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thank you for joining us. always a pleasure. i guess that's it for me this hour. i'll see you back here tomorrow afternoon at 3:00 eastern, noon pacific. you can find me on twitter, facebook and snapchat. thank you for watching. up next, my friend and colleague, steve kornacki. >> good afternoon, live in new york. topping our agenda, hillary is back. >> i'm now back to being an activist citizen and part of the resistance. >> hillary clinton with her fullest explanation yet of who and what she blames for her stunning defeat in last november's election. also on the agenda, here we go again. >> the purpose of our bill is to get more choices, to lower prices while preserving the protection for pre-existing conditions. >> the second time around a republican health care replacement bill making its way through the house and the second time around again it could be on the brink of failure.
what could it take to get this replacement bill through? is it as good as dead if it makes it to the senate? and also how about this, calling for a shutdown. >> that's what's necessaryo do to fix washington d.c., that would be a good shutdown. >> president trump saying that, quote, a good shutdown may be just what washington needs to get its act together. republican leaders have some things to say about that. we will get into that. we will get into much more, but we begin this hour with our top story. hillary clinton back in the spotlight again. the fullest explanation she has offered the public for what she thinks caused her defeat in the 2016 election. now, clinton says she accepts full personal responsibility for the outcome, but she also said that outcome was the result of many factors. clinton also revealing what has offended her most about president trump. take a listen to some of the
things hillary clinton had to say this afternoon. >> i was on the way to winning until a combination of jim comey's letter on october 28th and russian wikileaks raised doubts. i'm now back to being an activist citizen and part of the resistance. i wasn't going to appeal to people's emotions in the same way that my opponent did, which i think is frankly what's getting him into all kinds of difficulties now in trying to fulfill these promises that he made, because you know, health care is complicated. and so is foreign policy. >> did the syria strike work? >> i think it's too soon to really -- >> did you support it? >> yes, i did support it. i didn't publicly support it because there was, you know, that wasn't my role, but i did
support it. but i am not convinced that it really made much of a difference, and i don't know what kind of potential ly back room deals were made with the russians. >> again that was hillary clinton just this afternoon. joining us to talk more about this, let's bring in amy parn, senior white house correspondent. also co-author of the book "shatter "shattered." as well as kristen welker. she spent many months on the trail with the clinton campaign. thanks to both of you for being with us. amy, hillary clinton says she's got a book coming out this fall about the election. you've got one out there right now. the hillary clinton you saw today, it was interesting, she said she takes full personal responsibility for the loss. at the same time, she did spend a lot of time here talking about comey and wikileaks. >> right. it's interesting to see that she
actually -- she's been talking a little bit about this in the weeks leading up to now but she basically said this is the reason. i thought i was going to win. this is what derailed my campaign. of course, she also admits that there are a lot of other reasons and we've seen that. we detailed in our book that her message was askew. something didn't feel quite right. she was a mismatch candidate for the time. but we also see that she is like a -- if you read the pages in her book, we kind of bring out the humanity of hillary clinton, the tough moments. it's hard to be her and i think you'll see that. you see kind of both of those things. >> again, we played a long selection of clips there but here's more specifically hillary clinton at this event this afternoon talking about those final days of the campaign and what she thinks did her in. >> i was on the way to winning until a combination of jim comey's letter on october 28th and russian wikileaks raised doubts in the minds of people
who were wanting to vote for me but got scared off. and the evidence for that intervening event is, i think, compelling, persuasive. >> kristen welker, take us back to that time hillary clinton is talking about, the very end of october. james comey, the fbi director, comes out with that letter to congress saying, hey, we found these new e-mails. we we looking into this. that becomes obviously an explosive story. what was it like in clinton world at that point in the campaign? did they see this as something at the moment that they thought would cost them the election? >> they felt like it was a bombshell, steve. i was on the plane with secretary clinton when the campaign learned about that announcement by fbi director james comey, and moments before we learned about the comey news, they were announcing the fact that they were going to expand their campaign into arizona. and then boom, that hit, and you
