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of social media. how do you even know what is real anymore on that feed. that's all we have for tonight. we're back on monday. don't forget to watch "meet the press." "for the record with greta" starts right now. go ahead, greta. >> chuck, i'm not going to miss "meet the press" this sunday, that's for sure. >> don't be late. >> i won't. thank you. i'll be there. chairman nunes speaks and it's for the first time since the stunning news was reported that a combined three trump white house officials showed him classified files. and moments ago, nunes' counterpart, the ranking member democratic adam schiff was spotted entering the white house. so why he is now at the white house? to review classified documents. here's the catch. we don't know if these are the very same documents that chairman nunes was shown when he made the surprise visit to the white house. and elijah cummings is
demanding answer from the white house counsel and national security adviser. he wants to know who knew about it, who else was involved and will any disparat actioe action can iken. >> those reports are mostly wrong. there are -- i mean, this is something that i've known about for a very long time from people were not affiliated at all with the white house or anybody there. the challenge was finding a place to be able to view this information. to be able to get my hands on this information. so i think what's in the stories is there's a lot of innuendo, there are people that probably knew about this, knew about me being there. the fact of the matter is, that doesn't make them the source of my information. >> the big criticism, i think the overamprching criticism thas
been thrown at you is that you're too close to the white house. even if it wasn't your original source, it's still people at the white house helping you gain access to the information and then going back and telling the president and they are saying he's just too close to give a fair investigation when that investigation might involve the white house. do you understand those criticisms. >> yeah, i do. but it always goes back to, then who else is going to do it? because there's only so many -- at the end of the day, someone has to do it. i'm sure that all the republicans in congress voted for president trump. all the democrats voted for hillary clinton. i mean, that's just how it is. at the end of the day, we're accountable to our voters and like i said, this whole issue that we briefed the president on, that i briefed the president on, had nothing to do with russia. >> with me is member of the house foreign affairs committee is david sissilini and matt miller, former spokesperson for the commerce department.
congressman, first to you, we just heard from chairman nunes and he said that -- he says, i can tell you that those reports are mostly wrong. this is something i've known about for a very long time, from people who are not affiliated at all with the white house or anybody there. that's partially of what he said. what is he talking about? >> unclear. i mean, mr. nunes has already said that he received this information while he was in a vehicle and from a source that he's not disclosed but then he went to the white house, was shown documents and then returned the following day to present them to the white house -- to the president, then held a press conference. it's very, very inappropriate for our person who is leading an investigation to brief the target of that investigation. this is highly irregular. the story seems to be changing a little bit. i think the main point is that it's very difficult for anyone to have confidence that chairman nunes could lead this investigation and an independent, nonpartisan way to really get the facts and get to the bottom of this and when he said he answers to his
constituents, actually, as chairman of the intelligence committee, his responsibility is greater than that. it's to answer to the american people, give them confidence he's taking this responsibility seriously and independently. i think his behavior has completely undermined his ability to do that. >> it's hard to understand really there has been such a story that's changed so often. >> so often? >> we don't know a lot of facts. what is the question you would like to ask the chairman? >> well, the questions asked the chairman would be including specifically what is it that he has seen? how is it that he's processing this information? what is it that he's willing to share with mr. schiff and/or others on the committee. i find it deeply troubling and the most troubling part is if congressman schiff were to go there today, having been there
today, and review the documents that chairman nunes did, he would come out with a different assertion that chairman nunes did. >> i don't even know that or if it would be the same documents. i don't know, matt, if congressman schiff knows if it's the same documents. >> there's not a lot of trust right now between congressman schiff and chairman nunes and congressman schiff at the white house. the president got mad, sent these tweets out. if they had come out after that weekend and said, you know what, the president read this in the newspaper, we've lked a i and we're not worried about it, it would all be over by now. instead, we've launched a long series of investigations that have undermined the focus of the investigation, which is russia. >> ron, there's easy sort of simple fixes or attempts to fix it. if i were chairman nunes tonight, i would be at the white
