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the political odyssey of william f. buckley. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> very, very much. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> you're finally finished. >> finally finished go have a drink. >> all right. that does it for us this morning. condoleezza rice will be among our guests tomorrow morning on "morning joe." we're looking forward to that. and stephanie ruhle, picks up the coverage, say nothing, joe, right now. >> thanks so much. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. we have a lot to cover here, starting with breaking her silence, sally yates the former acting attorney general who warned the white house about michael flynn testifies publicly today. what will she say about what the trump administration knew? >> she apparently has some information as to who knew what when. >> not without a fight. the former president speaks out for the first time about his namesake health care law. >> it does require some courage to champion the vulnerable and
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the sick and the infirm. >> as new ads go up targeting members of congress, who voted for the republican bill. plus, republicans facing rowdy town halls after the vote. and one congressman now under fire for saying this. >> nobody dies because they don't have access to health care. >> yes, sir. in fact, lots of people die that way. we will begin this morning with the blockbuster testimony on capitol hill. former acting attorney general sally yates will finally testify, doesn't it feel like forever in front of a senate subcommittee, about russia's efforts to undermine the presidential election. the biggest bombshells may surround former national security adviser michael flynn and her warnings to the white house about him. well, you're in luck, we've got the best team in the business here to break all of this down. and i want to take you first to nbc's mike viqueira on capitol
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hill. what are we going to expect to hear from sally yates today? >> well, good morning, stephanie. it was ten days when sally yates was the acting attorney general during the trump administration but she will offer potentially dramatic testimony this afternoon here in the senate when she comes before the senate judiciary subcommittee on sbenlsbenls intelligence. what did the white house know, what did she tell them and how did they react? it was five days into the trump administration when sally yates went to the white house counsel and warned them of intercepts of a conversation that occurred during the transition between michael flynn, who, of course, became the trump administration's first national security adviser, and the russian ambassador here in washington, sergey kislyak. what was the nature of those discussions? yates is said to have warned mccann that these were substantive discussions that had to do with the sanctions the obama administration, late in the administration, imposed on russia over its behavior in ukraine. flynn allegedly assuring kislyak
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that those sanctions would go away or mitigated somehow during the trump administration in the first days. the problem with that is, when vice president pence and others went to flynn and asked him about the nature of those conversations, he assured them it was nothing much more than greetings. so a dispute about exactly what yates said to mccann, the white house saying it was merely a head's up, the others saying it was much more substantive than that. this committee is going to try to get to the bottom of it. >> i want to bring in today's panel, eddie glouds is a professor at princeton and chairman of the center of african-american study, matt welsh, editor at large for "reason." also with us, msnbc national security analyst and former chief of staff at the cia and the department of defense jeremy bash. jeremy, i'm going to start with you. surprise surprise. president trump has taken to twitter this morning, i want to share a couple of his choice thoughts. quote, general flynn was given the highest security clearance by the obama administration but the fake news seldom likes to
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talk about that. president trump, i hope you're watching, we're okay with talking about it and, in fact, the obama administration fired, fired general flynn. jeremy, is the president backing himself into a corner here? >> about a 1.5 million have top security clearance. that's not unusual. the obama administration did let flynn go over mismanagement of the defense intelligence agency prior to that. but it was really the incoming team that vetted flynn for the top job of national security adviser. and most tellingly on december 29th, the very day that the president was imposing sanctions on russia for their interference in the election, flynn was having a phone call with the russian ambassador. when sally yates who will testify today, went to don mccann on the 26th of january, she wasn't just saying hey, here's a head's up about something that may be going on. she was informing the white house there was a federal criminal encounter intelligence investigation. before that they did not know that. on the 24th of january, just a
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few days into the administration, the fbi interviewed mike flynn and he misled them the same way he had misled the vice president. basically she was saying there's a criminal investigation, counter intelligence investigation, talked to the national security adviser he didn't tell the truth to us or the vice president. instead of firing mike flynn they fired sally yates and kept mike flynn for 17 days. >> sally yates only technically worked for the administration about ten days and sounds like the white house is already trying to paint her as this democratic operative. if she's got facts like this to back her up, what does that mean for the white house? >> she came into the justice department as a career prosecutor in georgia under the administration of george bush 41. served her career as a federal prosecutor, rose to united states attorney general and deputy attorney general, oversaw the investigation of the russian meddling since last summer, since the summer of 2016, and
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she was in an acting capacity as a holdover from the trump administration. she was doing her job telling people in the white house about an effort by a foreign power to meddle in our election and the possibility that somebody in the white hoe was talking to the russians about that issue. would think the white hous and the president and their seor team would be very concerned about this. >> all right. you would, but president trump also tweeted this morning, ask sally yates under oath if she knows how classified information got into the newspapers soon after she explained it to the white house council. will it be a plausible defense on sally yates' part if she says, i shared all of this information over and over, with the white house and they did nothing. this was my only option. will that argument hold any water? >> it should but i'm not sure it actually will. that is the sense that plausibility might not be the standard here. what we're hearing from president trump is an effort to change the subject point our eyes in a different direction
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and it raises suspicion, at least on my part, why are -- why is he and the administration still defending mike flynn? why is the president still, right, not forthcoming with regards to this particular issue when the evidence seems to be fairly clear. it deepens suspicion on my part. >> axy yose put out members of the white houses wanted to try to distance themselves from this and president trump said no way. it had been reported members of trump's transition team were uncomfortable with some of mike flynn's activities but president trump continued to be comfortable. the day after mike flynn left his post, the president continued to blame the media, saying this is all just a mess created by the media, he didn't do anything. what does this do to the administration? >> it's totally unclear. he's throwing mike flynn under the bus in one sense saying he was an obama guy, and as a matter of fact, mike flynn doesn't work for the administration right now, okay, and it's not a mike flynn -- >> and obama fired him!
