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♪ i'm dr. kelsey mcneely and some day you might be calling me an energy farmer. ♪ energy lives here. this sunday president trump and the first 100 days. he is rejecting the deadline calling it a ridiculous standard, while at the same time rushing to meet it. >> no administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days. >> there's no big legislative victory like repealing obamacare. >> we were very close. >> but the president got his man on the supreme court. >> the most important thing is appointing people to the united states supreme course. >> reince priebus, house democratic leader nancy pelosi
and senator marco rubio. plus, our brand new nbc news wall street journal poll. what the voters think of president trump. the numbers are record setting. also, who should be happy about that georgia special election? democrats who came close? >> we have defied the odds. we have shattered expectations. >> or the republicans that forced a runoff. the answer may tell us a lot about 2018 and the fate of the house. and the o'reilly factor. >> caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone. >> what bill o'reilly did for the conservative movement and what his departure could do now. >> joining me are savanna guthrie. peggy noonan, and cornell belcher. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history
celebrating its 70th year. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning, after being elected mayor of new york, he walked the streets of the city asking people, how am i doing? how is president trump doing? president trump has dismissed the 100 day mark and also raced to meet it. it's part of the political culture and this week we have our brand new poll to tell us how americans think the president is doing. in short, not well. 40% of those polled approve of his performance so far. 54% disapproving. that's a bit of a drop from a 44/48 split just two months ago, and it's by far the lowest we've recorded at this stage of any presidency in our 25-plus year history of this poll. 35% say the president is off to a good or great start while 64% say he's off to a poor or fair
start. and finally 46% say they feel more hopeful with president trump, 52% say they feel more doubtful. compare that to obama's 64-30 split on that question. as he approached the 100-day mark. keep in mind, most of mr. trump's term is ahead of him. so he has plenty of time to turn things around with voters, but he is waiting for a big win that will allow him to declare a 100-day victory. >> no particular rush, we'll see what happens. >> on friday president trump tried to minimize the 100-day benchmark, calling it a ridiculous standard in a tweet. but that didn't stop him from announcing a big rally in pennsylvania on the 100-day mark. and he's been scrambling to declare early success. >> no administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days. >> reporter: on the campaign trail in a contract with the american voter, candidate trump
promised to introduce ten specific pieces of legislation in his first 100 days and fight for their passage. >> we're going to have the biggest tax cut since ronald reagan. >> the repeal and replace obama care act. >> impenetrable, tall, powerful, physical, beautiful southern border wall. >> we will cancel every obama illegal executive order. >> but republicans control the white house and both chambers of congress, and they have failed to pass any significant piece of legiation. the obamacare repeal was yanked from the house floor. mr. trump's travel ban is stalled in the courts, and tax reform has been pushed from the summer to the end of the year. his one big accomplishment, the confirmation of supreme court justice neil gorsuch was largely delivered by mitch mcconnell.
confidence in mr. trump's presidential qualities has eroded even on the attributes where he performs best. he is down seven points since february on being firm and decisive, down six on changing business in washington. now the president is scrambling for a legislative victory on health care, but signalling it might not get done. >> next week doesn't matter. >> still, in an interview with the associated press, president trump promised to roll out a massive tax cut next week. >> we'll have a big announcement on wednesday with tax reform, >> but capitol hill will be focused on funding the government that shuts down at midnight on friday, the 99th day in office, unless congress can pass a spending bill. a jittery republican congress is returning to washington after two weeks of facing down constituents at town halls. >> i want to make sure you have health care.