house with congressman schiff and i'd say these are the documents i looked at. i'd sit with him and get him on my team and come out and make an announcement to the american people, that to which they can tell us. >> it seems obvious, if there's any possible hope that these two can come out and have a singular message, i think that would be helpful. personally, i believe trust in the institution, the body that has this investigation now, has been destroyed and cannot be rebuilt. >> congressman, leader pelosi has said that chairman nunes was duped, but that's sort of consistent with -- she's a passionate advocate for her view. she'd say that. but do you think he's been duped by the white house? >> well, i don't know whether he's duped by the white house or not but he clearly was responding to an effort by the white house to distract from the investigation. i think to draw attention away from what was under way. and it seems as if the whole
thing was orchestrated to do that. the sharing of this information and the notion of coming back and briefing the president and never speaking to adam schiff or the members of his committee. he was either duped or he's incapable of understanding the importance of being independent and in not briefing the person that's being investigated. it began with adam schiff and devin nunes having a press conference together where they set out this sort of bipartisan way to do this independent investigation and it took a very bad turn and actually devin nunes said he did this in part because the president was having a bad day for the media. he's not an advocate for the pers person. he serves a different function. you can either lead an independent investigation or you can be an ally of the president or an advocate for him but you can't do both. >> matt, so where do we go from here? >> i think we have to start over. i don't know how you fix this house intelligence committee investigation. >> why not just defer to the fbi and the senate and forget the
house investigation? >> that may be eventually what needs to happen. there needs to be two tracks of investigations. there needs to be a criminal investigation that the fbi is conducting. remember, that's only to figure out criminal wrongdoing. there may be things that the american public deserve to know about what happened that don't rise to the criminal wrongdoing and that has to happen in the house, the senate, a select commission and right now it's not happening in the house. >> ron, it may be that there's nothing wrong with chairman nunes looking at this information, maybe that he's very helpful and that he's discovered something that is a security issue for the country. maybe all that. but the way that he has handled this has promoted the most incredible, you know, confusion and suspicion. i think it actually hurts the fbi. >> it destructive, i think, to trust and to a sense it would be an unbiased and cohesive understanding of the thrt of the impact of the connections. i think the american public are thirsting for that information
if it's done fairly and in the right way and may well be impacting what the view is of the fbi. >> congressman, i know that you probably talked to a lot of democrats because of the way this is but are any republicans pulling aside the halls of congress, are they saying anything, shrugging their shoulders or are they digging in their heels, defending the chairman? >> no, i think people are very concerned about this. we've heard public statements from republican senators about this. i think people recognize it. this is a very serious investigation. we shouldn't lose sight about what is at stake here. this is a question about the role of the russians to influence an american presidential election and whether there is collusion between the trump campaign and the russians and this very sophisticated campaign and it's serious and people expect that we're going to find the facts where they lead us, get to the bottom so the american people leave no stone unturned and they recognize it has to be done in an independent way.
i think chairman nunes has made that impossible. and i think people are questioning whether the house can do that on his leadership. he really should step down in the best interests of our country from he had looking this investigation, have another republican do it who can discharge this responsibility and do it with great independence and not so affiliated with this president. >> who do you nominate? which republican would you dominate? let's get a democrat to nominate a republican? >> he probably wouldn't get the job. >> tell me, i mean, who do you listen to on this? >> there are lots of republicans who have expressed concern. charlie dent is a terrific person who would be independent. there are a number of republicans who have expressed concern publicly. maybe somebody who hasn't been such a promoter. maybe i'll start with someone not on the trump trans sags tit team. >> we know chairman nunes was.
i think it would have been smarter for chairman nunes to go over there tonight with the ranking member. i think that -- >> i agree. >> that's his way out, if the ranking member can help him sort it out. but it's not happening tonight. >> i agree. >> thank you, gentlemen. still ahead, why is president trump defending a guy he fired for lying to the vice president? and what is behind michael flynn's attempt to get immunity? allen dershowitz joins us. and what are the facts what is the truth and why is the trump administration citing nbc news? we'll dig into it. plus, the kremlin is watching us all like a hawk and we're waiting for putin's mouth piece for what putin wants you to believe about what russia is doing about a new cold war. and consuming the trump white house for the entire month, it's march madness, all right. stay with us. thank you!
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s michael flynn says he has a story to tell and boy would we love to hear it but will we? today, the senate intelligence committeeejecti the offer on the table in exchange for immunity. chairman nunes says immunity has not come up with flynn's lawyer and the top democrat saying the president defending him writing on twitter, "mike flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt by media and dems of historic proportion" but not talking about it to reporters. >> any comment on michael flynn, mr. president?
