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we appreciate your time. that wraps it up for me on this hour of msnbc live from new york. kate snow picks it up right now. >> we will take it from here. good afternoon. i'm kate snow. here are the top stories. a combative chapter in the russian investigation. democrats making serious accusations that the white house tried to prevent former acting attorney general sally yates from testifying before congress, but just a few moments ago, the white house pushed back on that hard. plus the united states setting a radically different force on climate change. a sweeping new order instructs the protection agency to review one of president obama's legacy-defining policies. one called it an act of war against renewable energy and the science of climate change. this is a move with a singular focus. you heard the president say jobs. speaking of jobs, robots.
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new research shows between 360,000 and 670,000 american jobs were lost to robots and automation since 1990. now with self driving cars and trucks, are we set to lose even more to artificial intelligence? >> open the doors. >> i'm sorry, dave. i'm afraid i can't do that. >> we will get to the robots in a minute, but to get you up to date on the top stories, let's check in with hallie jackson. senior news editor cal perry is here and presidential historian douglas brinkley will be with us. let's start at the white house. hallie, we had the president signing this environmental executive order that undoes what president obama had done. why is he arguing for this.
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>> that obliterates it or destroys what president obama had built up on climate. this is something that donald trump promised to do. you heard him at the environmental protection agency talk about ending what he described as a war on coal. a lot of this would take the teeth out of the clean power plant or what they are intended to do that. they put in place and this is a maneuver that doesn't have just policies or muscle behind it, but something that the administration is doing now in an attempt to show strength here. a little bit of a shift from the conversation that a lot of folks have been having over the last 24 to 48 hours that has been about what is happening on capitol hill with devin nunez and the house intelligence investigation. is my mike open? let me go to cal perry. you have been digging in on what this means to the coal industry. >> we're don't use a lot of coal
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in this country. we use very little. number three on the list of the energy sources that we have. that's way down from what it once was. we are talking about less than 70,000 jobs. president trump is talking jobs, jobs, jobs saying it will bring a lot of jobs back. when you look at the history of this, it is nothing but falling for the past 70 years. this was the petroleum crisis in the late 70s and 80s. take a look at west virginia. the red line is full time, part-time health cakacare jobs. the blue is the coal industry. you may see a slight increase in west virginia where the plants are staying open, but it's not a massive increase. when he said the pipeline will be used with all u.s. steel, it's not. that was a loophole. he meant future pipelines. >> not in the past. let me switch topics and go to casey hunt.
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a lot of questions, casey about the house intelligence chairman devin nunez and a lot of democrats calling on him to step down and not lead this investigation into connections about russia. he seems to be saying i'm not going anywhere and that's what the leadership is saying as well. >> that's right, kate. i spoke to nunez this morning and asked whether he planned on recusing himself as democrats demanded. he wouldn't answer the question, but said it will keep going as he once insisted that it would. the house speaker asked whether he would join in calls for recusal really. it's in the speaker's hands and he believes nunez should recuse or remove nunez as chairman of the committee, but at this point republicans are all standing behind devin nunez as there have been the series of
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investigations looking into russian medaling in the election. anything that may have been improper. he went to the white house grounds on tuesday and he wouldn't say who the source of his information was. a lot of speculation. he wouldn't rule out that it was somebody inside the white house who provided this information. the house speaker said he doesn't know where nunez got the information. this led us to where we are. there are a lot of questions about the credibility of the investigation on the house side. even republican senators are saying that there are questions that nunez should answer. lindsey graham and john mccain raising questions about where it is coming from. this is also underscoring that what we may learn about russian meddling, it is more likely to come from the senate side where they are proceeding and where there seems to be bipartisan cooperation. we'll will hear more from that
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over the course of the coming days and we don't have banner names yet. the house intelligence cancels that public hearing that was supposed to feature sally yates who is at the center of controversy after her lawyer sent a letter saying she was going to provide information to the committee and asking the white house to tell them if they didn't want her to. sean spicer said they didn't respond to it which means they did not in their view prevent her from testifying. the reality right now, the investigation has ground to a halt. >> he would encourage sally
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yates to testify. about all of this that's happening, the white house clearly pushing back hard as they have been talking about this reporting. i would say there is another line we are following at the introduction of the white house and capitol hill, what is going on with the senate intelligence committee investigating ties between the trump transition or campaign and russia ties generally overall russian interference in the election, if you will. jared kushner volunteered according to the white house to come and answer questions in front of that committee. there are still question mark about the timeline of what he might say and they caught up with members a couple of minutes ago and i think we have that ready for you. listen. >> we will be moving towards the gorsuch nomination as you know next monday. gorsuch will come out of committee and will be on the floor. >> hi, senator.
