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and good for the men for sticking up for the women here. there's a lot of opportunity for professional men hockey players to make money around the world. not as many opportunities for women there. on usa hockey, why not make sure they are at least on equal footing there. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow. "for the record with greta" and her big lindsey graham interview starts right now. greta. >> thank you, chuck. house intel chairman nunes under fire and it's getting hotter and hotter and hotter. but the senate intelligence committee is making news today on its russia probe. >> we have devoted seven professional staff positions to this investigation. to date, we have made 20 requests for individuals to be interviewed by the committee. as we stand here today, five are alady scheduled on the books. e only individual who's publ been identified to date is jared kushner. the committee will conduct an
interview with mr. kushner when the committee decides that it's time for us to set a date because we know exactly the scope of what needs to be asked. >> and the committedy leaders vowing to work together and let the facts lead the investigation. >> having served as an advisor on the trump campaign, can you say hand over heart that you can oversee an impartial and serious -- >> absolutely. i'll do something i've never done. i'll admit that i voted for him. we always hide who we vote for, that's parted of the democratic process. but i've got a job in the united states senate, and i take that job extremely serious. it overrides any personal beliefs that i have or loyalties that i have. >> i have confidence in richard burr that we together with the members of our committee will get to the bottom of this. >> but the house investigation a tad bit different, real different. more scrutiny on chairman nunes, a topic the senate leaders punted on.
>> we'll answer anything about the senate intelligence committee's investigation. we will not take questions on the house intelligence committee. we would refer those to the house intelligence committee. >> now every single democratic member of the house intelligence committee is calling on the chairman nunes to step down today. he says no chance. >> no, they have done very little to even look through the documents that the intelligence agencies have provided. so i think at the end of the day here, we're going to get to the truth and we'll finding out who's actually doing a real investigation and you'll find out that we are very much doing an investigation and have been for a long time. >> are you worried about being able to work with mr. schiff? >> we're always concerned about this. we always wanting to keep the committee bipartisan, but at the end of the day, we're going to do an investigation with or without them. and if they want to participate, that's fine. we don't even know who their witnesses is that they want to call, so i would encourage you guys to go and start to follow them around and figure out who they want to bring in and interview.
>> and then there's this. just moments ago reporters caught up with chairman nunes again. >> who at the white house gave you access to the intel? >> guys, there's nothing -- there's nothing here. appreciate the attention, though. thank you. >> did the white house know -- did the white house know about the intel before you briefed them on it? >> thank you, guys. i've answered all the questions over and over again. probably the following week. >> were they involving trump associates? >> we're not going to get into the witness list at this point. it depends who wants to come freely. some people volunteer to come freely so obviously we'll do interviews with those folks. yeah, we're looking forward to getting the information. >> how are you doing this with the committee democrats calling for your recan you feel. how are you moving forward? >> we'll continue to work through this. i think there will be active participants will be by guess. thank you. >> with me congresswoman jackie spear, democrat from the great
state of california who serves on the house intelligence committee. and she is calling for chairman nunes to resign as chairn of the committee. nice to see you. >> great to see you, greta. >> some say thaert he should recuse himself as the chairman. you want him to step down from the committee. >> i think it is very hard when he has put in place all of those staff members of the committee and then we're going to have a separate chair for the investigation into the russia connection and we're going to have two chairs operating down there. i finding it really complex and i don't think it can happen. >> when you go to the substantive aspect of it, does it play into any of the events of the last week? the fact that he got this call and he goes to the white house. he won't tell the source and then he has a press conference the next day. then he runs down and talks to the president, then he has another press conference and now he won't tell us any of this. >> so at first you've got to begin to wonder if the house intelligence committee is an oxymoron now. >> you saw what the senators
did. they didn't even want to talk about it. >> i know. >> they were like house what? we don't know anybody on the house side. who? >> you know, the crumbs were laid last week when the president said there will be something coming out in the committee next week. this in my mind was orchestrated by the white house and nunes was part of the deal from the beginning. >> prior to two weeks ago, you worked with him, right? >> yes. that's what's so interesting. >> what's he like? >> he was easy to work with. it was a bipartisan committee. it's like drz a dr. jekyll/mr. hyde that has taken place here. he is different. he has become pugnacious and silent and surrepticis and all of a sudden we're reading about it in the press. >> i don't get a sense that he's consulting with other republicans on the committee either. i see the divide between the
republicans and democrats, but i don't have a sense talking to republican members that he's telling them any of this information. >> well, the one thing we know is that after we had the hearing and the bombshell was let out by director comey. >> which was? >> which was not only were they investigating the relationship of russia and their intervention in our electoral process, they were looking at the coordination that might have been going on between the trump campaign operatives and the russians. that was a huge bombshell. and after that hearing when the democrats were all developing the links with russia within the trump orbit and all of the republicans were talking about leaks, they then, i think, decided at that point they were not going to have the next committee hearing that was supposed to be public. >> are you saying all the republicans or nunes? >> no, the republicans met together. >> so you think they're all in this secrecy kabal for lack of a better word? >> i think they have circled the wagons. they're all going to defend devin for the near term.