>> white house press secretary sean spicer was pressed on that tweet today. >> we heard from the president this morning saying mike flynn should ask for immunity. we also know the president has long-standing views on what the immunity means. he said back in september, if you are not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for. >> i believe he believes mike flynn should testify. he believes he should go up there and do whatever it takes to get the story out. >> with or without immunity? >> that's up to him and his attorney to decide. >> joining me is alan dershowitz. nice to see you, alan. >> nice to see you. thank you. >> when he made the crack last fall about immunity, that people who are asking for immunity, they are guilty. and also every time you ask to recuse yourself, you're guilty. your thought?
>> they never should ask for it publicly, though. what is shocking about this case -- and he has a very good lawyer but i cannot for the life of me figure out the strategy. you don't publicly ask for immunity, especially if you've previously said that only guilty people seek immunity. you negotiate behind the scenes. you then, if you get immunity, it's imposed on you. you haven't asked for it. you have no choice. if congress gives you immunity, the justice department gives you immunity, you have no choice. it's mh betro get immunity, not having asked for it, but then to ask for it and not get it. and so something is going on here. >> here's my theory about why they did that. i agree, you don't do it publicly. you do it privately. they want that offer of immunity on capitol hill so that flynn can accept it, go up on capitol hill, testify, tell whatever he wants to testify and then he'll be protected from possible
criminal -- he'll be able to use that if ever indicted in a criminal court for let's say a false statement in connection with an investigation with the fbi. the fbi loves to make those charges against people. >> sure. >> so i think they were trolg for that. >> well, it's possible. it's possible that they were trying to provoke a public confrontation so that the public will demand that he be given immunity so that he can tell the story. let's remember that under the constitution, you don't get transaction immunity. you don't get immunity from prosecution. you only get use immunity. and what the prosecutors can do is create a lock box in which they put all the evidence that they already have prior to this testimony given under immunity and they can use all of that testimony to prosecute him. they tried that with oliver north, as you'll recall, many, many years ago but they didn't do a good enough job. prosecutors can sometimes have their cake and eat it. that is, they can give the
immunity, get the information and still prosecute the immunized witness based on evidence that they have already gathered before he testified. so we're seeing a three-dimensional chess game being played now. >> what do you make of president trump tweeting that mike flynn should ask for immunity being that it's a witch hunt when he fired him after -- i use the nice term misleading. some may say he lied to mike pence. but then the vice president went out and said something publicly that was false because of what flynn told him yet now the president is defending flynn. >> the president has apparently told people that he regrets having fired flynn. the president generally doesn't like to do anything that acknowledges any wrongdoing at all. so this may just be a reaction to that. it's also conceivable that this is a coordinated plan between the white house and flynn's attorney.
i doubt that. but to have the president come out and say take immunity is very unusual. it increases the pressure on congress and the justice department perhaps to grant immunity. so everybody's playing some very risky games here and we don't know how in the end it will come out. but this is not the usual situation. the usual situation is the lawyer quietly says, you know, my client might be willing to testify. you have to tell us what you're willing to do. queen for a day, transaction on immunity, derivative use immunity, here's the proffer. here's what we can say. that's usually what happens. i have never seen a case before where a person seeking immunity goes out into the public and says i want the public to know that i am seeking immunity. i have a story and the other side says, no, we're not going to give you the immunity. that's very unusual. >> we'll see what happens. new facts on this one every day. thank you, alan. >> thank you. so why is the trump white house pointing the finger again at the obama administration and
what does nbc news have to do with it? that's next. also, we're going to dig deeper into general michael flynn's history with the russians. innocent or sinister? and does it have any relationship to his attempt to get immunity? some of flynn's past comments now coming back to haunt him. >> lock her up. that's right. yep. that's right. lock her up. you know why? and you know why? you know why we're saying that? we're saying that because if i -- a guy who knows this business, if i did a tenth, a tenth of what she did, i would be in jail today.