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what do you hope to hear from jared kushner? >> that interview has not considered yet so i'm going to wait and see what the results of it are. i think it is positive that he is willingly coming before the committee and also a positive sign that our investigation is progressing. >> any idea when you might be calling on him? >> you have to ask the chairman that. >> the senator talking about a positive sign to see the president's son in law, a senior adviser at the white house and someone who held meetings with folks tied to moscow coming in front of the senate intelligence meeting. judge gorsuch is another big story on the hill. >> thanks so much. i want to turn over to douglas drinkly and get into a little bit of a deeper discussion. you have a new book out. full heritage.
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franklin d. roosevelt and the land of america. a lot of interesting stuff in that book and i feel like it's relevant to the day and the moment in history that we are in. you are nodding along. i want to start with the russia investigation. you told "the washington post" that there is a smell of treason in the air when it comes to this investigation. why did you say that and has anything changed about your view in the last week? >> you know, a lot of people are afraid to use the t word, treason, but that's what people are investigating. they talk about collusion with russia and people who work in the trump campaign and meddled in american elections. the free and fair elections are the heart and soul of our democracy and the fact that on the day i said that, fbi director comey said the president of the investigation is under a federal criminal investigation. it was stunning news and remains
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stunning news. we don't that to be the new normal. if american citizens are working to undermine the u.s. government or undermine the electoral system, it's a serious cause. what that is is you are not working against america and you are working on somebody who is an adversary of ours. that's treason. >> it's interesting that we're talking to you today because a lot of roosevelt's work was on the environment and we had president trump signing that executive order. i want to play more of why he wanted to reverse environmental regulations. >> we are going to have safety and clean water and clean air. but so many are unnecessary and so many are job-killing. we are getting rid of the bad ones. one after another, we are keeping our promises and putting power back into the hands of the
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people. first today's energy independence action calls for immediate reevaluation of the so-called clean power plan. perhaps -- perhaps no single regulation threatens our miners, manager workers and companies more than this crushing attack on american industry. second, we are lifting the ban on federal leasing for coal production. third, we are lifting job killing restrictions on the production of oil, natural gas, clean coal and shale energy. and finally we are returning power to the states where that power belongs. states and local communities know what is best for them. they understand it. they get it. they have been doing it for a long time. it was taken away from them and not handled well.
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they are the ones that we should now and will now empower to decide. my action today is the latest in a series of steps to create american jobs and to grow american wealth. >> doug brinkley, if fdr were around today, what would he think of that? >> he would be aghasta the at it as would theodore roosevelt. this idea of clean coal is like alternative fact. that's like happy poison. there is no such thing as clean coal. we have been trying to wean ourselves off of it for a while. smoke stack industries are choking people. we have respiratory illness and we are trying to march forward to keep our rivers and lakes and landscape as part of our rightful heritage. this is an assault on the public
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lands. we have seen it with ronald reagan and james watt and watt went down in flame. here you have donald trump beginning a process of trying to gut the budget of the ep aba by% and shop it as clean coal. >> we will drop it one more time. in his first 100 days, there was a lot done. the new deal. how does that compare to what we have seen so far? >> on a 1-10 scale, fdr's was a 10 and donald trump's is a zero. he created this one program, civilian conservation corps unemployed men were hired at $1 a day and planned 3 billion
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trees to green the country. he started the process of creating 800 state parks in his first days in office. he created things like the tennessee authorities to start doing hydro water conservation projects. it was an extremely advanced and fertile period. the idea of 100 days rating is because fdr got an a plus and everyone else is compared to him. >> always good to have your perspective. >> and the new book by the way is rightful heritage. franklin d roosevelt and the land of america. how the catholic church is pushing back against one of the president's controversial initiatives. jacob is with me next.