they're hooked to his star right now, or lack thereof. >> he's getting barbecued. i'm sewery sympathetic to people getting barbecued, i feel sorry for the underdog, but he could ending this. this is self-inflicted wound. he's the one that's put all this sinister, sneaky, mysteries, wrapped this all in this mystery. so he could end all of this and ju tell us. >> but he hasn't, and i don't think he intends to. and i think the republicans think that they can just weather the storm. we're going on recess for two weeks and by the time we return, he'll be able to just resume his activities. i don't think it's going away. certainly the people that are calling my office are not pleased with what's going on. >> when was the last time you spoke to him? >> well, at the hearing. >> and he is friendly, nice, everything? >> yes. >> congresswoman, nice to see you. nice to see you. >> thank you, greta. the house investigation into russia was once again a big part of the white house press briefing. spokesperson sean spicer faced a
barrage of new questions about chairman devin nunes. >> one of the reasons there's this question about chairman nunes is he hasn't told his own committee members what he knows, how he learned about it and what the substantive importance of that is. so we are also curious about that. and among the things that might be -- or might shed light about that is how he got here, who he met with and what he learned. >> i understand. those are questions for him. >> the members of the very committee themselves say they don't know. >> fair enough. >> what was being skugsd. how is the process going forward? >> the answer to that question is that's a question for chairman nunes. how he conducts himself with his members, when and where he shares things, et cetera, are issues for him and the committee and the house of representatives, not for us. >> eugene robinson is a columnist for "the washington post" and howard fineman from ""the huffington post."
>> nunes? what nunes? he's the guy who was on the white house ground the other day looking at top secret information, courtesy of someone, we don't know who. >> they're treating him like a fence jumper. >> you can't jump the fence at this point. you have to be escorted in by somebody. you have to be validated by somebody to get into the white house. even a congressman can't just waltz onto the white house grounds to go to a secret place to look at secret documents. so somewhere there's a record of who it was who asked the guy who come in. the problem that nunes has is the problem that gene and i have seen and you have seen in washington forever. it's probably not whatever the original russia story was about what paul manafort or the others were doing. i don't think looking at the evidence that it's about donald trump's campaign directly coordinating with the russians. it's about what the white house and its fellow travelers do to slow down or try to stop an investigation. and you put nunes right in that
narrative right now. >> i'm telling you, it's not fair to guess and to be suspicious, but he's put us in that position. when i looked -- when i dissected what he said, he said that someone was unmasked who was on the transition team. so the first thing i thought, well, guess who was on the transition team? he was, he was, he was. but was it something that he said and he doesn't want us to know about it? i don't know. >> well, that's the question. one of 20 questions we could sit here and ask about this, right? but that's like one of the first questions. is there going to be a house investigation or not basically? >> you saw what the senate thinks about the house. >> exactly. at this point you have to say not, because whatever he does at this point has no credibility. >> do you even want a house investigation at this point? you've got the senate investigating it and we had two adults coming out today, right? >> they sounded like total adults. >> total adults. >> and meanwhile you have the real investigation going on with the fbi, right, which as you
