about and trying to make this administration look better than what it does right now. unfortunately, i was road kill
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today. >> yeah, his job is spin. to be clear, april ryan, 20-year veteran in that press corps does not have an agenda. >> no. >> i appreciate your time, april. thanks for walking to a camera for us. hallie jackson, you're in the briefing room right now. tell us how the white house is pushing back against the claims that they were the ones that tried to block the former ag, salaly yates from testifying in front of a house intel committee. >> 100% false is the line we heard from the press secretary, katy. repeatedly. i was in the back where the press seats. we only have two seats. peter and kristen were in there today as per our rotation. the press secretary made very clear, this was sort of the opening question to him here in this room. he said, we encourage sally yates to testify. we want to see her testify. insisting in fact that they had no reason to let her not do that, that she should go before a congressional committee if she
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wants to and if that is something that members of congress want to see happen. strong pushback against that original "washington post" story. as you heard one of the reporters sitting in the front row push on, what was the encouragement. you heard spicer read from that letter, sean spicer read from that letter from a lawyer for sally yates to white house counsel. >> hallie, thank you. a ari, talk about the timing of this. this happened on friday. sally yates sent a letter to the white house saying she intends to testify and that same day, devin nunes, chairman of the committee, says we're going to cancel that thursday of the hearing. >> on one hand sean spicer is certainly technically correct and makes the fair point that a letter said, hey, formally intervene if you don't want her to testify. the white house according to the available information did not formally intervene full stop. then you have the wider issue which is the thing you would intervene for itself was canceled. or as lawyers would say, mooted, by the fact that this hearing was pulled and pulled by whom? by chairman nunes who according
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to both parties is under a lot of withering scrutiny for the way he's conducted this oversight and whether he is independent. >> do we have any idea why he would have canceled this hearing? >> again, to be fair. depends on your theory of the case. hearings on capitol hill are not usually of national import. they are frequently moved, altered and rescheduled. >> this one is different. >> this one is different. right. why is this hearing different from so many other hearings? well, for starters, the russia inquiry has only recently in the last ten days been confirmed as an open fbi investigation. number two, you have these explosive, unsubstantiated and potentially liablous accusations by president trump toward his predecessor. the chairman of the house intel committee doing a 180 saying there was no substantiated evidence of wiretapping. then he went and did his press conference. then he went to the white house. then he came back. then he said no, actually, there wasn't this evidence butunmaski
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and the saga continues. this is more than technically whether the white house intervened -- which, by the way, this are things that are executive privilege, both partie parties' presidents claim that from time to time. other thing that's getting lost i would like to add for contest -- the most interesting things sally yates knows as acting attorney general would not be said in an open hearing anyway, anything that would touch on classified or on aspects of a criminal inquiry. >> they are not going to be invoking privilege? >> no, that was made very clear today. sean spicer said he wants to see sally yates testify. that's the position of the administration. >> the white house seems like it's in a bunker right now. it feels like sean spicer came out in a very antagonistic way ready to push back forcefully against the press. is that attitude, that emotion coming from on high?
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>> i think the president certainly is frustrated about the way health care moved, broke apart late last week. i'm at the capitol katy. some of the senators i've spoken with, senator tester, talking about how post health care maybe the white house is going to be able to deal with them. all these din mix that seem set in stone a week ago seem to have been up-ended. that's created a whole new dynamic and environment here at the capitol. >> robby mook, former clinton campaign manager, do the democrats have a real appetite to work for donald trump or just sit out and wait for the 2018 mid-terms? >> i think that's up to donald trump, with frankly. if he comes with some realistic options that are of interest to democrats, maybe there is an opportunity. but i will tell you, not only are the republicans coming with options that aren't at all realistic, they also seem to be
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doing a pretty good job of putting the democrats in a better position in the election. so i don't think it is terribly likely. i will just add on though, i think the same way that the president should be reaching out to democrats on health care, i think he's got to clean up this mess with congressman nunes and this investigation. clearly something's up here. they got to get it into an independent commission, stop yelling at people, get nunes out of there who's been an absolute disaster i think by any measure, and clean this thing up. that might help him work with democrats on other issues, by the way. >> michael steele, former jeb bush advisor and former spokesperson for john boehner, does the president know how to clean this up, and is he willing to listen to people who will tell him how to do it? >> i think they're exploring a number of options, including, as bob says, beginning to work with democratic senators, democratic members of the house, on areas where there is common ground, on health care, for example.
