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republicans thought to be yeses have switched to no. >> i think it's going to be approved. it could be soon, but it could be not so soon. >> strange honor, president trump speaking with vladimir putin on the phone today as he comes under fire for saying this about kim jong-un. >> if it would be appropriate for me to meet with him, i would absolutely. i would be honored to do it. >> plus, brace for impact. another airline brawl as united's ceo testifies before congress this hour, expecting tough questions on how they'll make sure this never happens again. we're going to begin this morning with house republicans, they are cautiously optimistic on the verge of passing a bill to replace obamacare, but get your head around this one. they may have just three days in total to do it and by our count they've got less votes now than they did on friday. i have a great team to break it
all down for you. i want to go first to nbc's mike va cara live on capitol hill. where do things stand on the vote? >> stephanie, we're down in the basement of the capitol where republicans are filing into their weekly closed-door meeting here in the basement. they're going to be hashing it out, talking about this vote. a lot of controversy around it trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. it was back in march when they had a version of their health care bill to repeal and replace or at least alter obamacare. they did not have the votes. it never made it to the floor. they're making another go of it but it's touch and go. according to the nbc whip count, 20 republicans are opposed. those are 20 republicans who have publicly stated their opposition to this bill. ten who were yeses on the previous iteration of the bill, 10 republicans who are now undecided by our count. keep in mind it takes only 23
republicans, given the fact that the democrats are united in opposition to this bill, only 23 republicans to jump ship to say no, would essentially kill the bill yet again. so they are counting those here. a lot of pressure, a lot of arm twist going on behind the scenes, but it is still this condition, this new amendment, that has brought new life to this bill, brought a lot of conservatives on board, that is causing a lot of anxiety among moderate republicans and that is the preexisting condition provision in this bill. of course, republicans at the assistance of conservatives, have said that preexisting conditions states can get a waiver, a lot of critics are saying that is essentially saying they will have access to health insurance, those with preexisting conditions but won't be able to afford these high risk pools. a lot of decisions will be made over the course of the day, starting this morning here in the basement behind closed doors.
>> all right. i want to bring my panel in. i have a god one, msnbc's steve cur knack ki and mike. let's start with you, the reason things bill has come to life is because of this amendment the idea to bring more in. why exactly do they have less votes? math, it's hard for me? >> they might not have fewer votes, but they might not have enough votes to pass it because the last time it failed there were many moderates who joined with the very conservative members of the tea party to say a combination this will cost too much money and bad for our voters, but now, they've kind of cut out the ones who are ids lodge, find the old bill ill logically, and it will be cheaper for the states and cheaper for the government but might not protect as many people. i mean that is the fundamental tension. you can have a bill that costs a lot of money, you can have a bill that protects a lot of people but it's really hard to do both. >> very hard. with the president promised to
do on the campaign trail and the other night when he spoke to cbs, this what is i don't get, whether or not you like the cbo score, it's the best measure we've got. why is it that republicans of all people, want to push this thing through in three days without a score that would tell us how many people it would cover, who exactly it would cost? politico put out there's a senior administration official that said this thing either goes through now or we're done, which by the way we heard that from the president the first go round. >> there are a couple things in tension here. we passed the 100 day threshold. officially that means nothing but symbolically it means everything. if you're looking at this, republicans have heard for the last couple weeks, you have the white house, you have the house, you have the senate, you have complete control, this is the trifecta you've been dreaming of and the one thing you've been talking about for half a dozen years now, repeal and replace obamacare. you mean to tell me you've got everything you need in terms of control of the government, and you've had 100 days and haven't gotten anything through. there's a lot of -- an impetus