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official, evelyn farkas. here's what white house press secretary sean spicer said today. >> the revelations of evelyn farkas, who played a senior role in the obama administration going on the record to talk about how they politically used chas classified information is particularly troubling, that there was an attempt to do something politically motivated with the intelligence out there. and dr. farkas' admissions alone are troubling. >> evelyn farkas left in 2015 and she's now an msnbc contributor and entered this story the day after the headline, "obama administration rushed to preserve intelligence of russian election hacking." that was on march 1st. the next day, fark kas urged on "morning joe". >> i had a fear that somehow
that information would disappear with the senior people who left, that the trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their -- the staff -- the trump staff's dealings with russian, we would no longer have access to that intelligence. >> a lot going on today. >> yeah. that's why you have the leaking. >> two days later, march 4th, president trump sent out those infamous tweets claiming he had been wiretapped by president obama. and today, press secretary spicer also mentioned new nbc reporting that he says raises questions about whether the obama administration leaked sensitive intelligence for political purposes. >> you know, nbc news has reported something very similar about information that was used by the obama white house to spread this information and this politically sensitive information. >> to preserve key classified documents related to the russia
probe and a way to access those documents. with me is white house correspondent for "the daily mail" and kende dell laney. i'm having trouble with this timeline. elizabeth fa elizabeth farkas left in october 2015. how would she know that the obama administration would be collecting information on the trump campaign if she was out as of october 2015? >> greta, i think just like you and me, she's working her contacts inside the government and she was sort of reflecting what she was hearing from her former colleagues about what they were doing. and, you know, obviously the trump administration sees it as sinister and she saw it as perfectly appropriate because they were concerned about what might happen with some of this intelligence. >> did she have a continuing security clearance after she left so that she could be --
once she left the government, she could be having these conversations about what the people back in the government were collecting? >> well, she may have had a secuty clearance but i believe she has said that she didn't traffic classified information. she was purely talking about in an unclassified way about classified information. i'm trying to get information about what the government knows and what's being shared. people aren't reading out the classified details to reporters or hopefully former colleagues, greta. >> frances ca, i would assume i there was wiretapping or an effort to find out what was being said secretly, that that would be classified. >> any information that congressman nunes has said that he viewed is classified and that's why he can't tell us any more information about it. and what i found interesting about secretary spicer is what we've seen from nbc, all this
reporting points even more in the direction that president donald trump was wiretapped by former president barack obama as he's claimed. as you can see, from what she's citing and what we've been hearing, we still have heard nothing about that and congressman nunes has also said that he's seen nothing in these documents that cease reviewed that would lead that to happen. >> let me tell you what's just happened. congressman adam schiff, counterpart to chairman nunes, has just come out of the white house and released the following statement. today my staff director and i reviewed materials at the white house. it was represented to me that these are precisely the same materials provided to the chairman over a woke ago. while i cannot discuss the content of the documents, if the white house had any concern over these materials, they should have been shared with the full committee in the first place as part of our ordinary oversight responsibilities. nothing i could see today warranted a departure from the normal review procedures and these materials should now be
provided to the full membership of both committees. the white house has yet to explain why senior white house staff apparently shared these materials with but one member of either committee only for their contents to be briefed back to the white house. ken, the story goes on. what do you think? >> so what's significant about this, greta, is what i've started to suspect. if there was really something improper and explosive in tse documents nunes was talking about, the white house would have just released them to both parties, to the full committee because on its face it would have been a scandal or something worthy of investigation. if adam schiff, a former federal prosecutor, went in there and looked at them, we can accuse him of being a partisan but he's concerned about people's privacy and if he went in there and looked and said -- he's not really saying but he hasn't said that there was any particular improper sharing of names, as nunes has implied or improper unmasking of u.s. person names, perhaps there wasn't and perhaps that's the whole reason they