could feel the momentum really start to essentially fade from the campaign. if you talk to officials now, they felt like it was a race against the clock and i think that's what you heard secretary clinton reiterate. if you talk to her, former president bill clinton, they really believe that was a pivotal moment and that's when they lost the momentum. having said that, if you talk to a lot of democrats and amy touched on this, there are a host of reasons they think cost her the election in addition to the fact that she just didn't spend enough time reaching out to working class voters in states like pennsylvania that made all the difference in the final analysis. but that moment, steve, there was a sea change. you could tell that they felt as though they were running towards the finish line and then they went on defense and never really recovered. >> amy, let's talk a little bit more about this. this idea that and hillary clinton is saying it there, but for comey in those last ten days, i'm the president right now is essentially what she's saying. on the one hand, there's a pretty straight forward case for
it. you can look at the polling before, look at the polling after. a much tighter race, just close enough for trump to win in the electoral college. you could say comey caused that with the announcement about the news on that. on the other hand, and i think your book gets at this, there were signs for a year and a half of trouble with hillary clinton within the campaign, of trouble in terms of hillary clinton understanding the big picture mood of the country, of how people were responding to hillary clinton, and also i have to say big pture as well just political observers, folks in the media, we consistently, i feel, go back a year and a half in that campaign, we misunderstood how voters were responding to donald trump, what the mood was. i think what i'm saying is i have a question about in those last ten days was there going to be a shift away from clinton no matter what because of big picture factors? >> i think that narrative was always there. there was e-mail, there were her speeches that came out in the wikileaks but still there was this sort of like do i trust hillary clinton kind of narrative out there.
and i think, yes, i think part of it is we saw this rise of populism and she didn't really understand it. we have a scene in the book where she's talking to one of her advisers and skpesing how she feels saying i can't wrap my arms around what's happening in this country, i can't get it. she sees what's happening to bernie sanders and the crowds he's getting and she sees what's happening to donald trump and she can't figure out how she fits into that puzzle and i think that was problematic to her. when you lose by under 80,000 votes i think you can say it's a host of factors that contributed. >> you can point to anything at that point as the reason. there probably isn't one reason and it's probably ultimately an unprovable thing, you could point to anything and not be disproven. another factor she was asked about here, she talked a little about sexism, about misogyny. this is that exchange. listen to that. >> the book's coming out in the fall. >> ju
just to give you a tiny little preview, yes, i do think it played a role. i think other things did as well. every day that goes by we learn more about some of the unprecedented interference, including from a foreign power whose leader is not a member of my fan club. and so i think it is real. it is veryuch a part of the landscape politically and socially and economically. >> and again, kristen welker, this is one you talk about, sexism. it's hard to measure. we know certainly there was a gender gap. there traditionally is. democrats do better with women than republicans. hillary clinton won the female vote. if you break it down, there was also a racial breakdown there as we well. among white women donald trump actually won. but again, take us back to real time. what were you hearing from the campaign about sexism, about misogyny during that race and how they were trying to deal with it.
>> well, they felt as though it was playing a role at the time and they tried to highlight that on the campaign trail. they tried to effectively accuse former candidate donald trump of engaging in what they felt were at the time comments aimed at undercutting her for her gender. you'll recall he said he can't picture her being president. but at the same time, steve, there were all of these other interesting factors which you sort of alluded to. the fact that for example during the primaries she didn't do better with those younger female voters who were trending toward bernie sanders. and i think that underscores this broader theme which is that the campaign didn't necessarily have a full grasp of the electoral that they were trying to win over, and that tlirs for an outsider and a new message and someone who was going to shake up washington, a lot of voters still felt as though she represented the establishment and that's why they went in the other direction but this was a theme within the campaign as well.
