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it's 3:00 p.m. on the east coast. i'm in for kate snow. here are the top ories. starting with the big one. when it come to the senate intelligence committee's russian investigation, no munl for michael flynn. least not yet. it is a situation getting wilder by day. a full breakdown of it in just a few moments. meanwhile, rex tillerson making his first visit to nato sure european allies who are nervous with president trump. you might remember he called nato obsolete and suggested he wouldn't protect its members against russian aggression unless they upped their military spending. the latest from brussels coming up. and any minute the president is expected to sign executive orders having to do with trade. they'll aim to find the cheaters. a week before president trump is expected to meet chinese
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president xi. more only in a minute but first, the latest surrounding the russia investigation and former national security adviser michael flynn. joining me, hans nichols, ken delaney who covers intelligence and national security, msnbc contributor michael, a former u.s. ambassador to russia, and congressman jim himes who was nice enough to stick around with us as well as mychalen with our d.c. bureau. he had national security roles in the george w. bush white house. he is now managing director at beacon global strategies. hans, let's start. but i want to talk about the press briefing. wasn't contentious but reporters were repeatedly trying to get information regarding who devin nunes met. was it appropriate that he met with them and was it happening at the direction of the white house? >> and very little was portrayed in terms of knowledge or
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information. the main the point we heard from sean spicer was mono syllablic answer. he said it won't in any way imperil white house officials leading up to donald trump. that's the the headline i took out of it. they're continuing on green light michael flynn and perhaps signalling to michael flynn that they're not concerned about his testimony. >> what do we know about that meeting with devin nunes and if you don't mind, can you talk about michael flynn asking for immunity? ken. >> we learned today that the senate intelligence committee has rejected, at least for now, flynn's request for immunity. they say it is way too preliminary. they have no idea what he might say and negligent granting flynn immunity would stymie any potential prosecution by the justice department. in terms of the nunes nuance
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meeting, we're still reporting on the question which of officials in the white house provided him the information. our sources are saying it had to come from the white house. only a limited number of people had access to this highly classified intelligence that may have included the names of some trump officials. we're still trying to get to the bottom of that. >> and flynn asking for immunity doesn't necessarily mean that he is guilty. but he said repeatedly in the past and on "meet the press" that if you ask for immunity, it means you are guilty. the optics of it. from your perspective, what would you be taking away? >> with the optics aren't good but i wouldn't conclude he is guty evenf he did say that in the heat of the political campaign on "meet the press." i think he is trying to employ a safe legal strategy which is, hey, if everybody wants to talk to me, please give me some kind of blanket immunity and i'll be happy to talk. that won't be granted unless
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people know that he has something to say. somebody up the chain of command that he might be able to implicate or a wider breadth of knowledge and activity about what went on with the russians. i do think it is pre mature to be talking about it. but his lawyers do seem to be dangling it when they say he has a big story to tell what did you think it mean when we see the president tweet in the morning general flynn should get immunity? the only people that would be granting hill immunity, even if he is asking it, would be congress or the fbi. so is this donald trump just tweeting off something before he thinks it through clearly? or is this him asking congress or the fbi to grant his former national security adviser immunity? >> i saw it a little bit differently. i saw it as a page out of old clinton play book. the bill and hillary play book of discredit your investigators, go ahead and start casting a
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pall over the house and the senate even though they are run by republicans and even the fbi investigation. just discount it all as a circus and something you shouldn't pay attention to. and maybe signal to his reporters that hey, this is more of the same washington games. >> you're a member of the intel committee. is there a feeling that he does have a story to tell? >> we don't know. especially congress. if congress were grant immunity, that would to that any sort of prosecution that might be underway. we would need to know two things. one, what does he have to offer and two, are there other organizations, law enforcement or otherwe, who might want to pursue michael flynn for some reason. >> would you subpoena him if he doesn't get immunity?