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repealing and replacing the entire law is the first priority. it is the best option. if that's not possible, and it doesn't seem to be right now, i would remember that of the 50 or 60 votes to repeal -- partially repeal, replace, et cetera, the health care law under president obama, half-a-dozen or so went through the democratic controlled senate and were signed by president obama himself. there are places where cooperation is possible. >> bob, what we keep hearing over and over again from both sides is, well, democrats did it or republicans did it or republicans did it or democrats did it for this justification either to not work with the president or to go things alone, et cetera. is there from your conversations an area that democrats feel like they can finally find some common ground? >> certainly. you got to look at the surface here. there's a ton of partisanship. democrats are digging in on the gorsuch nomination over in the senate. here in the house democrats are very reluctant after the
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republicans stumbled on health care to move to the center. but democrats also acknowledge that republicans in some respects have their backs against the wall. they got a none ideological president in donald trump who's open to transactional politics. so even as there is this air of partisanship on a lot of fronts, on some incremental piecemeal movement on health care you could see that happening in the next few months, on infrastructure, maybe even on taxes. but i think the key thing to watch right now here in washington is account government continue to be funded after late april. comes up in a month. this continuing resolution. this is the challenge for speaker ryan, mcconnell, president trump. can they keep this government happening. can you imagine, katy, if there was a shutdown on a republican president when they have republican majorities in the congress? it would be quite a drama. >> it just happened with health care can be didn't it? >> they couldn't find a coalition for health care. the question i have as a reporter and everyone's got here at the capitol, can they find a coalition to keep the government funded among republicans?
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are there votes there to get some kind ever funding through the house? most people say they want to have this defense spending the president's proposed attached to a continuing resolution. but to get democratic voters on a cr, that's the way to keep the government funded, they mostly want a clean bill and nothing else attached. >> hallie, i know you don't have a crystal ball. i suspect this will not be a question that's so easy to answer. but if the president truly does want to work with democrats and sean spicer, as of yesterday, and today, said they were serious about it, what's he doing going out and tweeting about hillary clinton and uranium and asking the intel committees to look into clinton and russia? >> yes, you are correct on the crystal ball, katy. i wish. right? listen, i will say this. when it comes to outreach on democrats, or to democrats, that is something that this white house over the last really 48 hours has talked a lot about, more so than i think you've heard at least in tone from those first 60 days or so of the administration. i would point to something that's happening tonight. this is a dinner, a sort of
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reception for senators, their families here. and there is going to be a discussion, for example, the press secretary talked about this today, reaching out to some of these senate democrats, specifically when it comes to judge neil gorsuch, the president's pick for supreme court nominee obviously to replace the late justin antonin scalia. i do think that may be a time when you could see some of the outreach. the question mark, of course, for our reporting is how will the democrats then receive that and who will receive it and will they. i look at somebody like joe manchin, right, from west virginia. obviously these energy moves are a big part of his portfolio, something he is very interested in. he's one. who else is there? that's the question. >> the other story that continues from yesterday is donald trump's senior advisor, his son-in-law, jared kushner, going to be interviewed by the senate intelligence committee and what came out yesterday that was certainly shocking to many people, and to even sources of mine who are very close to donald trump, is that jared
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kushner not only met with sergei ki kislyak. ari, the white house says jared cush mer met with that bank head as a member of the transition team. bank told reuters that he met with him as a business leader for kushner companies. does it matter if there is a disconnect there? >> number one, yes. number two, you have put your finger on the lurking conflict and confusion that will continue to haunt this administration, even if there is no wrongdoing. because conflicts don't mean you're doing something wrong. conflicts mean you're serving more than one boss, and that is a problem and that has typically been restricted. it is no insult to the trump administration to note the fact that many of the relationships they are currently practicing would be literally illegal if these family member advisor,
