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intelligence committee, sir, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate you being here. >> you bet. thanks, rachel. >> that does it for us tonight. big day in the news today. no time to stop paying attention. game on. >> good evening, rachel. it's all about the tax cuts that the republicans so, many of them were voting, especially the moderates were voting for a tax cut bill in which the health care stuff was just collateral damage. >> a tax cut bill that only goes to people making over $200,000 a year. people who did pretty well despite that tax being on them to pay for obamacare. >> but what they -- what paul ryan realized and what trump eventually was convinced of is you cannot move on to their bigger tax cut unless you've done these obamacare tax cuts first and cut all that spending in obamacare that you can then apply to pay for your bigger tax cut. >> wow. and people on medicaid -- the elderly, disabled and poor will pay for it. >> the president who wasn't
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going to touch medicaid. >> exactly. >> thanks. >> thank you, rachel. well, house republicans passed a tax cut bill today in which health care for them was just collateral damage. for republicans, it's really always, and i mean always about the tax cuts. people with disabilities and preexisting conditions would suffer under that bill that passed the house today if it ever became law. some democrats in the house actually cheered through their tears when the republicans passed their bill because those democrats could finally see through this vote today the way they could win back the house of representatives. >> republicans came together all of the sudden two days ago. it was like magic. >> welcome to the beginning of the end of obamacare. [ applause ] >> the trickle-down crowd is now having a beer party in the rose garden. >> make no mistake.
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this is a repeal and a replace of obamacare. thinking bill is a moral and intellectual dumpster fire. >> premiums will be coming down. deductibles will be coming down. >> this bill comes nowhere close to that promise. >> i know that our friends over in the senate are eager to get to work. [ laughter ] >> frankly haven't paid that much aenon >> the senate, there is so much spirit there. >> this is going to be toxic in the districts. >> you have every provision of this bill tattooed on your forehead. you will glow in the dark on this one. >> vote them out! vote them out! ♪ hey hey, goodbye >> 2018! 2018! 2018! >> no one is better at embarrassing donald trump than donald trump, and he did it
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tonight with the australian prime minister, whose name he could not remember. >> i shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from australia, because you have better health care than we do. >> and the president is right. australia does have better health care than we do. because they have universal coverage. and today house republicans voted to make american health care coverage much, much worse. we saw something today that we've never seen before. a baseball team ran out on the field and started celebrating victory and making speeches and congratulating each other because it was the end of the first inning. and they were ahead by one run. that's what happened. in the white house rose garden today. something we've never seen before. a few dozen members of the house of representatives going up to the white house for a public celebration of the passage of a bill in the house of representatives only. we have never, ever seen that before. members of congress do not go up
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to the white house to celebrate the passage of a bill til the bill is ready to be signed by the president. in other words, until it's passed the house and the senate. the bill signing at the white house is the first and the last celebration of the bill at the white house. the republicans have so little confidence that there will ever be a bill signing at the white house that they decided to have their big celebration today. at the end of the first inning. the bill that passed the house today now goes to the senate. the senate is absolutely not going to pass the bill that the house just passed. >> is there any chance for an up or down vote in the senate on the bill as written to get it quickly passed and move quickly past the issue for republicans? >> no. >> zero. >> i love talking. that's not the way it's going to work. >> if some kind of obamacare
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repeal and replace bill does get through the senate, the bill, the senate bill would then have to go through a third stage, a conference committee made up of members of house and senate would then get together and combine the two house bills. the house bill, the senate bill. combine those two. produce a brand-new third bill. and then that third bill would have to then pass the house of representatives again. and then ps in identical form through the united states senate without changing one word. now, many bills don't make it through all of those stages. many bills pass the house, never pass the senate. just die in the senate. some bills pass the house, they pass the senate, and then they die in that conference committee. and so tonight the likelihood is that paul ryan was right the first time when he failed to get a vote on his bill in the house. >> i don't know what else to say other than obamacare is the law
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of the land. it's going to remain the law of the land until it's replaced. >> in the rose garden today, 12 republicans spoke. only one of them made a specific promise about what this bill would do. >> yes, premiums will be coming down. yes, deductibles will be coming down. >> and of course that's not true. if this bill ever did become law, none of that would happen. but this, this was the biggest lie donald trump told today. >> we will have great, great health care for everyone in our nation. >> no. no, we won't. we do not now. we don't have universal coverage now, and we're going have less coverage if that bill ever became law. no other republican was foolish enough to make such a ridiculous statement. that bill needed 216 votes to pass the house. it got 217.
