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conditions. the puzzling 24 hours at the white house. president trump seeming to o outstretch both arms. offering to meet kim jong-un. surprising the staff by inviting the president of the philippines to the white house. today he is set to speak by phone to vladimir putin. >> it's like one of the amusement parks you visited as a kid. you go from the whirling tea cups to the roller fauxescoaste the funhouse. you don't know which way is up because of the president's statement. the head of united airlines testifying before congress. this morning, another video of an all-out fist-fight aboard a u.s.-bound flight being seen around the world. our team is here. mike on capitol hill. peter alexander at the white house. on set. national reporter for the "new york times." and chief white house correspondent for politico and
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michael steele, the former senior adviser to jeb bush and john boehner. mike, to you. on the hill on monday trying to whip up support. where do things stand on health care? >> reporter: vice president mike pence was on the hill yesterday. he's due on the hill again today, trying to find support among wavering house members. it's still touch and go. it does not appear that republican leadership has the votes necessary at this point, early on a wednesday morning, to move forward by putting this new health care bill, this new iteration of the republican health care plan on the hill. we've heard from many members trickling out of this meeting. we are in the basement of the capitol. the republicans holding the closed door meetings. arms being twisted. people being cajoled. we're told that president trump himself has been on the phone with some wavering members. congressman lou bar leta, a
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republican from pennsylvania. told reporters he had concerns that were allayed by a long conversation, in his description, with president trump. we know that a long-time supporter of the republican version of health care reform, billy long of missouri, has now backtracked and said he's against it. why? this controversial provision that's fix, compromise between moderates and conservatives on preexisting conditions essentially allowing states to get a waiver for the obligation to cover everyone with preexisting conditions, offer them insurance that still will be the case. however, critics say the way this will happen will essentially make insurance too expensive for many individuals with preexisting conditions who will effectively be unable to get health insurance. again, chris, touch and go here. at this point we believe they do not have the votes. remember, they're trying to
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snatch this bill from the jaws of defeat. in march they were unable to bring it to the floor at all. they said they were close, but now apparently close again but not there yet. chris. >> we're going to have much more on this. mike, thank you. we have breaking news for you right now that's just coming in to us. former south carolina police officer has agreed to plead guilty in the killing of an unarmed black man. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins us now. this was one of the videos, pete, that so many people saw, formed an opinion. now it looks as though we have a plea deal? >> reporter: apparently, according to sources familiar with the case. this is the case of walter scott, the black man who was seen in this video running away from police officer michael slager two years ago in south carolina. police officer initially said that the man was trying to grab his weapon, but according to a federal indictment -- and this is a civil case, a civil charge
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filed by the justice department last year against the police officer, accused him of violating walter scott's civil rights, using a gun in a crime and lying to investigators about it. the indictment said that slager repeatedly fired his weapon when scott was running away from him, but now, according to sources familiar with the case, he is going to plead guilty. there was a previously scheduled court hearing today on this issue as the -- they were getting ready for the trial, it was going to start later this month. the time for that hearing has been moved later in the day to 2:30. the court hasn't yet said exactly what it is, whether it's a change of plea or not. but according to legal sources familiar with the case, this is the plan. now, according to the original indictment, the maximum on the civil rights charge and all of the attending charges was life in prison. there won't be any sentence today. that will happen later. in federal court you always get the plea and then a pre-sentence
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investigation and then the sentencing some months later. so we won't know today what potential punishment he may face, but the maximum if he had been convicted was life in prison. >> pete williams with that breaking news. again, a plea deal in the case of a shooting of walter scott. pete, thank you for that. let's shift back to washington where it has been a wild 24 hours for president trump. shifting u.s. foreign policy by praising some of the world's most oppressive leaders. peter alexander is at the white house for us. peter, some of the comments we're learning even surprised members of his own staff. what's going on? >> reporter: it appears clear that president trump is confident that his skills as a deal-maker may even apply to despots. the president will be speaking with vladimir putin. the third time the two men have spoken since president trump took office, the first time since president trump notably said the relationship between the two countries was at an