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>> we are on the house side and the senate side for developing witness lists underway. on the house side, a little more haltingly than on the senate side. but i think the sentiment is if someone doesn't come, flynn or manafort or others, those circling around this messy investigation, were they not to appear voluntarily, i think we would want to subpoena them. that might be something that flynn is thinking about. this may be a better strategy in materials of getting before congress than being subpoenaed and then sitting there and pleading the fifth. this may be a better strategy. >> the white house' defense is improper surveillance. they bring that up a number of times. we heard sean spicer say it a number of times. was there any evidence, or is there any evidence as of now that the obama administration was surveilling the trump administration? the trump campaign? >> none at all.
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and don't take it from this democrat. take it from chairman nunes who said about these intercepts he reviewed at the white house, he said he saw nothing illegal about them. what we're left to do, to look at intercepts. and i haven't seen them. that may make reference or include information. it may be, it won't surprise you to know that we might have an interest in listening in on a mexican cocaine dealer. as we do that, maybe that cocaine dealer over glass of beer says something about, gosh, donald trump got elected president. when that happens, the reference to a u.s. person in this case, the president, would be masked. what it feels like is that the chairman is saying, there were some issues around that masking. maybe wasn't properly masked. maybe i could tell who it was. if this was a problem, this is why the intelligence committees exist. they exist to say, you made the
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nsa or the fbi didn't handle this particular u.s. citizen's information appropriately. so therefore we want to conduct oversight. what's strange is that's what we do day in and day out. so why all the cloak and dagger stu stuff. >> the white house sent letters to cheryl nunes and ranking member adam schiff to come to the white house and review information they have. they haven't confirmed it is what devin nunes saw the other day but that's what they believe. is it proper for members of congress to go to the white house to get any sort of information pertaining to an investigation that they could be doing into the president's campaign? >> let's set asighted the investigation. it is not unusual for a member of congress to go to the white house and hear from administration officials on policy or that sort of thing. and there's nothing inherently wrong with members of congress
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going to the white house. i don't know if this is true but would it suggest there are some political appointees looking at raw intelligence intercepts. that's a little strange. remember who they work for. they work for the president of the united states. then to call a member of congress associated with the president who is being investigated to say here's what we've got, rather than taking it straight to the president. and then to have that chairman not bring it back to the we have some issue with the nsa or the fbi. all that is strange. go next week, looking at these intercepts and then getting an explanation for why all the ten-day he happened, that's the first step in getting it together. >> the former ambassador to russia. how is vladimir putin looking at this right now? yesterday we heard him say incorrectly quote reagan when he was quoting george w. bush.
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read my lips. i had nothing to do with surveilling in the u.s. election. what are we looking at? >> well, he chose a very unfortunate historical analogy. because of course, after president bush said, that read my lips, he did the exact opposite. >> i should say it is h.w. not w. >> h.w. yes. he also said something that i agree with. absolutely, he is just lying when he says, we had nothing to do with it. that's his style. he has gun before. that doesn't surprise me. but later. in interview he said something that i do agree with. he said that the trump administration is not organized enough yet to have a policy toward russia. they've been distracted by this scandal and that we don't know what they want to do. on that score, i think he's right. we look weak. we haven't formulated a policy toward russia or most other
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countries. and we're not an actor in the nate system right now. we're so focused inwardly. >> the three white house staffers that helped to get into the white house to view this information, we haven't confirmed that. that's the new york times and "washington post" reporting. but we have reported that watki cohen -- cohen watnik, the nsa tried to push hill out. >> that's right. as he 30-year-old staffer in a very big job, head of the council. and the cia was not very happy with hip and asked to have him removed. and he complained and it got all the way up to president trump. and trump saved his job. and katy, i want to mention, you heard spicer at the white house briefing talk about some nbc reporting.