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and the reason paul ryan insisted on 217 is that he didn't want democrats to be able to accuse 216 republicans of caing the deciding ve. and he thinks that mathematical trick of adding one more vote to the total actually immunizes 216 republicans from being accused of casting the deciding vote. tell that to these people. >> do your job! >> yeah, do your job! >> answer the question, answer the question! >> republicans did something that they promised not to do. >> i don't think we should pass bills that we haven't read that we don't know what they cost. >> they have no idea how much this bill costs. they did not wait for an
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estimate from the congressional budget office. without a cbo score of this bill, you don't know what you're voting on. republicans have no idea what they just voted on. and one reason that they could do that is that they don't expect it to become law. they don't expect to ever have to live with the results of the vote that they cast today. here is republican tom garrett giving stephanie ruhle a very honest answer to the question of have you even read the bill? >> have you read the whole bill? >> oh, gosh, let's put hit the way. people in my office have read all the parts of the bill. i don't think any individual has read the whole bill. that's why we have staff. >> and that's true. most members of congress, most senators never reaany lls. that is why they have staff. and that is why most of them hate that question. >> congressman, have you read
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the bill yet? >> yeah, yeah. >> you have? >> thank you for the question. >> morning, gentlemen. have you read this bill congressman? >> we're in a hurry. we'll be back. >> have you read the bill that you're voting on today? did you read the bill? have you had a chance to read the bill? >> i'm finishing reading hit the morning. >> are you going to vote on it before reading it? >> absolutely not. >> as reported here last night, many democrats, especially in the leadership of congress were happy to see the bill pass the house of representatives today, as long as it does not pass the senate because they believe the 217 votes that this bill got are the best weapon that they have against republicans in the 2018 congressional elections. so when the bill passed, the house democrats could not resist, singing goodbye to the republican members who they hope to defeat because of the vote that they cast today. ♪ nah nah nah nah, hey hey, goodbye ♪
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>> joining us now, the former president of the american college of physicians. john heilemann, co-author of "game change" and co-host of "the circus" on showtime. and charlie sykes, editor-in-chief of right wisconsin and an msnbc contributor. i wantgeyo reaction first as to what you see in this bill that passed the house of representatives today, and what it would mean if it became law. >> well, thank you for having me on, lawrence. so let me first say that the affordable care act did something remarkable. it brought our insurance rate downs to the lowest level we've ever seen in history at 8%. this bill would reverse those changes. reverse the improvements in the insurance we've seen over the past several years. number one, what it would do is eviscerate medicaid. it would result in approximately a 25% cut in medicare funding. so those states that adopted medicaid would be defunded, and
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there wouldn't be any further expansion that would mean that millions of people, up to 14 million people who are on medicaid would be without insurance. and these are people that we see in our office with chronic conditions. they're elderly. they're poor, and they're sick. and they need, they need good health care. number two, what it would do is put a large number of people into these preexisting conditions pools, insurance pools. and we know that 23% of people in the united states have a preexisting condition. and these folks would be in a pool that would be very expensive, would offer some limited coverage, and would have long wait times to get service. and number three, what this bill also does is it allows states to opt out of essential benefits. essential benefits as simple as maternity care or hospital care or emergency room care or substance abuse care. and these are really important benefits for our patients going
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forward. and finally, what the bill does that is also rather egregious is that it separates out people who are older from people who are poorer in terms of the amount -- in terms of the rate of insurance that they have to pay. up to five times more for older folks versus younger folks. for example, someone who is 64 years old and makes $26,000 a year could end up paying $14,000 a year in health insurance. now i don't think that $2,000 or $4,000 tax credits towards that 14,000 really helps too much. so we really think that this is a flawed bill. and it's a bill that does tremendous harm. and we have a principle in medicine that is first we do no harm. and we think this bill does tremendous harm. we hope that once it gets to the senate, that the senate will really look at the aca and say let's improve on the affordable care act and not act on the aahca. >> one of the most interesting