went through this charade of laundering this information through nunes who had two news conferences and then went to the white house. greta? >> francesca, what has been the point of all of this? why did nunes do that? i still don't get why nunes put us through this drama. it's been suggested by congressman schiff, although he doesn't say exclusively. >> we don't know if the information he saw today is the same information that congressman nunes saw. >> other than he says that he was told it was. >> and we still don't know if the same information that he saw was the information that congre congressman nunes saw. only congressman nunes knows what he saw unless the white house staffers compiled this information for congressman schiff are the same ones who gave the information to congressman schiff which begs
the question, why didn't they give it to the entire community? why was it given to him and him alone and why is the white house not saying that? are they just being transparent about it? >> if it weren't so serious the thought of russia meddling in our election, i would be more inclined to keep saying who's on first, as that whole comedy. this continues to be so bizarre. thank you both. ahead, it's not just the russia controversy from failed health care bill to the stalled travel ban, what americans are saying about president trump's challenges. first, general flynn sat nexto russian president vladimir putin. what story might general flynn be able to tell? >> took the fifth amendment and her ringleaders were given immunity. and if you're not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for, right? ♪
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with a tease. his lawyer says flynn has, quote, a story to tell. and that may be a tantalizing claim for investigators eager for a chance to learn more about flynn's phone conversations with the russian ambassador. as well as that 2015 gala in moscow where general flynn sat with russian president vladimir putin and, of course, there is the question, does general flynn know anything about the russian meddling that we are now learning continued after the election? here's what senator marco rubio said this week. >> within the last 24 hours, at 10:45 a.m. yesterday, a second attempt was made against former members of my presidential campaign team who had access to our internal information again targeted from an i.p. address from an unknown location in russia and that effort was also unsuccessful. >> and could general flynn shed new light on the thinking inside the very secretive kremlin now pushing the line that the hacking never happened? >> all those fake news having
nothing beneath and having no evidence were nothing else but slander and that's why we'll continue to suggest to everyone insisting that russia was interferi interfering in the domestic affairs of the united states, we will suggest them to read mr. putin's lips. >> with me now, malcolm nance, also the author "the plot to hack america." and michael crowley, senior foreign affairs correspondent for "politico" who has covered extensively on the russian hacking. michael, now we have a spokesperson for the kremlin, for putin, referring to fake news and that they did nothing wrong and i don't know, i guess he thinks we're making it up. >> well, it's vy russian deny it and then accus the other side of doing the thing that they said you'reoing so they say we're fake news. of course, it was russia helping to pump fake news into our
political system. and i don't think you can take the russian denial seriously. it's funny they keep using this "read my lips" line, which is the george bush line, no new taxes. a funny historical footnote. i think the more we learn about the connections between trump and his associates and the kremlin, the more disturbing it gets and it doesn't -- you just can't put much faith in what putin's people are saying. >> malcolm, is putin winning? >> oh, putin is doing a great job at winning this game. i've gone on record many times and said that we may be witnessing the single greatest intelligence operation in the history of russia and i'm talking back to the czar era. he is definitely winning. when he made his comments the other day, he is just executing a very long-standing russian, you know, old-school kgw, which
kgb officer, which is deny, deceive and make counteraccusations. i'm on -- putin is playing to his base as well, which is russia, trying to make russia appear benign and also to the americans that he actually called out for to support him. so vladimir putin is doing very well in this, even though we have caught him in the operation, he is still creating chaos in the west and discrediting liberal democracy. >> michael, is the white house distraught or disturbed by this or is this a distraction? i mean, how are they reacting to it? they think that they've gotten our attention off some of the other issues having to do with this meddling with this whole nunes? where are they on this? >> i think it's a mixed bag. it's almost impossible for the white house to talk about anything else right now. no white house would want to be talking about this nonstop. on the other hand, if they start
with the assumption, look, this investigation in and of itself was going to be such a big deal, everyone was going to be talking about it anyway it's better that the foc is on devin nunes and the antics of this house guy who came to the white house and what happened which is sort of confusing. i think people have trouble following it. i think it may look like it's descending on partisan squabbling and it's not on the substance of the charges, whether there's some collaboration between the trumpedtrump administration and the kremlin, which is bigger than anything. >> they were trying to come up with some evidence to support the previous tweet by the president that he was wiretapped so it almost looked like they were combing documents looking for support to back up the president. >> you can see that's very clear.