>> don't give me a fuzzy answer. >> and increasingly republicans have become comfortable criticizing their own president. >> with the trips to florida, i do wish he would spend more time in washington, d.c. that's what we have the white house for. >> and joining me now is president trump's chief of staff reince priebus. welcome back to the show, sir. >> good morning, chuck. thank you for having me. >> the president did tweet this on friday. no matter how much i accomplish in the ridiculous standard of the first 100 days, it has been a lot, including sc -- i assume he means supreme court -- media will kill. and maybe that will be your response to my question here, but just before the election, he made these legislative promises. ethics reform, more funding for the military, immigration, ethics reform, dealing with crimes and drugs.
all of them were supposed to be legislative action that was announced, not necessarily passed, but only one of those legislative priorities has even come close to a vote, health care. why does he say it's a ridiculous standard and then make all these promises for day 100? >> first of all, if you look at the promises he made on immigration, border crossings down by 70%. you look at tpp, one of the first executive orders he signed, look at ethics. every employee of the west wing signing annett ethics pledge. you're never going to lobby when you leave this place and never for a foreign country. look at neil gorsuch. first time a supreme court judge has been sworn in since 1881. i won't drone on, but this idea about major legislation not being passed within the first 100 days, barack obama had a pretty vague stimulus package that started in october of the election year which was passed
in february. it was prebaked. george bush didn't get any major legislation until june. bush 41 a year and a half later, nixon, one year, johnson 225 days. here is the deal. the president signed over 28 bills already. health care may happen next week, it may not. we're hopeful it will. as far as border security, the military. we have the cr negotiating one of the biggest increases in military spending in decades. he is fulfilling his promises and doing it at breakneck speed. >> but let me give you one standard that really is, i would think, potentially troubling. for senate confirmation, just filling the jobs, filling the empty positions in government, he has only nominated 45 people. only 20 have been confirmed to fail at this point in time.
george w. bush had 95 nominations, what is taking so long for you guys just fill the political appointments. you're way down here. >> actually not. let me clear this up. first of all, chuck schumer and the democrats have done something that many democrats and democrat leading pundits have said is inexcusable. they're holding up nominees -- >> these are not nominated. if you had 190 nominated and -- >> let me finish. i know what the question is. let me finish. even on david schilken who passed 100-0 in the senate, schumer still took up to 30 hours to debate. here's what happens when you slow down these nominations. when you slow down the nominations, you can't exactly clear someone for nomination in the senate.
so when you talk about who we have for assistant as secretary of hud or the state department, those people have been chosen. however, when you choose one of those people, the process is you have to send that person to the office of government clearance. and they have to get a background check. you can't get the clearance for 30 or 40 days after you choose the person. those people are in queue, and when they get clearance, they're sent to the senate. >> so you acknowledge you're behind. >> but we're behind because of historical, unbelievable obstruction from snaenators actg inappropriately. >> the president said -- >> you look at rex tillerson. the secretary of state has direct authority over the people he chooses to fill the positions within the department of state. if he gets picked, he gets submitted in december, he doesn't get confirmed until later in the year. for example, we have a secretary
of commerce that was chosen in november, not confirmed until february. that person is going to take the time to choose who his undersecretaries are. those undersecretaries that are chosen need 30 days to go through clrance, chuck. >> i have to move on because -- >> this is very easy. >> it doesn't make sense. >> how does it not make sense? >> these folks are not preparing for their own staff to decide who they're coming into office. let me ask you about the government shutdown, run out of money if a bill is not passed bit end of the week. your budget director said you want to have a down payment on the border wall in that government funding bill. if you don't get it, will the president veto the government funding bill? >> we've already seen progress in regard to getting money for border security in the cr. i'm confident that we will get something satisfactory to the president in regard to the
border wall. >> but it may not be the wall itself? >> it will be enough in the negotiation for us to move forward with the construction or the planning or enough for us to move forward through september for us to get through -- >> and speaker ryan said it's not going to gum up getting this funding bill done? >> no. i mean, we expect the priorities of the president to be reflective in the cr. we expect a massive increase in military spending, we expect money for border security in this bill, and it ought to be. because the president won overwhelmingly and everybody understands the border wall was part of it. >> are you okay if the money is not designated for security but not the border wall, will you sign off on it? >> i think as long as the president's priorities are
reflected, and the rebuilding of our military, and there is enough as far as flexibility for the border wall and border security, i think we'll be okay with that. but we're still negotiating this weekend with appropriaters in the house and the senate. >> health care, are you okay if speaker ryan says we need more time to find votes? >> i would like to have a vote this week, but on monday we'll still be here working for the american people. so whether health care repeal and replace comes on friday or saturday or on monday, in the grand scheme of things, it's a marathon, not a sprint. we're hopeful for this week, but again, it's not something that has to happen in order to define our success. >> has the president taken sides in the french election? is he unofficially hoping marine le pen gets in the runoff? >> not at all.
