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go nuclear. >> neil gorsuch should be confirmed this week. how that happens really depends on our democratic friends. >> and a surprise visit, jared kushner in iraq with the chairman of the joint chiefs kicking off a huge week for president trump's foreign policy. as trump threatens unilateral action on north korea if china does not help. we're going to begin this morning with that breaking news from russia. reports of at least one major explosion in the metro system in the city of st. petersburg. it is very, very chaotic and a fluid situation. right now there are reports of multiple deaths and injuries. and the russian president, vladimir putin saying they are considering all causes including terrorism. nbc's carlo is live monitoring latest developments. carlo, what exactly, and i know it's fluid, do you believe happened? >> good morning, stephanie, as you said the situation is very
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fluid at the moment. this is a statement just in from the russian anti-terrorist committee is they have confirmed a blast took place at about 2:40 p.m. in the afternoon in one of the carriages in st. petersburg. that's around 7:40 a.m. eastern time in the u.s. now, this anti-terrorism committee has not confirmed a number of dead or injured, but one of the state news agencies here report at least ten people have been killed and multiple people have probably been injured. but so far there are no clear numbers here from russian government, russian president vladimir putin has been informed about the situation and said they are looking into all possible causes of what could have triggered that explosion. vladimir putin was actually in st. petersburg today meeting
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with his belorussian counterpart there. the kremlin says he will closely monitor the situation. >> and what is russian media saying? are they jumping to any conclusions just yet around who could be behind this? >> no, at the moment they're saying the situation at the scene is very unclear and not jumping to any conclusions. one of the last major attacks here in russia was back in 2013, so quite a couple years ago right before the sochi olympics. and that was an explosion that -- actually two explosions within two days killing about 34 people at the time, you know, near a train station there.
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still very unclear and no conclusions from russia yet. >> carlo, stay with me. i want to bring in malcolm nants. saying they're considering all causes including terrorism. st. petersburg is putin's hometown. based on what you know and i realize it's very limited, does this look like terrorism to you? >> well, it certainly has the initial hallmarks of terrorism. you have to understand russia has actually gone through a series of subway attacks. back in 2010 there was an attack on the moscow subway which killed 40 people. and that was carried out by dagestan north caucus. i understand one of the train stations there's an explosive ordinance disposal team that may have recovered another device. so in the initial stages russia is handling this as an emergency
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management terms as a terrorist act. and it would possibly be the one of the two explanations for why the metro would blow up. the other one of course would be some sort of maintenance failure which detonated propane canisters or some other form of explosive gases or materials in the metro. but for now, you know, they have to keep their minds open because immediately rushing to terrorism just limits off your ability to think expansively. and if it is terrorism, of course then the evidence will bear that out. >> that 2000 attack, the bombing that took place in moscow that 40 people were killed at, how did president putin -- what was his response at the time? >> well, his response was the way the russians respond to everything. they've had a war in the north caucasus, actually about two centuries old fighting with
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islamic extremists in the region of chechnya, dagestan. and they actually have members of these what they call the russian islamic emirate in fighting with isis in iraq and syria. and there's a russian version of isis' magazine. so all of these groups, al qaeda themselves have all struck or supported groups that have fought against russia in the north caucasus region, particularly chechnya and dagestan. and vladimir putin came to power in 2000 after a series of apartment building bombings, which were attributed to north caucasus terrorists, but which some suspect were actually done by russia themselves. but it allowed him to invade chechnya, kill 100,000 people in his own vladimir putin's war on terrorism. so he'll probably respond with an iron fist, whether it's in the north caucasus and maybe
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even syria whether it's terrorism attributed to them or not. >> then if it does turn out to be terrorism, is it significant that it's taking place in st. petersburg? that's vladimir putin's town. >> yeah. that is extremely significant. as a matter of fact, it's almost out of parameters. vladimir putin is from st. petersburg. he made his political bones as an ex-kgb officer helping with the liquidation of soviet assets and controlling the mafia for the mayor of st. petersburg. and that propelled him into the russian fsb and intelligence agency. so to follow him as he's having a meeting with the president of belarus in st. petersburg and prepare an attack there, that's a level of sophistication we haven't seen. terrorists generally strike where they can when they can. and moscow would have been much easier. but to do this symbolic attack
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in st. petersburg while he's there, it's almost like giving him a hammer, right? it allows -- it gives the publicity but for the chechnyan and dagestan and russian state supporters it's almost like asking russia to come after them everything they have. >> it puts into context what dangerous times we're living in. malcolm, thank you so much. carlo, be safe in moscow. we have to take a turn and take you to home, a news here. it's a showdown of course of epic proportions and it could forever change the way supreme court justice nominees are confirmed. the senate judiciary committee is set to start voting on neil gorsuch in less than one hour. we have a stellar team of reporters to break it down. i want to go first to nbc's chris jansing live on capitol hill. >> a showdown in the senate, right? right behind me the senate judiciary committee hearing room, they have to do the first vote. this is the phase one before it goes before the full senate.