to just pass something but here's why i think it's really in doubt and all those decided undecideds or previous things. look the special elections we've seen. the republican actually won in kansas, we're going to a runoff in georgia but the energy there, these raise are closer than they should be in those districts and those moderate republicans in the house are looking ahead to 2018, looking at the energy on the democratic side saying do i want to be on the record voting yes on this now and have to run on it in 2018. they're running into hesitation on that. >> steve, health care is literally for some people life or death. so if the republicans want to push this through without having something like that score, which they held so important when president obama was in office, does that not send the message i just got to get this through and off my plate. >> let's say they cobble the
votes and pass by one or two vote, it goes to the senate. >> they don't care. not their problem. >> looks like right now the odds it would die in the senate only a margin for error for two. the house says we did it, but it's not actually enacted. >> hold. guess what we have to talk about now? vladimir putin. i need time for him. vladimir putin you know who i'm talking about, the violent reputation of this man has not impacted president trump's self-proclaimed respect for the russian leader. he called him strong before. the two men are expected to speak by phone later today. the long list of offensive allegations against other notorious leaders are not scaring president trump off either. i want to walk you through this. in the last two days, he has invited the filipino president to the white house, and said he would be, quote, honored to meet with north korea's kim jong-un. >> yes. under the right circumstances i would absolutely meet with him. no problem. >> are you thinking -- >> most political people would never say that, but i'm telling
you, under the right circumstances i would meet with him. >> okay. kristen welker live at the white house. kristen, how exactly is the administration explaining this, jared and ivanka are in the house, how is this happening? >> the explanation when you're talking about north korea's leader kim jong-un is to clarify, stef. press secretary sean spicer saying the president meant to say that he would meet with the north korean leader under the right circumstances and the circumstances aren't exactly right, right now. but there's no doubt that the president's comments are creating some mixed messaging because remember, the administration also making the point when it comes to north korea that all options are on the table, including military options, if north korea continues its provocations. in terms of the outreach to the philippines leader, the white house saying look, the broader goal is to get north korea in line and if that means reaching
out to the philippines' leader despite the fact that he's been broadly criticized for human rights abuses so be it. a fierce backlash from some of the presidents' members of his own party. take a listen to what senator john mccain had to say earlier today. >> this is a dramatic departure from the kind of approach to foreign policy and human rights that i admired ronald reagan so much for and i think one of the reasons why he was one of the most successful presidents in history. >> reporter: more tough questions about all of that for press secretary sean spicer a little later on today when he holds his daily briefing, stef. but as you pointed out at the top, the president is also expected to talk to russia's president vladimir putin later today and we anticipated on the agenda of that phone call, syria and, of course, the fight against isis. >> all right. i need my panel to weigh in. gentlemen, trump advisors have said the president being silent on human rights violations as far as some of those foreign
leaders go is simply part of his strategy. when he looks back on how it went for president obama, there wasn't great success, not that he condones it, it's simply a strategy. do you buy any of this? >> it is consistent in a way with what he said in the campaign. talk about like vladimir putin during the campaign and trump's message was basically we ought to put those differences aside and think about what we can can do together on isis. he was asked in an interview after the election i think it was look at all the human rights abuses in russia, his answer was flip and said you think we're clean and we don't have a history with that sort of thing in this country. he's conveyed that attitude before. it's definitely a break with what you have john mccain describing there, sort of a what ronald reagan projected. a break of what recent presidents projected. it's not coming out of nowhere rhetorically from this president. he has talked this way since getting into the race. >> john mccain has condemned lots of things the president has said but doesn't seem to be
changing strategy. one could say president obama, you know, he worked with cuba, is it the issue of inviting one to the white house the highest honor? where is the biggest offense here? >> just that the president clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, especially when it comes to asia. there's so many examples of this, but when he said my ten-minute conversation which the chinese president informed me that north korea is more complicated, remember, he didn't under we had a two china policy, stepped into that in the transition period and backed away. i am certain he does not know that kim jong-un has never met with a foreign head of state, never left his country as far as we know. this would be the most unprecedented breaking of -- >> oh, mike doesn't know. pay me $2 any time someone says unprecedented on this program. >> oh, darn. >> yes. i have the 2. a jefferson $2 bill. but the thing that you would hope is the whole, smart people will inform him so at least he could talk to his ambassador to south korea, the person he