he will support whoever the winner is. we have a long term relationship that is historical with the french people and government. and no matter who wins that relationship will continue. >> so his tweet is not him showing preference for le pen? >> no, i think he may have some opinions as far as who he thinks might win, but certainly not a preference. other than a right-center person that believes in free markets. >> it costs $200,000 to be a member of mar-a-lago. the other club is $300,000. shouldn't the american public know who they are if they have boht memberships with one of these clubs? shouldn't t american public know who these people are if they bought memberships since the president took office? >> no, this is a private business and organization. it is a private club. i don't think that has anything to do with it. >> so if someone decides this is the best way to get access to you or the president, there is nothing the american people can do about it?
>> president trump, he is the boss. the "new york times" listed 20 different people who have all this access, some of who the president doesn't even talk to. but the president talks to a lot of people. that doesn't change his alternate views. if you look at him talking about trade in the 1980s and the 1990s, he is no different today. people like to talk about, argue about who is talking to him, who is influencing him to make decisions, it's donald trump. it has always been his agenda and it will always be his agenda. he will be delivering to the american people, putting america first. >> i will leave it there. i know you have a busy week ahead of you. >> i do. >> the government
will stay open? >> i believe it will. joining me now is the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. thank you for being here?
>> thank you. my pleasure being here from texas. >> since you're coming from a state that might be impacted by a border wall, is there any scenario you will support or that democrats will help keep the government open if there is money designated to build the wall? >> the democrats do not support the wall. i think the republicans on the border states do not support the wall. the republicans have the votes in the house and senate and white house to keep the burden open. the wall in my view is immoral, expensive, unwise. when the president says, i promised a wall during my campaign, i don't think he said he was going to pass billions of dollars of cost of the wall to the taxpayer. >> the budget director said,
hey, elections have consequences, republicans are in charge. as you just pointed out. but there are some democratic spending priorities you want to push for, including help make sure that while obamacare is still law, it is fully functioning. what's wrong with giving the president his money for a border wall in exchange for a priority that is not his, keeping obamacare fully functional and funded as a priority that's important to you? what's wrong with that kind of horse trading in washington? >> what is wrong with that scenario is the wall. he talks about how tall it is, how will pay for it, and all of the rest of that. you have to understand this part if there is a border. the president, i think, talking about this wall, is expressing a sign of weakness. he is saying i can't control our borders, i have to build a wall. we would certainly like to -- we have a responsibility to control our borders.
building a wall is not the answer, not here, not anyplace. >> let me move on to the state of the democratic party. i imagine it's where you sit on whether it's a good thing or a bad thing for the party, but let me ask you this. is the energy inside the democratic party a bit overstated if john ossoff gets the same number in that district? >> hillary clinton was a famous person running for president of the united states in a high-profile election. ossoff is running an off-season election. low turnout for the rest. we're very proud of that and just someone who has attracted personally such support. he made a remarkable showing. it's about him and the commitment he has made to the people of that district. we feel very confident.
