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check out, i put it on my page, fun fact. she got an award by the story she did. good night. see you tomorrow night. 6:00 p.m. eastern right here. "hardball"" with chris matthews starts right now. the enemy within. let's play hard ball. good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. donald trump's trump isn't the people he's hired. it's the enemy in his own brain he hasn't been able to fire. how he wants to stop the warring in the white house between nationalist and trump in bed, jared kushner ignores the fact that this is going on in trump's own head. and people starting with his family has to deal with now that
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he's president. the fight is real and isn't going to end how many bury the hatchet meetings they hold. the fact is as we've seen from the outside, there were three different parties all jocking for party inside trump's white house. the nationalists represented by steven bann. the family party represented by jared kushner and others close to him, they are mostly new york business people and not very ideological. people like chief of staff reince priebus. now an open dispute and it's all playing out very publicly thanks to an abundance of leaks from inside the west wing, leaks that never stopped. sean spicer addressed those reports. >> the reason the president has brought this team together is offer diverse set of opinions. he doesn't want a mono lit cal kind of thought process going through the white house. that -- he is the decider. i think the president wants to have a series of ideas and
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thoughts put forward to him. that's how he's going to make the best decision possible for this country. >> he said the "is confident in the team he has. >> we understand who have some smart individuals but there are battles in our policy differences need to be behind closed doors. we need to focus and ultimately all come up to commit to the president's agenda. >> keeping it behind closed doors, here is what's coming up in the past few days, sources close to bannon said he's not going anywhere, his message, democrats will never run the white house, that's a reference to jared kushner. the "new york times," no staff changes are imminent but the president is considering a range of options including a shift in
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role from mr. bannon h become increasingly isolated as other power centers have grown. politico quoted a white house official talking about bannon's open revolt against trump's son-in-law jared kushner. for a sevengali, that doesn't seem like a smart thing to do. the president is considering a major shakeup in the west wing. two people close to the white house said mr. trump has been talking to confidants about mr. priebus's performance and has asked for names for possible replacements. joining me right now is kristin walker, the "new york times," and usa today susan page. someone said no one is ever late in this town for a hanging. we do enjoy it. jared kushner will always be the son-in-law, i guess. he's in bed with the trump family. he know what is they're
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thinking, he's one of them. why would trump break the nepotism rule you're not suppose to bring family people in, bring them in and set them down in direct contradiction with his nationalist, that's just asking for trouble and to me it reflects the trouble inside trump's brain. he can't decide whether he's a nationalist, idle log or he nts to get re-elected. >> ihink you hit the nail on the head, they reflect the two sides of president trump's own thinking. steve bannon is a real touch stone to the base, the populace message that helped to get president trump elected. that's why you see him digging in right now. he knows that his son-in-law, the president's son-in-law can't get fired. at the same time he sees his job as safe because he thinks he's the person who holds up a mirror
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and reminds him of all of those campaign promises. on the other hand i think that president trump understands the necessity of having someone like jared kushner to temper what a lot of people feel is a much more conservative populace message, nationalist message, if you will, by steve bannon. that's how this works in terms of where these tensions stand right now. i think they're facing that first 100-day park. i think they're stairing it down. they know they want the headlines over the next several days and weeks to be positive so that big headline, whether he reaches that 100-day mark is positive. i think that's why you're seeing all sides publicly tone it down a little bit. i think you're also right, steve bannon is not doing to change his views an jared kushner isn't going to bag down either, chris.
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>> you have people who want to fight, there are militaryist, me say this is crazy, going to war with the united states is crazy. we're doing to lose. he doesn't believe in them. you've got son-in-law who looks like a prince. he's been well tended to growing up. they look like what they are. they're both in trump's head. >> the problem is, it's not that they don't like each other, they have different views on what the role of government, what they should -- what policies he should pursue, they also different attitudes of how you get to where you need to go. steve bannon describes himself as disrupter. that's what he wants to do. >> look at that guy. he's a guy who wants to work in the system. he's smooth negotiator.