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all-time high, also the first time they've spoken since the air strikes in syria. president trump was critical of vladimir putin for effectively allowing the civil war in syria to continue this way. as we keep an eye on that, a lot of people are keeping a close eye, and even some red flags have been raised, about the way the president has spoken with the world's notable leaders, kim jong-un, saying he would be honored to meet him. that would be the first time a sitting american president had met with a north korean leader. saying he would be honored to meet him if as he described it the circumstances were right. this is something that individuals throughout capitol hill and the country have been raising flags about, notably john mccain saying this would, in effect, grant legitimacy to one of the world's bad actors right now. separately, in the philippines, what was striking was that president trump, during the course of a phone conversation this weekend, invited rodrigo duterte. he is the leader there who has
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called or extra judicial killings of individuals in the country in an effort to try to crack down on the drug epidemic there, saying that he would be glad to meet with him at the white house. the white house says the president is briefed on these individuals before those calls take place, but is certainly raising some questions about exactly how the president chooses to engage with foreign leaders, certainly with foreign leaders who have reputations as bad as kim jong-un and rodrigo duterte. chris. >> to my panel. yamiche, what's the white house play? >> that is a diplomacy of impulse. this is someone whom i think the world leaders have realized, to get on his good side they have to flatter him and talk him up. if they do that they can win the small battle and get what they need out of him. i think he's still weighing the weight of his office, but i think he's also saying these are people who sound decent on the
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phone so i'm going to do that. when i talk to republicans that's what they feel. they are shocked but they feel like it's off impulse. >> shane. people are shocked by a lot of things. for example, gas tax. we're talking about the potential of nuclear war, the security of the korean peninsula. what are you hearing about not how congress is reacting, because a lot of them have been pretty vocal about it, but within the white house, within his cabinet. are they all being caught by surprise? >> some of this is definitely catching them by surprise. they haven't pre-planned all these public announcements. you see trump has done a big slew of public interviews. in every interview he says something that his staffers are like, oh, what do we do with this information. we'll have a tax plan next wednesday? we didn't know that. we have to come up with one. we're going to have a infrastructure plan. with the foreign leaders, the best way to understand trump's world view is strength and weakness. he sees people who are known as
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dictators in america but he recognizes their strength. there was a debate where he was citing vladimir putin's poll numbers in russia. he just cited the support for duterte. he has a respect for strength, and he doesn't like weakness. so that goes against some of the sort of traditional views of american foreign policy but that's how much how trump is grounded when it comes to most interactions. >> i want to let people know. we're continuing to watch paul ryan. we want to know what he says about what he thinks the possibilities are of a vote on health care. we'll bring that to you. michael, this isn't just duterte and kim. this is part of a pattern. we can show you in graphic form some of the other leaders he's said nice things about. president erdogan, the egyptian president, known for torture and disappearances. he said he was doing a fantastic job. in thailand, a guy who took power in a coup and has been
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jailing dissidents. he also gave him a white house invitation. we all know he has this, you could call it a bromance with president xi. he says they've bonded together. he has called him a very good man. highly respected. the big-picture question to the point of what yamiche was talking about, is it worth turning a blind eye to documented records of brutality and oppression if you think on the other side there is either peace on the korean peninsula or real progress in the fight against terrorism? >> i think we are seeing two different things play out here. one, the president has always had a shoot from the hip style with foreign policy. many republicans were reassured when he put the senior and widely respected team around him. sometimes the team seems to supply the tradition and consistency and background that you would expect. other times the president fairly acts on his own. his foreign policy views are rooted in an america-first foreign policy. it doesn't matter how foreign dictators treat their people, it matters what they can do for the
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united states' interest. that's a profound shift from the past 50 years, if not longer, of america foreign policy. >> in the meantime, you also -- we talk about people being caught by surprise. then that leads to, like, a messaging problem, right? because the right hand often doesn't know what the left hand is doing. talking about kim jong-un and an invitation to duterte. let's listen to a little bit about what some of the conversation has been around this. take a listen. >> if it would be appropriate for me to meet with him, i would absolutely -- i would be honored to do it. >> and that was what killed a lot of people, right, to say that he would be honored to do it. people expect donald trump to be unconventional, yamiche, in his style. yet, in these cases, there is not just a domestic political audience as he had largely within the campaign but he has an international audience that