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as we have been reporting on monday, sanctuary cities could be at risk for refusing to enforce federal immigration laws. they add to the climate of fear that gripped a lot of immigrant communities. if are more i want to bring in my colleague who is reporting on how the catholic church is educating undocumented immigrants on how to respond to all these changes. what are you hearing from the church and members? >> we had reports of individuals
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and undocumented immigrants. here in the united states, the catholic church, the largest denomination is systematically and officially training undocumented immigrants how to avoid deportation. we got access to one of the seminars. look at what we found. every night there is a catholic mass and every night they are doing something different. >> my spanish is not very good, but the family with immigration is what's happening here tonight. >> that's happening here tonight. >> lucy works for the archdiocese of los angeles. part of her job is to train parishioners how not to be deported by ice. >> how many people are at risk? >> anybody that looks like this is at risk.
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they are stopping everybody. >> that's a lot of people in los angeles. >> me about it. yes. >> los angeles like the state of california is majority minority. they are terribly more latinos than any other ethnic group. the biggest catholic archdiocese with over four million worshippers in the united states. i met anna cordova and while she is a u.s. citizen, neither of her parents are. >> you are 13. why did you show up? >> to learn what happens when someone gets deported and how to hide or talk your way out of it. >> skits like this acting out and ice showing up in a home is one of the ways they are teaching people how not to be deported. the scene playing out here has and will continue to repeat itself in many of the archdiocese's 300 churches.
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the training is guided by this page of official documents that in english and plannish, what to do when you encounter it at home and at work and how to establish a child care plan and present authorities with this card explaining the right to remain silent. jose gomez is the man in charge of the nation's largest archdiocese. >> they are going church to church preparing the family. why? >> i have been talking about stopping the deportation for a long time. it's breaking families and destroying the lives of people. >> they encouraged to break the law? >> we are not. we are teaching our people what are the rights in a situation like that. >> three days after meeting anna, she invited me back to
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meet the undocumented mom and siblings. >> the check point is two street lights from there. >> what does that do? what are people saying? >> we don't come out. we are kind of in our shells. >> you stay home? >> yes. >> do you see what you are doing here in los angeles as a conflict with the trump administration? >> we have been doing this for a long time. we want the undocumented people to really be part of the society. >> you think he would like this plan? >> i think so. i'm sure he does. i talked to him several times and whatever they this need. >> i asked the department of homeland security of which ice is a part and what the church is doing out here in los angeles. they told me they fully respect the rights of all people and organizations to voice their
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opinions without interference. >> is the church worried at all about the blow back for doing something like this? >> they're not. that's because they maintain they are not teaching people to break the law and they are not teaching people how to avoid deportation and they are teaching people even if they are not citizens to know what rights they have as undocumented immigrants and that is the right to remain silent. >> up next for sale, why your browsing history and personal information might soon be up for sale if the price is right. chunk of change. the search on for a 220 pound gold coin stolen from a berlin museum. you will be looking under the couch cushions when you learn how much that coin is worth. what if technology
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>> let's look at the other big stories. a michigan judge just approved a $1 million settlement to replace water lines in homes. they will pay for at least 18,000 homes. the work is expected to be done by 2020. a coin worth about $4.5 million was stolen from a museum in
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berlin. the 220 pound gold coin called the big maple leaf has the coin of queen elizabeth ii and maple leaves on the other. it was likely stolen by a group of thief who is entered through a window. the women's national hockey team may not be boycotting after all. they were set to vote this afternoon or soon to end the boycott. they were protesting not being paid a living wage. the men's team was considering a boycott in solidarity. they sent a letter calling for equality. the world championships begin this friday. a jobs announcement from the white house. the president tweeted about news out of ford. big announcement by ford today. major investment to be made in three michigan plants.