know has -- you know, they have -- they're a bit more serious about this. if you don't think they act adult, ask the people that they're hauling in to question. >> i think the adults, if there are any in washington, and that's always an open question, have decided that the house investigation is hopelessly corrupted, because nunes going over to the white house looking at the stuff and then telling donald trump about it. that's not an independent investigation. >> and not telling us. >> and not telling his own people. >> not telling the committee. >> so it's not bipartisan. so the senate, which may be in the process, by the way, of getting rid of the most characteristic senate procedure of all time, which is the filibuster -- >> which harry reid did. in all fairness -- >> totally. which harry reid began the slippery slope of that, i agree. but the senate still wants to preserve the idea that the senate is the independent cooling saucer and deliberative body of american politics. and if they give up the filibuster, they're going to say
that burr and warner, two southern paragons of deliberativeness, are going to actually do a thorough investigation. and there's some competition between the house and the senate here. the house has been turned into a hopelessly parliamentary operation where nobody in the minority has any authority whatsoever. if you're going to reserve -- preserve any bipartisanship in washington, any independent assessment of the idea that facts exist, that's at least for now what burr and warner are saying and that's powerful. >> eugene, it's become so weird in this whole thing, this whole thing with nunes, and so it's so -- it's easy for me to roll my eyes, but this is fund mently extremely serious. extremely serious we get to the bottom of all of this, and the world is watching. >> exactly, the world is watching. serious questions have been asked and they need to be answered. as howard said, there's no grievous underlying crime
here -- >> well, it's not necessarily related to the white house directly. >> but we don't know. >> we don't know, we don't know. >> we don't know. >> i think it's -- you know what, i don't think this is fair to the american people that they played -- that they game us like this. i don't think that's fair. >> it's not fair to the american people. i hate making this comparison, but it's actually apt in this occasion. it's the watergate comparison. it was about something that happened in the 1972 campaign. and ultimately it was about the cover-up. >> it wasn't the crime. that is -- if you're going to ascribe -- greta, if you're going to inscribe in marble, it's not the crime, but the cover-up. the other thing i would say is this is not an atlantic city gambling license hearing. okay? this is big stuff involving the highest level of potential corruption of the american political system by a foreign country. you've got to take it seriously. >> and to all of you watching from atlantic city and you think it's real important, howard
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judge gorsuch, we believe, does not belong on the bench. if judge gorsuch fails to earn 60 votes and fails to demonstrate he is maiea enough to sit on the highest court, we should change the nominee, not the rules. >> the only reason he may not get there with 60 votes is because of the political fear that dominates that building. >> well, buckle up. the russia controversy is not the only fight we are watching. 30 democrats now saying they will block the vote for president trump's supreme court pick, judge neil gorsuch, when he comes up for a vote next week. in response, republicans firing back, warning democrats they will take a page out of harry reid's playbook and may change senate rules using the so-called nuclear option and scrapping senate tradition and approving a nominee with a simple majority. that would be 51 votes.