>> that's what i think about too. obviously she's the first female to be a major party nominee but another aspect of hillary clinton, 25 years, a quarter of a century, she wasn't just on the national political scene, she was at the center of the national political scene and we really don't have many examples of successful presidential candidates who are that closely, that intimately associated with washington d.c. and the political establishment for that long. and you take that background in the climate of 2016 against a candidate like trump, volatile situation. >> yeah, that's a problem for her. when she's in the political lens and in the political spotlight, her polls and numbers drop. it's funny, today she seemed a little looser, a little more relaxed, a little more herself, the picture that clinton aides portray, the gregarious, funny hillary clinton. it's interesting to see her in these moments because a lot of people say had she been this way during the campaign, maybe she would have been a little more
likable, maybe we could have seen a little more of the real hillary clinton. and i think, you know, a lot of those image problems actually contributed to her loss. >> very quickly, this is interesting, she says she's going back to being an activist citizen and part of the resistance. in your book she says she's run her last campaign but i got to say, the reaction of democrats, they still seem very protective of her, very supportive of her right now. we have stories emerging about 2020 already with names like joe biden, bernie saers. hillary clinton, could you see a scenario where she gets interested in 2020? >> no, never. i kind of believe her when she says this is my last race and i believe her on the mayoral front too. i don't think she'll be running for mayor of new york any time soon. we're seeing this play out right now, she wants to pave her own path. she wants to advocate i think for women and children and be part of the resistance and the persistence and kind of forge that path forward. so i think she's going to be -- you're going to see her sort of
being this sort of active -- playing this active role and also doing what she wants to do, stepping away from the foundation and playing her own role. >> all right, amy parns, the book is "shattered." read that if you want to know about the clinton campaign. not hard to find a copy but they are selling fast. and chrkristen welker, thank yo for joining us. we're going to pivot to capitol hill, the health care bill that republican alternative, the replacement, proposed replacement for obamacare. it is teetering on the brink of collapse. our current count shows it right now. 21 republicans right now, they oppose this bill. republicans can afford a maximum of 22 defections. anything over that the bill fails. 22 is the ceiling. they're at 21 and there are 18 right now, 18 republicans who are undecided. you can do the math. if they lose two of those 18, they're over that number, this bill can't pass. that is a very, very narrow
margin. mike is on capitol hill following this situation for us. mike, the last time around they didn't even bring it for a vote. in the end they said we're too far away. could this go the same way? could there be a snacenario whe they don't call a vote here? >> reporter: absolutely and the rule of thumb is once you put something on the floor and put all your energy into it or at least try to get it on the floor, you go through the round of arm twisting, cajoling, calls from the white house, trying to figure out what it is you can give people, any side legislation, not necessarily pork barrel projects, doesn't work that way so much anymore around here but people have policy concerns that you can address in other ways. trying to find that sweet spot, trying to find how to get a few more members and house g.o.p. leaders say they're close. i got to tell you, steve, the longer this goes, the less likely it is they're going to have success. once you try to put it on the
floor as they did back in march, it sort of loses steam and it's a rare occasion, i can only think of one in the time i've been covering congress, that bailout, the tarp vote before the election in 2008 where it failed miserably on the floor, spectacular collapse, you remember that day when the stock market crashed 700 points but they did manage to bring it back and pass it a couple of days later. a rare occasion, the odds are vehicle he losing people here. fred upton has jurisdiction over this bill. billy long, a missouri congressman who's been behind donald trump all along says he can't back it because of the controversial weakening of the provision for pre-existing conditions. so it's not looking very optimistic for republican leadership and those who want to see this bill passed from the white house to capitol hill, steve. >> and the other moving part on capitol hill right now is this bill to fund the government, this deal to fund the government through september. donald trump taking heat from
some of his political base, rush limbaugh in particular saying, basically trump got rolled on this. there's no money for a border wall, there is money for planned parenthood. trump in response to that going on twitter today and essentially saying, hey look, in september why don't we have it when this funding bill expires, why don't we have a government shutdown then, it might be good for the country. paul ryan, the house speaker was asked about this. listen to what he had to say and i'll ask you about it. >> how many times have i had this, do you agree with the tweet this morning. are you talking about september? look, we've got a long ws to go between now and september but i share the esident's frustration. what a lot of people in america don't realize, appropriation bills, they take 60 votes to pass. they can be filibustered. >> what do you think, mike? is trump laying the ground work here for i guess either a shutdown or changing the senate rules on the filibuster you just heard ryan talking about? >> reporter: yeah, i think speaker ryan is in a tough spot.