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jobs, jobs, jobs. ron mot joins us. how many jobs are we talking about? >> not very many based on this announcement. they said they are going to invest billions of dollars in three plants in michigan. at one particular facility that it would create or retain 130 jobs. on the high end that could be new jobs and on the low end that could be zero new jobs. it's hard to say if there are net positive new jobs coming with this announcement today. another question a lot of folks are asking, is this old news being repackaged as new and the president is taking advantage of the opportunity and take credit for what he appears to have done to to affect the jobs in the auto industry. two years ago when ford negotiated the new deal with the united auto workers, a lot of these announcements were made that they would invest mine
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billion between 2015 and 2019 where they move operations around. one of the things not discussed and the president did when he was a candidate, they wanted to move jobs down to mexico with a new plant down there. what happened is that the company pulled away from the plant and they are planning to bring a small production line down to an existing plant in mexico. whereby to today, we have no idea how many new jobs are on the line. the company said they would create an existing workforce. it's good news. instead of job losses, there are potential for job gains here at ford. >> good news. more complicated. we are keeping an eye on a very important vote that is expected later today in the house. the bill would roll back
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regulations on internet service providers, allowing them to sell records of people's personal browsing history. verizon and at&t stand to benefit. comcast is the parent company of nbc universal. the senate voted to approve the measure by 50-48 along party lines and now it's in the house. >> this is up for debate. if you talk to the isp providers, they will tell you they don't necessarily have as much information at their fingertips as cyber pros would lead you to believe. another big name is charter communications. a lot of these big telecom companies. according to the cyber experts we talked to, more information is at their disposal than what you would type into google or
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facebook. every time you type an address or a search or any information into that address bar, they would have a record of that. it could be anything about medical issues you may have or maybe your bank or where you bank or e-mails. all of that potentially could be at risk. the concern here is that these service providers would have the green light should this today pass with the house and would have a grown light to sell that information on to advertisers for direct marketing purposes. the internet service provider said wait a minute. we need to be treated fairly because google and facebook are allowed to target you and we want to do the same thing. the difference according to cyber security experts is listen, you can choose not to go to google or facebook. you are pretty much locked into your service provider and can't really not choose to use them. the obama administration passed
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this rule in october because the internet service providers have so much information about you at their fingertips. they wanted to create this rule that said they cannot share that information. they cannot sell it without you agreeing to it. now it looks like the senate has blocked the rule. the house may do that in about two hours. >> where are we talking about selling the information to? >> to advertisers. if you have regularly said i am interested in this pink pair of shoes or boots or hats or gloves or whatever and then you know how you so often see that follow you as you then go on about your regular shopping habits and what if you bank at bank x and now bank y wants my business and they start bombarding you or what if because you typed an e-mail that contains key words, you get e-mails and direct marketing based on those key words that come to you.
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you can imagine the host of concerns here especially as it relates to medical privacy. if you have someone in your family you are concerned about and you type in diabetes or alcoholism or drug abuse, the concern is that that is not necessarily private and those messages could therefore in some way track you and advertisers would be bombarding you. >> feels like that already happens. i don't know how you knew about pink boots. >> could be gloves or anything. >> up next, the rise of ivanka trump and jared kushner, the two west wing power couple. >> jared is a very successful real estate person. i actually think he likes politics more than he likes real estate. he is very good at politics. but seriously, i know we need it.
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about the that ivanka trump is playing in the white house. somebody said she is all powerful. >> i think the important thing to remember is that this new role is largely undecided. when i was writing this piece, somebody said it was important for her to pursue her passion and influence child care policy for her father now that she is in the white house and she is passionate about. another thing was a clear cut example of what she is looking to do in the white house. she was leading a women in business round table and bringing people into the conversation. it will be her passion projects and someone said she is here with the president's best interest at heart. that's important when you think about the competing factions in the white house.