democratic senator joe manchin has not said how he will vote but he does have a message for republicans. >> we need to come together as a body and save the country, save the bodies we can with the 60-vote cloture rule. if republicans take off i'm going to do the nuclear option because harry reid did it. harry reid was wrong. >> with me senator lindsey graham, republican from south carolina. nice to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> we're going to have a fight next week, aren't we? >> looks like it. >> and it's sort of interesting. all these democrats have said they're going to vote no for the supreme court for judge gorsuch. >> right. >> but in 2006 when he was put on the federal court for the tenth circuit, a lot of these democrats, including chuck schumer, voted yes. so what happened between then and now? >> well, he's had ten and a half of being a judge and from what i can tell is he's been a good judge. the american bar association, which is a pretty independent organization, gave him the highest rating you could
reive. a 900-page report, you can read it if you'd like, they interviewed 500 lawyers, clerks, people who know judge gorsuch who say he was one of the most outstanding judges in the country. he is reasonable, he is mainstream, he's conservative and i think a home run pick by president trump. >> the supreme court says that you're supposed to provide to the president advice and consent. >> right. >> what does that mean? >> i think it used to mean that scalia got 98 votes. >> that's interesting because judge gorsuch is probably farther to the left. >> he's certainly no more conservative than scalia. >> how much for ginsburg on the left? >> strom thurmond voted for ginsburg. i voted for sotomayor and kagan, why? i thought they were qualified. i didn't vote for president obama or president trump. but when it comes to the election, once it's over, i think my advice and consent should be given not because i would have chosen somebody different, because they're
qualified. when you look at the hamilton papers about this, he says the role of the senate is to knock out the unqualified, favoritism, somebody would favor one state over another, a special relationship to the president, some family member, not to substitute your judgment for that of the president and not to substitute your philosophy for that of the nominee. that's my view. >> it's what some amusement that senator harry reid invoked the nuclear option for appeals court judges and for trial court judges, allowing for just 51 votes instead of the 60 to cut it off. and now it looks like is that going to happen with the supreme court? >> it looks like we're headed that way. see, i was in the gang of 14 back in 2003, i can't remember when it was. the first bush term they wholesale filibustered almost all of his judial nominees. we came up with a gang of 14 that sd when it came to the pre court and judicial nominees, there would be no filibuster unless there were extraordinary circumstances.
that held until 2013 when harry reid changed the rules for circuit court and below. and now here we are. all i'm saying -- >> it's called the shoe's on the other foot. >> sotomayor and kagan got cloture. i can't believe gorsuch is less qualified than they are. >> who did you vote for? >> evan mcmullen and i wouldn't know him if he walked in the room. you presided over a hearing today on russian efforts to undermine democracy. a putin critic testified about having survived two attempted poisonings apparently at the hands of the kremlin. >> doctors estimated the chance to survive at about 5%. and both times, the reason for this poisoning was named as undefined toxin. >> why did you have this hearing? >> well, i wanted to make a case that russia should be punished for what they did in our election as well as what they're doing in their own country, the putin regime, not the russian people. this man is an anti-corruption
disdenting inside of russia. he's been poisoned, near death twice. there's a list of a dozen people who died mysterious deaths that oppose putin. the judiciary is a joke. he's trying to break the back of democrieroughout the entire region and now france and germany. he interfered in our elections. to my republican colleagues, it's democrats today, it could be us tomorrow. i want sanctions against the putin regime for what he's done all over the world, including his own backyard. >> what do you make of this whole nunes controversy? >> it's a mess. tray gowdy had a good suggestion to schiff. give us the witnesses you want to interview and let's interview them. i don't like what nunes did going down to the white house, seeing something nobody else saw. i think that's a breach of trust. he's got to repair the damage. i don't know if he can or not. burr and warner today were very reassuring to me. i'm working with the white house and leahy. we just had a hearing about
russia. >> why do you think nunes did that? >> i really don't know. the pressure, maybe he thought he should go down -- >> why isn't he explaining? the reason we're talking is because he won't end it. >> the best thing for the house to do is see if they can get an agreement with their democratic colleagues to call witnesses. >> he canceled the hearing with the clapper, yates and brennan. >> well, a public hearing may have should have been canceled, but behind closed doors is probably the way to do this. the bottom line is restart the process. >> you think he can restart this? do you think chairman nunes can have -- can regain credibility? >> we'll see, i don't know. whaerkd do in my view is tell everybody who he met with and what he saw. he doesn't have to tell you on tv but tell his colleagues, republican and democrat. here's who i met with and here's what i saw. >> why wouldn't he do that? >> i don't know. >> don't you think that's odd? >> that is odd. so trey gowdy i think has the right approach to try to restart
if you can. give us some witnesses you think are relevant to what happened with russia and the trump campaign and let's start interviewing them. i don't know if they can repair the damage or not. i'm pleased where the senate is at. if there are ties between the trump campaign and russia, the fbi is looking at that. do it without political interference. the russians interfered in our election. it wasn't some 400-pound guy on the bed. when it comes to trump, he is the president. he won the election. i want the investigation to go wherever it needs to go. the reason i am supporting gorsuch, i think he's an outstanding choice. all i'm asking democrats to do is respect president trump's choice like i respected president obama's choice by voting for cloture and passage of sotomayor and kagan. so i don't want to set the election aside. there's no reason to invalidate this election. but there is a reason to investigate what russia did. >> and we have all these investigations going on, including comey's with the fbi. >> that's what i want to make sure we don't cross over into.