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i want to explain it. we're reporting exclusively that an obama administration official can carry a log of classified documents rehating to the russia investigation over to the senate intelligence committee. and that spoke to the concern about what would happen to that intelligence that had been gathered over the fall and the winter when the trump administration took office. now the trump folks are sort of viewing this as some kind of an improper attempt to leak. as far as we can understand, it was above board and brought to people who were properly cleared to see it. it is an interesting development. >> giving a whole new meaning to, he went to jared. how is the white house trying on use that piece of information to their advantage? >> well, they're saying this is yet another example. to be fair to the white house, this news came out right as spicer was coming to the briefing. and he was attaching it on to some other reporting.
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namely to evelyn farkas on what the was was trying to do in terms of preserving the intelligence. i'm not entirely convinced that sean spicer was fully aware of this nbc news scoop that we have. and to be cheer, it came from the obama administration officials to senate intel officials. totally vetted. think of this as a master key. it doesn't appear the actual documents were sent down but a master key on where everything is archived inside the federal bureaucracy. so should the next administration, the trump administration, try to hide these documents, there would be a record. a preserved record in a different constitutional branch that is the united states senate. and if they were to do an investigation, they would have a road map on where to find thes things. thank you all for being with us on this friday. up next, we're going behind the
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new information this afternoon about the departure of one of president trump's top aides. on thursday the white house announced the deputy chief of staff katie walsh was leaving the join the outside group america first policies. she is considered a key ally of
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reince priebus. for more, bring in the political reporter who was invited to a meeting on thursday about walsh's departure. so jonathan, tell us a little about that. >> well, like other reporters in d.c., my phone was blowing up yesterday morning from about 7:00 a.m. with people outside the white house. close to the white house saying that katie walsh had been fired. i asked sean spice better that yesterday and he said it was false. then i got a phone call to come to the white house. so i went in and sat down with steve bannon and katie walsh and they explained she was leaving to join the main pro trump outside group. they were very dissatisfied with the group during the health care fight. they wanted some air cover, some advertising to put pressure on members, that never came. so they want her to go run the group. now, i went out and did a lot of
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reporting after that meeting and have come to the conclusion that that is correct. that she was certainly not fired. there are other rumors doing the rounds on the internet that she was caught leaking. there is no evidence of that. i've spoken to a number of peel in the white house. not communications people, people who have no inthe centive to protect her. >> xags she wanted to leave? because she didn't want to be in the administration any longer? >> yes. i've spoken to people who are close to her. not just close to her but at the senior level who say that she was in a really difficult spot. she was in a really unusual role. you have reince priebus and then you had hear as this deputy overlaying two other deputy chiefs. rick dearborn and joe hagin. the last part of her job was managing the president's schedule. you can imagine that's a pretty difficult job. there's lots of people competing for the prets's time. and she had a tough spot.
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she was loyal the reince priebus. a lot of people are out to get him. she had a tiger on her back from the moment she walked into the white house. >> she is a big ally of sean spicer's as well. does this mean anything about his role potentially? >> i don't think so. what it does mean is that reince priebus is without his unquestionably loyal deputy. it leaves him somewhat exposed. there's no one there who has anything approaching the level of loyalty that she had to reince priebus. and i know that people who have his best interests at heart are somewhat nervous about him now without having this person who could sort of be a backstop to him inside the administration. >> according to the axios newspaper, you said that we should expect annul of violent upheavals in this administration going forward.