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political phenomenon of the day was that there were some so-called moderate republicans who were opposed to a more moderate, more generous version of this bill. who then voted for this crueller version, to use the shorthand. i'm going try out my theory on you about why they did that and what the closing argument would be on that. and it would be all about tax cuts. meaning we won't be able to move on to our so-called tax reform bill, which is really just a giant tax cut bill. we can't do that until we get the bookkeeping done on this obamacare stuff. we've got to repeal all those taxes in obamacare. we've got to cut all that spending in obamacare so that we can apply that spending savings to our big tax cut package as we move down the road. and so you, mr. republican moderate congressman, will never be able to vote on our big tax cut unless you vote on this
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first stage of the tax cut in obamacare. and by the way, the senate might vepass this health care thing, and you won't have to live with the results. >> lawrence, i'm going say the two words that i know you like better than any other. you are right. actually, that's three words. >> i'll take it. i don't care how many words it is. you have the floor, john heilemann. take your time! >> i will say i've been making this argument, and others have been making this argument for several weeks now that this is the driving force behind the reviving the push to get this bill through the house after donald trump said when the bill collapsed the first time, we're moving on. he said we're moving on. we're going to go do tax reform. and they looked up and said you know what? it's not that easy. trump was ready to cut and run and get on to the next thing. but getting on to the next thing for reasons both politics and actuarials in the house requires getting this done. so the tax reform push is what's behind this. i think largely. the other thing, and i talked the a loft moderate members and other members in the house who were going through this process last week and now this week in the whipping process, there was one other simpler thing, not just the tax cut dynamic, but
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also just the simple words "we got to win one for the team." i think largely. the other thing, and i talked the a loft moderate members and other members in the house who were going through this process last week and now this week in the whipping process, there was one other simpler thing, not just the tax cut dynamic, but also just the simple words "we got to win one for the team." and you heard, that was the message that was being delivered over and over again to the moderate members. and eventually they decided to capitulate on that front. i have to say that is a very shortsighted view of what winning means. and i think this almost defines the notion of a pyrrhic victory, what they managed to register today. >> well, charlie, the clear message that they believe this is a win is that they had a victory celebration. >> yeah. >> they had a victory celebration at the end of the game. inning of the legislative and we've never seen that before. i said when i saw this, i immediately asked everyone, please check, when is the last time the house went up and celebrated just house passage of a bill.
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no one could find that it had ever happened before. >> you know, i think one of the it was a republican congressman from kentucky who said that this bill was sort of like passing a kidney stone. and the house just wanted to get it out. they didn't really care what it was. but you know, what an extraordinary moment for conservatives. because conservatives not only used to believe in small government, but they also used to believe in prudence. they used to understand that people in washington should be very cautious and modest when tinkering with 1/6 of the economy. and i think you're absolutely right when you said they really don't know what they did. literally, i don't think they know what they did in terms of the cost or the impact on the public. it's sort of like taking off in an airplane full of passengers without checking to see whether you have all the fluids and whether the brakes in fact work. so next week you're going to get the congressional budget office scoring. but a lot of those congressmen have to live with the consequences of what they voted for. and that sound bite from paul ryan is, you know, i got to say that gets me. i'm a conservative commentator
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and a supporter of paul ryan. i'm old enough to remember back when every republican in america would have said what paul ryan was saying, what lindsey graham said today. you find out what's in the bill before you pass the bill, especially when you have such hi stakes. not just politically, but in terms of people's lives, in terms of life and death. >> john, i think charlie was pretty much sure when paul ryan became speaker you would not see the house of representatives vote on a bill with no cbo score. i think a lot of people were sure of that. >> right. >> this was the day they did it. >> yeah, look. as charlie remembers, this was a point of mockery that republicans -- >> oh, yeah. >> -- the republicans mocked democrats over and over again in the passage of the affordable care act for not having read the bill. and of course paul ryan has been a devotee, a fetishistic devotee of the cbo for decades. the fact that he is throwing over the importance of numbers, the importance of scoring, just