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they're different where they want to go and how they think they auto get there. >> he's never had a hang over or fistfight in the schoolyard. what do you think, i know you've had both? just guessing. just kidding. >> i think jared kushner is where trump is from, which is the world of finance and real estate and manhattan high society. and steve bannon is where he got to, which is this nationalistic impulse in american politics. i think the main difference is that bannon has a set of policy priorities and kushner has a role and turf. but it's very different. kushner, i don't think he's pursuing a particular discrete set of policies that you or eye can describe or identify. i've not heard him talk a lot about specific policy issues that he's invested in. he's stretched so thin and his job ars to be mostly to represent the esident. but bannon has a particular world view and a set of issues he cares about on isis, on trade, on manufacturing. and there's a certain power in
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having that kind of focus, chris. >> well, the -- chris let's bring it back to you. the politics -- i mean the people that got him elected were not jared kushner and ivanka. what brought him to the white house was this nationalist about losing strul jobs, upset about illegal immigration, stupid wars, issues that grabbed the white middle class right in their gut. why is he listening to jared kushner now, is it just family? why doesn't he listen to bannon. he's the bullet train that took him here. >> it's partially family, remember his other closest adviser is his daughter. i think he trusts jared kushner and ivanka implicitly. he trust steve bannon, as you point out, his viewpoint is really what helped him get to the white house in the first place. that's why i don't think he's necessarily imminent.
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i think that the president is likely taking a hard look at his entire staff right now, but what we also know is that steve bannon's world seems to be limited to something, instead, of course he was taken off the national security council. we see jared kushner's role expanding. he's been given new duties and he was in iraq just last week, kind of assessing the situation on the ground. so it -- what it seems to be if you read it, the president is taking a hard look at his entire team and assessing if they're in the right places. and if it makes since to have these two squaring o on whole host of policy issues allf the time. i can tell you, steve bannon isn't backing down from this. and if you talk to folks who are close to him, he thinks he's winning this fight. and as you point out, chris, he welcomes a good fight, a good one. he's the one using all of these war terms and throwing the bomb. he's not backing down. he's not intimidated by the possibility of being ousted,
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that's for sure. >> let's end by talking about the stakes here. you know all of this stuff, big picture, whether we go to war or not, wait until we get more aggressive. how we handle the situation in north korea. how we handle the future of obama care, the things people care about. they have questions of climate. the issues that people vote on. which are these two sides -- how does it effect, who is going to be more moderate, safe than the other person. >> kushner is going to be offer a safer course than bannon because bannon wants to do bigger things. i think the reason that trump -- president trump has now has some reservations about his role, he didn't serve him well particularly on health care debate. bannon had a big role in the strategy towards the congress did that the work. >> they got nothing. >> so if you're reading the reviews in the papers, you might think jared kushner serves you better in terms of becoming -- getting rave reviews, getting
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positive reviews and getting some things done steve bannon even if he played in getting into oval office. >> who is better from the president if you want mild mannered government, not government. give me a sense. can you judge the patterns of who wins, who doesn't and what it means for us, as people, in this country. >> here is the important thing, steve bannon, i think, has had the upper hand on policy in the early days of this whi house. his hands are all over the immigration policy, the wall. syria was the first big battle he lost internally in the white house and, of course, as you said, he's a disrupter. he wants to break some eggs along the way and some extent he's the chaos candidate for the chaos candidate. again, it's hard to predict exactly what jared kushner wants to accomplish aside from having his father-in-law have a successful presidency. he sees the right hand of the king here, the guy who makes it work for the president. the real problem here is what is the president's own vision.
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as you said before, unless the president can decide what kind of president he wants to be and rule in a clear way within his own white house, he will keep having these problems with his own staff because it goes back to the guy at the top. >> well, we'll have either a hunt in the next threes or we'll have the roman of thes. it's great to have you mixing it up with everybody else. susan page, it's more fun than having you at the top. you guys at the "new york times" and washington post are unbelievable this year, not always, they are pretty much, but i've been reading you and i think you're unbelievable right now. four days after hitting syria, the trump administration is facing a big question, what now? three top officials are saying three different things about where we go from here with regard to war, talking about regime change. never liked that phrase much. what about the trump promises during the campaign when he said we're not going to start wars, we're going to be america first. he talked like bannon during the
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campaign. now he's shooting off cruise missiles, tomahawks, that's ahead. the resistance, democrats have three chances to pick off red steps in the next couple of weeks. republicans are starting to sweat a little. how strong are the prospects? and the "hardball" round table takes a look at haley's role, she may start the rough couple of months. let me finish with peggy newnan who just won herself the plitser prize for commentary. this is "hardball." it's our little differences,
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more from montgomery. kerry, give us the story. >> reporter: well, chris, first of all, there is a new governor here at alabama. it is the lieutenant governor now governor kay ivy. she was elevated to become the second only female governor ever of the state of alabama following the resignation by disgraced governor former governor, robert bailey. asou noted he tried to cover up a relationship with one of his aides, a female aide who was about half his age. at one point, taking a salary of more than $400,000, the cover up may have been bigger than the problem. he claims throughout all of this that there was an appropriate relationship but there never was a physical relationship. no matter what, today, he resigned. he has already pled guilty to two misdemeanor charges associated with campaign finance laws and ethics violations.