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but boy are tensions high here because so much is at stake. when you consider the number of people very small that need to be turned, take a look at the democrats who are still undecided on this. there are eight of them. five of them would have to side with the republicans for them to confirm neil gorsuch. there you see the undecided democrats, many of them in states that were won by donald trump. 20 hours these members grilled neil gorsuch last week. many democrats saying they just didn't get the answers they needed on issues like abortion and gay rights. but when you consider how high the stakes are, this is why so many people are concerned about where this is headed, the fight that is ahead. neil gorsuch is 49 years old, stephanie, the oldest member of the supreme court. ruth bader-ginsburg is 83. meaning if he's confirmed, he could serve on the court if he
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serves that long, for 34 years, even longer, that's how high the stakes are, stephanie. >> in terms of how high the stakes are, we know how fired up both parties are. just yesterday on "meet the press," senate majority leaders on with our chuck todd. show you what they had to say. >> filibustering judges at all is a rather recent phenomenon started by your next guest, senator schumer, after george bush 43 got elected president. >> when a nominee doesn't get 60 votes, you shouldn't change the rules. you should change the nominee. >> all right. that's a beautiful sound bite on behalf of chuck schumer. but there are zero chance president trump is going to change the nominee. so how truly does this battle look like it's going to play out? >> looks like it will go to a filibuster and then go nuclear, that is the extreme option where they change the senate rules, longstanding senate rules say you have to have 60 votes and would go to a simple majority. it is something people like john mccain say would be tragic but there's a tremendous amount of
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pressure here. some republican groups have spent as much as $10 million in ads in support of neil gorsuch, progressive groups have said that they will actually go after any democrat who votes for neil gorsuch. they will primary them. so it is a very tough decision for a lot of these democrats, some of whom are in states that trump in fact won by 20-plus points, stephanie. but they're vowing this will all be voted on by the end of the week. we're less than perhaps half an hour away from the members of the judiciary committee coming in here to start phase one. >> we have one of the best panels, our viewers in luck. here to break it down, editor of bloomberg business week megan murphy. megan, toif start with you. just last week your commander in chief mike bloomberg put out an op-ed saying it is time to go country over party, democrats don't make the mistake, don't do what republicans did last year, look at neil gorsuch with an open mind. is that even possible given what they're faced with?
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>> well, i think mike and mike bloomberg and ri sitting here shaking our heads on this one. it comes a time when you think can we take a step back? you just heard the words filibuster and nuclear option in quick succession. the fact we're at this stage, we're at such a partisan level of politics that we're actually going down this route and change the senate rules, change what's been a longstanding tradition to block this nominee and filibuster this nominee and to actually change it so it makes it easier to get highly partisan nominees in the future, change the landscape going forward. when actually what we've seen with neil gorsuch is, you know, this hasn't been really an argument over policy, over abortion, over his stance on women, over his stance on corporations. this has been a you blocked our guy, we're going to block your guy to send into the worst parts of washington the thing people hate the most. i don't know how it's going to play out on a grand stage with the american people. >> michael, isn't that what people voted against? their frustration in the washington gridlock. if we are now faced with a
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filibuster and nuclear option, that's the definition of gridlock. at the end of the day elections have consequences. you knew this seat was going to get filled to replace conservative scalia. who'd you you think you were going to get? >> this is why people hate washington and hate politics and think the whole thing has devolved into being a clown college. megan is absolutely right. this is as much about merrick garland as it is about gorsuch. you can have legitimate objections to gorsuch on abortion, gay rights or corporate interests. but they're still litigating the war against merrick garland. and i don't think that the democrats are playing a long game here. they're not looking at the consequences of the nuclear option. >> michael, they can't play the long game. that's the problem with society right now, in business and politics no one can play a long game because you have to get re-elected. and if you run a business, you have to keep activists away from you. no one makes long-term decisions. >> but this is a short game with potentially very disastrous