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she is going to have longevity which is the key in this administration and it's hard to fire family. >> there is that loyalty thing. jared, the other half of the power couple has been given a long list of to dos now. he is a senior adviser to the president and named the head of the office of american innovation. he is supposed to solve the mideast peace problem and still a go between with the administration of foreign governments. how on earth can one person do all of that and how do you read his power? >> i think that no one would expect him to reinvent the government and solve middle east peace quickly. >> it's a tall order. >> it speaks to the mount of reliance the president has on him and the amount of trust the president has on him. he trusted his family more than
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anybody else. he worked himself into that. >> he comes from a people that supported democrats. his dad gave money to democrats. he told people that he changed during this campaign. >> he tells the story of this conversion where he went out on the campaign trail and heard donald trump talking about common core and people booing and his circles. common core was considered a good thing. he felt like the elite wisdom. >> we talked about ivanka and
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her politics. she said she was friends with chelsea clinton. do you think her view has changed since being with her father in the white house some. >> that's something that time will tell. >> she has been able to maintain a fiscally conservative view and pushing for liberal and social issues. when someone said earlier, the issues she is looking to advocate for are a political and trying to help make child care credits better for more americans and available for more americans. they think they are largely a political. when you are trying to wrap in the tax credits for the penting and revolving policy of the white house that they are supposed to rule out, you are going to run into politics. whether or not that changes, i'm not sure. in this town, it's hard not to see things as political even if they describe her passions as
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otherwise. >> jared kushner does not do a lot of interviews. you write that his decision to leave behind his business and prior political affiliations and quite a few friendships to serve the trump administration. many people that he was close to would write him e-mails and say what is it you are doing. i thought you were a democrat. he is called it an exfoliation. >> i think that probably he
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timeline on. >> that was paul ryan after the republican conference meeting earlier today. the headline out of that meeting, health care is not dead. house freedom caucus chairman mark meadows said i don't think we need to go home until we get this done. for more i want to bring in congressman mo brooks of alabama and a member of the house freedom caucus. congressman, nice to see you again. the last time we spoke, we were trying to figure out if there was going to be a vote or not on health care. all the republican house members get together. me about the mood and the discussion behind closed doors. >> there was a series of discussion about where to go from here. they have dissipated and now we will get back to work. the key is going to be what is the work product?
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if the work product is going to be another massive welfare program such as the bill we almost voted on last week or going to be legislation that is going to continue allow insurance premiums to increase 15 to 20% over the next few years it's a nonstarter. if we're going to seriously get to the task of addressing health care and making it more affordable for americans i'm all ears and look forward to it. i have a solution, let's see what others want to bring forth. >> do you think there are members or staffers sitting behind closed doors trying to hammer out another compromise, another way forward on health care that you can do in what, the next two weeks? >> the word i get they are trying to find common ground to shift more people from a no vote to a yes vote. what's going to be critical is whether the finished product is good for america or bad for america. we all have our own judgments and form that based on information we're able to glean about a particular issue plus
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what our constituents tell us plus the kind of insight we get from back home, our experiences as we grow up and the key is going to be whether it's going to be a good or bad bill. i'm more than happy to vote for a good bill that improves the quality of health care and lowers the cost without reverting to socialized medicine. i might be one of the few in the house that feel that way, but that's where i am and that's what's necessary to get my vote. >> you think it's a good use of time right now to go back at this and really dig in again or would you rather be moving on to tax reform and other issues? >> oh, what i would prefer if i had a magic wand and could just say this is what we're going to do. >> yeah. >> is at a minimum i would pass the legislation that the republican party passed just a couple years ago, it repealed the substance of obamacare, effectively gutted it, not 100%, get it to ground zero and then from that point forward, work on -- with the democrats now, now the democrats can participate because we're no