>> what should unify the democratic party? what should make someone a democrat or not a democrat? there has been a lot of back and forth, especially among abortion rights activists, about a decision of activists supporting a democrat in omaha that happens to be pro life. and at some point, the democratic national committee chairman actually had to put out the following statement after three days of back and forth. he said, i fundamentally disagree with heath mello's personal beliefs, the candidate for omaha mayor, about women's reproductive health. it is a promising step that mello now shares the democratic party's position on women's fundamental rights. every candidate who runs as a democrat should do the same, because every woman should be able to make her own health
choices, period. can you be a democrat and the support of the democratic party if you're pro-life? >> of course. i have served for many years in congress with members who have not shared my very positive, my family would say, aggressive position on promoting a woman's right to choose. what you asked at the first part is about what unifies democrats. people say to me all of the time, you do such a good job unifying the house democrats. i say, i don't. our values unify us. we are unified with our commitment to america's working families, about job creation, about budget policies that invest in the future, good-paying jobs. and that's what we would like to see a debate on vis-a-vis the president of the united states. he promised jobs, show us the jobs. where is his infrastructure bill? there are many promises, many promises broken. and here's the thing. where is the infrastructure bill? the president was supposed to have a strong infrastructure
bill coming. the infrastructure bill is one of the biggest secrets in washington, d.c., second only to the president's not showing us his tax returns. we need to see those so we can see how his tax policy will affect his own tax situation. we need to see them so we can see what is the hold thathe russians have on him politically, financially and personally. this is about job creation. job creation for the middle class and working families who aspire to it. that is what unifies democrats. >> i want to show two clips of tv ads run in montana and georgia. take a look. >> nancy pelosi put america $20 trillion in debt and john ossoff is on her side. h her. >> her record is more nancy
pelosi than montana. can you trust quist and pelosi with your money? >> are you at all concerned that you could play an outsized role that if you're more unpopular in a specific district you could hurt a democrat? >> these ads show the bankruptcy of their own initiatives. the voter wants to know what they can do for them. but since you brought it up, and i'm glad you did, i think it is important for the voters in those districts to know who the candidates will be voting with. will they be voting with paul ryan who wants to eliminate the private care? it's not a question of the person, just as it isn't about the president. it's a question of the policy. so if you want to vote for someone like paul ryan for speaker, and that is a vote to
dismantle medicaid, it is a vote to eliminate the guarantee of medicare. medicare is a guarantee. you take away the guarantee, you eliminate medicare as we know it, and to move on to private -- by the way, those views are shared by the president's appointees to his cabinet. >> leader pelosi, i will leave it there, unfortunately. i have more questions but never enough
time. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views, coming from texas. >> thank you. >> coming up, russia, syria, and north korea. how is the president doing on foreign policy? we're going to talk toomeone who is a bit of a foreign policy hawk i the senate, marco rubio. later that tight congressional race in georgia, but we may want to add special elections to that. why democrats do have some reasons to be optimistic. and hey, unmanaged depression, don't get too comfortable. we're talking to you, cost inefficiencies
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belcher. pulitzer prize winner. savannah guthrie, co-anchor of the "today" show and robert costa who has just been named a new moderator of pbs. nice going. let's get to this 100 days business. peggy, we haven't seen you in a while, so i'm giving you first hit on this. obviously every president loves to talk about the 10 0100 days they run, hate it when it actually happens. how should they be looking at it? >> i think, look, for one thing, we all love politics, we focus on it every day. so we're watching literally every day he is up, down, on the side. we're seeing lots of trends. i think it's fair, first of all, to say that for those who support the president, their event horizon is longer, they're taking the long view. i didn't find the poll today to be that dramatic. i kind of thought after the
first 100 days he had, not so bad. the bing big thing he had was in your tape at opening of the show. neil gorsuch worked brilliantly, went straight through. implications for a generation. big win. failure legislatively of the health care, obamacare replacement. a bit disastrous. now i think what is most threatening at the end of 100 days is the sense of confusion. is the white house really talking to the congress? is there really a tax bill being put together? a sense of, wow, what is going on here? >> i was shocked by those numbers. you look at these unprecedented numbers in the honeymoon period, you say, chuck, there is time to recover. historically, no, we don't have their numbers getting better over the honeymoon period.