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>> yes. this is the m.o. for trump world in general. it was striking yesterday in the meeting in reince priebus's office. one of the officials in there, i can't say who, sort of described the white house in terms that you would almost apply to -- >> hold on. we want to describe the video that you're seeing onscreen. that is ranking member adam schiff of the house intelligee committee going up. he is on capitol hill but he was just at the white house to view classified documents. the white house invited adam schiff, invited devin nunes, to come view classified information. they wouldn't say what it pertained to but it is believed it is the same information that devin nunes saw last week. i'm sorry. he is not at capitol hill. he is at the white house right now. go back to what you were saying a moment ago. >> yes. so in this meeting it was really striking. one of the people in there said, sort of described the white
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house in terms that would you use to describe a software project. like the beta version. during the campaign, you know, you guys all didn't know what to make of us. we were this scrappy undermanned thing that sort of kept changing. and he said this will not be a static white house. this will be an amorphous white house. and it is like, they conceive of themselves like guys in the silicon valley reinventing things and burning things up every few minutes. so i would be stunned if there aren't more staff changes within the next six months. i can't pretend to know who but i don't think we'll see a lot of stability in donald trump's white house. >> jonathan swan of axios, appreciate it. and congressman schiff was walking up the stairs at the eeob on white house grounds. my apologies. i clearly need some glasses. coming up week moments away from president trump's next move on
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a huge fire took down one of the busiest in the country. it only took about 30 minutes for the fire to cause a bridge between highway 85 and 400 in atlanta to completely crumble. the governor declared a state of emergency. the mayor called it a transportation crisis. amazingly no, injuries were reported. as for what kautsed the fire, that currently remains unknown. cincinnati police charged one of two men with murder at a nightclub sunday morning. one person was killed and 16 others wounded. the other suspect remains in the hospital. a success for spacex. last night relaunched a rocket, falcon 9. this ia pretty big deal koiflt cut costs significantly. elon musk called it a milestone
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and said it was 15 years in the making. it currently costs about $62 million for a launch. at this hour, president trump is expected to sign another executive order. this one deals with trade. the white house says the order cause for a report to identify countries that the administration feels are trade abusers helping to contribute to our trade deficit. this is mainly about nafta. >> it really is. they want to go country by country and product by product. they've already called out china as you know on the campaign trail for basically taking away american jobs. this is all goming a week before president trump meets with xi jinping in mar-a-lago. the white house saying this has nothing to do with china. you can't look at the timing and say what will the reaction be? the chinese are very, very sensitive. this is a diplomatic relationship, for so long,
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democrats and republicans have largely been on the same page. now we're seeing some serious fracturing. >> any indication that at some point he could name china currency ma nip hater as he promised to do so often on the campaign trail? >> it is possible. he came out with tweets last night calling the chinese relationship something that will be a very difficult one. i wouldn't be surprised. there's tweet right there. leading up to these meetings, you often see american presidents hedge a little bit and be more sensitive on what the possibilities could be. so they ramp it down of weerl seeing the opposite. >> what would it be if he labeled them a currency manipulator. >> would it certainly damage the relationship when you have a president saying that. the chinese don't agree with that and there are a lot of issues on the table. especially as we import a lot of manufacturing. about $350 billion with china.
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and you could see the chinese hit back in different ways that would affect the economy from top to bottom. >> and i'm sorry if this is mings curveball to you. but there was an op ed in a state sponsored newspaper talking about how they were upset at the u.s. for reneglegi on the coal regulations, allowing the coal miners to get back to work. they believe we'll be polluting more when they've already agreed to lessen their pollution. >> there was a lot of american pressure on the chinese over the last ten years to get on the zpabl get to the same page with americans and chinese coming together. and you have seen a lot of pressure. and now with a new administration changing the position, it certainly could be, i think, a curveball for the chinese. they've got to figure out how to figure out how to keep pollution down in china. it is ultimately still a domestic issue for china but now it has other international
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most particularly eastern europe. in response to russia's aggression in ukraine and elsewhere. >> that was secretary of state rex tillerson meeting with nato foreign ministers many brussels today. he was laying out what he thinks -- excuse me, to be the focus thus far. in brussels for that meeting, our chief foreign affairs correspondent. also joining us, ann who just wrote a piece about tillerson. andrea, first to you. you just saw tillerson at that meeting. he is taking a much stronger stance on russia. he and nikki haley than this administration so far, than donald trump is. >> he is. and in fact, so did jim mattis today in london. so you have the defense secretary and secretary tillerson, both teeing up a much stronger posture toward vladimir putin. and it is complicated because donald trump has not. and we know what he said on february 5, he was asked about