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casting all that to the wind, it's so fundamentally at odds with what paul ryan has stood for such a long time. and there is no analogy that i know of where the members of the house have gone up to the white house and celebrated a bill for just passing it through the lower chamber. but there is i think a parallel here. and i'm thinking about may of 2003 when george w. bush stood on that aircraft carrier in front of that sign that said mission accomplished in iraq. and he rued that day for years thereafter as the iraq war turned into the disaster it turned into, declaring victory early on something really big like the iraq war or repealing the affordable care act is a very, very dangerous thing to do politically. those pictures from today will be in a lot of ads in 2018. >> a lot of ads. >> and maybe in 2020. >> dr. damle, if you got the 30 seconds on the senate elevator in the capitol going up three floors with a senator, you just had that one moment to talk to a senator, a republican senator
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about this, what would you tell that senator? >> well, number one is that you do need to get a cbo score. you cannot pass any bill without a cbo score. but number two is this is irresponsible. it really affects our patients. these are patients' lives that are at stake. these patients have chronic conditions. they can get cancer and not be properly covered. they can go bankrupt. what we need to do is to improve the affordable care act so that there are things that can be better handled. the market can be better handled. coverage can be improved. but not through the ahca. >> we have to take a break here. dr. nitin damle, john heilemann, charlie sykes, thank you all for joining us on this important night. i really appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up, democrats now hope that they can kill this bill in the senate. democratic senator chris van holland will join me and tell me what's going to happen in the senate. and president trump's
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inability to think or speak clearly was the subject of george will's extraordinary column today. it was the column everyone was talking about today. it was trending on twitter. george will will join us.
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we're going get this passed through the senate. i feel so confident. >> i know that our friends over in the senate are eager to get to work. [ laughter ] they are. >> not one republican in the senate today is eager to vote on the house bill. not one. >> do you like the house bill? >> i frankly haven't paid that much attention. >> the senate will carefully review the house bill, and now we'll go to work on a senate bill. >> by law the senate has to have a score before we vote on something. so we will have a score. >> joining us now, maryland democratic senator chris van hollen. played a critical role in getting obamacare passed in 2010. he is now a member of the senate budget committee. senator van hollen, what is your sense of what will happen in the senate now? >> well, lawrence, as you've been saying, the house republicans just launched this giant stink bomb into the united states senate. and there is no doubt republican senators don't want to deal with this.
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but i do believe we have to be worried about a false sense of security. we know how bad this bill is. after all, only 17% of the american people thought the original house bill was a good one, and they made it even worse. so on the one hand, we might get lulled into this false sense of security that republican senators will never act on it. on the other hand, pressure will build on a lot of them to do something. and i worry a little bit about what we saw happen to fred upton, right? fred upton came out against the bill. he got a lot of backlash. and then he came out with sort of a face-saving thing that really did not do anything to the bill. but he voted for it. we do need to make sure that mitch mcconnell doesn't just engineer this so that a few republican senators get some window dressing changes and send it back. so bottom line, it's really important that everybody turn out to all the town hall meetings now, just as they did before. >> so senator, i want to take you back to your house experience, you're an expert on
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this. and what you just mentioned with congressman upton, he is in a position when he is asked to cast that vote, as we said, the first inning of this exercise. it's a less pressurized vote at that point because it's so much more distant from actually becoming law. this bill, if it passes the senate, goes back to the house in some other form. and all those fred uptons have another decision to make on a completely different document at that point. and that is a much more pressurized decision that's a round about way of me getting to the question of in your house experience, did you see house members at this stage of legislation cast a vote thinking i don't know if i'm going to vote for this thing again. i'm going to vote for it now. i'm going to succumb to the pressure to move it along for the party. but i don't know what i'm going to do if this thing becomes real. >> lawrence, i definitely have seen that happen. on various pieces of legislation in the house.