44% polarity in your polling who think that he is less effective than other presidents, and you have a real erosion of his brand, some of his brand in decisiveness and strength. all of those numbers are down, chuck, and if i'm the white house, i'm looking and i'm shocked. and the 25% honesty number, we have never seen that before. >> let me point to something that both of you sort of eluded to here. paul cain, you will enjoy this. the model of strategic chaos creating many different targets and never taking on much bloodshed worked well in the campaign, particularly in a sprawling gop primary. worked well in the campaign, but in government it doesn't work. there is a good chance that the week ahead becomes a lot of sound and theory. >> that is the issue, and bob can speak to it better than i can, but is he talking to congress? do they have a legislative path out there? it is kind of shocking, but nothing is shocking any more
that on friday he says a big tax reform deal, and according to reports surprised even people in the administration. that gets me back to the 100 days of the obama administration or frankly any administration. they always would say don't hold us to this stupid standard, 100 days. >> fdr? >> it's another flip-flop for trump, but he's right, the 100 days is a ridiculous standard. too bad for him he embraced it all through the campaign including when neil gorsuch is was sworn in and he said, hey, we did this in the first 100 days. live by it, die by it. >> >> they're all grumbling. they're trying to move on taxes, health care, and trying to keep the government funded. on health care the white house is negotiating with the hardline freedom caucus. trying to come up with its own deal. on tax reform, they're probably just looking at tax cuts. and government funding, that alone is a major issue for this coming week.
>> peggy, let's say -- i heard flexibility in reince. he was very careful what he said about the border wall. border security. it was clear to me he was never going to is a the word "wall." >> they don't want to add to their problems in the government shutdown. it would make no sense for anybody. i don'think that wilhappen. can i say, wever, pt of the context here as we talk abo th0 days? you mentioned that it's extraordinary that mr. trump has he these numbers during this honeymoon. i don't think trump ever had a honeymoon. this was not a honeymoon president. this was brace yourself, bridget. it was nutty from the beginning. it's the most historical moment, and i'll just say it doesn't compare well pollwise with other previous moments. that's all i'll say.
>> i think that is fair, but we're in a position with a uniquely unpopular president. he has not been helping and expanding his base. his base is sticking with him, but we agree that he needs to expand that. >> okay, we will pause the conversation. we a -- we have a lot to get to. i'm going to speak to the president's foreign economic policy and we'll speak with senator marco rubio on that in florida. and multi-car discounts, but they're about to see a whole new side of me. heck, i can get you over $600 in savings. chop, chop. do i look like i've been hurt before? because i've been hurt before. um, actually your session is up. hang on. i call this next one "junior year abroad."
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welcome back, president trump's first almost 100 welcome back, president trump's first almost 100 days in office have been marked by a series of foreign policy reversals. to acknowledge nato's relevance. all of which makes him look like a president eager to preserve the status quo rather than break it up. senator marco rubio who sits on the foreign policy committee as well as the economics committee. welcome to the show. >> thank you for having me. policy, i want to talk about a story that mayor may not have involved you. two foreign columbian presidents
going to mar-a-lago, meeting with president trump, having a meeting about the current government. the questions are about how did they get this meeting with the president? who set it up? the "miami herald" said you were involved in setting it up, you since denied it. did you have any role whatsoever in forging a communication between the former presidents and the trump administration? >> no. you'll have to ask the white house if there even was a meeting or what happened and you'll have to ask the former presidents. by the way, former president uribi is now a sitting senator. i met with foreign heads of state in my travel abroad. i'm not sure what the big deal is in that regard. but you'll have to ask them. i didn't even know they were in florida. >> is it something the u.s. government should play a role in deciding whether or not this deal is approved in columbia? >> no, that belongs to the vote in columa.