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wonder what he is thinking about this. >> i wonder in some ways as he is making these comments it does go back to the fact like what can this person do for me and how will this person reflect on me? are they saying things that make me feel that they respect me as an american and respect me as a leader. you go back to the point of he likes the idea of strong people. i don't know if he -- in some ways at least when i talk to republicans, i don't know if they really weigh what he's saying as deeply as people on the hill or even other leaders do. when you look at republicans they're like, he said that, look at what he said about nafta, syria and all these other things and then changes his mind. next week he could say, i would do it as my responsibility as the president of the united states. this allows him to backtrack. i wouldn't be surprised if he says next week, oh, i was just talking. i didn't actually mean i would
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be honored. >> it also gives another opportunity for somebody like duterte to say, you know, i think i'm too busy for you. i have other things going on. on two levels it can be a problem. >> he got a little dismissed by a foreign leader. michael's point was a good one. this is a break from traditional american foreign policy. he does have some way to describe it. he wants what these countries can do for the american people. they're not translating that. they're not saying why the philippines. something about north korea but what specifically? you aren't seeing the concessions you would want to see in order to extend the olive branches from an american president to foreign leaders who are dictators and despots. you want to see the concrete things coming back. >> michael, i don't want to put you in the impossible position of trying to sort of channel donald trump. but he is going to be speaking to vladimir putin today. what do you imagine that that conversation is going to go like? >> well, most republicans, when they think about their foreign
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policy idol, they think about ronald reagan. donald trump has always spoken of his admiration for richard nixon, who had the idea, the madman theory, that a certain amount of unpredictability in an american president kept others on their toes. there may be a method to his madness. >> what do you think, yamiche? you watched him closely. we were both on the campaign trail. we followed this step by step. there clearly has not been the morphing it's been said widely some were hoping for. >> there hasn't been a morphing. there has been a staying true to himself. he is donald trump. he is someone who wants to make his decisions impulsively. i remember being on the campaign trail and driving for an hour in the middle of north carolina. we were thinking, he could have gone all these different places. where is he going. he knew that there were 10,000 people there. he had a strategy going for him. maybe there is a strategy. when you think about what he's doing to canada, to mexico. you think about the decisions he is making in terms of terrorists
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and trade. he is saying, i could be meeting with these people, but i want to do this. maybe there is a level of method to the madness. i also think that, if your own staff is shocked by what you're doing, it tells you that the method is not shared with everybody there. >> yamiche, shane, thank you. michael, appreciate it very much. live look at capitol hill now. this is where airline executives are facing really tough questions about what in the world is going on on board planes. the hearing comes hours after someone reported yet another video of two passengers. this is unbelievable! literally coming to blows on board a flight from tokyo to los angeles. what should airlines be doing, and what role should the federal government play? an in-depth look at what's at stake here, after the break. i can't wait for her to have that college experience that i had. the classes, the friends, the independence.
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. live on capitol hill. paul ryan with the leadership there of republicans. we'll keep watching this because we're waiting to see what he thinks the whip count is on whether or not they can have health care revisited, passed or voted on at least this week. they say they won't vote unless they know they have the votes. stay tuned for that. in the meantime. let's take a live look at the house transportation hearing where airline ceos are in the cross-hairs after recent high-profile incidences. airline insiders say they're running at capacity and under increasing strange.
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a dramatic case in point. video overnight showing fists flying between two passengers on an al nippon flight from tokyo to los angeles. the passenger who took the video tells nbc news the man in the red yelled "you think i'm crazy? the government is crazy" before leaving the plane. the ceo of united airlines testifying after a doctor was dragged off an overbooked flight last month. >> we had a horrible failure three weeks ago. it is not this company and it's not this industry. we will work incredibly hard to reearn not your business necessarily but your trust because that's the most important thing that we have -- we have for the customers around the world. more importantly as we have proven over the course of the last week our actions will speak longer than our words. we will do better. >> i am joined by doug kid, director of the national association of airline passengers.