there's obviously not a great deal of message december palestinian coming fr discipline from the white house. he doesn't want to shut down the government and if president trump were really serious on backing up that threat, he's got an opportunity to do that as soon as tomorrow when the house of representatives is set to vote on the funding bill that will bring us to september, president trump continually or at least said today in his tweet that he was threatening to shut down the government. he can simply veto that if he wants to clean out washington as mr. mulvaney said today. there doesn't appear to be a lot behind that. certainly the sort of zig-zaging and conflicting messages coming from the white house and from the president's twitter feed is making life a little bit difficult for g.o.p. leaders up here over the course of the last several days. >> all right, mike, thanks for that. we're going to take a quick break, still ahead though we're going to talk to one of those republican members of congress
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conditions. so that is a very important thing. we're excited about this policy. we're making very good progress with our members and our president has been instrumental in that. >> here we go again. house speaker paul ryan out today promoting yet another version of that republican health care replacement bill. it is now two republican no votes away from potentially collapsing. joining me now is one of the republicans who is against this plan. that's republican congressman pat meehan from pennsylvania. congressman, thanks for taking a few minutes. we appreciate it. let me just ask you a bottom line question. we saw the first time around republican leaders took a look around and said, you know what, we're not going to have the votes, we're going to pull it. we're not going to actually have a vote on the floor. what do you think the chances are that there will actually be a roll call vote on this replacement bill? >> that's lesson one in washington d.c. i think you need to know the count before you put it on the floor. that's been the history of this institution for centuries and i think that that would dictate
whether it goes on the floor, you'll know ahead of time. i don't think there's any real value in pulling something just to get head counts. >> what's your sense now because we've got our count here at nbc, we've got two republican no votes away from the numbers not being there with about 18 undecided. what's your sense talking to your colleagues? do you think they're going to come around or land where you're landing? >> we're close and a guy like fred upton making that public announcement is an influential guy. i can't speak for all of the others. i think the work is going on those who have been undecided. i've talked to some colleagues who have been on the fence and they really take time, i think, to dig down and understand exactly how these things are going to work. and there is a lot of protection built into the law. i'm ultimately concerned -- i've made my decision because i'm concerned about what the waivers can mean, particularly if people are moved into the high risk pools and there are sufficient resources to assure the kind of
quality care that we want them to expect. but my colleagues are looking and there are some parts that can sell them. >> you're flagging the idea here, when you say the high risk pool, you're talking about pre-existing conditions, and the case from trump and the republican leaders is we guarantee coverage for people with pre-existing conditions but the question is would their rates rise and potentially sky rocket under this plan. let me ask you a political question. what do you think happens based on that concern your expressing, if the republican house and the republican senate pass a bill that would do to pre-existing conditions what this proposes and the president signs it, are you concerned there's political fallout in 2018 in the republican party. >> the big problem in the past has been that you've got corage on paper but when you go to get the service either the cost associated with your responsibility are so high or the deductibles and other kinds of things mean you really don't
have the health care that you expect, and i think we got to get it closer so people believe they've got some skin in the game, but when they are sick, you know, that it's going to be there for them. there's a price to be paid if you can't deliver that. >> the big issue here seems to be republicans are trying to pass this with republican votes only and it seems to me you've got two very different camps on the republican side. on the one end the freedom caucus and they are worried that there are too many mandates, too many requirements, too many things that have to be covered that have to be enforced. and then sort of where you are, you're the more moderate end of the party on this. you're worried about too many of those protections being eroded. is it even possible for republicans to pass something that brings enough votes for both of those sides together? >> well, it's like two dogs tugging on a towel. what happens is it gets pulled back and forth and back and forth and we're very much in that sweet spot where it's easier, we like to think that what we're working towards is a
bill that works that really takes a lot of good reforms and starts to put them into place. if the objective is simply to repeal so you can say you repealed, what's coming in behind it. i think that's the problem certainly that the moderates have and some of the conservatives have believed that they want to repeal more and really go at the idea that these programs are not entitlement programs and i think that's the distinction. it's a philosophical distinction which may make it harder to get everybody to yes. >> if this bill either fails on the floor or doesn't come up for a vote, would you like republicans to drop pursuing obamacare repeal and replace for now or would you like them to take a third shot at it? >> when you say pursue it, we've got a lot going on. i'm on ways and means and we've put in a tax bill, trade issues coming up, we've got border issues. we just funded the military and we do a lot together.