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the fact that vladimir putin is a killer. he said so are we. that really shocked a lot of people. it got at love republicans like managing msnbc really angry. so they are taking a harder line. they are trying to really ease the concerns of european allies and others who are a concern based on what the president said as a candidate and during the transition and even after he was sworn in about putin. he just can't seem to criticize putin even in the midst of this investigation which the intelligence community agrees was an attempt on influence the election. >> do they have true credibility? if the president himself is not saying it? >> well, that's the problem. exactly right. i was talking to the admiral who was the supreme allied commander here. ande said this is a start. he said he wasn't going to come to this meeting, it was scheduled for next week, two days. instead, they offered he
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alternative days. he couldn't make those days. he finally came up with today for only four hours. he was on the ground for four hours and then left. so it was the quickest nato meeting ever. and he will be going to moscow. we know he is planning to travel to russia pretty soon so it was really awkward, if he had gone to russia. especially given his own back ground and his own oil executive relationships in russia without having come assured the defense alliance that was created 70 years ago, against the former soviet union. >> where does the u.s. stand on bashar al assad? the leader of syria? it was initially or policy that we wanted him removed. that seems to be. >> that really did change for all intents and purposes, even though we never stated it in the last administration, in fairness, because they kept
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saying as secretary kerry always did, that they're committed to the geneva peace process to work out an agree. once russia entered the air space a year and a half ago and began to dominate the air space and prop up assad, that along with iran, and no one being willing to take them off. it was clearly not going to be possible to come up easily with a solution to this horrendous civil war. so what rex tillerson said first in turkey yesterday, what nikki haley also heck overed as well at the u.n., is that our priority is to defeat isis. to do something about the terrorism. and they believe once that is accomplished, which of course, candidate trump said could be accomplished easily. you were there every step of the way, katy. once that's done, they think it will be eas to deal with assad. but it is disconcerting. and again, john mccain and
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lindsey graham took him to task. >> so easy for this news to get buried by the daily deluge of headlines coming out of the white house and the conflicts they have with their statements and what comes out about what has happened about, this russia investigation, and this morning rex tillerson, you wrote a truly fascinating story. you described the way he's been received at the state department and how he's been handling things. you say many career diplomats have not met hill. and many have been told not to make eye contact with him. explain that. >> had well, rex tillerson came in with good will. those who worked there, he said a lot of really welcoming things. he said he was there to learn and listen and he had a lot of
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support across the believe, even from diplomats and others who were deeply skeptical of the wider trump administration's foreign policy commitments and priorities. what my colleague carol and i wrote in this piece is kind of a story of how his early weeks haven't lived up to the early promise, at least in the minds of diplomats in the building. they feel like he is cut off from them. that their needs and concerns about what priorities and policies should be aren't making it to him. and more importantly, that the peculiarities of the meeting aren't being listened to and aren't being regarded. >> so who does have his ear right now? >> his ear primarily at the state department is a small ring
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of political aides. frankly that's not that unusual. other skraecretaries of state h relied on the advice and kounl of those here are not part of the career foreign service. they have regular contact with foreign service officers and draw them in to that inner circle in a way that our sources say tillerson so far the appears reluctant to do or hasn't done yet. >> and excuse me, andrea, what are you hearing about that same question? who has his ear right now? >> well, it is a very small circle of political aides and adviser. the white house has a lot of influence on all of this. for all the talk about how he's close to the president, goes there for lunge or dinner and close with jim mattis, he is not getting the benefit of career diplomats. and it doesn't live up to the very impressive speech i gave on
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that first day and said i'm the new kid on the block and was very engaging. we all wrote stories about it. he's been to five countries and has only once gone to an embassy which is the traditional way that secretaries of state end their visits to different countries. they stop at the embassy for what is called the meet and greet. we get on cover it. and he greets people, their families, the children can often come. and this is a very important symbol and also the substance of saying thank you to these people who are on the front lines and often in harm's way. and he has only done that. he did it in turkey yesterday. it was the first time. he'd been to mexico and germany and south korea, japan, beijing, and never once gone to an embassy. in several cases, his hotel was right across the street from the embassy. and it is an important gesture that is much noticed by these diplomats and their families who live in difficult parts of the
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the lesson here is don't try to pass a bill that only 17% of the people approve of. >> some of those in the no camp express ad desire to make this work. >> i know we'll all make a deal on health care. it is such an easy one. i have no doubt that will happen very quickly. >> i think it would be worthwhile for the chairman to recuse himself. >> are you going to recuse yourself? >> is that a no? >> at the end of the day, let me -- >> okay. you know what? you're asking me a question and i'm going to answer it. the president, i'm sorry. please stop shaking your head again. >> i'll do something i've never done. i'll admit that i ved for him but i have a job in th united states senate and i take that job extremely seriously. >> here's what the president said. the freedom caucus will hurt the entire republican agenda if they don't get on the team and fast.