the fbi is looking at a counterintelligence maybe criminal investigation. i want to steer clear of those guys. i don't want any politician to interfere with the fbi's ability to look at what trump operatives may have done with russia. i don't know if there's any evidence at all, but i want the fbi to look at it. >> did you see the story where it said that general flynn met with turkish representatives and there was some conversation, woo woolsey was there -- >> about kidnapping the guy? >> the guy inladelphia or pennsylvania? >> i don't think you could sell this as a book or movie. when you get really confused, go back to the basics. burr and warner have a process where they're going to call witnesses, most of them behind closed doors, which it probably should be, and i hope the house can get back into the process of actually collecting evidence rather than finger pointing. what nunes did was wrong, but schiff and some of his friends turn into prosecutors every time they're on tv. they give a damning indictment of circumstantial evidence linking the trump campaign to russia. at the end of the day i don't
think that's appropriate either. >> senator, nice to see you. hope you come back. i'll see you next week. nice to see you. ahead, what the nbc investigative unit is learning about the house intel chair's white house visit. who let him inside, who did he speak to and who gave him information? also democrats accuse the trump administration of trying to sabotage obamacare. that's ahead. americans - 83% try to eat healthy. yet up 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day women's
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tomorrow the senate intelligence committee holds its first public hearing but on the house side there are still more questions than answers. who did chairman devin nunes meet with at the white house? how did he get there? who let him in? the white house didn't offer any answers. >> do you have any information to live up to the commitment you made here on monday to provide more details about how that happened? in the process you just told us that, again, is above board and totally appropriate? >> i don't have anything for you on that at this time. but again, i don't --
>> have you looked into it? >> i have asked some preliminary questions. i have not gotten answers yet. the fascination is with what door did he come in, who did he meet with. as opposed to what i think it should be and ironically it's not when the shoe is on the other foot. what's the substance. >> with be ken delaney and robert dietz, former senior counselor to the cia director and former general counsel at the nsa. ken, first to you, do you have any information, any idea who he met with, why he met there, who let him in? do you have any more information tonight? >> we have some suspects, greta, but nothing we're ready to report on the air tonight. what's important to understand, though, is that nunes says he went to the old -- the eisenhower executive office building, which is a stately old building in the white house complex to the west of the white house itself, to a secure room. now, he's sort of portraying this like he got this from a source like meeting deep throat in the parking garage but there
are limited numb of people that have access to a secure room to view classified information at the white house. former white house officials have told us that any white house official could learn in five minutes who signed nunes into the white house. so it's absurd that the white house is suggesting that somehow this is difficult information to come by. in fact that used to be public information under the obama administration. thus far it has not been public under the trump administration. so we don't know where he got the information, but there's a limited number of people who are cleared to see this intelligence. after all, this is about intercepts, sensitive, highly classified intelligence. the bottom line is this thing has really blown up the house investigation and he's lost the confidence of democrats, greta. >> bob, what do you make of this? i just look at this and i just -- i don't know what to think. >> yeah, i share your view. and i agree, by the way, with ken's point. it's not as if anybody can wander into the old executive office building and then check people in, so clearly this is a knowable issue. i am really puzzled by it.