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back with me michelle sinnedor of the "new york times" and shane goldmacher of politico. this is not our industry is what he says, doug. is he right? >> by and large he is. any business, you try to be on good terms with your customers. but the airlines have been pushed, as you said, pretty much to the limit. they are flying full flights. they've cut back the number of flight attendants that are on the plane so that everybody is working that much harder. there is a lot of pressure to get things done, to get out of the gate on time. >> people do seem exhausted. you go on the flights and sometimes you feel for the flight attendants. they look like they've been beaten up. >> they do. and they're not getting enough rest. >> excuse me. the question becomes whether or not there needs to be some sort of legislation. obviously they would argue, we're making changes, we're policing ourselves, but are they? >> it's one thing to police yourselves from the headquarters level. you need to get out in the field and see what's happening to people who are in the field and
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talk to the flight attendants themselves. they will tell you they are not getting enough rest. there are fewer of them on the plane. they are having to work that much harder because the planes are now full instead of half capacity. the passengers are coming onto the plane, they've already been hit at the check-in counter with a fee. they've gone through security which can be traumatic in itself and now they're getting on a flight that's full. chances are in a seat that's too small with too little leg room. it's pushing everybody up to the boiling point. >> for people who don't fly a lot, a lot of this is confusing, frankly. i see that a l. i have to tell you, i thought that,hen the first -- when the video came out of the united airlines, dr. dao being pulled off the plane, i thought, this is a golden opportunity, man, for congress. they have zero percent approval ratings. they could step in and say, here is what we're going to do. ride to the rescue. yamiche, any sign that there is any interest in doing anything besides having a hearing?
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>> a hearing -- as you know, capitol hill has hearings, they drag people in, make them talk about this. whether or not they're really going to do this with so much else on their plate to actually put the political capital to say we're going to look into airlines and change their policies. it seems like a hard-fought things. when i talk to republicans, they're talking about all the other things they want to get done. this could be a good thing for congress to do because i think it could be bipartisan. congress could actually pass legislation this year. and as someone who flies a lot, i think i am often sitting on the plane thinking, i did not know that they could drag me off of the plane. i didn't know they could tell me, we're oversold and now an employee needs to get to work, so you need to come off the plane. i fly hundreds of flights all the time and i didn't know that. you check the box that says, yes, i believe in these terms and conditions and then you get on the plane. i thought, wow, i didn't realize my rights. >> that's the question. is this a learning experience
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for all of us? >> congress too is learning about some of those rules. i think today you'll see some bipartisanship. they'll be happy to make the ceo of united airlines look bad and say we're here for the passengers. we're trying to protect you. whether they follow it up with legislation, less likely. bipartisanship happens in those moments in hearings, it's harder when you come up with what would such a bill actually say. >> there are things united airlines is doing. we can show you after the incident. up to $10,000 for passengers willing to take a later flight, limiting the use of police, and for safety and all these things. is that enough? is that going to quiet the concerns? >> there is more that they could do. >> what's on the top of your priority list as somebody who cares about passenger rights? >> well, right off the top, one of the things the airlines could do would be to change their method of overbooking flights. anybody, when they buy a ticket
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says, okay, i have a confirmed reservation. if a plane only has 100 seats how do you sell 105 confirmed reservations. we'd like to see the airline, once they've filled the plane with confirmed reservations, everybody else should be standby. so people, when they buy a ticket, they know i have a confirmed reservation that really is a confirmed reservation. if they're buying a standby ticket, okay, i know there will be no-shows. i have a good chance of getting on the plane. if i don't. that's the breaks. >> you know, if you have a ticket and a seat, you'll be able to get on the plane. we have to go. are air marshals allowed to intervene in these situations? i saw the blows on the flight last night. the fairly diminutive flight attend looked like she was going to get into the middle of it. >> they're not trained to be
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referees. >> can air marshals step into those situations? >> yes. if there is one on the plane. i have flown on ana many times. usually it's a quiet and peaceful flight. >> most are. when you are in the middle of it it's a scary thing. from the skies to the roads. president trump saying he would consider raising the federal gas tax. how that will go over on capitol hill and the impact on you, the driver. that's next. the average family's hectic home: its raised 1 dare devil, 2 dynamic diy duos, and an entrepreneur named sharon. its witnessed 31 crashes, 4 food fights, and the flood of '09. it's your paradise perfected with behr premium plus low odor paint.