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we must fight them and dems in 2018. >> i've heard about that tweet on the way over here. it is unfortunate. we're not fighting the president. we're trying to honor what we ran on. >> april. >> thank you, sean. >> how are you today? >> i'm fine. how are you? fantastic. >> you know that he does that in various forms including twitter. >> as you can tell by recap, it's been quite a week. fast breaking news every single day, almost every hour. for more on this week's developmen developments, i want to bring in our strategists. let's start with you. there's a bit of a war in the republican party. i think you can say. that donald trump going after the freedom caucus right now. as a former congressman
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yourself, what do you make of this? is the freedom caucus going to be intimidated by the president of the united states? >> no. they're not. nothing has changed. it is a caucus that's divided and on many of the freedom caucus voters, constituencies, to get elected and now he's turned around ae attacked them. but the president is somebody without a constituency right now on capitol hill. he continues to insult democrats, insummlt republicans. someone needs to teach the president the laws of addition. he has to get to 216 or eventually 218 votes to pass his agenda. he can't get there by continuing to insult the very people he needs the support from. >> steve, do you really think he relied on the freedom caucus? in my opinion, having been there, his message was all over the map. it wasn't necessarily aligned with any one ideology. his message was that i, alone, can fix this. he actually said that. i, alone, can fix this. went for a number of blue working class voters who turned red for him because they were
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breast interested in jobs. did he waste an opportunity by not coming into office first, find a way to work withest democrats right off the bat? >> i think you're both right, actually. he did rely on the freedom caucus voter to get him through the primaries. during the election he turned to the bernie sanders voter -- >> i don't think he made much of a change from one time to the other. i think his -- >> well, in one sense, you're absolutely right, katy,s he was on outsider and that was the strength of his message all the way through, whether it was in the primary or the general election. he ran against the establishment which was in the general election something that was similar to what bernie sanders did and got enough democrats who voted for obama in some of those northern industrial states to come over and support him, that he was lengt edlected president. i think he got to congress, a lot of democrats were saying, maybe, you know, we can work with him on infrastructure, do things in the middle. he ran off to the right and started not just catering to the freedom caucus, but caving into them which is how the health
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care bill got to the point where a lot of moderate republicans abandoned it as well. i think congressman jolly is right, he's a president without a constituency. he needs to learn about addition and learn that lashing out is not a way to bring people in. >> some right-wing radio commentators are saying donald trump is at risk of becoming the establishment. is that ultimately the worst kind of attack that he can take on right now? >> well, look, i don't know that he even agrees -- >> i'm sorry, that was for david. >> sure. look, so to your point, he has had the shifting constituency. here's the greatest challenge he faces. he isolated and alienated the traditional republican base, right, many who came along last november and finally held their nose and voted for him then he gets there and what we learned in the health care debate is he is not the ideological leader of the party, right, this is the same division that kpistexisted donald trump and ted cruz went down to the wire in the rye mpr.