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"will happen." >> in no way do we see peace in that area with assad as the head of the syrian government. regime change is something that we think is going to happen because at all of the parties are going to see that assad is not the leader that needs to be taking place for syria. >> that's strong. secretary of state rex tillerson did not seem to share that priority when he repeated and "the syrian people will ultimately determine whether assad is their legitimate leader" here he is. >> we can navigate a political out come in which the syrian people, in fact, will determine bashar al assad's fate. >> sean spicer tried to explain the disdent between these two statements, saying they're not mutually exclusive. >> i don't think that's -- i don't think those are mutually exclusive statements because i don't think -- i think that you
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can -- one of them saying we don't see peace, the other one saying we need to have him gone. i think that's the point of th. >> can you defeat isis with assad's stolen power. >> yes. sure. but i think that -- i think you can defeat isis within power. i think it's your point. it's not like there's a single track that says -- if we can get both at the same time or one happens after another, that's fine as well. >> remember baghdad bob the guy that said they were winning, of course spicer's statement runs contrary to what the president said on the campaign trail. >> we have to get rid of isis first. after we get rid of isis, we'll start thinking about it. but we can't be fighting everybody at one time. so assad is fighting isis. we've dot to fight isis. >> what you're saying is assad can stay in power, that's not your infrastructure --
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>> no what i'm saying -- >> let syria and isis fight. why are we -- why -- >> i look at assad and assad, to me, looks better than the other side. >> you can't fight them both, you've dot to pick your guy. you've got to pick your guy. i'll tell you who i put. >> joining me now is ambassador syria robert ford and professor at yale university jackson institute. as well as adam smith. he joins us from the state of washington. congressman, let me ask you about this, what is our policy towards syria. are we trying to dump the assad family and get them out of there or are we trying to live with them. >> trump doesn't have a policy, so we don't have a clear policy. look, i think there's a policy here and that is to recognize that as long as assad is in power, there will be chaos in syria. there's no question about that. he is an illegitimate ruler and that is the yost syrians view him. frankly, both the extremist and isis in the moderates who
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started the protest, gosh, five, six years ago now. as long as he's in power there's going to be chaos. but the trick is, number one it's not easy to get him to leave. number two, what comes next, that's where our policy has fallen short. this is what president obama tried to do. he tried to build up a coalition of syrian moderates who could offer an alternative to asought. yo -- assad. the u.s. military going in there and taking him out would not be a good policy. it's not a good policy for us to say assad is okay. he's very clearly not. >> what do you mean by legitimate or not legitimate? i'm trying to figure out the monarchist in the middle east whachlt what is a legitimate leader in the arab world? who is? are they all illegitimate as you
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see it. >> a leader like assad who has murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people is clearly not legitimate. look, there's a huge problem with governance throughout the arab world. legitimate governance that has the support of the people and respects human rights. but i think we can all agree level way beyond any of the a others in terms of the way he has systematically butchered his own people and destroyed his own country. i don't know, you know, what you would say about the folks who haven't stepped over that line, but assad unquestionably has stepped over that line and is no longer legitimate leader for a people he's more interested in killing than he is in leading. >> let me go to ambassador, what do you make of this? why does he do something the whole world hates him doing, using chemical weapons. is he that desperate. i didn't think he was, i thought he was stabilizing the situation. >> chris, he does not care about world opinion.
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let me say that very clearly, does not care about world opinion. he cares about a balance of power. it's a police state. so, especially with russian and iranian health, he's winning in the civil war. he's not going anywhere. basically the war against bashar al assad is winding down and assad is going to stay. >> does he have tickets to the south of france or to moscow? >> he doesn't need tickets. >> what's plan b for these guys. you think he's definitely going to stay? >> absolutely he's doing to stay. he took aleppo, the last major opposition held city of the eastern part of aleppo, he took it in january and the war is winding down. as much as all of us who had hoped to syrians gain a chance, it's not doing to happen.