they voted it down, then the president came back and got it through the congress. they have elections in that country and those leaders were a accountable to those people there. and i do have concerns about fark officials winding up in the hands of foreign officials. i have concerns about officials becoming members of congress because now they're guaranteed a certain number of seats, and they're traveling to the united states of diplomatic visas. our relationship with columbia is important and strong and i will continue to support it. >> i want to move on here. i am curious, your democratic colleague mark warner said this earlier this week of trump's foreign policy. in beijing, moscow, tehran, they are recalibrating their strategies. you can't deny it because they
don't have any idea how trump will respond. that may be great in the short term, but it's not really a lng-term strategy for asserting leadership in a world desperate for american leadership. do you find anything to disagree with senator warner on that? >> i disagree in the sense that from that statement it implies there isn't going to be a long-term strategy, and i know there is and they have people working on it. the national security council is going back to his appropriate role, which is like an internal think tank that applies big objectives. i was having a meeting with them about the western hemisphere and their strategy towards it. we've had a lot of debates over american politics in the last few years about tactics. i think what's important to understand is you have to have a strategy and then the tactics are driven by the strategy. i know they're working for it. i anticipate a year from now you'll be able to say the same thing. if there are, then there's opportunity for criticism, but i don't think that's the way it will be.
>> nato, the position to strike syria. these are, in some ways, probably comforting to you on the specifics. but how do you know he won't reverse himself again? do you just take more comfort in the fact that he's coming to the sort of status quo, or are you concerned he could flip again? >> well, here's what i take. and i said this during the campaign. i think when you're running for president, especially someone that's never held elective office, there is one set of things you -- a lens that you may view the world through. then you get elected and you get good people and those good people bring you the facts. they bring you, here's what's going on, here are the options, here's what happens when you do this, here's what happens when you do that. you're now a president. you're no longer a candidate, you're not a pundit, you have to make decisions that have real impact. that's what you're seeing here. >> you think maybe he's moving away from the isolationist
rhetoric that he had when he was a candidate? >> i think he's dealing with the reality of being president of the united states. i think he's dealing with our foreign policy is not a good one or a bad one. it's one of two harmful options and you're figuring out which is the least harmful of the two. the whole flip-flop thing is a political thing. it's something people use in campaigns. in all aspects of life, people change their minds or make decisions when presented with a set of facts that are perhaps different than what they thought. why should that not be the case, especially for something as important as the presidency. >> does that mean you'll never run a flip-flop ad again? i'm half teasing, but you're saying you'll never use a flip-flop ad again? >> it depends on the opponent. >> it appears both president trump and former president obama
have made their preferences. you meet with foreign leaders, you certainly have an opinion on what's happening in columbia. is there a point, though, that that goes too far? >> i haven't heard the president express the preference. i think what i heard the president express was his belief that the terrorist attacks may help a particular candidate. ultimately, bottom line is, the people of france are going to decide it and i doubt very seriously whether my opinion or the president's opinion or the former president's on pinion is going to have an influence on how they vote. there will be a runoff between two candidates, it looks like, with very different points of view and the french are going to make a decision and we'll need to react one way or another in terms of how it impacts our relationship with them. but i don't see how our views over foreign policy will have an effect on the french election. >> richard burr said there is a lot of evidence that the russians are playing a role in the french election in the same way they did in the u.s. election. are you investigating that as well in the intelligence committee, sort of this overall
role that the russians are trying to do in western democracies beyond the united states? >> i think there's plenty of open source reporting to reach that conclusion and the french will tell you that. i was in france about two months ago, and they said they're involved particularly in undermining mccron, who is the candidate running there, and they're trying to prop up le pen. she's taken out massive loans in order to fund her campaign and her political operations. as far as the general behavior of the russians, sure, that's something we're focused on in both foreign relations and also in the intelligence committee on an ongoing basis. that's not new, that's always. but let me just say that i don't think i've ever had any doubt that these active measures have existed for a long period of time. i think they've just been weaponized to a greater extent over the last two to three years because of the ability to use the internet and social media and fake news outlets and all sorts of things. so that is most certainly -- you saw that in the open hearing of the intelligence committee, but quite frankly, multiple
committees are looking at that stuff. >> senator marco rubio, would have loved to have gotten more, but time is of the essence. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views, sir. always good to talk to you. >> thanks. coming up, you've probably seen this picture of the new england patriots at the white house this week. a lot was made over who wasn't there, including a number of african-american players. when we come back, we'll talk about how fans of different sports view president trump. and this question. in which of these two places are you more likely to f tru supporters? we'll be right back. remote moisture sensors use a reliable network to tell them when and where to water. so that farmers like ray can compete in big ways. china. oh ... he got there. that's the power of and.