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unpaid loophole under a doj memo were cabinet members. but indeed that begs the question because under the 1967 federal antinepotism law they literally could not be cabinet members. so they are in a weird ethical grey zone. on top of that, they are holding meetings which at least as a factual matter leave the perception, it not the reality, they are doing u.s. national interest work at the same time they're minding their own businesses and corporate interests with that perception. it cannot stand. an administration divided between interests is not well served for the country, let alone for its own political interest. ta takeaway -- they've got to better clean up these conflicts. but instead, ivanka trump was just promoted to have a larger government role, though she is unpaid. >> again been th, this is the o that really left a lasting impression on at least one of my
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sources that said they could not believe this was a meeting jarre jared kushner took given the timing of it. early year we spoke with april ryan of american urban radio networks. thank you, guys, very much. right now the president is at the epa where is he expected to sign an executive order rolling back environmental regulations put into place by president obama. when that happens, we'll bring it to you live. should he stay or should he go? more and more democrats are calling for the chair of the house intel committee to recuse himself from the russia/trump probe. but what do fellow republicans want to do with devin nunes? i'll ask congressman mike turner straight ahead. to next-generation fighters... ♪ to landing an unmanned vehicle on a carrier for the first time in history.
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bit more about jared kushner, donald trump's senior advisor and son-in-law who is being called in front of the senate intelligence committee to be interviewed about his meetings with russian officials and the leader of a russian bank. back with me, robby mook, the former clinton campaign manager, and michael steele. michael, let's start with you. the white house says there's absolutely nothing wrong here. is there, at the very least, a problem of appearances? >> i think that's exactly the point of this hearing. i think that this is not a totally unprecedented situation. president kennedy appointed his future brother-in-law, attorney general. president trump obviously has a great deal of confidence in mr.
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kushner, values his counsel. i think this is an opportunity for them to lay out the facts in an open hearing, get this out there and put it behind them. >> i'm a little confused because russia was such a big story around this time. it was a big story before that. it's been a big story since. what would be the strategy for a meeting -- more meetings with the russian ambassador given everything that was going on at the time. in addition, a meeting with a state-controlled bank that is under u.s. sanctions and the illusion, at the very least, that they could have been talking about lifting sanctions down the line, maybe. michael. >> i wasn't working with the trump transition at the time. i'm looking forward to hearing those discussions in the hearing coming up. >> robby, what do you think? >> well, i actually agree. i think this all needs to get out there, out in the open so that the american people can understand what the motivations were for these meetings. obviously there are big questions about whether there was coordination happening at
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large with the russians over the hack of the dnc and so on. look, i think it is important to put this in the broader context of what's going on in d.c. right now. president trump is talking about trying to work with democrats, trying to build some consensus around important issues because he wasn't able to build a coalition within his own party around health care. the more he evades, the more he ducks, the more new information surfaces, the harder time he's going to have working within his own party but more importantly with democrats. part of the pressure against democrats on working with him is that their own base, the democratic base in primary voters, are angry right now. they see trump as pushing away legitimate questions about who is doing what on his staff, his transition and his campaign. he's got to get this out of the way, get it into an independent commission so that he can move forward and actually govern.