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longer talking about a repeal of obamacare, that has happened, that frees them up to participate in this process, hopefully together we can come up with a bipartisan, constructive way of addressing the soaring health care costs making health care more and more unaffordable to americans. >> i want to ask you about planned parenthood. earlier today the speaker was asked if republicans should defund planned parenthood in the upcoming spending bill. i want to play that clip quickly. >> are calling on republicans to use the upcoming cr to defund planned parenthood. >> we think reconciliation is a tool. that gets it into law. reconciliation is the way to go. >> what do you think about that? should planned parenthood funding be attached to the resolution on government spending all wrapped up in whether the government shuts down. >> in the context of us not having enough money to balance our budgets and the context of the united states of america heading toward a debilitating
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insol vens we have to cut our spending. i'm one of those not comfortable taking money from one group of people to pay for abortions for another group of people when these people believe we are taking their money to pay for murder. you can argue one way or the other on pro life, pro choice, but this group of people, i don't believe, should have money taken from them to pay for other people's abortions, given the intensity and depth of feelings and the financial condition of the united states of america. we have to reduce our spending in various places and that's one of the places i recommend cutting spending and in that context i would agree with paul ryan. >> isn't that the same kind of choices that are made, though, about defense spending, for example, and people may be against war and you're spending on defense? >> we're having to balance a myriad of different demands on federal government to financing versus families having to pay higher taxes and less able to
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take care of their own families versus borrowing money because we don't have it and that incleesz our risk of suffering insolvency and bankruptcy. we had a hearing, a way of example on venezuela, foreign affairs subcommittee hearing, and i don't know if you're aware but roughly three quarters of the population of venezuela has lost 19 pounds of weight over the past year. because they can't get enough calories. that's what happens when you have an insolvency and bankruptcy like venezuela is going through or from an economic standpoint where the international monetary fund is warning us that venezuela's inflation rate this year is going to be -- approximate 2,200%. that means a gallon of milk that cost $2 this year will cost $44 next year, is going to cost $900 two years from now. that's what happens when you have a collapse of an economy caused by the kind of spending out-of-control spending that you're seeing in washington, d.c. so we've got to get it under control before the united states goes through the same thing you're seeing right now in
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venezuela. >> congressman mo brooks of alabama, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> we will be right back after a quick break. ew job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com.
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a new pew polls shows 65% of americans believe within 50 years robots will do much of the work currently done by humans. for more on this, i want to bring in christopher mathews a reporter with axis. this stuff is scary when you start digging into it. treasury secretary steve mnuchin
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said robots taking human jobs will not be a concern for 50 to 100 years and the former secretary treasury larry summers basically refuted him and wrote the comment about the lack of impact on technology on jobs is to economics approximately what global climate change denial is to adatmospheric science or creation to biology. saying no no, no, they're coming. what do you know? are they coming for us? >> there's a new study released yesterday that said between 1990 and 2015, there were several hundred thousand jobs lost directly due to robotics and automation and the pace of that is supposed to grow exponentially from here. >> and according to data cited in your art article average rates of automation are higher in europe than the united states? >> i think the reason for that is probably because labor costs are higher, higher minimum wages and it's cost effective for them to invest. >> robots are cheaper over there. >> yeah. >> what are we talking about?
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what kinds of jobs? i mean -- >> so the definition -- >> hesitate to say robot anchors. >> i don't think we're there yet. the definition of robots in this paper, it's machines that can run auto matted and can be reprogrammed to do different tests. we're seeing that in car manufacturing other heavy-duty manufacturing and -- which is why maybe we're seeing when ford announced investment they're investing billions of dollars but not laiden to a ton of jobs. >> elon musk has a scary piece in "vanity fair" about robots being the end of all of us. it's a brave new world out there. >> interesting stuff. >> christopher, thanks so much. >> thanks a lot. >> christopher mathews. that closes out this hour for me. up next my colleague steve kornacki. >> good afternoon. live here in new york, day 68 of the first 100 days. topping our agenda right now, sally yates. >> i hope she testifies. i look forward

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