i would read into the possibility that people would go back, see where we made progress, where we had some problems and you might see people reconstitute an approach here that stays within the boundaries of what was originally put forward but find new ways to cover concerns. i think you heard the president say that. he's digging in a little bit closer to what exactly does it mean to be looking at preexi pre-existing conditions and how do we give the same sense of comfort to people that they had under obamacare. we may not meet every element like that but the idea of working towards giving people that sense of comfort who are really sick. i mean, that's the issue. when you're sick do you have coverage. >> congressman patrick meehan, republican from pennsylvania, thanks tofor taking a few minut. we're going to take another break. at the white house press briefing, the budget director, mick mulvaney, pointed his finger at governments over the idea of a government shutdown. >> if the democrats aren't going
to behave any better than they have in the last couple of days, it may be inevitable. >> his comments coming after president trump sent out a tweet saying the country would actually benefit from what he called a good shutdown. our panel weighs in next. because they have tvs in them. and, when we're not in those rooms, we want our shows to go with us. anywhere? you got that right, kid show thing. get a directv all-included package for 4 rooms. only $25 a month, price guaranteed for 2 years. available for at&t unlimited plus customers. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.
all right, it's time for a check of the headlines at the half-hour. house republicans still trying to find the votes to pass that repeal and replace obamacare bill. according to an nbc news count, at least 21 republicans are now against the legislation. there are also more than a dozen who are still undecided. here's the thing, republicans can only afford 22 defections. they are right at the edge of defeat right now. we will see if they can turn that around. meanwhile, the head of the house transportation committee telling leaders from united airlines and some of their competitors that congress will take action to improve customer service if they don't. that hearing today coming after
several high profile incidents, including of course the forced removal of a man from the united airlines flight last month. and a white former south carolina police officer pleading guilty this afternoon to federal civil rights charges. this in connection with the 2015 shooting death of an unarmed black motorist. michael slager will not face state charges in the death of walter scott. his trial on that front ended in a hung jury back in december. the boston red sox apologizing to baltimore orioles center fielder adam jones today after fans of fenway park taunted him with racial slurs during last night's game. jones telling usa today and the "boston globe" that one fan threw peanuts at him and one fan called him the "n" word several times. jones speaking out on this just a few minutes ago. >> things like this, they just don't -- they don't have a place in the game. i thought we moved past that a
long time ago, but obviously with what's going on in the real world, things like this, people are outraged and speaking up at an alarming rate. it's unfortunate that i had to be involved with it. back to politics. in a tweet this morning president trump suggested the country could benefit from what he called a good shutdown. re senate majori leader tch mcconnl's reaction. >> the president says it's time to change senate rules, simple majority rule. you're the leader of the senate. is it time to change the rules? >> no, it isn't. there is an overwhelming majority on a bipartisan basis not interested in changing the way the senate operates on the legislative calendar. and that will not happen. >> and joining me today, lonnie chen with the hover institute, msnbc political analyst david corn and heidi pressbella, an
msnbc analyst, senior politics reporter at the usa today. heidi, let me start with you, what do you make of donald trump -- it sous like he's responding in part,aybe entirely here, to conservative critics who are essentially saying he got rolled on this deal to keep the government open. now he's threatening to lead the country, it sounds like, into a shutdown in september. >> it sounds like the white house is basically betraying their own argument they're trying to make which is that they got a good deal. if you felt you got a good deal, you wouldn't be threatening to shut down the government. the reality is that he got very little of what he wanted on some of his very core campaign promises like building a wall. planned parenthood continues to be funded. those obamacare subsidies continue to be funded which will allow other states to expand on obamacare, their medicaid coverage and you have prominent conservatives essentially saying that they got rolled. i will tell you, steve, based on
my own reporting that democrats felt that way too. they were literally popping wine bottles last week because they felt like they walked away from this with a very good deal, putting us into september and making it essentially harder for them to come back and actually deliver on some of those same campaign promises. >> one of those prominent conservatives who's been saying that about this deal was rush limbaugh. he said with deals like this what is the point of republicans winning elections. well today mike pence, the vice-president, went on rush limbaugh's show to defend the deal. take a listen to how that went. >> obamacare gets funded, sanctuary cities get funded. the epa gets funded through september. planned parenthood gets funded. the wall does not. so if you're asking yourself, why am i voting republican, you have a good question. why is anybody voting republican