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>> what about the voters out there who voted for donald trump specifically? because there was such gridlock in washington. they wanted to see that change. do democrats by saying no, no, no, no, no risk alienating even more voters? >> well, i actually would disagree with that. i think right now there has been no outreach to the democratic party in a concerted way by the president. the onus is really on him to do that. i don't think the focus of voters is on what the democrats are doing. i think they're looking at trump's next move. but again, he needs to be asking himself how do i set myself up to govern the tweets, the ins t insulting remarks, the invasion on russia -- the bombastic attitude and posture towards the press. all this makes it harder for him to do that outreach and so i'm hoping at some point they're all going to get in a room and take a deep breath and really think about how they're going about their business and how they can better work within -- well, between parties, but honestly
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within their own party. that's not going that well right now either. >> ro on capitol hill, calls fo house intel committee chair devin nunes to recuse himself from the russia investigation are only getting louder. >> it is file for the chairman to recuse himself. >> it is for devin nunes to recuse himself. >> it is apparent you can't serve both blasters and you should recuse yourself at this time. >> two serve chairman nunes to resign as the chair of this committee. >> congresswoman jackie speier, member of the committee, going as far as saying he should resign. you heard her there. just two hours ago moveon.org filed a federal ethics complaint against nunes for "violating the espionage act and the rules of the house." but right now it is only democrats. republican response so far --
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>> do you think chairman nunes should recuse himself from the russia investigation? >> absolutely not. chairman nune stchlt is doiis d outstanding job. >> should devin nunes recuse himself from the investigation and do you know the course of his information. >> no, and no. >> congressman, thank you for joining us. what do you think about chairman nunes? do you believe that he needs to recuse himself? >> absolutely not. of course the calls that are you getting from just the democratic side are there because they're partisan calls. the reason why these calls are being made is because devon noonenoo -- devin nunes has come forward and said the intercepted communications of the incoming trump administration that were possibly reviewed by the obama administration needs to be a serious issue that's reviewed. certainly the press is aware of these because of the leaks that occurred in the press and it is certainly part of what the overall investigation should be. obviously the democrats don't like that because it is something that inherently the
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press already knows was happening and certainly would be very condemning of the obama administration if they were improperly using intelligence community intercepts. >> congressman, how do you explain chairman nunes getting the information on the white house grounds, leaving, and then going back to the white house to brief president trump before talking to anybody on the committee, including ranking member adam schiff? and this is a committee that's supposed to be non-partisan. it is a committee that's supposed to rise above all of this and it is a committee that looks like right now it is failing to do. >> there's not a thing that you said that devin nunes had done that's partisan. all of it is just transactional. right? doesn't matter if at the went to the subway, if he went to the white house, if he went to a skiff here on capitol hill. the matter is what is true. what he has stated is a matter that even the press itself has previously reported on. we can't say that this is just new information because you pick up "the washington post," "the new york times" from january and february, even your own broadcasts, you repeatedly say these are official leaks that
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are coming from former obama administration or current administration officials that have reviewed or had knowledge -- >> are you saying that i repeatedly said that these are official leaks coming from former obama administration officials? i don't think i ever said that. >> every news article that es ever been run that supposedly indicates that there's been evidence of the trump incoming administration or the trump campaign in either collaboration or collusion open with unnamed sources have said that they have, and it cites something they've supposedly seen that's all along the lines of what devin nunes is saying needs to be investigated. >> are you saying those sources are coming from the obama administration? is that what you're saying? >> those articles were during the time period where the obama administration was still in the official positions. i think certainly that that's what is the question and needs to be researched and certainly needs to be part of the public discussion. >> congressman, i have one final question for you. i understand this desire to blame one side, on both sides. it is frustrating for the
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american public who just sees in-fighting in congress, blame the democrats for this, blame the republicans for that. both sides. bow do you understand the perception issue here when you have the man who's leading this investigation that is go being in to donald trump's campaign, going to donald trump and giving him information that the president then uses to somewhat vindicate himself? do you see, at the very least, the perception issue? and if you do, how do you fix that? >> well, i look at this a couple ways. first off, in the light that we have director clapper, former director of the national intelligence saying that he saw no evidence whatsoever of collusion between the trump organization and russia from june ton january 20th. then we have the issue of all the democrats lining up and saying devin nunes needs to step aside. that's the partisan voice. the partisan voice that is saying that somehow that this work cannot continue. those that say we want to get to work, these are things we want to work on. we want to work on russia's
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interference with our elections to protect our elections in the future. we want to work on what did happen with the trump campaign, with the trump transition. but also we want to pursue the one that's a little more convenient for the other side, that is what about these leaks. you reported that they happened. how did they happen, where did this information come from and was it improper use of intelligence information. >> congressman, respectfully, these calls and questions are also coming from members of your own party. john mccain is questioning devin nunes and senator lindsey graham says if he is not willing to tell the democrats and republicans on the committee who he met with and what he was told, then i think he's lost his ability to lead. so it is not just a strictly partisan issue. >> neither one of them have called for him to step abide and neither one of them are on the -- >> but statement these are questions coming from both sides. >> i think it is important, as i've said, we need to ask these questions. i think devin is the only one that can answer them.