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>> this is pretty po thathetic. late last month just five days before the chemicals weapons were in syria, he appeared to contradict himself, this is our secretary of state before reverting back to his original position on sunday morning. yesterday tillerson's original statement was partially to blame for assad's behavior using the chemical weapons, let's watch mccain. >> do you think the administration did anything to encourage this behavior by the syrians by saying that the syrian people would determine assad's fate and that removing him is not a priority, things that were said before the use of chemical weapons? >> i think it probably was partially to blame. and secretary tillerson basically saying the same thing after kind of contradicting himself and then saying the same thing, argues vigorously for a plan and a strategy.
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>> here is how secretary tillerson addressed the question whether his statement was responsible for boldening assad. >> are you aware at all that that was taken as a green light by assad to launch that chemical attack? >> i don't see how that could be the case. this is not the first chemical attack launched by assad. there were two other chemical attacks. this was just the latest of a series of violations. >> ambassador, what's our policy, dump assad or not? to try to dump assad or not? he said we don't have a clarity there. what is it? >> policy in syria clearly in the trump administration, as it was in the obama administration last several years, is first and foremost to defeat the islamic state to take its territory in syria. the united states and its allied forces in syria, mostly sere kurds are actually making a lot of process on that. there is no particular policy now about getting rid of bashar
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al assad. we couldn't, any way. there are tens of thousands of iranian backed militia there. there are russians there. the days are thinking that we the americans can go in and sweep al assad out are gone. it may frustrate us immensely, but it is what it is. >> is that accepted on the hill? >> i think it is. i think it is, unfortunate. i think the ambassador described the situation perfectly. the russians have to be held accountable. the iranians have been helping us out for a long time. assad was in trouble before russians stepped in and gave him air support and ground trouble. the policy is frustrating and difficult because assad is everything that has been described as. how do you get rid of him. you know, what's the cost of getting rid of him. what comes next. assad is no dummy. i mean, he let isis people out
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of jail as the revolution was starting because that's who he wanted to fight. that's who he wanted to pit himself against. i will say if it comes down to assad still being in power, i don't believe we can defeat isis, as long as he's out there as a symbol of oppression, then you will have people who, you know, support isis, still coming into syria to fight assad as an illegitimate ruler. so it does no clear path. there's no easy path. we cannot just say we accept assad, period. that sends the wrong signal. >> okay, thank you gentleman. ambassador, i'll just say to the american people let stand for that point of view, it is a fact, however, we had to get rid of assad before we'll get rid of isis. if we can't get rid of assad, we're stuck with isis. i don't think american people will accept that. up next three special elections are giving democrats hope that they can win
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supreme court justice neil gorsuch has been sworn in. now we take you back to "hardball "hardball." ♪ let's see if that guy being dragged through the airport looks like something from the lockout. welcome back to "hardball." the trump resistance has talked the talk and now it's time to walk the walk. the trump wins in the ballot boxes special elections coming up in georgia, montana and kansas. health and human servis tom price in georgia sixth distric 30-year-old democrat john ossof leads a 17 person field in all recent polls. he's declared in the 18th primary in order to avoid a run off.
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he's raised $8.3 million so far. that's a huge amount of money and has republicans going and attacking him. they're sending into calvary, to lose their chances to replace ca director mike pompei. they're saying it could hurt chances. ted cruz, by the way, flew out the stop and vice president pence is recording robo calls, that will excite people, on estes behalf. progressive groups and leaders alike, people like bernie sanders are boosting the populace banjo playing singer, democrat rob quist. thank you so much. nathan, you first. what's your best bet for something exciting for the progressives to hear, the resistance to hear in the next
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two weeks? >> well, i think it's been good news so far. the fact that we're talking about georgia, i think it's a toss up right now where we've changed the rating on friday. the fact tha we're talking about kansas, the fourth district that donald trump won by 27 points in the november election. i think it's already been good news. i think victory in one or both would be icing on the cake to democrats and the liberals. >> dare i ask you my first question, best bet? what should we look for? what story should we read the paper about next week? >> i think tomorrow kansas is going to be closer than what people expect. i think john osoff has a chance. i think that's his best bet on the 18th next week. if it extends to june 20th run off. that's going to be two more months the republicans have to tear him down and attack ads and i think he's doing the right thing and going for it in next week. >> it's one of the southern campaigns where they have -- it's the all purpose of the run
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up to keep them from winning. i remember that they made sure it was a final run off and majority voters wouldn't be able to keep it in the office. they still had it. and it's this guy osoff has to get the quick knock off. he has to get 50% so he doesn't have to face the run off. >> really what the democrats are trying to do right now is boost up democratic turn out, specifically african-american turn out. d triple c were saying get out and vote ads. they're sending get out and vote mail to every single mail registered democrat in the district. they want to get turn out up. it's tended to average around 7% of electorate, they needed to get way higher than that if they really need it. >> you know, i know from our ratings and audience all kind of progms, like ours, people are exted at the base and i wouldn't say just the left. center left. i think a lot of people are upset, obviously.