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consequences going forward. neil gorsuch is 49. we've got other senior members of the supreme court who may leave, who may retire. and these are going to be seats that could be open for donald trump to fill as well. it makes going down this route makes it much easier to confirm candidates who are even further to the right on the political litmus test spectrum still used for the supreme court. what is a shame here is that democrats seem to be coalescing. i think claire mccaskill put it strongly in her note yesterday saying i will support a filibuster, but she is so troubled by the long-term consequences that this will leave. and she knows the lasting repercussions this could be in terms of heightening partisanship, heightening partisanship in a washington that frankly is fundamentally broken. >> it's not like -- i understand the argument, resist, don't normalize president trump. i understand that argument. this isn't about president trump. >> no. and if they go nuclear and they do change the rules, the next guy that the progressives are going to worry about is going to
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be much worse than neil gorsuch. >> all right. we're going to move on. why? because in less than three hours president trump will be welcoming the president of egypt to the white house. the first of three visits by foreign leaders this week. the big one, president of china, xi jinping who are will spend two days in the u.s. starting thursday. extraordinary they're going to mar-a-lago. xi jinping hates golf, well, while all of this is going on another potentially big development in iraq for the president's son-in-law, jared kushner is visiting the war zone alongside joint chiefs chairman joseph dunford. i need nbc's kristen welker to help me out here. she's live at the white house. kristen, what can you tell us about this trip first? in my own little mild mind i would think bring rex tillerson, jared kushner, no experience, and he's already been charged with creating peace in the middle east, chairman of innovation for the white house. and i believe he was pretty involved in the xi jinping visit. so why jared in iraq?
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>> you're right. it's striking he's visiting before the secretary of state, steph. a couple of takeaways i think here, first of all, he's made it clear he's visiting on behalf of the president. as we know the president trying to cultivate a plan to fight isis as they try to ramp up that fight. so i think it underscores the fact that kushner is someone who the president trusts impolilici. we know loyalty is a key issue for this president. and jared kushner is family. so he trusts no one more than jared and his daughter ivanka. but he's clearly there to help determine how to ramp up this fight against isis and to bring back that critical information. as you say he's also engaged in other foreign policy efforts including in talks with mexico's president and laying the groundwork for that big visit at the end of the week for president xi, steph. >> i also want to ask you about
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that interview president trump did with the "financial times" ahead of xi jinping's visit. he said, if china is not going to solveorth kore we will. that is all i am telling you. what exactly is the president saying here? >> well, he's saying we're prepared to act unilaterally, steph. striking comments. is he talking about sanctions? is he talking about some type of military action? that remains to be seen. and those are some of the questions that we'll press him on in the coming days. but he's also foreshadowing that he's really going to be turning up the heat on china, on china's president to apply more pressure on north korea to stop these incursions. and of course they've gotten more frequent in the recent weeks and months. and this president has made it clear he has no bigger concern. in fact, former president obama said that this was one of the biggest threats to the u.s. so president trump really trying to turn up the heat ahead of that critical meeting on friday with president xi jinping,
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steph. >> meanwhile president trump this morning tweeting asking if hillary clinton has apologized for receiving questions early on a debate. so clearly president trump has a lot on his mind. all right, thank you, kristen. we got to take a break. my panel's not going anywhere. when we come back, more on the breaking news this morning. at least ten people reported dead in multiple explosions in russia. we're going to take you back to moscow. plus, president trump apparently reviving his health care plan. would he ditch republicans to work with democrats to get something passed? republican congressman joins me next. od hands? like finding new ways to be taken care of. home, car, life insurance obviously, ohhh... but with added touches you can't get everywhere else, like claim free rewards... or safe driving bonus checks. oh yes.... even a claim satisfaction guaranteeeeeeeeeee! in means protection plus unique extras only from an expert allstate agent. it's good to be in, good hands.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. you're watching msnbc. we're talking health care reform. it may not be dead after all. the president tweeted over the weekend that negotiations are ongoing and repeated suggestions that he is willing to join forces with democrats if need be. i want to bring in new york reblican congressman lee zelden. congressman, it's interesting to me, the day of the vote president trump almost seemed to be threatening republicans saying this thing is going to pass. and if it doesn't, i'm walking away, i'm moving onto tax reform. so is that not the case? >> i think right now you have a pursuit on both fronts. i mean, there's certainly been a robust dialogue over the last couple weeks as far as what the tax reform package should look like. meanwhile, conversations are ongoing to see if they can get to 216 votes in the house of representatives on health care.