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>> when are you getting that information? >> about when it proceeds? >> no. the information about what he got and who he got it from? >> he has laid out the process for that. he's already begun the discussion including with adam schiff, the ranking member on the democratic side, explaining to him the information that was provided to him and setting out a course for the committee to review from the nsa. admiral mike rogers has already agreed to a schedule to provide the information of the intercepts that the nsa likely had mike rogers said that in the hearing when i asked him the request he if the had open hearing, yes, there was no prohibition against their collecting on the new administration. nsa is supposed to deliver that information to the committee and it is available to everyone. that's already being set up. >> do you have a timeline? >> we're waiting on the nsa. i believe that they said this stuff is coming this week. we certainly hope that they are. apparently there is a lot of it. that should concern everybody. >> republican ohio congressman mike turner, thank you very much, sir, for joining us today. . that brings us to today's microsoft pulse question. should chairman devin nunes
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recuse himself from his committee's investigation into the trump/russia ties? we'll check the results later on in the hour. soon the president will make good on his promise to roll back environmental regulations. but what will this latest executive order mean for you? we've got an expert panel with all of the answers right after the break. just imagine if all the machines at work were constantly thinking. always on the lookout for patterns and connections to make everything work better. i call it the internet of everything, but it's really the internet of everyday life. ♪ the partnership between dell technologies and sap helps make the promise of the internet of things a reality for our customers. we know how powerful live data can be. we use sap at dell to run everything from finance to procurement to travel expenses. and that's the same kind of live insight we can now start offering to all of our customers. and as we get better information, better insights,
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sean spicer pushed back on claims that the trump administration tried to block sally yates from testifying before the house intel committee on russia's meddling into the 2016 election. a hearing yates was scheduled to testify in last week was canceled by devon noin nunes. a lockdown has been lifted at the white house after a secret service says a man threw a suspicious package over the fence calling that bomb. man was taken into custody. in michigan a judge is holding a hearing on a plan to replace water lines for 18,000 homes in flint. it is a lawsuit settlement that could cost up to $100 million. in maryland, the father of a high school student charged with raping a 14-year-old girl in a school restroom was arrested by i.c.e. agents after finding he was living in the united states illegally. and some footage out of a
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dallas airport is going viral and sparking quite a debate. a furious mother posted this video of her young son with special needs being given a thorough patdown by the tsa. the mother spoke out saying her son was detained for over an hour and they were treated like "dogs." the tsa issued a statement defending the move saying the tsa allows for a patdown of a teenage passenger and in this case all approved procedures were followed to resolve an alarm with the passenger's laptop. president trump just signed an executive order to dismantle president obama's environmental legacy. we are awaiting video of that signing and we will bring it to you once we get it. it does several things. starting with an epa review of president obama's clean power plan. it rescinds a moratorium on coal mining on federal lands. and it identifies regulations that curb energy production. before today, mr. trump targeted several obama era policies on climate change. on march 16th he canceled a regulation protecting waterways from coal mining waste. a day before that he loosened
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fuel economy standards for cars and trucks. in early february, he repealed a regulation that required u.s. energy companies to disclose payments to foreign governments. to discuss this, let's bring in president of the nrdc, and lbs with u and also with us, the founder at ceo of the leadership council. rhea, talk about what these rollbacks will mean for the american, not just for consumers but for americans across this country. >> well, look. from the moment that donald trump announced during the presidential campaign that climate change was a hoax, this was clear that it was a man certainly a president that was going to take this threat seriously. wasn't going to take it seriously. this latest action is just one of a series of comprehensive assaults on environmental regulations, environmental safeguards of this country. what it means for every day people? it means that the basic