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and they know that votes matter there was an upset last november. trump won in the electorate college, that was wasn't suppose to happen. if more people would have voted against trump, they would have lost. he's not going to win, i'll have some fun voting for him. there's no more joking about it. the guy won. will that boost excitement on the left? >> i think the reality that donald trump is president of the united states is certainly effecting turn out. what's key and what kevin is talking about is a democratic, it looks like they're changing the make up of electorate. if all things were equal. republicans would hold georgia's sixth district. they're not only out pacing republicans and early absentee voting. they're also turning out voters that didn't even vote in the 2016 elections, didn't normally primary voters and so the changing the make up of the electorate is important and looks like democrats are doing just that. >> isn't that what trump did? >> yeah -- >> it's the flip side of that.
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>> that's what you have to do, that's how you win elections by shifting who actually comes up to vote, for the most part. >> well, is this system helping. will gorsuch help? >> he probably helped a little bit. >> kennedy quits later this year. that's another supreme court justice, a lot of stakes here. >> neither one of these are senate seats, anything that gets a progressive angry is probably a good thing. >> it's interesting to see people are voting the way they're watching television, if they are, it's going to be big ogressive surge. great and seem to know your stuff. i love that in people. i'm a nut like that, too. i know all of this stuff. kevin, thank you. up next the hard ball round table is coming here with the look at the trump administration player who has got stock quality. listen to the star fish commercial or whatever it is. you're watching "hardball" with the action news. (announcer vo) when you have type 2 diabetes
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welcome back to "hardball." she had no foreign policy experience at all when she was chosen. last week in a defining moment, she delivered the harshest criticism of the assad regime in syria. >> look at those pictures. we cannot close our eyes to those pictures. we cannot close our minds of the responsibility to act. >> well, as governor haley, of course, first broke when she ordered the quick removal of the confederate flag from the south carolina state house. she's made no secret of take no prisoners foreign policy approach. here is what she said a few months ago -- moments ago during apeck. >> the way you chose the culture of the u.n. we start to change the culture to what we should be talking
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about and then we actually act on what we say. i wear heels, it's not for a fashion statement. it's because i see something wrong we're doing to kick them every single time. [ applause ] so for anyone that says you can't get anything done at the u.n., they need to know there's a new sheriff in town. >> well, much like daniel patrick and president ford and gene kirkpatrick, she's talking tough and shaking things up at the u.n. i'm joined by the round table, ashley parker white house reporter for the washington post, national politics reporter for the "boston gle." and "police kco." i guess i'm looking for a diond the display of the trump administration, what do you think, ashley, does she got it? are you going to call her secretary of state in a couple of years? >> she was already a political
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star. i think she's done a job. she's distanced herself from the president on a number of issues, sort of with no backlash against her. >> how do you explain that? she doesn't seem to be leeched or controlled by tillerson or the president? >> she's away from the madness of washington. i think you mentioned tillerson, he created a vacuum, he's press shy, she's not. and on syria, especially, you saw her lead by going to the u.n. and showing those photos and almost seemed if the president and trump spicer and the briefing was following her. >> i will piggyback off of that. i think there's a vacuum that has been created by the secretary of state because he ashley mentioned. >> press averse part. he doesn't want anybody around him from the reporter world. >> exactly -- we have -- he flies alone. and what that does is create a space that someone like
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ambassador haley can step into. even though she's saying things that may be repeated, it seems in this white house where there can be some mixed messages, that people are looking for that kind of stronger voice. >> i just -- i was -- space is a good term. it's very generational, but i was reading, create a space and then you can move into that. like somebody said that about jackie kennedy, there was a space there? and somebody else can move into it. go ahead. >> i was going to say though her job, at the end of the day, she sounds like a great politician. her job is to be a diplomat. it doesn't seem like she's actually really doing that job. >> this is a kiss butt part of the problem, one senator from the new york, 24 to 30 years. iet made. >> it will help your political career. what does that do for you? >> what's the job? >> the job is to get on with your peers and get them to agree on resolutions that the united states wants and she was not able to do that, especially on syria. i think at the end of e day