appointed to be undersecretary of east asia and pacific affairs, there are none, he doesn't have those people. he talked from the gut. he has to try to dig is way out of it. his adviser will say it's part of an overall strategy. it's not. i don't know how dangerous it it is or increase killings in the philippines, it might, i don't know if we'll get anywhere with north korea, i doubt this meeting will happen, but speaking from a place of ignorance clearly. >> some advisors. others have said they see no point in all of the talking the president has been doing in the last 24 hours and took to twitter, i want to pull up a couple tweets, president trump on twitter, the reason for the plan negotiated between the republicans and democrats is that we need -- talking health care, we need 60 votes in the senate, which we are not there, we either -- excuse me we either elect more republican senators in 2018 or change the rule now, 51%. our country needs a good
shutdown in september to fix this mess. the president all over the map. >> that's the budget deal he's talking about. >> excuse me the budget. we are all over the map. >> what he's doing right there is reacting to some of the criticism he's getting, i think rush limbaugh said what's the point of electing republicans if this is the kind of deal we're going to get. the problem here is, from the republican the conservative standpoint is right, you've got the house, got the senate, you've got the issue of government funding coming up -- >> and now i need to change the vote to make it easier for myself. >> right. and they -- so what you had was donald trump had to give up funding for the wall. that was the thing he said he was willing to fight on funding for the wall and then he folded on it so there he is trying to explain it and that's interesting there. so this government funding thing runs through september, and he's right now, this is -- he talks a lot but right now at least he's suggesting get to september, maybe we have a big shutdown showdown and hinting at trying to get senate rules changed. >> doesn't this seem -- >> the wall and planned
parenthood. >> doesn't this seem odd. the reason i was tuned in to the budget i've moved on. the budget is the one thing the president could actually tick off his list, got that done, you've seen republicans on tv in the last 24 hours saying look at this beautiful bipartisan win. >> not -- not conservative -- his base. rush limbaugh was going after him on this. i would read that as a response to conservative talk radio and rush limbaugh in particular. >> it does play into what we were talking about before health care and that we're seeing signs of a blame the senate strategy. so maybe when we were saying why would he rush to get it through the house, how will that pass the senate, he's showing a blame the senate strategy here, maybe that's how the health care vote will play out too. >>. >> i have a headache already. thank goodness you're here. >> you get my $2. >> guess what else is happening today, mike's mom is watching. next president trump shakes up wall street, saying he's considering breaking up the big banks. plus, a possible gas tax that could hit you hard when you go to fill up your tank.
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welcome back. time for my favorite part of the show, talking money, power, politics. president trump sent wall street reeling for a bit when he said yesterday he may go after the big banks. >> we are looking at that. some people want to go back to the old system, right. so we're going to look at that. we're looking at it right now as we speak and dodd/frank is going to be very, very seriously changed so the banks can go back to loaning money. >> i'll believe it when i see it. our msnbc anchor and business correspondent ali vel she here to help me, steve and mike still here. first, president trump winking, we'll look at breaking up the big banks. first, walk us through what that
means. >> all right. so there used to be in the depression era something called glass steagall which made rules which said if you are a bank that takes people's deposits you can take it and lend it out to other people for a little more interest. that's how banks made money. the spread between what they lent out and took in. if you were a commercial or investment bank you financed the purchase of businesses and that's how you made your money. neither of the banks traded stocks to make money. what happened is this got whittled down over the years until 1999 when it got completely eliminated and everybody could do everything. so the danger was, once we got the recession around 2007, banks were doing all sorts of other things to make money. trading, doing risky things, with money that was deposited and when we got to the financial crisis, when the banks -- when we found out the banks were doing weird things the bottom line it was your money they were doing it with. >> they could go to the fdic window and get free money, trading derivatives.