i was particularly puzzled by congressman nunes going down to the white house to kind of brief the president, i suppose. the problem, of course, is it tends to undermine the credibility and independence of a hill hearing and i think that's really unfortunate. >> what could be the find of information? in looking at it, you've been inside at the cia, at the nsa, what is the universe of possibilities that this could be? >> well, i've given that a little thought. i don't have any magic answers. it could be explaining how, if this is true, how people close to president trump and the campaign, how they might have been picked up had they been communicating with foreign folks. >> and what would be so secret about that? >> well, as you know, under executive order 12111, minimumization, in other words taking out u.s. person identities is standard operating procedure and it obligatory. it can be broken in two
circumstances. one is if there's evidence of a crime and, b, for some reason you need that identity to make sense of the foreign intelligence. it could be that whatever topic was addressed by the foreign person, say a russian, that president trump was told that. >> ken, are people frustrated within the intelligence community on this? what's sort of the thought on this whole drama as it's unfolding? >> well, they're just mystified by what nunes did. you know, as bob knows better than anybody, incidental collection, particularly if it's foreigner to foreigner surveillance where that is about americans, that happens every day. i mean the nsa is listening to foreign embassies, they're communicating back to their capitals. this was during the transition -- >> so why would this be such a -- so why would nunes want to even hide this? you could -- you could mask some of the thing and just give us a little more information and call off the dogs? >> well, exactly. and he back tracked, don't forget. at first nunes said trump and
his aides had been monitored and then he said, no, it might have just been communications about them. look, the theory by democrats is this was all just a ruse to give trump some cover for his bogus wiretapping claim so that he could say, see, there was surveillance in trump tower. this is the evidence of it. and the best -- the best evidence of that, i guess, is that donald trump didn't need devin nunes to give him this information. he runs the executive branch. just order every surveillance report put on his desk that has his name or names of his aides. >> this does not vindicate him. >> exactly. >> gentlemen, thank you. the mystery goes on. thank you, both. new tonight, president trump's daughter, ivanka, and something that hasn't happened since the eisenhower administration. you thought health care was off the agenda? what steve bannon is doing behind the scenes.
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arrival. >> what will you do? >> as i said, we're committed to making certain that every american has access to affordable -- >> so you will continue to do the advertising? >> we're committed to making certain that -- >> you'll do advertising? >> i wouldn't commit to any specific entity. >> okay. >> well, the white house is turning its focus back to health care in a push led by chief strategist steve bannon. last night the president was very confident. >> i know that we're all going to make a deal on health care. that's such an easy one, so i have no doubt that that's going to happen very quickly. i think it will actually, i think it's going to happen, because we've all been promising, democrat, republican, we've all been promising that to the american people. so i think a lot of good things are going to happen there. >> karen tumulty is from "the water pos-- washington post" an jonathan. >> sean spicer today at the white house briefing was saying he was being facetious when he
said that. >> oh, good. >> but obviously if they're serious about restarting this, it's going to have to be in a totally different way. it's -- i think what everyone learned is that you can't rush this, that you have to sort of sell it in the country and explain to the country exactly what you're trying to achieve here. and so however they go about this, it's not going to be another, what, 18-day deal. >> you know, i sort of think this is the polly anna in me, it might be a good thing because now the republicans and the democrats may work together. the democrats don't want it to fail and they don't want that hung around their neck as obamacare failing and collapsing and the republicans -- you think i'm nuts. >> yeah, i do. >> all right. i'm trying to find some good tonight for all of us. i'm trying to make the viewers at home feel good. >> i had lunch with nancy ploety yesterday and i did not get that vibe. >> who picked up the bill? >> well, her office.