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he has failed to figure out how to bring what was a fractured party and still is today, how to bring it together. >> how much do republican voters care about all of this russia controversy, what's going on in the house intelligence commiee right now? and michael flynn offering to testify if he gets immunity. david again. i'm so sorry. i need to say names. >> no, that's okay, katy. >> that's okay. >> there are two issues. we got to the end of this wheee and saw another week where the president and frankly the congress continues to lose credibility. there are two issues when it comes to the russia issue. the american people want to know, did russia involve themselves in our elections and if so, to what extent, and what the trump campaign colluding in it? that's one bucket. the other, though, what is the trump administration doing right now to obstruct and to cover up? that is quickly becoming the story line here. sean spicer, the administration, devin nunes, nobody has actually realized there are two anxieties here and the latter one, the american people are most concerned about this week, which is there a cover-up going on? this is why the president, he's
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the one person that can exonerate himself and make this clear. release your taxes, release the logbook that shows who checked in devin nunes. frankly say i want an independent council to get to the bottom of this. move the investigation off the sheets, if you will, off the balance sheets so you can get to your agenda. why is the president continuing to obstruct and why is he making sean spicer engage in the type of banter he did today during the daily presser? >> steve, even if the president does -- >> you know -- >> -- do all the things david just mentioned, is he going to be able to shake off this cloud of controversy surrounding russia? >> i didn't think i was going to come on here today and agree with almost everything that congressman jolly said, but i do. i think what he just said is absolutely right. there are two buckets. one is what happened and we need it get to the bottom of that. the second bucket, what did the trump campaign know, do, what do they know today, what are they covering up today, if anything? i think the third bucket, if you will, if i can pile on a little bit, why are so many republicans in congress seeming to look the
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other way and ignore this kind of behavior? imagine for a second -- >> that's it. >> -- that hillary clinton were elected president and these same accusations were made. there would be outrage not only in the republican party, but i hope on our side of the aisle, too. i just can't believe that there are so many decent honorable republicans who are looking the other way, pretending like this doesn't matter, and seem to have no interest in really getting to the facts. >> msnbc bringing republicans democrats, at least ones who aren't currently in office together. >> it's all purple. >> one show at a time. david jolly, steve mcmahon. thank you very much. we will be right back. >> thank you. it's time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. ellis-brown inherited a secret family recipe for hibiscus tea. she bottles her great-grandfath great-grandfather's caribbean drink and trying to build it into a national brand but she say she needs help. we answered her call and now she's getting a "your business" makeover. "your business" sunday mornings at 7:30 on msnbc. >> brought to you by american
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. we're also keeping a close eye on the markets this afternoon. just minutes before the closing bell, the dow is currently down about 45 points. this comes as the dow broke that eight-day losing streak it was on earlier this week. for more, let's go to cnbc's susan lee following the markets for us today. susan, what are we seeing? >> reporter: so katy, here we are at the end of the week, end of the month, end of the quarter. the week started off with shaky ground with the failure to repeal the health care bill on friday and going to make tax reform putougher. goldman sachs is one of the week's worst performers. down 3% also in the last three months in the quarter. still the dow is on track for a winning streak, first in 11 years. on the week it is positive. the nasdaq is also on track for its best quarterly performance
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since 20123 a3, nasdaq up 1.5% the week. this thanked to apple shares, best three months in half a decade. stock is up 24%, and 5 records by apple already this month. another technology name that was in focus today, blackberry, one of the best performers on the day, maybe haven't heard about it lately. it was up some 123%. some people thought that blackberry was left for dead, but the company no longer makes handsets and instead focus on higher margin software and guess what, they've beaten market expectations for six straigh quarters. >> fdyn, the closing bell there. that will do it for me this hour. i'm katy tur. follow me on facebook and twitter. up next, my girl kasie hunt picks up our coverage. hey there, kasie. >> good afternoon, everyone, i'm casey hunt live from washington in today for steve kornacki. day 71 of donald trump's first 100 days in office. topping the age


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