>> too big to fail. it's okay if the bank was trading its money and failed but it was trading your money. >> ali, let's get real. president trump throws this out there, and he's not the only one, gary cohn mentioned it before, too, but the likelihood we're going to see this happen, given the magnitude of things on president trump's plate, this ain't going to happen. >> given the mnuchin and gary cohn is his advisors and goldman has a seat at the table -- >> a wink to bernie sanders' supporters. i'm still with you. >> when the president says for sure something is going to happen, the wall will get built and the mexicans are going to pay for it it doesn't necessarily happen. when this came out you would think under normal circumstances when a president said something this big the bank stocks would have cratered yesterday and they didn't. nobody really believes it. nobody really cares. now that said, there's something to what he says. the banks are not only too big to fail but bigger than they were in the financial crisis. there are a lot of people who think there should be something done here. nobody really believes donald
trump's going to be the one to do it. >> isn't he mischaracterizing and guess what, we're going to repeal dodd/frank so banks will be lending again, first of all, banks haven't stopped lending and pulling back dodd/frank is not helping a small business person in ohio that can't get a loan, it's hooking up the banks who can get back to the business they want to be in? >> that's exactly right. banks haven't been lending largely because credit requirements went up and americans fell underneath the required amount of credit. what we've seen over the last few years is businesses and individuals are getting up to where they were before the recession so you'll find that if you as an individual, i'll give you an example, an individual and you have a credit score of 7 -- 720 points you'll get the best mort again at this point. that's what it is this isn't regulation it's the fact that we were in a pickle. >> is there any chance when you look at the president raising this idea maybe he will reinstate a gas tax, he even referenced he knows a trucker out there and the trucker said maybe i'm going to have to pay more but as long as the roads with will be better he will pay
for the infrastructure package, are we going to see that happen for those everyday americans where how much they pay at the pump really matters? >> the last time they raised the federal gas tax was in 1993 and it actually set off pretty much a revolt at the ball lot back. the republicans ran against it, bill clinton's gas tax hike with income tax hikes on the wealthy, the largest tax increase in world history the republican revolution of 1994 no president has touched it since then. it is interesting to hear him float this. the bigger question of infrastructure has hung there since the election that's the one where you can see there being buy inn from democrats. when you look at a republican president who won with traditional democratic voters in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, you know the states and places, that's the one that they've been waiting for him to move on. is he going to do it with an import tax, with the gas tax he's saying now. some way he can come up with financing this. there are actually democrats there you could see who would be open to this.
that would be a big win, a big policy win that he could put on the board and also say hey, i got bipartisan cooperation. >> is it a win for president trump to have wilbur ross by his side? congress secretary often there for photo opportunities, wilbur ross in l.a. this week for the conference, if you don't know who he is, look up michael millken, put it into context. making comments was talking about the night we bombed syria and we all had dinner at mar-a-lago and the after dinner entertainment for xi jinping was the news that president trump had bombed syria. let's just get our head around that and even went on -- guess what, it was -- we didn't have to pay for entertainment. you did, because that bombing cost $60 million. but a president saying i am the man of the people, how do you have someone saying this standing next to you. >> rules where journalists we both know wilbur ross that's disgusting. that's disgusting. after dinner entertainment is not killing people even if
they're bad people or people you don't know. it's disgusting. i'm going to give wilbur credit for the fact that in the business world you can say that, in the political public service world you can't. i hope there's an apology forthcoming. >> referenced what it's like going on air force one, it's fantastic and makes up for flying coach the rest of the time. i'm going to take a leap here, i'm going to guess wilbur ross doesn't fly coach often. >> legendary billionaire industrialist, that's why he's there, and not a politician. that's why he made a mistake like that. >> well -- >> reminds me of ross perot the only billionaire populous used to say every politician in america should fly coach and have their luggage lost once a month to stay in touch with the people. >> i'm pretty sure there's no billionaire that's going to do that any time soon. thank you so much. ali, thank you for waking up early. >> my pleasure to be with you. no better reason than to wake up early than hang out with you my friend. >> we'll play that over and over the rest of the hour. next a member of the trump administration joins us next,
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welcome back. it is time for your morning primer, everything you need to know to get your day started. 25 people arrested monday after peaceful mayday marches turned violent in portland. police canceled all protest permits after self-described anarchists began throwing rocks, lead balls full cans of pepsi and incendiary devices. one college student killed and another three injured on a stabbing spree on the university of texas austin campus monday. 21-year-old student was taken into custody, but has not been charged. and a few hundred miles north of dallas, a paramedic is in critical but stable condition this morning, after being shot while responding to a call on