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and i do think that if the president is unable to get to 216 votes working with republicans because of the fact that obamacare has some -- the affordable care act has a lot of very serious issues that need to be addressed, it forces him to have to work with people who there might be a little more difference philosophically, ideology as far as how to resolve it, but you have to do something. >> but the president has said it's on the democrats. they own obamacare, let's watch it blow up. do you believe the democrats own it? because president trump won the election. president trump has to govern the country at this point. democrats aren't in power. does he own health care today? does he now own obamacare? >> so the current law right now is a product of something that was passed years ago with a democratic president, democratic congress. fast forward to today when rates come out over the course of the next month or two that shows a state where some insurers going to have a 40% premium increase.
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>> it needs to get tweaked. but does the president have the will to tweak it? not getting a bill through was obviously embarrassing, but in terms of bipartisanship, we'd like to think hearts and minds are open. but is there really a democrat -- or at this point many republicans that want to trust and work them. >> there are parts need to reduce cost of prescription drugs, give more flexibility to state governors with regards to medicaid, pulling of policies is tort reform. many can find common ground, but where you see the most amount of division is when you get to the highest profile aspect of this, which is whether or not to repeal the current law and what to replace it with. and then it's not just the philosophical debate as far as what's health care but it's a political fight because so many elections have been won and lost
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on this debate. >> in terms of philosophical and presidential, we have to turn to the president and jared kushner's trip to iraq today. what do you make of this criticism? does it make sense to you that now the president has in two of his most senior posts, his son-in-law and his daughter, who many have said you want to have them there. sara huckabee sanders said we want them there, the president listens to them, he trusts them. what evidence do you have as a republican that the president listens to anyone? ivanka trump has been his daughter for 34 years. during those 34 years president trump has done a lot of things that haven't made sense. >> well, during the campaign when there was a change made with top campaign leadership around august of 2016 skprks at moments between there and the election in november, you start to see a more disciplined approach. at times became a little more unhinged. had some peaks and valleys, but it was obvious there was a change made where there was people on the campaign apparatus he was listening to. in the white house he trusts
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jared kushner. it's not as much as having a son-in-law give him advice as much as a senior advisor. >> well, what is his son-in-law -- hold on. if it's not his son-in-law, if it's a senior advisor he trust, what does jared kushner know about iraq or peace in the middle east or negotiating with mexico or china? >> first off, you know, you surround yourself with experts on all -- you have a cabinet and secretaries all have their lane of expertise. >> what is jared's expertise in terms of being in iraq right now. >> as far as him being in iraq, i've taken this trip where last time i went to iraq was december of 2015. and when you meet it with the ambassadors, the iraqi leadership, you meet with our military commanders, you get briefed on the developments of the iraqi counterterrorism, the latest in taking back mosul and efforts to push isis out of iraq, we need to form a coalition government. and the relationships with surrounding countries like iran or turkey, and the kurds both in iraq and syria as well as syria itself. so as you look around the map,
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to be there, to have those briefings, to ask your questions, it not only makes you a more informed advisor, he will be a better advisor than he was before the trip. but it also helps for the other side for that iraqi leadership and those to put a face to the name. >> all right. congressman, thanks so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. we're going to take a break. we're going to take you back to moscow for the latest on the multiple explosions that have taken place in the last couple of hours in st. petersburg in at least one, possibly two train stations. we're going to take you there. and the white house financial disclosures are out. who made the most and what problems could that cause? kevin, meet your father. kevin kevin
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. we have an update on the breaking news from russia. reports say at least ten people have died from at least one major explosion in the metro system in st. petersburg. russian president vladimir putin saying they're considering all causes including terrorism. i want to take you back to nbc's carlo angerer live in our moscow bureau. carlo, what more are you learn sng. >> hi, stephanie. as you said russian state media are reporting that ten people were killed and also the