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framework of environmental rules and regulations that protect our very ability to breathe clean air and drink clean water are at risk. in addition to those fundamental principles and fundamental standards that i think we all enjoy as americans, there are 6 million americans that are employed by the clean energy economy. these are real jobs, real people in real places that suddenly are being left out of this presidential set of opportunities. >> rhea, the white house spokesman, sean spicer, a moment ago said the president doesn't believe it is a binary choice, there, clean air, clean water, environmental protections but also coal mining jobs. >> i certainly don't think it is a binary choice as is evidenced by the fact that there are these 3 million jobs that are clean energy jobs out there right now with the environmental protections that we all enjoy as americans. i think the challenges that the
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administration is explicitly trying to roll back these standards that we have. and, look, it goes well beyond the climate legacy of the obama administration. it goes well beyond any particular rule or regulation. they are attacking the very fundamental principle and responsibility that government has in safeguarding its citizens. that is really what's on the chopping block right now. >> what we see is a democratic administration generally will put more environmental protections in place, and a republican administration will come in and they'll undo that. last month your group called for what you call a conservative solution and one that would allow certain environmental protections to stay in place for -- and to roll over from adnistration to administration. what is your solution behind that? >> so the plan that we put forward is a conservative carbon dividends plan which basically comes down to getting the market
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price right by putting a tax on carbon emissions, and then getting government out of the way. and our plan would accomplish two very important things for the american public. first, the bottom 70% of americans would come out ahead which means that they would get more in monthly dividends than they would pay in increased energy costs. the second thing is that our plan would achieve nearly twice the emissions reductions of all obama era climate regulations combined. so our plan fits in this moment as the replace strategy to come after the repeal strategy that president trump just announced. so far he's announced only basically what is a repeal only strategy. inevitably that will lead to strong backlash not only from the environmental community but also from the republican base and from business leadership. >> ted, who signed on to this plan of yours? >> so, we started with a terrific group of co-authors, including james baker, george
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schultz, hank paulson, mart martinfeldstein, the former chairman of walmart, and i was the final co-author of this plan which we introduced last month. a who's who of republican leaders putting for the for the first time a concrete market-based solution which we think is the best hope for this republican party when it is ready o talk about a replacement strategy for the repeal plan that it's already putting in place. >> rhea, i don't want to make this a he said/she said. certainly the nrdc is not a partisan organization. but is something like ted is proposing, is that feasible from your position? >> well, look. i have to acknowledge and actually thank the efforts of ted and his colleagues in putting together this plan. it is actually terrifically encouraging to see a conservative republican standing up and acknowledging the fact that climate change is real and that it deserves action. the bottom line is that we need to reduce the amount of
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emissions that we're releasing into the atmosphere. we need a cap, and government plays a role in establishing those caps. it's played a role in establishing all sorts of other caps on pollutions that harm our health, and our communities. there's no reason why government shouldn't continue to play that role, particularly in the largest and perhaps most existential threat of all -- climate change. >> ted halstead and rhea suh in her signature red. thank you, guys, for joining me. >> thank you. the president said today's order helps end his predecessor's "war on coal." it is a theme that he talked about quite a bit during the campaign and earlier this month. >> clean coal. right? clean coal. we are preparing new executive actions to save our coal industry and to save our wonderful coal miners from continuing to be put out of work. the miners are coming back. >> so how realistic are the
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president's claims, and can coal miners get put back to work in the same way that they did decades ago? let's bring in msnbc senior editor cal perry. cal, you've been running through the numbers and you have a bit of a fact check for us. >> yeah. i think he can help bring some jobs back. he is not going to bring back coal because coal doesn't want to come back. here's why. we don't use coal innie mo anym. we use petroleum. coal employs less than 70,000 people in this country. compare that to renewable energy, wind, solar, biofuels, 650,000 jobs. this is the future. this is the past. i can prove it to you. this is what's happened over the last 70 years. non-stop drop. this was the oil crisis in the late '70s and in the '80s we saw a small uptick there but still dropping. listen. the other thing here is this was
