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how does this administration try to revamp its image? two and a half months in you have got this yates story today. you have got other things going on. you have got russia. you have got wiretapping. >> no, we don't have that. you -- i know. >> on capitol hill. >> i get it, but you keep -- i have said it from the day that i got here until whenever that there is no connection. you have got russia. if the president puts russian salad dressing on his salad tonight somehow that's a russian connection. >> welcome back to the 11th hour, sean spicer got increasingly hostile with reporters in the briefing room today. hear a bit more of the back and forth with april ryan there of american urban radio networks. >> at some point report the facts. the facts is every person who has been briefed on this has come away with this solution. republican, democratic i'm sorry if that disgusts you, you are
shaking your he had had. understand, this at some point the facts are what they are. and every single person who has been briefed on this situation with respect to the situation with russia, republican, democrat, obama appointee, career, have all come to the same conclusion. at some point, april, you are going to have to take no for an answer with respect to whether or not there was collusion. it seems like you are hell bep on trying to make sure that whatever image you want to tell about this white house stays because at the ends of the day. >> i am just reporting for -- >> you are asking me a question and i'm going to answer it. which is the president -- i'm sorry. please stop shaking your head again. >> there was plenty of reaction to that. maggie haberman of the "new york times" side on twitter, quote, stop shaking your head again april ryan, who is a grown woman, for her part, april ryan simply replied lord. michael, briana and charlie back
with me. michael, you are in washington, you should have to bear an undue portion of this. i'm looking at the associated press. they don't do this often but they put out an advisory, ap fact check. spicer says case closed on russia. it's not. they point out fbi investigation, two committees investigating it. you don't see this type of thing. on top of today's performance, talk about spicer's credibility right now. >> well brian, it's -- it's selling pretty cheap right now. i mean, look, he just seems to speak for pure -- it's kind of brut force effect. you know, he has this wonderful tactic where a reporter starts asking a question and he jumps on the reporter midway and when the reporter tries to regain the floor to finish their question he says hold on, hold on, hold on, as though he was the one who had started out saying something of it's kinds of a brut force,
really slightly bullying tactic that he uses. and substantively he really doesn't seem to care that much about the veracity of a lot of what he's sachlg it's just paidently ridiculous to say that the press corps has russia and the white house doesn't have russia and that it's about salad dressing when james comey, the director of the fbi, testifies that there is an investigation into the question of possible coordination between the trump campaign and the kremlin. i mean that's an astonishingly serious major world historical thing. >> one week ago. >> and spicer is pretending it is a problem that april ryan has. >> only charlie and i are old enough to remember ron ziegler, the scene were where nixon turns around and shoves his press secretary by the shoulders. nice to see you guys getting along. it's feeling like that era. >> that was a kindser and gentler era.
>> i guess so. >> he could play himself on "saturday night live" he has become a caricature of himself. understand why he is doing what he is doing, keep in mind sean haas spicer has an audience of one. >> audience of one. >> he is playing to donald trump, doing exactly what his master wants him to do. the kpativeness, willingness to engage and interrupt the reporters. what he wants to do is go back after the briefings and have the president say that was great, you need to smash them in the face, you need to be more aggressive. right now i don't think sean spicer evaluates himself on whether or not he is credible whether or not he has advanced the nation's understanding of what is going on, what he wants to do is make his boss happy. >> sean watches the programs, reads what has been written about him. it's if he is venting a of the the press corps because obviously he can't vent or second-guess the president. i have eaten russian food by entire life, it's never
accompanied by russian dressing. may nase -- i speak russia, i was born in bore dole have a, i know a lot about russians. i know many russians, i have eaten russian dishes, none of them have been topped with russian dressing. >> suspect this about never let them see you sweat. they are trying to let the nation know it isn't getting under their skin. it doesn't inspire confidence and does not do what he wants to have happen which is to go away. these kinds of incidents ratchet it up more. >> you know i like to invoke the shiny object rule. which means there is a distraction in the air to keep us away from the story. today the russia argument kept us away from a serious story at the e.p.a. the president's signing ceremony today. and this deserves more unanimous a mention by us tonight. but what he signed today,