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spokesperson for the st. petersburg governor told one of the state news media here in russia that at least 50 people are being treated at the moment and that many ambulances are on site. now, as we monitor the russian media here, there, you know, is no mention of terror yet. they're still calling it a blast in st. petersburg, but obviously these are some of the concerns. now, there are also some other security measures that are being put in place now. so in st. petersburg the rest of theetro has been shut down as well. and, you know, security officers on the scene. and the russian state news media is also reporting that in fact across russia at major airports, also in other metro stations including here in moscow in the metro network here there are enhanced security measures
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because after an incident like that even though it is not yet confirmed that this might be connected to terror, nobody here wants to, you know, second guess but rather they are putting the security measures in place. stephanie. >> all right. i want to bring in via phone msnbc contributor and former u.s. ambassador to russia michael mcfaul. ambassador, i realize it's still early, there's a lot of information out there. but what's your initial read on this explosion? >> well, my initial read is condolences to those families that just lost loved ones. it sounds like children were killed as well. the reports i'm seeing from independent news reporting ahead of st. petersburg and eyewitnesses there on twitter is that there were two explosions and one bomb that they saw somewhere else nearby. so it looks like terrorism. it most certainly looks like it was a terrorist act. on the eve by the way of a summit meeting that is supposed
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to take place in st. petersburg between the presidents of russia and the president of belarus today. >> just a few moments ago i spoke to a member of the foreign services committee who said they have information that there is islamic state presence in st. petersburg. do you know that to be true? >> well, what i would say is this, that russia of course has a long history of dealing with terrorist organizations against them. russia fought two wars in chechnya, which is a republic, which is part of the russian federation that spawned a mini paramilitary organization. and because of the war and kind of war russia has been fighting in syria with president assad's regime, many jihadist groups have called russia the enemy. and so, again, i don't want to
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speculate about things i don't know. but i wouldn't be surprised at all if this terrorist attack will be either a group directly affiliated with isis or isis itself. >> all right. ambassador, thanks so much for joining me and sharing your thoughts this morning. >> thank you. >> we're going to take a quick break. next, president trump threatening action against north korea unless china steps up to help. is he just talking tough ahead of his meeting with the chinese president? and one of the journalist who is conducted the revealing interview joins me next. try boon choice four words, badda book. badda boom... let it sink in. shouldn't we say we have the lowest price? nope, badda book. badda boom. have you ever stayed with choice hotels? like at a comfort inn? yep. free waffles, can't go wrong. i like it. promote that guy. get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed. when you book direct at book now. (bin einstein since he startede eating beneful.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. in an interview with "new york times" president trump said he thinks he can take unilateral action against north korea. ahead of his meeting with chinese president xi jinping this week, president trump said, if china is not going to solve north korea, we will. that's all i'm telling you. joining us is the one that interviewed president trump. what was your takeaway from that portion of the interview? do you really think he believes or has an action plan to take on north korea without the help of china? >> well, my key takeaway is that after a couple of years when people have been rather ignoring north korea because they were focusing much more on syria or iran or russia, now the focus is very much on north korea. i mean, remember stephanie, when
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president obama left the white house, he left a note saying essentially he thought north korea would be the first foreign policy challenge. and it's certainly turning out that way. and my best guess is what's happened is the nfc have conducted a review of north korea, it's accelerated to make sure it was ready before the president meets the chinese delegation this friday. and having read that, i think the white house is now seriously concerned about what's happening not least because all the signals are that north korea could have a missile that's capable of hitting the west coast by the end of the president's first term. >> you also asked president trump about cutting a deal with xi jinping of china and he said this, quot i would note at all surprised if we did something that would be very dramatic and good for both countries. okay. that quote right there to me is sort of this sound bite salesman at his best. but what in the world does that even mean?