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the pressure builds up. the arms get twisted, and people in this case not even waiting for cbo score, not reading the bill, they just kick it over to the other body, kick it over to the senate and say they'll take care of it. so i'm sure a number of them were thinking that the senate would bail them out. here is what i worry about. what i worry about is that you have a lot of folks from around the country, republican, freedom caucus types, koch brother type, whoever it might be, donald trump beginning to put pressure on the senate. and the senators, some of the republican senators saying, hey, let me just offer a little tweak to this. and then i'll be able to vote for it. so that's what i worry about. then it goes back to the house. you're right. that's a whole new ball game. but every time they get one step closer to the finish line. so my only point, lawrence, is democrats cannot be complacent at this moment. the reason they had such a hard time in the house, one of the
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main reasons, was exactly what you showed earlier. the outpouring of resistance from around the country at these town hall meetings. and all i'm saying now is let's not think that just because this is such a stinker, that they're not going to how many is move it out of the senate. >> do you -- have you found in your experience that house members are more responsive to that kind of pressure at town halls than senators are? >> well, i think that that is probably the case, given the senators' six-year term. senators, at least at the beginning of their term may think that they've got a little leeway here. but leeway can work both ways. that leeway could work in this case to say hey, this is really a bad idea. it's going hurt my constituents. so i'm going to vote no. on the other hand, they may say hey, look, this is an easier political vote for the right wing because i'm not going to have to suffer the consequences for another five years. look, this has got to go a long
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way there is no doubt about it. but my point is that democrats and the vast majority of the people around this country who know how bad this bill is, they need to weigh in. they can't sit back and say, you know, they just got it out of the house. no doubt a totally premature celebration. i've never seen anything like this at the white house where everyone marches down and pops the champagne bottles. i just don't want democrats to become complacent. mitch mcconnell can be very sly. and i don't want us all thinking they're not going to do this while they quietly get their ducks in a row, you know. a couple of senators offer amendments claiming that they mixed it up and send it back to the house one step closer. still a tough road. but one step closer. >> and again, drawing on your house experience and your experience out there working to elect so many democratic house members over the years, how do you see this impacting the georgia race, the special election with jon ossoff running down there?
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>> thing is going to fuel the fires in favor of ossoff. i think what we've seen from around the country is this bubbling up of grassroots support. and the house republicans just poured more gas on that fire. this is the kind of thing that will keep the prairie fires going around the country. democrats and others have asked how we're going to sustain all this energy going forward. well, the house republicans just gave everybody a big boost. and i do encourage everybody to flood the phone lines in the united states senate. shut them down again, just like they did on some of the other issues that we faced. turn out in huge numbers to these town hall meetings for united states senators. and let them know just how bad it will be when they take away their health care. >> senator chris van hollen, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i really appreciatette. >> thank you, lawrence.
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coming up, george will wrote the column of the day, the column everyone was talking about. it was trending on twitter today. it was about the president. and he said in that column the dangerous thing is that he does not know what it is to know something. george will taking a look at the way donald trump thinks. that's next. it's a good thing that you are working with humana and your doctor to maintain your health. because in 5 days, 10 hours and 2 minutes you are going to be 67. and on that day you will walk into a room where 15 people will be waiting... 12 behind the sofa, 2 behind the table and 1 and a half behind a curtain. family: surprise! but only one of them will make a life long dream come true. great things are ahead of you when your health is ready for them. at humana, we can help you with a personalized plan for your health for years to come.
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trump has a dangerous disability. that was the title of george will's column that was trending on twitter today. george will has often had the most talked about column of the day in his decades as a columnist. today there was an urgency to his writing. he said it is urgent for americans to think and speak clearly about president trump's inability to do either. this seems to be not a mere disinclination, but a disability. the dangerous thing is that he does not know what it is to know something. joining us now, george f. will, pulitzer prize winning columnist for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor. george, i'm always honored to have you join us on a day like today. i'm thrilled to have you join us, because once again, you wrote the column of the day that everyone is talking about. and it's one of the columns that puts into words things that many of us have thought in different way, but most of us haven't found the way to put it into words.