executive order that nullifies obama's climate change efforts and revives the coal industry. another note about that in a moment. but the u.s. will not meet obama co 2 guidelines quote turning denials of climate change into national policy this. network pointed out all day the coal industry employs roughly 70,000 individuals right now. hard to ramp that up in a way given the fuel source. but this was real substantive news for our children and our children's children today at e.p.a. >> sure, brian. i mean, there is nothing more important than the fate of the climate and the planet. and it is the case for better and worse i guess from the trump administration that this russia story is clouding everything else out. i mean, i think trump is doing some things that are not popular nationally that are not getting the attention that they would. they might be generating more
outrage. of course it's also blocking out parts of his agenda he wants to showcase. beyond the way this kind of defies the science of climate change that has been well established it also further isolates the united states. we are now an outlier on one more issue amongst our allies, amongst the industrialized and western world. and really, this subject deserves -- i'm grad you brought it up, brian, because it deserves more prominence than it's getting partly because of the antics around the russia investigation. >> charlie and beiana, let me show you something else that deserves more mention, we could put this in our opening segment every night and not air it enough. this is steve bannon from cpac about the goals while in office. >> the third, broadly, line of work is what is dekruk of the ed a -- deconstruction of the administrative state. if you look at the cabinet apointedees they were selected
for a reason, that is deconstruction, the pay the progressive left runs. if they can't get it passed they are going to put it in some sort of regulation in an agency. that's all going to be deconstructed. >> what does that mean to both or either of you? deconstruction. >> they are going to be doing this. they are going to be rolling back the administrative state. and i have to say, look, the concerns about climate change are legitimate, but there is concerns about the jobs and about the economy are also legitimate. remember when president obama said his plan for cap and trade would cause electricity rates to skyrocket. couldn't get it through so he did it by executive order. in wisconsin 60% of our electricity is generated by coal powered plants. this rule was like a dagger aimed at the heart of the manufacturing base of the state, the state public service commission estimated this rule could cost rate payers, people who pay electricity bills as much as $13 billion. so this is part of the balancing act here, that, yes, we can care
about the planet, but don't be indifferent to what this means to middle class blue collar people, and average middle americans who are going to have to pay very substantially higher electricity rates. >> i understand why a lot of these americans voted for donald trump. he rchted them. talked about bringing their jobs back. he didn't demean them as far as being a part or associated with a, quote, unquote, bad industry they were going to take out of business. having said that he's going to have to be the one that says according to all economists i'm not going to be able to bring back all those jobs because for the most part we have become more energy dependent. this is not clean fuel and we are moving into a more globalized world where coal jobs are not just coming back. and automation is a big part of that. >> we are not going to run american factories on solar and win turbines. >> beiana was a winner of the gracie award for her work.
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and possible ties to russia. >> it was manafort. >> paul snoofrtd paul manafort. >> reporter: long before he was president trump's campaign chairman, paul manafort was paid millions by a russian billionaire with close ties to vladimir putin. according to one report, secretly promising to greatly benefit the putin government by influencing politics and media coverage. now nbc news has learned that u.s. treasury officials are following the money trail manafort left behind. it led them and us to a small island in the mediterranean. to find out more we came here to cypress to a city which has a reputation for its beaches and as a hub for money laundering. the city has attracted so many russians in fact it has been dubbed with a russian name. this is where some of the money manafort got from the russian tycoon went. banking sources with directed knowledge of the transactions tell nbc news at least 15 accounts were opened here for more than ten companies. all linked to manafort.