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>> well, there's two ways to look at what's going on right now. one is that essentially you have what china says is two trains hurtling towards a track ready for a crash. and that's north korea and the u.s. and it's possible to imagine a scenario where things get very dangerous, very frightening in the next few months as the u.s. tries to go it alone to deal with north korea. but there's another possibility which is that maybe just maybe the sheer severity of the north korean problem is making not just america scared but frankly china scared too. and it's just possible to think or hope that actually there could be space or grand bargain, a grand deal not just with north korea but with the entire north korean or entire korean peninsula along with trade and things like that. so there's actually some plans floating around in some of the national security councils right now looking at a possible bigger deal, a bigger bargain, a seven-point plan which involves some kind of new alliance between china and the u.s. it would be frankly a major pivot point for global
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geopolitics. who knows whether that could actually happen or not, but that's one of the reasons i think why president trump did actually hold out the possibility of something big happening. >> i want to talk health care for a moment. a week ago the day the health care bill was voted on, the repeal and replace, president trump said either we put this through or i move on. i want to focus on tax reform. and then last week he was going after members of the freedom caucus. so help me understand, there a quote in there, in terms of health care, if we don't get what we want, we will make a deal with the democrats. >> one of the things -- because we've spent several hours in the white house on friday afternoon. and one of the things we've picked up from many different people there and we did speak to a number of people is that the conversations about health care are still very live. the negotiations are still going on. that may just be bluff or bluster, but i suspect they are actually pushing for other options, other ideas. and president trump made it very clear in talking to us that if the freedom caucus was going to
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block a deal with the republicans onboard, he would simply turn to democrats and do some kind of bipartisan solution. again, this may be bluster, but also might point to the fact that he's willing to be ruthlessly pragmatic and work with anybody who's willing to work with him. >> do you think he's been ruthlessly pragmatic thus far? >> i think he's certainly embarked on a strategy, which is to talk big, put out those crazy tweets, be dramatic to threaten people. and then climb down quite significantly. he's done that over and over again. so it's a combination of aggressive stick with occasional carrot thrown in as well. very different from what we've seen before, but we called him in our interview the imperial president, not something he's going to tweet about any time soon. >> there are two people right now whose heads are about to explode, gillian. i need to bring them into my panel. thank you so much. it was a great piece.
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you two -- megan, i'm going to start with you. >> all right. reality check here. this is a president in 17 days saw the primary position in terms of repeal and replace obamacare collapse, 17 days. now we've got a guy who's going to come up with a seven-point plan to deal with the entirety of the korean peninsula and going to democrats to get his health care reform plan? give me a break. this is not a pragmatist. this is soone rning without a plan or strategy and a wte house in constant tush moil can't get through a day let alone a week a future to put forward a credible plan for dealing with north korea. if this is negotiating strategy telling china, hey, look, if you can't deal with north korea, we will. god knows what that means. mike, your thoughts. >> okay. megan murphy's reality check is reality bites. what is your take here? >> i run into a lot of guys like this in sports. >> guys like what? >> their only plan with the losing team is to get to the next plan. that's their only plan. the idea this guy has a strategy, no, he has no
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strategy. what he said to the "financial times" sounded like a series of tweets. this is what happens with a president who obviously has no impulse control thinking he can govern in 140 characters or less. >> there's a sound bite for you. >> okay then. a sound bite and reality bites. there we go. all right. my goodness, we got to move forward. "nbc nightly news" is going to have much more on the growing threat from north korea. our own lester holt will anchor live in south korea tonight. but we're not done with you. next, the white house financial disclosures are out. i am so excited to talk about them in the richest administration ever. you remember those swamp drainers, what are the biggest potential conflicts of interest? we're going to dive into the numbers next. do you remember during the campaign the president warned us of ties to goldman sachs? he's got those ties wrapped up in a bow. it's time for the your business entrepreneur of the
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serenity now. it is time to talk money, politics and power. over the weekend the white house released financial disclosure of course for 180 of its top staffers. ivanka trump's disclosure was not included since she only recently became an official white house employee. but we did get a little insight
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into the first daughter's finances through her husband jared kushner's 54-page filing. and that revealed among many things that the washington power couple holds up to $700 million in assets. i want to bring in someone who has followed these financial disclosures, a staff writer for "the new yorker" and author of "black edge" which you must read, inside information, dirty money and the quest to bring down the most wanted man on wall street. also back with me, my panel, mike lupica and megan murphy. sheila, start with you. what stood out in the disclosures? >> i interviewed the lawyer who helped negotiate these with jared and ivanka. she made a good point, any time you have an administration with so many accomplished wealthy people, you're going to have these incredible entanglements. >> surely. >> and it's really hard to resolve them. but what's really clear is both the arrangements jared has come up with and ivanka have come up with keep their assets close. they are trying to get in compliance with the law while