monday. after a massive manhunt, the suspected gunman was found dead from self-inflicted wounds from a home nearby. police say it was a dispute between neighbors gone wrong. a massive writers strike narrowly avoided early this morning. the writers guild of america has reached a tentative agreement with major studios for a new contract for the union's nearly 13,000 members to remain on the job. and finally, the tony award nominations are out, leading the pack this year with 12 nominations is natasha pierre the comic of 1812. other nominees including bette midler, sally field. >> all right. you know i'm going to like this one, today it is day two of national small business week, celebrated every year since 1963. recognizing the critical contributions of america's entrepreneurs and small business owners. a celebration of the american dream. and several key issues being debated in washington could
impact small businesses to name a few, president trump's tax plan and the republicans' health care bill. joining me is the new administrator of the small business administration, linda mcmahon. welcome. >> thank you, stephanie. great to be here. >> thank you. you are out this week on the small business tour across the country. what's it all about? >> it is celebrating small businesses. there are approximately 29 million small businesses and almost half of all american employees are employed in small businesses and it's the engine of our economy, backbone of our economy, so i'm visiting different businesses and the districts, sba has 68 districts around the country so today i'm in new york, tomorrow i'm in indiana, then i'm in dallas on thursday and fresno on friday. so it's a full week. >> we know that small business sentiment is up since the election. many have said they were sort of strangled by the threat of regulation, but taxes matter. president trump is looking to cut corporate taxes, but when you look at small businesses,
when you really look at this bill, it's sort of the ultrarich who have their own finance arms, own mom and pop financial adviser, stock broker, but most pay less than 15%. so if your average small business out there, how does the new tax plan really help them? >> i can tell you what they're telling me. and when we had our kickoff yesterday in washington, and i had about 250 small businesses we were talking to and without fail, they really talked about what a benefit the tax reduction could be for them. >> where? >> pardon me? if they're only paying 15% where is the benefit? >> they are paying more than 15%. most have s corporations or llc and that pass through is taxed at ordinary income rates. if they have the 15%, that's going to be more money in their pocket and told me we'll spend that money on marketing dollars, hiring new employees and on expanding our businesses.
>> when you look at health care, that's another issue. small businesses, many were saying, obamacare was tough for them, they couldn't afford to pay their employees. when we look at the new health care bill, it could really cost a lot more. especially those who hire older workers. now that you're going to be scaled by your age, some could have to pay 500% more. how do you weigh in on this, should you weigh in on this in terms of health care reform because it matters so much to small businesses? >> well, it does matter. i'll tell you, when i have been out and visiting small businesses, in fact, when i ran for the senate in connecticut, in 2010, those small businesses with would actually show me their premium bills that had doubled and sometimes tripled from the year before. so i think that we are going to have health care reform that is going to be beneficial to small businesses. i don't think it's going to raise their premiums. i think it's going to reduce their premiums. they want to be able to provide insurance for their employees and they can't afford to do it.
>> do we know that the current bill has to change, though, to satisfy them? when i look at the numbers small businesses could pay up to 500% more for older workers. do you believe that the current amendments need to be changed again, because that would really be discriminatory to older workers? it would say to small businesses you want to hire the young folks? >> well, i think it remains to be seen what the health care bill is going to finally come out to be. i know it's the goal of the president clearly to make it much more beneficial to small businesses. >> when you look at the regulations that many have said are making it hard for their businesses to grow, are there specific ones that need to be changed? because right now, it's that sentiment, people are excited and president trump has said, if you want to put a new regulation i'm going to need you to get rid of two. where? what is it that is the roadblock? >> when i'vealked to small business owns it isn't necessarily any one particular regulation. it is the onerous amount of
paperwork and compliance that has to go on. a small business owner is often the ceo and the janitor and they're doing everything. and they don't have a staff of accountants or lawyers to comply with these regulations. and it's just really tough for them. a lot of times they are not being compliant because they don't even know what the regulation is. and i've tuckalked to many smal businesses fined for things they didn't know about or have an opportunity to make it right. it was called instant fine, pay now, correct it or pay again. that's not fair. >> take me inside the white house. there's so much criticism. even in the last 24 hours president trump has said a lot of aggressive things, whether it's or things that didn't make sense, andrew jackson, the president of the philippines, calling kim jong-un a smart cookie, you spend time in the white house with the president. what is he actually like? because from our perspective, things seem pretty crazy right now. >> well i'm not actually in the white house all that often.