cohen-watnick, very junior analyst who somehow is running all of u.s. intelligence on the national security council staff, you can see that this guy went straight to our classified intel link and did this search and went out to find evidence to exonerate his boss. i also have a great concern, greta, that it's quite possible he was also looking for information to exonerate his boss who was fired, general flynn himself. this is abuse of classified systems. anybody with the security clearance would have had their security clearance pulled and would have taken away all their privileges. the originating agencies would be filing objections. this is political misuse of intelligence. >> and i think the investigation will probably go in that direction. thank you, gentlemen. headlines swirling around the russian controversy. what is the political price and what is the response from around
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stuck in a sand trap. the economist imagine glean centerizing president trump's problems running into trouble while playing golf. a lot of that is due to the russian investigations that have monopolized the headlines from the start of the month to the end. take a look. >> then senator sessions met with russian ambassador, once a key adviser to the trump campaign despite denying it under oath. >> i have now decided to recuse myself. >> the president accused former president obama of wiretapping at trump tower during the election. >> the fbi is investigating the russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and the russian efforts. >> today i briefed the president on the concerns that i had about incidental collection. >> bombshell reporting from "the
new york times." two white house officials were involved in feeding house intel chairman devin nunes information. >> "the wall street journal" is now reporting former trump national security adviser general michael flynn offering to testify in exchange for immunity. joining me is two radio hosts who heard directly and loudly and clearly from their listeners, bill from the bill press show and hugh hewitt, host of "the hugh hewitt show." i wondered how you guys come up with the names of your shows. hugh, you first. alan dershowitz said a few minutes ago that he has heard that donald trump regrets firing general flynn. have you heard anything like that? >> no, i have not. in fanct, reince priebus said te west wing is working very well. i talked to mike moran who says
he's respected by everyone. while he feels allegiance to a man who has helped him, i haven't heard any regret. he's one of the geniuses of our era. >> bill, how are things over at the white house? you're over there a lot. >> chaos. >> hugh just said everything is fine. >> he said that reince priebus said that everything is fine. i'm sure that hugh would not say that everything is fine. i go to the briefings as often as i can. i wasn't there today. i was there yesterday. the entire briefing was consumed with questions about devin nunes and who let him in the white house and what documents he saw and why they laundered, if you will, these documents which seems as they did through devin nunes and you know they want to talk about jobs. they want to talk about infrastructure. >> they don't want to talk about health care. >> well, true. they tried it. i think donald trump would like to run away from health care as fast as he can. the problem is that paul ryan keeps saying we're going to try
again. my point is, this issue, because tk you said this earlier, of the way they've handled it. >> that's the problem. >> greta -- >> go ahead, hugh. >> bill and i have been doing this since you were in high school and he's never been right and today, unfortunately, it's not the first day that he's right. >> we're going to confirm a supreme court justice next week. they've got a setback on health care. they'll get it back together. on this point, devin nunes left the white house and i listened to his statement. he didn'tay a thing about the substance of what he had seen as to whether or not team obama had politicized the collected intelligence. he said nothing either way. that's the question to ask adam schiff. that's the question to focus on. >> all right. hugh, we do know each other well. let me just say -- >> the finger in the screen.
look at that. >> hugh, you should not be using white house talking points, hugh. that's exactly what sean spicer yesterday said. we're not interested in substan. we're not interested in process. it is a question. when the chairman said, i've made this great discovery from some unnamed source, i have to run down and inform donald trump, and that very same day -- and i was at the briefing. sean spicer says we have no idea where he got this stuff. we have no idea what's in it. we have no idea why he's coming down there. then we learn it was all a ruse. he had been down there the day before, and that's where he got the documents. and now the white house will not tell us who let him in. >> he made a big mistake. >> thank you. >> he made a big mistake. he should not have lied to eli lake, who is probably one of the most respected national security advisers in washington. but i go back to adam schiff at the white house today leaving. he ought to be asked, did you see anything that concerns you
ranking membership, and if so, was team obama abusing incidentally collected surveillance. dr. far cass, by the way, was not on the staff. she's not in a position to comment on whether or not that hand. but she's in a position to gossip about what she heard, and the gossip that she gave voice to on this network is very alarming. i asked reince priebus about that as well on my radio show, and he said -- >> 30 seconds, bill. >> the point that they didn't find anything substantive in these documents is very important. it proves that donald trump was lying when he said that president obama wiretapped trump tower. >> that did not happen, though. you're right about that. he was not wiretapped. you're right about that. >> hugh, bill, nice talking to you. i hope youome back next week. and president trump, comedy and some very happy comedians. one joins me next. what if technology gave us the power to turn this enemy into an ally?