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back now with a look at this morning's headlines from d.c. north korea has vowed to accelerate its nuclear weapons program to maximum pace after to u.s. bombers flew in training drills with south korean and japanese air force. according to the pentagon, the number of reports of sexual assault in the u.s. military has reached a record high. 6,000 cases in 2016 alone. officials believe the number is a sign of servicemembers' trust in the system where under-reporting was significant in the past. hillary clinton will speak at the women's international annual luncheon in new york city today. focusing on the role of women in
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global peace and security. a quick look at wall street. stocks are relatively flat in this first hour of trading. a day after some bank stocks briefly took a nose-dive after president trump said for the first time as president he is considering breaking up the nation's biggest banks. >> we are looking at that. some people that want to go back to the old system, right? we're going to look at that. we're looking at it right now, as we speak. dodd/frank is -- is going to be very, very seriously changed so that banks can go back to loaning money. >> msnbc's ali velshi joins me. unpack what the president is talking about when it comes to these regulations and what it all means. >> the legislation he is stalking about, glass-steagall, was put into place during the depression. it was designed to mean that commercial banks, the banks you
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put your deposits into and lend money, they make money between the spread that they pay depositors and that they charge lenders. commercial banks would have to be separate from other types of banks like investment banks and, you know, those kinds of things. so you didn't have this danger where you would take people's deposit money and put it into high-risk investments. that was taken away to sort of give the banks more freedom in 1999. but it had been whittled away for a long time. there are a lot of people who say that, in 2008, when the financial crisis came, it wouldn't have been as dangerous if a lot of these banks that held people's deposits were not able to make risky investments with them. so what donald trump is talking about is going back to this idea that banks have different roles, that they -- those who want to invest, make riskier investments can't take customer deposits. a lot of people actually think this is a good idea. i would say, donald trump didn't say it with a great deal of
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conviction, suggesting this is actually going to happen. he often makes promises with a great deal of conviction and those things don't happen anyway. given that he sort of said we'll take a look at it, the stock market reaction to his comments suggests nobody thinks it will actually happen. >> meantime, he talked about maybe a gas tax, a raising of the gas tax, which we haven't seen since 1993. after he met with some truckers. what are the pros and cons of this? >> the pros of it are, when gas prices are relatively low as they have been, if you increase this tax, which hasn't been increased in a long time, you can use it to deal with what everybody agrees is our crumbling infrastructure, our road infrastructure. the opposite side of this is that, when you're dealing with infrastructure deficiencies like we have in the united states, you don't really need to do it this way necessarily. there are lots of creative ways to fund infrastructure, including bonds or when it comes to roads using tolls, things
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like that. this is something that democrats can get behind. it's certainly harder to do when gas is $4 a gallon and you have this extra tax on it. as gas comes lower, many people have said that politicians should think about this when gas prices are low because the public will feel the pinch a lot less than they would when prices are high. >> ali. thank you. let me get back to yamiche and shane. how serious is he about this stuff? if it's just trial balloons, how can you send up in one day? >> if you're donald trump, you have learned that you can say a lot of stuff and become president of the united states without following it through and that the people who have supported you, the people i've talked to before and after he was elected, talked about him as a wild card. understanding that they kind of are interested in this. the thing with the gas tax that to me makes it somewhat questionable how long he could actually do this and if he could actually carry it through, rural voters, and people who have to get in their cars to drive places, many of the places that voted for donald trump would be hit with this personally. this just wouldn't be health
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care that would also be very personal, but this is something that people will feel in their pockets and will make people's lives harder instantly. >> immediately. on the other hand, who do you know who hasn't complained about roads, bridges, you know, and the whole idea is then this money would go and help to alleviate some of those problems. >> i think trump's answer on both of those questions was more of a trump verbal tic than a policy change. if you ask him, would you consider raising the gas tax. i would consider anything. he is on both sides of that. even on the big banks side. we'll look at breaking up the big banks. we'll fix dodd/frank. dodd/frank is trying to put constraints on the banks. you're doing both in the same paragraph. i don't put a lot of weight that these will be the long term approaches of the trump organization. >> neither of you would bet these are anything real. thank you all for joining us. we'll turn to the fight over health care next. president trump insisting that
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. the purpose of our bill is to get more choices, to lower prices, while preserving the protections for preexisting conditions. so that is a very important thing. we are excited about this policy. we're making very good progress with our members and our president has been instrumental in that. >> the speaker and gop leadership this morning in another fight to get the health care proposal ready for a vote. a key issue is coverage for those with preexisting conditions. the president telling "bloomberg news" yesterday that the bill is not in its final form and that it will be, quote, every bit as good on preexisting conditions as obamacare. but the current bill allows states to side-step protections for those with preexisting conditions, a provision aimed at winning over conservatives but that could mean weaker coverages and higher premiums. dr. john torres joins me now. let's get to it. republicans say these high-risk pools, which is their