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this is going to be great for her political career. >> how do we move the u.n., which tends to be poor countries, third world countries, very much against israel, how do you get them to be on our side which tends to be more proisraeli than proarab at times? how do you get them on our side to knock off the assad regime? >> there are two-fold. you can sort of try to be a diplomat and negotiate and talk to people and listen. but i think nikki haley model, if she can't get the u.n. to go where she wants, she can publicly, as she said, she's taking names and she can send the message even if she's not getting the whole council to agree. >> she doesn't seem to know the details. she knows the tune, but not really the lyrics. >> that's what i heard. >> let's watch. governor haley discussing syria received a rougher reception. this is what i heard from a friend of mine, my wife, it
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didn't go over very well. here is the women of the world summit. she didn't do so well. >> how do you rationalize with some of these people who are dictators? >> again, you call them out when they do something wrong and you work with them when you can find ways to work with them. >> i would find that frustrating. >> we have to express america's values. we are always the moral conscience of the world and so our focus is to make sure -- >> any way, moving right along. >> what was that yelled? >> i think it was about -- >> that's what i heard, she didn't respond, didn't say anything about refugees. she's tough on the chemical weapons, no such sympathy or empathy for the kids who are drowning out of boats and stuff like that. >> i think it's telling when she said we're not going to be using soft power, i guess that
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includes empathy, as well. you know, charity towards others. but i think at the end of the day, that silence is deafening and i think that tells you the policy that they haven't made up their minds on this yet and they realize they're walking a fine line. even sean spicer in the briefing today seem to be repeating questions back to himself. >> i wouldn't say a fine line with trump, i will say he doesn't like refugees. >> how are you suppose to talk tough and say my heart was moved by these children but not be moved by them when they're on the border. >> that's the limits of the role that she has at the end of the day. she has to convince votes based off of a policy that many wouldn't find empathetic. when she talks about empathy of seeing the images, she'll need to defend other foreign policy that come from that white house and she might have trouble there. >> one part i agree with trump about, the use of patriotism, of
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briathe customer app willw if be live monday. can we at least analyze customer traffic? can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question. brian? brian... legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. you're saying the new app will go live monday?! yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. and the white house -- and sworn in the supreme court today cannot be overstated how important that is of trump and how much it means to his face and how much it means to his establishment and how many of his other sins will be forgiven because of this, i think, for a
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while? >> i think it matters. >> absolutely. >> just a few hours ago a federal court ruled that texas legislature voter i.d. law was intentionally discriminating and that's big because that means that some of those texas voter i.d. laws can go back under federal control. >> i never liked those things >> i have a fun fact for the first day of passover. >> by the way, we should recognize that, thank you. >> the white house is celebrating right now, it's unclear if trump is there. he's the only u.s. president to have an immediate family member who is jewish, his daughter, ivanka, although she converted to ju dea ssm. my friend, winning the prize today. you're watching "hardball." think again.
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♪ let me finish tonight with the news that peggy newnan has been awarded the plitser prize for commentator. turn to a pair of genuine favorites, the review section of best of any daily and the remarkable delightful beautifully written columns of ms. newnan. i think i know why she won this year, just as eugene robinson of the washington post understood the power barack obama's elected in 2008.
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she grasped the deep reasons for donald trump in 2016. here is her first column, after the fact. those who come to this pace know why i think what happened happened. the unprotected people of america who have to live with washington's policies rebelled against the protected who may defend and care little if at all about the unprotected. tuesday was an effect up rise, it was part of the push back against the elites. i know what she's getting to, i believe most of us do, even though she would never vote for trump. she was talking about the people left behind in the technological and cultural change, those who come from areas that had opportunity but no longer do. but see the educateds have but looking down on them. or above them in culture, they see a party in progress, a winner's circle and entertainment lead and know deep in their souls they didn't miss the invitation, it never came and never will. peggy gets that. while so many people could be as
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smart as her don't because they don't want to get it. good for you peggy. you prize winning writer. i love to know where your heart is on saturday morning, my favorite time of the week. though we never vote the same, certainly not the same, consistently, you teach me, better yet, you remind me. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in". we're not going to become the world's police running around the world. if we see this kind of action again, we hold open the possibility of future action. >> as a white house struggles to define the trump doctrine, the president scrapped a key campaign policy. >> it is a very special thing and a very special happening. >> senator cory booker responds to trump's first 80 days, the serious strik

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