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you're saying that the president is actually not able to think? >> well, the problem, lawrence, isn't just that his sentences don't parse and that his pronouns float around in search of antecedents, it's he is sin tactactically challenged. the question is whether or not the way he talks and the judgments he makes about matters of fact, history, for example, suggest that he really is not capable of sequential thought, which is rather alarming in a president. you add that to the fact that he has demonstrated lack of knowledge of american history, his recent talk about andrew jackson being angry about a civil war that occurred 16 years after he died suggests that, again, he is a basic
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unfamiliarity, not just with our past but with our present. remember during the republican candidates debates, he said once in defending the conservatism of his sister who is a federal judge, he said that his sister had signed some of the same bills that justice alito had signed on the supreme court. now that suggests that he would flunk a sixth grade civics exam because he suggests that federal judges and supreme court justices sign bills. this is rather alarming. i mean, if next week he comes out and says grover cleveland was a stern critic of the new deal, on the one hand we'll all be pleased and surprised to know that he knows there was a president grover cleveland. but there comes a point at which this goes -- manages to be ludicrous without being at all funny when you have a president who doesn't understand the basic facts of american history, the basic realities of american governance, and finds it
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impossible to put into simple declarative sentences what he is talking about. >> i want to listen to a professional diagnosis here. this is from lance dodas, a former professor at harvard medical school, a professor of psychiatry. listen to what he had to say about the president on this show. >> lying in the way this he does it, repeated, dangerous lying makes him unfit, and is a sign of serious mental disturbance. and to the extent he didn't know reality, and i agree, by the way, i don't think he does know reality. clearly he doesn't have a clear grasp of it because he changes. he makes up reality to suit his internal needs. >> george, your column scrupulously avoided any diagnosis that you're not medically qualified to make. but were you tempted? did you feel -- i feel your column goes right up to the border of psychiatry. >> well, i stopped there purposefully. first place, i'm not qualified.
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second, i remember the gross abuse of psychiatry when my man barry goldwater, the man who i cast my first presidential vote was running for president in 1964, and a whole slew of psychiatrists diagnosed him from a distance of having all kinds of authoritarian and other disagreeable behaviors and tendencies. i didn't want to engage in that. i'm just going by the evidence that the president continues to put in front of us in torrential amounts. >> and your recommendation at the close of your column is, quote, for the public to quarantine this presidency. how can the public do that? >> well, the public has to communicate to their elected representatives that the elected representatives have more to fear from the public from their constituents than they do from mr. trump. that is the public has to say we have taken this man's measure and we find him alarming and we want you to be on our side, the side of our alarm and our
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rational fear rather than the normal tendency to defer to presidents on important matter, particularly war and peace. it's one thing for him to wander around and say my gosh, who knew health care was complicated. it's another thing when he is dealing with north korea, the south china sea, the ukraine, crimea and all the rest when the use of force is involved. because that requires, a, a certain confidence on the part of the public to support a president. and because the normal madisonian checks and balances simply do not restrain presidents when it comes to the use of military force. >> and george, based on what you're hearing from elected officials in washington, is that message from the public? because certainly many members of the public already feel this, what you're talk about in your column, and have been trying to communicate to it their elected representatives. that message getting through? >> i think it is. the important thing is that it get through to republicans. the democrats have gone in to
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well advertised resistance. the real question is will republicans in congress feel the need to defer. i think not. now, you noticed the other day the president when he broke new ground in presidential behavior by urging a governmental shutdown said also, which is none of his business coming from the executive branch that the senate should change its rules to get rid of the filibuster. there was an instant and bipartisan rejection of that. which indicated that republicans as well as democrats are finding a common ground in establishing a distance and an institutional self-interest against mr. trump. >> george f. will has once again written the column of the day that everyone is talking about. george, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> glad to be with you. coming up, the president signed an executive order today that, big surprise, doesn't do
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endorsing or opposing specific political candidates. here is what the president promised to do in february at the national prayer breakfast. >> i will get rid of and totally destroy the johnson amendment and allow our representatives of faith to speak freely and without fear of retribution. i will do that. remember. >> of course it would be impossible for an executive order to undo a law legislated by congress. and today the aclu quickly decided that president trump's executive order actually meant nothing and would do nothing. the aclu issued a statement saying today's executive order signing was an elaborate photo op with no discernible policy outcome. trump's assertion that he wished to totally destroy the johnson amendment with this order has proven to be a textbook case of fake news.
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joining us next will be massachusetts's attorney general maura healey, who is ready to challenge the republican health care bill in court, if it ever becomes law. what. she washed this like a month ago! the long lasting scent of gain. now available in matching scents across your entire laundry routine.