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alternative, are the answer. what exactly are they, and how would they affect coverage? >> they divide people into two different groups. one group is healthy so their health care premiums could be lower. a second pool are people with health conditions. anything from cancer all the way down to allergies or high blood pressure. they'll cost the system more so they're put into the high risk pool. the issue, as you saw in the graphic, this is a lot of people in this country who would be covered under the preexisting conditions or possibly put into the high risk pool. one in two americans 86% of people 55 to 64, and even 50% of people who will have employer-sponsored health care or health insurance. over half of us are potentially in the high risk pool area. many people don't realize right now that they might be put into the high-risk pools. >> that could mean, looking at the 55 to 64 and above and
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people on fixed incomes, it could mean they have to pay more, right? >> exactly. it's like paying for a toll road. using health care the same as a toll road. the more you use it, the more you pay on a toll road. there is a reason there aren't toll roads all over the country. same with health care. they're trying to say, okay, if you have health problems, you should pay more. your premiums will be higher. what we've seen in the past is the coverage also gets lower. at the same time not only are they paying more but they're not covered as much. that becomes an issue if somebody, say has cancer and needs surgery, chemotherapy. radiation therapy but the coverage only goes up to $75,000, which used to happen preaffordable care act. they get to the point where they're no longer covered and they have a hard struggle trying to get the treatment because of cost issues. >> dr. john torres. thank you so much. >> you bet. we'll have much more on the fallout from president trump's comments about two of the world's most notorious leaders on the other side of the break. plus, one of the president's cabinet secretary's
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killings of people. you can't praise that kind of behavior and not have -- raise concerns around the world. >> senator john mccain this morning on president trump's very friendly talk with philippine president rodrigo duterte. joining me now to talk about this are robert train msnbc political analyst and vice president of communications at the bipartisan policy center and serlena maxwell director of progressive programming for siriusxm. you're president of communications. i think there is no doubt that the comments he has made about strong men around the world are, i would say at the very least unorthodox overtures, but are they potentially dangerous? what do you see in this pattern? >> they they're potentially dangerous. the president of the united states, no matter who he is, carries a lot of weight
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depending on what obviously he says. so, if in fact the president is sending conflicting messages out there to our allies and also to our foes around the world, people get confused. they're trying to think whether we mean what we say and say what we do. last time i checked, the last 90 years of foreign policy has said we won't engage north korea because the regime is someone that oppresses its people. that comes from the korean war. and our allies arnoound the wor question whether we'll do what we say. the president's words have weight. there is a reason why it's called the bully pulpit. and i think the president is sending conflicting signals out there that's confusing not only to americans but to our allies around the world. >> from the white house perspective, at least publicly, what they're saying is, it hasn't worked the way we have
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done it before. it's kind of like keep your friends close but your enemies closer. >> yeah. i would agree with that, if i didn't think that the president was essentially doing what he has done all throughout his presidency so far, which is essentially just say whatever is on his mind. it's almost like a stream of consciousness that's happening in realtime. and unfortunately, he is talking about really serious foreign policy issues. and so, he doesn't have a deep understanding of those issues, and so he is sort of talking off the top of his head. and that is really alarming. i agree with robert. you need the president of the united states' words to mean something. foreign leaders are interpreting what the president is saying, so the president has to be careful. we went through eight years of barack obama who was often criticized for speaking sort of with, you know, in a slow pace and saying "um" a lot. that was because he was thinking about what he was going to say next. you have to be very careful when
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you are the president of the united states and commander in chief with what you say. what comes out of your mouth matters. >> hey, chris -- >> maybe we can look at this, yeah, go ahead. >> just quickly. i remember republicans, you know, blowing a head gasket was president obama said he'd meet with the castro reyegime and went to cuba. we have to be consistent with our foreign policy. whether you're republican or democrat. i'm curious to know where the republicans are when the president said that he would do out and meet with kim jong-un. >> there's a bigger picture here about the comments he's made. i see it as a good news/bad news scenario. as a journalist, i think it is good news that he is accessible to the press. he's been giving a lot of interviews, right? the bad news, if you're a member of his staff, he's often saying things that catch you completely by surprise and then he abruptly ended that interview with cbs when they brought up wiretapping. let me play that. >> you saw what happened with