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trump's son-in-law and top adviser, jared kushner, will be questioned about his meetings with russian officials. yep. if they find out he did anything illegal, he'll be sentenced to still being trump's son-in-law. nunez went to the white house to brief trump on information he got from the white house. it's like when you send yourself an e-mail reminder and two minutes later go, oh, a new e-mail. >> not only is flynn willing to talk for immunity, he's also
coming out with a new book. the art of the squeal. >> the late night comedians n fact all comedians have hit the jackpot, a new president in the white house, not just any president, but donald trump. with me, kathleen madigan, whose comedy is streaming now on netflix. also on tour, hitting bloomington, illinois, gayle burg, illinois, napperville, illinois, and ridge field connecticut, and that's just april. that's exhausting. >> i didn't even know all that. that's crazy. i have to cancel some of that. >> that's exhausting. >> it is exhausting. >> admit it that the trump administration has made it really fun for comedians. >> he has made it fun, but he also acts so quickly that we're behind. like you write a joke and go, wait, he said something different now? i just read that tweet. they're like, no, that's old. that's so old, kathleen. you sound like a hack. he's very hard to keep up with. and i think when people come to a show, they should expect trump
things. if you went to mass, and the priest busted out some trump jokes, i would say that's inappropriate. but you're in aheater o a late-night show. so, yeah, pple are going to talk about donald. >> all right. first of all, thank you for this t-shirt you gave me. i got a t-shirt. >> oh, you're welcome. it's the last one that said "crew," and it's from milwaukee. >> take a look at that. you've been to appleton, wisconsin. you performed there. >> yes, i performed there. >> you and louis black performed there. >> we will be doing a secret thing there. >> is there anything sort of off limits with the first family? >> i would say the kids for me. but like not all comedians are going to agree. but i don't think the kids have a vote in that, at least in my family there would have been no vote. if my dad said, i'm running for president, none of us could go, i don't really agree with that. we weren't even addressed as individuals. so i think the kids didn't bargain for it. >> you know, i feel like i know your family. i know your brothers are lawyers. i know your father's a lawyer. i know about the cabin.
i know about your mother, and i know about the pills in the purse, which she doesn't like anyone to flow about, right? >> right, because if she comes to a show, now they know she has a lot of pills and like other old people in her aisle will ask her for her drugs and she gets super possessive and run as way. >> does your family get mad at you for making them sort of the -- >> no, not as long as i, you know, provide something spectacular once a year, which like, you know, like if i do a special, they'll come to that, or like vegas. if i'm at the mirage, they'll come to that. there's 500 of them, so i really have to do some work to get them there. but nobody has said anything. if it's a joke where i have questions about it, i will run it by them first and go, look, i'm going to say this. like my brothers have serious jobs. i don't want to be calling them a drunk or something. >> actually, you have done that. that's actually not true. actually, that's not true. look, i said i told i feel like i know your family. that law firm?
what about that law firm? >> that was true. that was my dad's true law firm in north st. louis. i said i can't believe they had customers. you should have just called it four drunks with a copy machine. >> i don't think they got to vote on that one. >> no, buty had already quit th law firm. it was over by. then he was a judge. he'd moved on. >> i wento your website. you are on the road how many nights a year? >> 579,000. >> that's a little bit more than 365. >> yeah, it is. it's a lot. it's the circus, and it's been going for 30 years. when people go how long is your tour, i'm like, well, 30 years so far. it's not like we're the rolling stones where we take a year off and go -- whatever music people do. >> louis black is often the on the road with you. >> we do a lot of charity. he's doing the autism thing with me in missouri. we do a lot of shows together. he's my best friend on the road. >> i understand the white house -- >> yeah, they're lighting it up. >> kathleen madigan. go to the website and see where
she's in because if she's in your neighborhood, you want to see her. thank you for watching. have a great weekend. i'll see you back here monday night 6:00 eastern. if you cannot watch live, set your dvr. follow me on twitter. you get to say mean thing as no anonymously. "hardball" with chris matthews. lock who up? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington at the republican convention last summer, michael flynn picking up on the spirit of the trump crowd goaded the audience into exuberant chants of lock her up. they wanted hillary clinton put in jail. they sure did. [ chanting "lock her up" ] lock her up. that's right.