if this is what happens when we win? >> that was rush limbaugh. we didn't actually have mike pence there but mike pence calling in today to try to sort of plead the administration's case. lonnie, let me ask you, in terms of clearly republican leaders on capitol hill not interested in another shutdown. mitch mcconnell saying he's not interested in doing away with the filibuster, something that trump floated today. but is there a chance donald trump could end up egging them into one o those two things? >> yeah, this dynamic,steve, is always very difficult. you have a situation where clearly people like mitch mcconnell and paul ryan want to make government work when it comes to not shutting things down. i don't think any of these leaders want to shut down, but there are a lot of political pressures involved here. some of them do come from the republican base. some of them might come from the president who believes this will help his negotiating position. that, to me, is an unclear contention. i don't ever think that a shut down helps anybody's governing
position or anybody's negotiating position for that matter. this is sort of an interesting, very curious claim the president is making. the one thing that i would say that i think he is right about, there is some frustration around being unable to govern by anything except for continuing resolution. always constantly having to do temporary bills to keep the government open. i think we all would prefer something a little longer term but that's going to require the president to extend his hand and for democrat leaders in the congress to do the same. >> david, democrats feel like they got the better of the white house, got the better of republicans on this. if conservatives are up in arms, how did the democrats pull that off here, do you think? >> well, in a lot of ways it's because the republican party is fractured itself and can't come to terms on some of these hot ticket items that the conservatives want. we saw that in the health care fight, and of course you need 60 votes to get bills through the senate. that didn't stop the republicans from obstructing obama, forcing
deals throughout the obama years. so listen, you can't have it both ways. you can't say i want government to work but i'm going to ram through things with one party rule. the way the government works in our system is there has to be some give and take, and the president doesn't seem to understand that. rush limbaugh is upset because they didn't get rid of the epa. how many americans do you think want to get rid of the epa? 25%, 30%? the president is a minority president when it comes to total votes and when it comes to some of the positions that he puts forward. so unless he's going to learn to deal with others which of course he won't, they're going to keep having trouble building a coalition with democrats that actually makes washington work. you can't do it alone and you can't do it with someone who's petulant and impulsive. >> let's talk a little more about hillary clinton again today offering the fullest public explanation we've heard from her so far of why she thinks she lost to donald trump last november. let's play a little bit more of
what she had to say. >> as nate silver, who doesn't work for me, he's an independent analyst but one considered to be very reliable, has concluded if the election had been on october 27th, i would be your president. i was leading in the early vote. i had a very strong -- not just our polling and data analysis but a very strong assessment going on across the country about where i was in terms of the necessary votes and electoral votes. and remember, i did win more than 3 million votes than my opponent. >> david, let me ask you about this. one thing that struck me, the reaction of democrats to the election and the response you heard from the crowd, i'm thinking back to 2000 when al gore lost to george w. bush. gore won the popular vote and it came down to this supreme court ruling. a lot of democrats said we
ultimately got robbed but we put gore in position to be robbed. sounds to me like democrats just think hillary clinton was robbed this time around, not as much appetite for the self-criticism, at least it feels that way to me. >> obviously some democrats believe that. with the hillary clinton campaign, the external factors that were one of many factors, of course if they had done better in the midwestern states as you had on the board, steve, they would have won. but the external factors, the russian attack on the american system, the comey letter at the end, those are things that were literally beyond her control. al gore not campaigning in certain areas, all within his control. so i think that's the slight dierence between 2000 and 2016. of the many factors that led to her defeat including some that were entirely her fault, there were others that were not her fault and that may have been responded to differently by the media and other people. >> lonnie, look, the case for what hillary clinton is saying
is, hey, those polls did tighten after that james comey letter came out at the end of the october. you're a republican but do you look at this and say, that comey letter, the effect of that, was to boost trump and hurt clinton? >> look, i think the comey letter certainly affected the stretch run of the campaign. it's also the case that the polls were bound to tighten because in an election where hillary clinton was effectively the incumbent, you were always going to have people who hadn't made a decision at that point go to the challenger. that's the die nam iynamic you have in the stretch portion of the campaign. what was interesting about hillary clinton's comments is she did acknowledge the campaign could have done more but fundamentally i don't think she thinks it's her fault or her campaign's fault that they lost the election. i think a larnl part of this is the fact that her candidacy was flawed. the campaign was not particularly good. so there are good reasons to believe that there were factors that influenced the election but fundamentally, this is about hillary clinton and defects i
the democratic coalition in my mind. that's why she lost the election. >> i'd like to keep the conversation going. we're out of time here unfortunately. lonnie, david, heidi, thank you all for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. we got toake another break here. on the other side, tensions over syria, the looming investigation into russia's influence on the presidential election. with that as the backdrop, president trump and vladimir putin had a phone conversation this afternoon. details next. with e*trade you see things your way.