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surveillance. i think that was inappropriate. >> what does that mean, sir? >> you can figure that out yourself. >> you're the president of the united states. you said he was sick and bad -- >> you can take it any way you want. >> i'm asking you. you don't want it to be fake news. i want to hear it from president trump. >> you don't have to ask me? >> why not? >> i have my own opinions and you can have your own. >> i want to know your opinions. you're the president of the united states. >> that's enough. thank you. >> he went and sat down. what did you make of that? >> i think he was uncomfortable, being called out for his wiretapping tweets that were proven false. every time he's confronted with the fact he said something that is untrue, he doesn't have the ability to admit he is wrong. that is a really big problem. you need the president to at least acknowledge when all the facts are presented and known, that your tweet on saturday morning about obama wiretapping trump tower was not true. it has been proven false. there are investigations into
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even covering up some of those misleadi misleading statements in his tweets. i think he was uncomfortable, called out and caught in a lie and he didn't want to admit it. >> sometimes he gets caught in a mistake and he doesn't want to admit it either. >> right. >> yesterday, the civil war being an example of that, here's what he had to say about andrew jackson. >> i mean, had andrew jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the civil war. he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. and he was, he was really angry that -- he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war. he said, there's no reason for this. >> you don't have to be a historian, robert, to see all the problems with this statement, not the least of which is about a 15-year period after jackson had died. but is the criticism overblown? does he need to be a historian to do his job? >> no. the president does not need to be a historian to do his job.
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as you mentioned, andrew jackson died, i believe, 16 years before the civil war started. based on my history, andrew jackson also owned slaves. there's a lot of misperceptions there. look, the president of the united states reserves the right to have his opinions. the president of the united states has the right to talk to press or not to talk to the press. he also reserves the right to end the press conference or media availability when he wants to. i've been in hundreds of press conferences with the united states senators and so forth, and sometimes the questions are awkward. the thing you do is abruptly end it by saying, last question or whatever the case may be. i don't fault him for being a little peeved, but i do fault the president for -- how should i phrase this -- not thinking before he actually speaks in a very declarative way. because i don't think he realizes that people are listening to every single word that comes out of his mouth. stock markets go up and down based on what the president says. and foreign policies, as i said before, foreign entities react
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to what he's saying. so i think that's still a learning curve for him that he has yet to grapple with. >> i wonder if that trick les t some of the rest of his cabinet. commerce secretary wilbur ross said the syrian missile strike was after dinner entertainment at mar-a-lago. obviously, he was in the room when the strike took place. is that part of the overall problem here? look, i don't think that you and i or any other human being on earth, especially people who talk as much as we do, would necessarily want to say on camera everything that we might say in a private conversation. having said that, we're not the commerce secretary and we're not the president of the united states. >> yeah, but i don't think that you or i would say that bombing another country is after dinner entertainment. >> that is true. >> i they what that showed is that this administration continues to be out of touch and is in stark contrast to the populist campaign that donald
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trump ran. so he has a cabinet full of billionaires who are going to be saying things like this when they're in private company with people who are also rich and among friends. just to the andrew jackson point, i really am disturbed by him saying that andrew jackson had a big heart and he was tough and fascinating. he owned slaves when he died. he massacred native americans. we cannot rewrite history in this way. it is really important that the president of the united states understand our own history. if not, how is he going to lead this country? >> thank you so much. robert, as well. thank you both. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back.
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thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live from washington. i'm chris jansing. you can find me on social media, @chris jansing. right now, more news with stephanie ruhle. hey, stephanie. >> thanks so much, chris. right now, a diplomatic dance. president trump says he would be, quote, honored to meet with kim jong-un. that as north korea's state media blames the u.s. for increasing the danger of a nuclear war. we'll have the latest from seoul. deal or no deal? the new gop health care bill still appears to be short of votes. why some republicans are willing to break with the party. i will speak to republican
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congressman jim renacci for his take. airline leaders on the hill testifying about customer rights and service. how the industry is handling its baggage. good morning, everyone. great to be back this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle, sitting in our headquarters in new york. we have to begin this hour with fiery new rhetoric today from north korea. state media there is accusing the u.s. of, quote, pushing the situation on the korean peninsula closer to the brink -- are you listening -- of nuclear war. that as a controversial u.s.-missile system becomes live in south korea. all of this after president trump opened the door to a possible future meeting with north korea's leader, kim jong-un. >> if it would be appropriate for me to meet with

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