it was sandwiches for a bunch of propertie reporters. >> i was just kidding. so where are we on this? so leader pelosi says no? >> here's the thing. the situation hasn't changed since a week ago. the moderates and the conservatives still don't agree on anything really. and the notion that steve bannon is sort of with a cape on coming in to fix this, i mean all he's doing, and he's told associates of his this, is clearing some space so that moderates and conservatives can talk to each other without the white house and leadership interfering too much. he's certainly not working on this in some sort of pivotal, save the day way. and there's no timeline. there's no timeline for fixing this. there needs to be a cooling off period. there was a report today there was going to be legislative moves next week. i texted a bunch of people in leadership and they were all like well, that's news to me. >> so finished, karen? it's finished? >> i don't think we're going see anything any time soon. we'll know that they're serious about it when they start bring
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>> the direction the prime minister is threatening to take this country in is both reckless and damaging. and labor will not give this government a free hand to use brexit to attack rights, protections and cut services. >> well, that passionate debate today in parliament about brexit. the uk is leaving the european union. it's going to be a divorce. today one ofbritain's top diplomats ndelivering the letter to officially trigger the british withdrawal. many see parallels between brexit and our 2016 election. a comparison embraced by canada and then president trump. >> the brexit deal, i think when you talk about leave, you know, i felt it was going to happen. there is great similarities between what happened here and my campaign. you're taking your country back. europe, like the united states, has made tremendous mistakes over the last period of time. >> call me mr. brexit. >> brexit was an example of what was to come.
i said brexit is going to happen. i think brexit is going to be a wonderful thing for your country. it will ending up being a fantc thing for the united kingdom. >> with me, tina brown. nice to see you, tina. >> good to see you too, greta. >> tina, is what's going on with brexit in london akin to the populist movement that led to the election of president trump? >> well, there are definitely similarities to that but i would say the similarities now are more to what's just happened with the health care bill. we have trump saying it's going to be wonder. ful -- wonderful, it's going to be great. it's going to be about as great as the republicans health care bill. it's so much easier to shout repeal and replace, which is what happened with brexit. boris johnson, one of the prime brexiteers sold a bill of goods to the british people. aidouan have free movement -- the ending of free movement of peoples, the end of
the immigration freedom, which has been very unpopular in the uk, and at the same time have access to the free market. people believed that was true. they thought they could have their cake and eat it too. the fact is you can't leave the club and swim in the pool. there's no reason why europe will accept that and they will not get access to the free market. >> that's exactly what manfred weber said, a german lawmaker. he said if you leave the eu, you lose the associated benefits. >> that's not going to change. i think for some reason there are people that think that's a negotiating point. it is not a negotiating point, it's absolutely the one thing that all 27 countries can agree on. >> and it's sort of -- i don't know if you heard -- i played for you what the president of the eu said today, sort of a bittersweet comment to the brits. here's what he said. >> what can i add to this. thank you and good-bye.
>> that was sort of sweet. we already miss you to the brits. >> yes, but it's extremely sad and extremely dangerous because britain now woenn't be a part o determining its fate when there's rising pop liz many and chaos. how does it help britain to be truly little england again. not only that, it's going to trigger another referendum in scotland because even thoug scotland did vote to stay in the union in 2014, things are going to change radically in the next two years. and when scotland finds it's going to have tariffs slapped on its whiskey, that's going to change the entire attitude of the business community and others in scotland. they just renegotiated they're marriage vows and they're going to have to re-examine them again. this is a disaster. this cannot be good. >> why did this happen? >> well, you know, the trouble is, is that very much like here, a kind of rabid, you know, unhappiness with globalism and the digital disruption, all of the things that affected
people's mind set here was the same in parts of the uk and places in the north of england which had been neglected by the torrey party who kept on cutting and cutting. david cameron, the prime minister, severely misjudged the idea he could win this vote after subjecting tremendous savage cut to the british people at the time before he won in the next election. there was a great deal of discomfort and unhappiness that wasn't being paid attention to and somehow brexit became this great battle cry. everything was the fault of brexit. immigration and, you know, the fact you couldn't get a doctor's appointment and the fact that your schooling was down, it was all blamed on brexit. many people didn't know what brexit was and the next day after it happened, they were all googling what is the european union. it was a very low information voter kind of situation. >> tina, thank you tore joining us. >> thank you. still ahead, senator bernie sanders calling for a top-down overhaul of the democratic party. this after a house clean that the former dnc debbie wasserman
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major speech since losing the election. for months, democrats have been looking in the mirror for answers, asking what needs to change. and now a big change. the new chairman of the dnc telling all staffers to hand in their resignation letters. it's just the latest shake-up for the dnc. last summer during the election, wikileaks exposed committee e-mails showing staffers appearing to side with secretary clinton over bernie sanders. that led to the chairwoman of the dnc stepping down. with me is that former dnc chair, congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, democrat from florida. first i'd like to get your reaction to senator bernie sanders, what he said today. >> clearly the democratic party needs a top-down overhaul, and that top-down overhaul means that instead of becoming dependent and being dependent on big money interest for campaign contributions, it's got to become a grassroots party. it has got to start speaking and acting and fighting for working people, for young people.