sba headquarters are, you know, several blocks away from the white house. and that's where i'm really focused. but yesterday i was at the white house speaking to community bankers and they are very excited about the potential of regulatory reform and so are our small businesses because they've not been able to have access to capital during this time of regulatory reform -- during the time of dodd/frank. their hands were tied and what they told me was, you know, we know our customers better in the community. we know who we can take a risk on. okay. it may look iffy over here but he has a great track record. when dodd/frank came in they could not make those loans and it did impact them. sba, what we do with the guarantee loan programs, is to make a lot more of those loans available. so, you know, we're seeing an increase in our loan portfolio, businesses are growing, we -- ooins about 56,000 people we counselled last year and it was
amazing. we're happy. it was a million we counselled all across the country. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> enjoy the tour. i want you to look at this. some other god news, markets just opened -- good news, markets opened and up 40 points almost this morning. six minutes into the trading ta. we saw the slight dip yesterday off financials when president trump implied he might look to break up the banks and you had a recovery and now things are chugging on. we're going to take break. next, any minute now, the ceo of united oscar munoz is slated to testify in front of congress after last month's violent removal of a passenger and we are -- hope you're not going to have to look at this again. look at this. two passengers on a flight from japan to the u.s., got into an all-out brawl captured on video. witnesses say the man in red was drunk and assaulted another passenger and a flight attendant before the fists started flying.
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oversight of u.s. airline customer service. joining me is travel industry analyst and strategist with atmosphere research henry and alove with steve kornacki and mike pesca. i want to start with you, united, they did something wrong they settled with dr. dao. they changed their policies within the company. why is he testifying today? >> i think the congress people want to make the spectacle. united quickly rolled out a ten-point plan stating how they would make sure what happened to dr. dao doesn't happen ever again on their planes. they don't want any more of these kerfuffles happening. they don't want their planes being wrestling matches. you just talked about the flight from japan. it's wrong. but i think washington, d.c., wants to be seen as grilling the airlines and make sure that the
message is heard. >> okay. . so a grilling will take place, but we're living in a deregulatory environment. president trump is all about taking regulations away. so what's the possible takeaway besides embarrassment for united some. >> look, the airlines have been deregulated for 39 years and so they've been competing in a free market economy, but airlines are easy to pick on. they're big, they're visible. our elected officials need them to get around to get back to and from their hometowns like we all do. but i think that i don't know what they expect to accomplish. i think it is more of a pr spectacle than anything else. i think united deserves to be commended for the actions it's taking. it's just a shame it happened in the first place. >> you know, obviously, it was a terrible incident. >> yes. >> the ceo didn't handle it well the first time but has since corrected it and changed policy. the way you look at this, isn't there some level of like what more can he do?
>> i can think of a one-point plan to correct this. don't beat up your customers. >> it's over and done with. >> i agree. >> any companies with thousands of employees, bad things happen. >> i agree. this is where my libertarian side kicks in. the market should correct, jetblue doesn't overbook. people should buy jetblue and it's also an opportunity for others to undercut united. >> there's been a lot of criticism this week, american airlines, giving raises to employees, some have said listen if you pay your employees more you will get a higher caliber worker. how do you balance the two? shareholders could say airlines barely make any money you shouldn't be paying your employees more, satisfying your shareholders. what's your take? >> absolutely. look, if you don't pay your employees well, you don't have happy employees and you end up with fewer employees. right now there's a shortage of pilots. american has to make sure it's competitive with its pilot pay and its flight attendants are
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jooz you know, 2014 if you were born with congenital heart disease like my son was, there was a good chance you wouldn't be able to get health insurance because you would have a preexisting condition. if your baby is going to die, it shouldn't matter how much money you make. i think that's something, whether you are a republican or democrat or anything else, we all agree on that, right? we do. >> that, of course, is about humanity. that was jimmy kimmel during on emotional monologue about his newborn son's heart condition. his son is okay. this comes as the president and congress are working up a plan to replace obamacare. the focus is whether or not the