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[man] not again! [burke] swan drive. seen it. covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ [ chanting ] not my president. >> those are protesters in new york city today protesting president trump's arrival at a dinner here in new york city tonight. joining us now, massachusetts attorney general maura healey. one of several democratic attorneys general who joined lawsuits joining president trump's travel bans. i want to ask you about a tweet that the new york state attorney general sent out today. he said if donald trump's disastrous and unconstitutional health care bill is ultimately signed into law, i will cham i think it in court. attorney general healey, would you join him in that challenge. >> you know, we need to do
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everything week as state a.g.s right now. we are on the front lines trying to hold back really bad things from happening to moerns all across this country. let me tell you something, lawrence, when it comes to health care. in massachusetts we've had universal health care for over ten years now with bipartisan support. this bill is trying to blow a hole right through that. and absolutely we need to, as this goes forward, to everything week first off in the senate. i agree with your earlier guests about the need to make those calls and get the word out and speak out at town halls. certainly we need to be prepared to use all of our power and authority to challenge this this bill that strips health care from millions of americans. >> if it ever became law it would be changed dramatically by the senate and possibly changed away in a third way. i know how tricky this question is at this stage but how does it seem like it might interact with
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what massachusetts already has in place? >> first of all we'd sue over any effort to defund planned parenthood. we know how essential that funding s. second of all you are talking about medicaid, a partnership that worked well arc partnership between the federal government and state governments. it worked well for many years. we have many, many people who rely on medicaid. and any effort to strip federal dollars from our state is going to have a big impact and will do real harm to people here in massachusetts and all across this country. absolutely, you better believe it that we need to be prepared to act. you know as state a.g.s we stepped up early against another attempt by this president tie tack the vulnerable among us. specific cle we took him on with a travel ban and we were successful. we will be prepared to act again because this is about standing up for american values, standing up for your people, and standing
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up for rights. health care is so, so important to so many families, so many americans. we just can't let this non-sense continue. today's actions by the house republicans is simply shameful. >> i'm so glad you brought up medicaid. it's one of the many things we haven't gotten to tonight that we should spend more time on. we will next week. but medicaid was the largest form of the expansion of health coverage for people within the affordable care act. it was the most important component. it is a massive cut and a redesign of medicaid in this vote that they took in the house today and that would have a very sharp impact on the people who are least able to afford health care. >> you've got that absolutely right, lawrence. i think about the answer in children out there, i think about the people with disabilities. i think about the peoples tonight all across the country who are worried sick about what is going to happen to their
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loved ones. i also think about what this proposal does to much-needed funding for mental health and addiction services. you know, in massachusetts and across this country, we are really devastated by a serious opioid crisis. and this proposed bill really takes away funding for much-needed services. so it's so wrong on every front. frank lesion lawrence, we are 105 days into this administration and this is a president who has only been about targeting the vulnerable, attacking immigrants, taking away civil rights, taking away climate protections. and of course, today, working in the most shameful of ways to try to strip health care from millions and millions of americans, especially the vulnerable among us. that's why we'll stand up. that's why we'll fight back. and that's why we absolutely need to resist. >> massachusetts attorney general maura healey, thank you for joining us tonight from boston. really appreciate night great to be with you, lawrence. >> thank you. coming up, president trump accidentally, or i don't know --
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you don't even know if it is an accident with him. he endorsed single payer health insurance once again tonight. if you've tried every pill on the shelf to treat your tough nasal allergies... ...listen up. unlike pills that don't treat congestion, clarispray covers 100 percent of your nasal allergy symptoms. clarispray. from the makers of claritin.
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fbi director james comey said the thought that he helped donald trump get elected president makes him mildly nauseous. yeah. mildly nauseous. yeah. comey then excused himself to attend a meeting of underreactors anonymous. mildly -- [ applause ] -- what a weird thing to safe. you may have changed the course of history. hmm -- i'm okay now.
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as far as single payer, it works in canada. it works incredibly well in scotland. >> that was donald trump in 2015. and here's donald trump tonight. >> i shouldn't say this to our great gentleman or my friend from australia, because you have better health care than we do. >> the name he couldn't remember of course is malcolm turnbull. and yes, australia has better health care than we do because they have single payer like
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every other civilized country on earth, which is pretty much every country on earth. "the 11th hour" starts now. tonight, president trump and speaker ryan take an early victory lap on the house vote to repeal and replace obamacare. also back on capitol hill after yesterday's dramatic hearing, what we are learning about fbi director jim comey's testimony behind closed tours. and still sinking in. donald trump today expressing surprise that he is indeed our president. "the 11th hour" begins now. good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york. i'm nicole wallace. brian has the night off. it is a big night for donald trump, it's been 106 days since he stepped foot in new york city.