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also keeping everything in the family. they want someone to kind of baby sit their companies, keep them warm. and then when they leave government, whether it's sooner or sooner or later, we don't know, these things will be doing well and will benefit from all of their government work even though they will not necessarily be violating conflicts laws. >> and to that point, these are two people, jared kushner, a man who's closely tied, part of a family siness, ivanka trump part of a family business. kushner sold off 58 businesses but again he's got his brother josh there. last week eric trump went on record saying we're going to focus on tax reform. why would you be focusing on tax reform. you're not a member of the u.s. government. so michael, what's your take here? >> anybody who voted for trump and bought in to what he said, they had a perfect right to do
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that, look at white house now. they believe the country is being run by what ms luke like the thanksgiving thinner with the trump family. i also try to flip these things. imagine if it was president hillary clinton today and we find out that chelsea clinton's husband was over in iraq. what would the reaction be from the bull horn media. >> what amazed me, we knew about jared and ivanka. mcfarland, deposit any security national adviser, 28 million. kellyanne conway $44 million. spicer paying it up on friday saying you're going to be impressed with the wealth. this is a level of wealth in the
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white house that is incalculable to most of the american people. and tights tax reform, any way you slice it in what they put forward, it continues to benefit the top 1% of americans making this kind of money. you said goldman sachs, he's not making tax reform policy. he's going to benefit from it. >> you know what the most expensive suburb is right now? the swamp. it's good to be in the swamp. >> after looking at these financial disclosures, this idea that the administration could make the rich richer and the poor poorer, the opposite of who voted for president trump, do these disclosures support that in. >> there's a lot of irony here. one of the big revelations is just how permissible the eths laws are. people are shocked that now they have someone in place pushing the envelope. trump could have made a decision to fake a principle stand and go
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a little further than he had to. he's done the bare minimum and his family is follow suit. all of that will trickle down. he's setting the example they don't want to overtly violate any rules, the spirit of the law is still being really abused. no matter what they do, they're going to end up benefitting financially from their public service and that is just not how we think of things in this country. max has a piece out today about steve feinberg who may fill get a role in the national security and could maintain control of his $30 billion hedge fund, a massive stake in gun ownership, gun manufacturing. that's going to be a-ok? >> one thing we should point out. there are people who have used public service, including the om ba obamas who signed an $80 million
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book deal. >> after the fact. >> they don't want to overtly violate the rules. the fact that eric trump and don jr. are going out striking business deal in south america while their father is the president of the united states, i mean, this is unprecedented. there are things going on now that ethics laws are only going to be able to unpack. >> ethics laws are up in arms day in and day out. but does it matter. if jared wants to head up to turkey to check out trump tower when he's done in iraq, who's to stop him? eric trump says he's giving his father quarterly reports on how the business is doing. >> these people make me think of -- dan used to say the ten stages of drunk edness. >> president trump doesn't drink. >> i any ththink that is the go
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philosophynever use irony in an underkw und und und underdeveloped country. >> now that ivanka has an official role, now that jared is out there having a meeting in iraq, are they going to be held accountable for this administration is doing? >> i expect there's going to be a good chance there could be more privately brought lawsuits about this in the future. however we're in the situation where the republicans in congress are actually holding a lot of the responsibility for enforcing these laws and yes holding them accountable. they have not proven to the america people yet that they are up to that job and we're waiting the see how they handle it. >> all right. well my heart and mind is open. i'd like to point out that tomorrow is equal pay today. yesterday sara huckabee sanders was on tv saying we shoulc celebrate jared and sig ivanka g
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in the white house. i hope tomorrow we're going to get an extraordinary announcement to the gender pay gap. thank you so much. we're almost down. any minute down the statute judiciary committee is going to vote whether or not to see judge gorsuch's nomination to the field. we're going to take you there live. of our property that was damaged. and we didn't have to touch our savings. yeah, our insurance won't do that. well, there goes my boat. you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance wheyou wantve somto protect it.e, at legalzoom, our network of attorneys can help you every step of the way. with an estate plan including wills or a living trust
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hour. march is over. you're stuck with this april fool. you find me anywhere on twitter. right now to d.c. with my colleague hallie jackson. good monday morning. we're just up the road from the white house behind us. the senate judiciary committee is getting ready for their first vote on supreme court nominee neil gorsuch. these senators decide now whether it should go to the full senate. gorsuch is kbexpected to get th okay. what happens next? that's where things get happy and that's because senate look like they're going to stall and this means the republicans could pull the plug on the nuclear option. kristen welker ist the white house. we have our


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