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barack obama's signature policy. so i think a lot of people were worried that health care was going to be knocked off the books. this is going to be knocked off the books, katy. that's it. this executive order is going to change it all. >> cal perry, appreciate it. thank you. some big news today from ford motors. hundreds of new jobs are coming to michigan. the president is touting the news as proof that consider companies are returning to the u.s. but is he right? and can trump take all the credit for this one? onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him with renters insurance. because all his belongings went up in flames. jack got full replacement and now has new pants he ordered from banana republic. visit geico.com and see how affordable renters insurance can be. let's take a look at some numbers:
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epa today signing an executive order to roll back obama era climate change regulations. he gave some brief remarks before doing so. this executive order will take several actions in undoing obama's environmental policies. it instructs federal regulators to rewrite rules curbing u.s. carbon emissions. let's take a look. >> i wants to give special thanks to administrator scott pruitt, secretary ryzenky and secretary rick perry. i said to rick, run it the way you ran texas. because it is going to be a great operation. and he did a great job and we are honored to have all three. i'm really honored to have our vice president. because mike pence has been outstanding. hasn't he been outstanding? [ applause ]
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together this group is going to do a truly great job for our country. we have a very, very impressive group leer to celebrate the start of a new era in american energy and production and job creation. the action i'm taking today will eliminate federal overreach, restore economic freedom, and allow our companies and our workers to thrive, compete and succeed on a level playing field for the first time in a long time, fellas. it's been a long time. i'm not just talking about eight years. we're talking about a lot longer than eight years. you people know it maybe better than anybody. thanks, as well, to the many distinguished members of congress who have taken the time to be here. i want to thank all of our industry leaders who are with
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us. and who share our determination to create jobs in america for americans. and shelly, thank you very much, also. i spotted you in the audience. thank you. that is what this is all about, bringing back our jobs, bringing back our dreams, and making america wealthy again. i also want to thank the dedicated public servants who are with us this afternoon. you're doing important work to protect our health and public resources. so important. finally, i want to acknowledge the truly amazing people behind me on this stage. our incredible coal miners. we love our coal miners.
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great people. over the past two years, i've spent time with the miners all over america. they told me about the struggles they've endured. i actually in one case, i went to a group of miners in west virginia. you remember, shelly. and i said, how about this? why don't we get together, we'll go to another place, and you'll get another job. you won't mine anymore. do you like that idea? they said no, we don't like that idea. we love to mine. that's what we want to do. i said if that's what you want to do, that's what you're going to do. and i was very impressed. they love the job. that's what their job is. i fully understand that. i grew up in a real estate family. and until this resent little excursion into the world of politics, i could never understand why anybody would not want to be in the world of real estate. believe me. so i understand it. and we're with you 100% and that's what you're going to do.
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okay? [ applause ] the miners told me about the attacks on their jobs and their. they told me about the efforts to shut down their mines and the communities and their very way of life. i made them this promise. we will put our miners back to work. we already eliminated a devastating anti-coal regulation, but that was just the beginning. today i'm taking bold action to follow-through on that promise. my administration is putting an end to the war on coal. we will have clean coal. really clean coal. with today's executive action, i am taking historic steps to lift the restrictions on american energy to reverse government
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intrusion and cancel job-killing regulations. and by the way, regulations not only in this industry, but in every industry. we are doing them by the thousands. every industry. we will have safety. we will have clean water. we will have clean air, but so many are unnecessary and so many are job killing. we are getting rid of the bad ones. one after another we are keeping our promises and putting power back into the hands of the people. first today's energy independence action calls for independent reevaluation of the so-called clean power plan.