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fired cruise missiles into syria after that chemical weapons attack early last month. the white house says the two leaders agreed that the suffering in syria has gone on for too long, and that all sides must do more to end the fighting. the kremlin says trump and putin also agreed to try and meet on the sidelines of the g-20 summit in germany in july. joining us now to talk about this and more, maryland democratic senator chris van holland. those are the details we've learned so far. the readouts from both sides here. what do you make of what you know so far about this conversation? >> steve, what i know is what you just read, and i think we've all phone all along that the only solution to the situation in syria is ultimately a political one. you need to get all the parties to the table, to the cease-fire talks. we've been trying that for a very long time. so there's nothing new here in terms of our policy going forward. it obviously comes within the
contexof wild zig-zags in terms of donald trump's foreign policy with respect to north korea and china and other issues, but with respect to syria, we all know that a political settlement is the only long-term, viable solution. >> in our reporting, the reporting that's out there suggests there's been a considerable amount of tension between the trump administration and the kremlin after the missile strike in syria. it's interesting because the backdrop to all of this is the election, all the questions about russian intervention, the investigations that are going to know right now. do you think that has changed the politics here domestically for what trump and this white house is even able to do when it comes to relationship with russia? you say we're sort of, when it comes to syria, sort of not a new place right now. has trump been constrained by the investigations and by the spinkss about russia? >> i don't think that's any
reason it should have constrained him from consultation. after all, the obama administration was also trying to get russian cooperation when it came to syria, despite very deep differences between the united states and russia. what i do know is also today apparently putin denied that the russians interfered at all in our elections, which is of course totally untrue. we know that the unanimous verdict of our intelligence agencies is not only that they intervened but they did so to support donald trump. so it was kind of interesting to hear putin again today claim that they had no involvement in the u.s. elections. >> the other drama on capitol hill right now has to do with health care. republicans trying to get this obamacare replacement bill on their second effort through the house. our own count has been teetering on the brink right now, very iffy if there will be a vote if they can get it through. but if they do get this through the house, then it heads over to the senate. the reality, the senate, your party only has 48 votes.
they're trying to do this with a process where if they can get 50 they can get it through. what do you think the prospects of this republican replacement bill are in the senate if it gets there? >> steve, i think it's going to be very rough sledding here in the senate. in fact, i've heard a lot of republican senators at least privately say there's no way they would vote for this piece of legislation that could come from the house. in fact, as you know, some of them have said that very publicly, warned their house colleagues not to send this particular plan over. and there's good reason for that. this is a plan that took the worst of the old plan that could not get the votes and then doubled down on putting bad stuff in it by allowing states to strip away protection for people who have pre-existing conditions, allowing states to strip away essential health benefits, on top of all the stuff before which was denying 24 million-plus americans access to affordable care, $800 billion cuts to medicaid and $800
billion in tax breaks to very wealthy people. so it was nuts to begin th. the foundation was weak, and they've just dug themselves a eper hole, in my view. >> i want to ask you ask you ab hillary clinton. she spoke out about the election defeat in november. she said but for james comey and the letter he sent in october and wikileaks, but for that i would be president right now. do you agree? >> pai know two things. i know the russians intervened for donald trump. where the tipg point came, i don't know. what i know is that democrats need to fight hard for every vote in every part of every state. we need to make it very clear. we need to feel economic pain and we are working with them and we are fighting for them and donald trump despite what he said has been undermining and like in this health care bill.
he is giving the tax breaks to wealthy americans and stripping them for access to affordable care. said it would be a big beautiful health plan that would take care of everybody. not true. the tax plan, same thing. it's all for the wealthy. everyone else will be left to pay the bill. i think what we have to do is show that donald trump talked a good game to many people on the campaign trail. he is breaking all the promises now that he's president. >> democrat from maryland, thanks for the time. >> thank you. >> how about this? the government right now is smaller than it has been in a long time. donald trump is blaming democrats for it. what are we talking about? most important number of the day, next. eumatoid arthritis li, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a medication... ...this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain...
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