that's the kind of party i think has to -- the democrats have to create. >> it's sort of a little bit like i heard four years ago when republicans were doing an autopsy after they lost the election in 2012. but is senator bernie sanders right? does it start at the top and come down and if so, how do you do that? >> first, let me just say i'm not sure why the chair of either national political party asking for staff resignations is news because it's a pretty routine practice. it is important for each chair to be able to, you know, shuffle the footprint and make sure that they analyze their staffing needs. that's all that this was. >> what about what senator bernie sanders says. what's going on with the democratic party or what should go on? >>ry inspeespectfully to senato sanders, we are already a grassrootsparty. if we were not, we would not have been abl to bring down the absolutely abhorrent health care
repeal bill that would have knocked over 24 million peoples over ten years off of their health care, that would have increased health costs for people, increased prescription drug prices. >> so he's wrong? >> no. it's actually more like semantics. we all agree that we should be and we are a grassroots party that focuses on making sure that we can help people reach the middle class. >> i think, though, the republican party -- there are a lot of republicans who voted for donald trump who would say, the populist movement would say they're the grassroots. they're the tea party. everyone is sort of trying to hijack that term. >> actually if you look at the facts, hillary clinton won the popular vote. majority of voters that went to the polls to choose their print chose hillary clinton and our agenda. the american people overwhelmingly agree with us and they proved it again on friday when the republicans had to abandon their abhorrent health care repeal plan because it hurt millions of people, and it wasn't even something any could
stomach. >> robby mook was on this show a little while back and i asked him whether he thought secretary clinton was going to run in 2020. i actually think she's going to throw her hat back in the ring. i'm probably dead wrong. what do you think? >> i think hillary clinton is doing exactly what she should be doing, using her vy strong voice and her overwhelming popularity to help make sure we can continue to advance the dialogue -- >> but do you think she's got her eye on 2020? >> i think the last thing hillary clinton is thinking about right now is what she's doing in 2020. >> you think she doesn't have any interest in 2020? >> i think she has an interest in doing what she always has, that is to help make the world better and focus on making sure that government works to assist people in making their lives better and isn't an obstacle. >> nobody thinks she's going to run in 2020. i'm the only one that's apparently suspicious that she is. anyway, thank you very much for joining us. >> you're welcome. my pleasure. and thank you for watching.
i'll see you back here tomorrow night, 6:00 p.m. eastern. dvr if you can't watch live. follow me on twitter or check out my facebook page. i just posted a video on my facebook page about a movie i want you to see. i think you'll love it. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. trump has got a bur in his saddle. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington, today, a rare beam of hope. for the first time in months we saw a pair of grown-ups. they're looking into the role of the trump troops played in cahoots with vladimir putin's troops in manipulating the 2016 presidential election. as i said, an usual picture. today at a joint press conference for the senate kejs committee leaders richard bur and mark warner, we heard plans from them for a major set of televised hearings on the