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perhaps no single regulation threatens our miners and energy workers and companies more than this crushing attack on american industry. second we are lifting the ban on federal leasing for coal production. third, we are lifting job killing restrictions on the production of oil, natural gas, clean coal and shale energy. and finally we are returning power to the states where that power belongs. states and local communities know what is best for them. they understand it. they get it. they have been doing it for a long time. it was taken away from them and not handled well. they are the ones that we should now and will now empower to decide. my action today is the latest in a series of steps to create american jobs and to grow american wealth. we are ending the theft of
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american prosperity and rebuilding -- the jobs reports of my administration. if you noticed, ford, great company, announced massive new spending on three big plants in the state of michigan, a state i love very much. it's a very important announcement. meaning jobs, jobs, jobs. we will continue to expand
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energy production and create more jobs in infrastructure, trucking and manufacturing. this will allow the epa to focus on the primary mission of protecting our air and protecting our water. we are going to start a new energy revolution, that celebrates american production on american soil. we want to make our goods here instead of shipping them in from other countries all over the world. they ship in and ship in and take the americans's money and take the money and go home and take our jobs, take our companies. no longer, folks. no longer. we believe in those really magnificent words. made in the usa.
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we will unlock job producing natural gas, oil and shale energy. we will produce american coal to power american industry. we will transport american energy through american pipelines made with american steel. made with american steel. can you believe somebody would actually say that? this came up a little bit coincidentally when i was signing the pipeline deals. i have got them done. i said folks, when we get the steel, they said i think it's from foreign lands, i said no good. who makes it? who makes the beautiful pipes for the pipeline? they said they are made outside of this country. no more. we added a little clause. didn't take much. you want to build pipelines in this country, you are going to
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buy your steel and have it fabricated here. doesn't it make sense? huh? he knows. together we will create millions of good american jobs. also so many energy jobs. and really lead to unbelievable prosperity all throughout our country. repair will have a lot to do with that. i want to thank everybody in this room. you are all very special people. in particular i want to thank the miners. my guys, they are good enough. thanks. these people evaporate had enough thanks. they had a hard time for a long time.
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they are tough looking guys too, i will tell you what. not going to mess around with this group. all right. thank you, fellahs. i made my promise and i keep my promise. i want to thank everybody in the room. god bless you and god bless america. thank you very much. thank you. >> president trump saying i made my promise, i keep my promise. also thanking coal miners in the room. bringing back coal mining jobs was a key campaign issue. it's something he said over and over again. you will watch him sign this
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executive order right now. this will be rolling back obama era climate change regulations. let's bring in white house correspondent kristen welker. these are jobs that are just not going to come back because the industry itself has moved on. the white house is counting this as a win. >> they are counting it as a win particularly after president trump had such a difficult week last week. this allows him to as you point out say he is fulfilling a key promise and allows him to say that he is creating jobs. what specifically did he call for today? let's run through that first. he is calling for the federal government to review the clean power plan. that is something that was signed by president obama. the goal of that is aimed at reducing carbon emissions. he is calling for fewer regulations and saying that the federal government no longer needs to take climate change
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into consideration when making major decisions. they are bracing for big legal battles on the horizon. just as former president obama had to deal with when he enacted the environmental protections. this is obviously a flash point in american politics and culture. we know that they are cheering this in coal country, but environmentalists are vowing to block this. more point. coal country is losing jobs. right now they are about 75,000 coal jobs in the u.s. compare that to jobs in ren renewable energy that is 650,000. >> that are is exactly the same point that we made on this program just a couple of months ago. this is what president trump is doing. it's his new campaign slogan for 2020 that he is rolling out. promises made, promises kept. he will say it regardless of whether or not it actually happens. of course kristen welker at the white house. we appreciate your time.
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that wraps it up for me on this hour of msnbc live from new york. kate snow picks it up right now. >> we will take it from here. good afternoon. i'm kate snow. here are the top stories. a combative chapter in the russian investigation. democrats making serious accusations that the white house tried to prevent former acting attorney general sally yates from testifying before congress, but just a few moments ago, the white house pushed back on that hard. plus the united states setting a radically different force on climate change. a sweeping new order instructs the protection agency to review one of president obama's legacy-defining policies. one called it an act of war against renewable energy and the science of climate change. this is a move with a singular focus. you heard the president say jobs. ng

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