new plan will guarantee coverage for americans with preexisting conditions or whether states will turn to what are called high-risk pools. here is what i need to do. i want to break down what exactly the high-risk pools are and how they'll affect our health insurance system. i'm bringing in our medical correspondents. mike torres and steve kornacki and jim torres. how do these pools work? >> essentially what happens is insurance companies divide people into two groups. those who are healthy and don't cost as much to cover and those with preexisting health conditions, anything from cancer down to allergies. they're going to cost the system more especially as the conditions get worse and worse. so they put them in high-risk pools meaning they'll cost the insurance companies more because they spend more money. on top of that, the thing is, it's covering a lot of people in this country. if you look at the graphic right there. one in two americans are estimated to have preexisting
conditions. this is by medicare and medicaid. 86% of older americans, ages 65 to 54 fall into the group. and half of those with sponsored health care, have preexisting conditions. the high-risk pools could potentially be for half of americans. >> steve, when you look at this, couldn't this lead to discriminatory hiring practices, whether it's, you know, conscious or not? if i ran a small business and i was looking at hiring someone who is young, looking fit, who is 35, or someone who is qualified and a better candidate but is 68. we know there is pressure to raise the age of retirement given how long people live. won't the high-risk pools affect things like that? >> look, it gets to the heart of the debate today in the house over health care. you have donald trump out there -- the preexisting conditions was probably the most popular selling point for the obamacare overhaul in 2010. just the idea of what you just had jimmy kimmel saying right there. somebody, through no fault of
their own, is afflicted with, born with a condition like this, shouldn't have to pay an astronomical, probably for most unaffordable prices just to have coverage. obamacare said no, it's all flat. everybody pays the same. trump is trying to make the same case right now on how preexisting conditions and high risk pools are handled. he is being contradicted by the american medical association. when you look at the holdout votes on the republican side, that's another thing weighing heavily on them, the idea that, hey, can i go back to my constituents and make the claim that jimmy kimmel made and say we've responded to that. trump is trying to tell them they can. the american medical association is saying they can't. >> the aarp estimates by 2019 when all these things take effect, the average premiums where somebody with preexisting conditions, over $25,000 a year. that's the average premium. the costs will go up. the problem is, the premiums go up and i think the coverage might go down. they may have ceiling on how
much they cover. somebody with cancer, for example, it might get to the point where their disease outlasts the money they have to cover the disease and they can't get treatment anymore. >> before we go to who it covers, i want to share sound from alabama republican mo brooks. >> it will allow insurance companies to require people who have higher health care costs to contribute more to the insurance pool to help offset the costs thereby reducing the cost to those people who lead good lives, they're healthy. they've done the things to keep their bodies healthy. and right now those are the people who have done things the right way that are seeing their costs sky-rocketing. >> it's a slippery slope. he did qualify it and say there are some people who end up with situations of no fault of their own. but to say those who have led a good life, is that not a slippery slope? >> he phrased it poorly. what jimmy kimmel said, we can all agree that sick people deserve coverage. we can't. it's not something that if
you' you're fiscally conservative you have to say some people cost us so much money that it's costing us so much money. you can't get benefits without cost. if you want to cover everybody we'll have enormous costs. we used to have high-risk pools in the states. it cost a lot of money. they didn't not work. they work less well than aca high-risk pools. but these things all have costs. that's the discussion. >> health care is complicated. we have to take a break. we're still keeping an eye on the heads of the major airlines testifying on capitol hill. moments ago oscar muñoz apologized to david dao. >> to keep airlines accountable to their passengers. among other things, it would require -- ♪
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coverage for preexisting conditions. the puzzling 24 hours at the white house. president trump seeming to o outstretch both arms. offering to meet kim jong-un. surprising the staff by inviting the president of the philippines to the white house. today he is set to speak by phone to vladimir putin. >> it's like one of the amusement parks you visited as a kid. you go from the whirling tea cups to the roller fauxescoaste the funhouse. you don't know which way is up because of the president's statement. the head of united airlines testifying before congress. this morning, another video of an all-out fist-fight aboard a u.s.-bound flight being seen around the world. our team is here. mike on capitol hill. peter alexander at the white house. on set. national reporter for the "new york times." and ch