the sources say in one case a million dollars landed in one of these accounts and left it on the same day. >> movements of large amounts of money very quickly in and out of accounts is very similar to what money launderers do. >> reporter: and there was a lot of money involved, including $18.9 million to buy a ukrainian media company for this man, who according to wikileaks state department officials described as one of two to three oligarchs putin turns to on a regular basis. documents from a legal action show that some of that money weapon to a mftd-linked company in cypress. today that man took outan ad in national newspapers denying the "associated press" report that he hired manafort to help the putin government, calling it fake news. but eventually, even in cypress, mftd's accounts raise suspicions. in 2012, the internal auditing
system at laiki bank flagged some accounts for possible money laundering according to banking sources who also said when the bank asked for more information manafort chose to close the accounts without answering the questions. late today a spokesman for paul manafort sent us a statement saying all manafort's companies were legitimate entities and established for lawful ends adding mr. manafort has no specific personal wreck of the shutdown of his cypress accounts which he says took place during a banking crisis on the island. he has repeatedly denied working for the russian government. brian? >> other than the manafort name, his former position with trump, all the attention this has been getting in this season of investigations, why is all this unusual and getting so much attention specifically? >> well, frankly, brian, it's been a little bit hard to follow because there have been so many reports and so much information coming out not just about paul
manafort but about so many others linked to the trump administration and allegedly tied to russia. but you have to look at the sequence of events and look at the chronology. 2005, according to an ap report, this is this memo from manafort. we talked about that in the story. allegedly in this memo in 2005, manafort promises to work to benefit the putin government. then, after that, he starts a business relationship, and manafort says it was nothing wrong, nothing improper with this business relationship with oleg. first you have the memo which manafort says he can verify and which olg today completely rejected. then you have this business relationship that starts. and while this business relationship is happening you have all of these business connections in cypress that are now getting a lot of attention. so you have to look at the sequence of events. what was the -- what was the basis for their relationship?
what promises were made? and then how were these business transactions actually taking place? and where they were taking place. and that's why this cypress piece comes in. >> our chief finance correspond end richard engle chasing down this branch this story tonight in our london bureau. richard, thank you as always. >> absolutely brian. coming up, forgive yourself for anything health care reform is dead. the president tonight has revealed new prognosis. charlie sykes will be our interpreter when "the 11th hour" continues.
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that was part of his message. charlie sykes, he is going to be easy? >> and quick. >> where is that coming from? >> from donald trump's imagination. the salesman. i actually think though probably over the weekend he realizeland it was not good for his brand when he basically said okay yeah after 18 days we are done i give up. on another topic we saw the president and everyone is learning how much words even spoken casually matter. we saw the president's need to add a superlative to something else. >> we are doing very well in iraq. our soldiers are fighting like never before and the results are very good. i wanted to let everyone know. >> to which people said fighting
like never before. never before is the iraq war and 170,000 of them during the surge. we have about 5 grand there serving valiantly and serving to volunteer for their country. >> odd thing to say particularly given the rhetoric that donald trump has deployed against george w. bush and the iraq surge saying george w. bush should be impeached for what he did. i guess it would be ironic to say what is going on now is the fight. there are a lot of courageous men and women doing marvelous work there. >> are we overlitigating? >> you know what, the point is that at some point we will say whatever, we give up. likely to roll over on our backs. there is that point of exhaustion how do you keep up with this on a daily basis? when you said we are on day 68.
it feels like day 680. we are overlitigating but we are in a strange world where what is the alternative? to just let it roll off and not correct him and not care about the untruths? >> thank you as always. pleasure to have you. another break for us. when we come back did someone mention melisza mccartha? she is the count down that stands at 45 days when we continue.
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the travel ban is not a ban which makes it not a ban. >> you called it a ban. >> i'm using your words. you said ban. >> the president tweeted and i quote if the ban were announced with a one week notice. >> exactly. you just said that. he is quoting you. it is your words. he is using your words when you use the words he uses them back. >> resetback to rel life. easily the most replayed moment from today's white house briefing on the subject of russia, sean spicer went there and invoked a condiment. >> if the president puts russian salad dressing on his salad tonight somehow that is a russian connection. >> might be careful on the subject of dressing. in 45 days melissa mccarthy will
host "snl." she has taken on the topic of dressing before playing focus group food taster. >> this is way too spicy for me. >> i could eat a whole bottle. >> i could eat a whole bottle, too. >> okay. just stop it. >> this is awesome. >> i will give you $50 just to leave. >> deal. can we make it 30? because i'm going to need just a little more of this good stuff.
>> go ahead, please. >> that's still good. fantastic. >> she will join the five timers club when she hosted "snl" may 13 presumably given her five timers honorary club jacket. that is it for our broadcast tonight. for all of us here thank you for being with us. good night from new york. the other happened in washington that is not a criminal matter but may end up being a criminal matter. in terms of understanding the importance of these stories that broke today i want to go back