among different fan bases, democrats are more likely to be tennis fans, 42%. followed by basketball, football and then baseball. on the right it's nascar fans who are most likely to be republican, 38 paerls of them followed by baseball, hockey and then football. what about the independents? ready for this? might surprise you a little bit. they're most likely to be hockey fans sitting at 38%. now on the issues, it's nascar fans who think president trump is doing the best job. basketball fans who like obamacare the best, and tennis fans who are most opposed to president trump's travel ban. by the way, nascar fans are the most in favor. so what does your fandom say about your politics? if you're a basketball fan, chances are you are a democrat. you more than likely live in a major suburban center. if you're a nascar fan, you're likely more of trump's base. you're likely to live in rural, southern or conservative america. and maybe most surprising, it's football. because it hasn't brought us a
fan base, it leans slightly democratic, which makes sense given hillary clinton won the popular vote. the best way to measure trump support this fall may simply just be to show up at football stadiums. you know what that means. we'll be taking "meet the press" to lambeau, a little frozen tundra action. when we come back, abortion rights? good old bernie sanders is right in the middle of it. you don't let anything
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back now with the panel. you guys had your shot at president trump. he's had a rough 100 days, but the democrats,hat looked like the start of week for the democrats, with what happened in georgia, then i look at these headlines from this dnc chair tom perez and bernie sanders. "new york times," unity stop in nebraska. sanders unity tour exposes rifts. bernie sanders unity tour, failed. why is the chairman of the democratic party appearing with somebody who's not a democrat? >> well, because they in fact share a lot of the same ideals and a lot of the same values. there is right now a disconnect between what you see the grass roots sort of uprising and energy on the left and you know p.p. put out a poll that shows 11 point enthusiasm advantage for democrats. but there is a disconnect and i
think the democratic party -- the dnc in particular they have to work really hard to reach out and bring in a lot of these young voters who were obama voters, not necessarily democratic voters from the jump and bring these protest voters back in. it's not an easy job. >> i have to say, i mean, after fighting over omaha mayor, and i -- you saw that tom perez spent his entire week having to back track on it. you heard nancy pelosi there, savannah, no no no. we welcome pro life democrats. >> it's interesting, tom perez takes the position that is something close to a purity test or a litmus test saying if you want to be a democrat you have to hold these pro choice views and nancy pelosi didn't go there. they have to work this out for themselves. they're going through something that the republicans have gone through where you have the grass roots, all the energy is on the far left. just as on the right, the energy is on the far right. but are you going to win the elections like that. >> there's a donor/voter split
there. >> there's a real story. if i can put it this way. those who profit from abortion or health services, women's health services, how ever you put it, they give a lot of money to the democratic party. democratic party should say shaw very much, but you know what? we're going back to being a big tent party. broad on social issues like this. we are declaring go with your heart. if you truly feel that y c be -- that you are pro-life, you want to be pro-life, and a democrat, go for it. the democratic party has i think been hurt very badly in terms of its national reputation with this narrow sort of you can't be in our party if you don't hold the right views on abortion. it would be a brilliant political move if they opened up. >> the challenge for the democrats -- i saw this up close when i was in atlanta this week covering the special house election is how to win over suburban voters. some of the moderate republicans and independents in places like
chamblee, georgia, young professionals going to be starbucks and they're skittish about president trump. at the same time, if the democrats want to win back wisconsin, pennsylvania and michigan, they need that bernie sanders populism, that energy. it's a balance ahead of 2018. the suburban outreach versus the populist pitch. >> the southern suburbs -- i mean, what i took away from georgia, it's real. southern suburb ya is the battleground in 2018. >> it is. really quickly, we -- in 2006 when we had the sea change election we had a lot of pro choice democrats win. we have to -- >> pro-life you mean. >> pro-life democrats win. that's going to happen. this is an absurd argument to be having now. talking about georgia six, if democrats have a success, it look like the districts that you do have an affluent, college educated white group of voters, because those are the voters who quite frankly hillary did better among and president trump did
worse among than typical. this would be a problem for me. if you look at kansas, if you look at georgia there's a double digit swing. from republican to democrat. now, if you're still a republican district, they'll do well in district. but this ten point swing should be troubling going into the midterm. >> here, look, we saw in 2010 a lot of fights inside the republican party on purity. while they were fights, it didn't take away from the bigger win and maybe that's what democrats end up with. a fight and a win. >> i think it's better for the country when each party looks like it stands for something serious for some big things but they'rnot ow and they're not bought. >> i agree. can we please -- someone speak up for the radical middle here? i mean, i think it's great that we have competitive districts that could swing back via election. we're compromised -- >> you want them back -- >> i want swing voters back. >> you know what's tough for the democrats, when the republicans won in 2010, they lost a lot of
the farm team. when looking ahead who are the candidates? where's the recruitment? >> if you shut the door then you limit maybe people who want to come and run. >> the gerrymander conversation at some point. >> gerrymander. we'll talk to dr. mandzer at some point. we'll be back with end game and the o'reilly factor. what does the departure of bill o'reilly and roger ailes mean going forward? no matter how dusty the room or how high the pollen count, flonase allergy relief keeps your eyes and nose clear. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes.
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back now with "end game," a back now with "end game" and a sea change. peggy, you wrote about this a bit. you said this. i don't know about fox news and referring to ales and o'reilly. it wasn't good, it was poisonous. i'm glad they're doing environmental clean-up and you referred to it as piggish. >> yes. i think we're all having sort of -- journalistic or ideological looks that we're taking at what has happened at fox news in the past year. but i think the big headline is it was a serious setback for sexual harassment in the workplace. that is a cliche, but it is a
story that continues and i think sexual harassment took it right on the chin with the fall of bill o'reilly and i'm happy about it. >> there's some that say that all that money means he didn't pay a price -- >> you mean the -- >> the golden parachute. >> if you're against sexual harassment you have to take your victories where you can. and i'll quote peggy too. she said, piggishness is not conservative. we have to get passed where being against sexual harassme harassment -- >> is somehow part of the political correctness world. >> yeah. can we be just against it? and i think it's a -- to quote peggy again. i think that's what the victory was this week. >> look, you cannot though not look at what's going on over at fox and just say, look, bill o'reilly and roger ailes, jim pinkerton writes a great column in breitbart. we're short on ti, he essentially is saying, hey, they understood how to talk to the trump voter before trump figured it out. now they're not there. >> when you look at barry
goldwater and so many conservatives coming up with ronald reagan in '60s, '70s, 80s it's because of fox news it's become a grievance politics oriented movement. more about political correctness, railing against the media. than any kind of ideology. that's where they have found their trouble in the recent years. it doesn't have the cohesive ideology anymore. >> and the question will that be there anymore? i wish we had more time but we don't. sorry. before we go -- you'll get it on twitter. new york women and communications is going to honor my pal savannah guthrie with the matrix award. other winners have included meryl streep and gwenn ifill. >> gretchen carlson is one of the honorees as well. that's all we have for today. thanks for coming in. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >> you can see more "end game"
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