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>> fired him and mike flynn around washington was known as a weirdo. i mean, like he was -- >> technically speaking. >> this is a classification as you well know, national security. and so, the question always was, why was he even in the trump transition team and in the national security ap rat fups trump is both trying to kind of defend him and separate himself from him at the same time. i'm sure people around donald trump, including the people who run his foreign policy and national security right now, are asking the same question that you are. they don't understand probably what donald trump is doing in terms of his approach with michael flynn. >> a larger issue which is what leverage does the russian federation have over u.s. foreign policy? it appears in the early days they did have some leverage dealing with flynn. what flynn was saying hey those sanctions being imposed today, don't worry about it. >> those sanctions are crippling. remember, vladimir putin may be a very, very wealthy man, the russian economy is as crippled
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as it ever was. it's not like they are our piee in terms of economic quality. >> the crippling sanctions have been long standing but the sanctions i'm talking about are the sanctions the obama administration was imposing december 29th on the russian intelligence agencies, kicking out 35 intelligence officers, sending them and closing two intelligence bases that the russians maintained here. and flynn basically said, don't worry about that. we're going to let you off the hook for your meddling. >> i thought he was calling to say happy new year. talk about an artichoke dip recipe. >> but it's worth pointing out as it stands right now, this is not a super russia friendly administration. the end result of all of this, we talked about it, and it's interesting and all kinds of weird smoke and people who are disassembling, but the trump administration is not lifting sanctions any time soon. the people -- >> they backed themselves into a corner. can they at this point? just to clarify they have not
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punished russia for meddling in our election. that's about the most pro--russian thing you can do. >> absence of something. >> absence of something in american foreign policy is a major act. if a country meddles in your election process and you say we're good with that is a benefit you're conveying to the other foreign power. >> in terms of politics the russian issue is not going away. today when sally yates testifies, russia will be back on the front page again. >> boom. all right. guess what else is on the front page? health care. we have to talk about that. the house has done its job and now it is the senate's turn preparing to take up this legislation but even some republicans are saying their bill is going to have very little to do with what has already been passed. take a listen. >> the senate is starting from scratch. we're going to draft our own bill, and i'm convinced that we're going to take the time to do it right. >> meanwhile, you may not be surprised to learn that president obama is weighing in to try to save his namesake
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legislation. he said opponents of the new bill have to show the same courage that the supporters of obamacare showed in 2010. >> it is my fervent hope and the hope of millions that regardless of party, such courage is still possible. >> nbc's peter alexander joins me from the white house. pedro, what will happen to the health care fight as it moves to the senate. >> whatever happens we may be waiting for quite a while. the senators have said they see no deadline here. they're going to work on their own timetable on this. as you heard from the republican from maine, susan collins, basically they're starting over trying in effect to address some of the most controversial elements houfts republican bill. the question becomes will they be able to reconcile with what they do to what the house does. there is a working group in the senate right now, about 13 republican senators, notably all of them are men, lawmakers say
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they're not going to play the game of identity politics here, they're focused on addressing all of these issues, but some of those issues include preexisting conditions. the question of whether those individuals with preexisting conditions will be covered in the same way they were under obamacare, whether the claims the republicans are making actually hold water, the claim being americans will be getting better coverage at a cheaper price, something that many experts have pushed back on that suggestion right now, and they're rolling back specifically of those essential health benefits as they exist right now. already some left leaning groups have been pushing back with new ads now airing against 24 house republicans who voted in favor of this bill, all of this as they are hearing it from their constituents back at home. >> i want to bring my panel back. eddie and matt, peter laid it out, but there was republicans over the weekend on the talk shows, putting out statements that don't necessarily align with what we see in this
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legislation. tom price saying it's going to be more affordable with those with preexisting conditions. paul ryan said no one will be hurt by the plan to cut $800 billion from medicaid and mick mulvaney said everyone will have better coverage than they did under obamacare. if you're a member of the senate and seen the bill that's been handed to you and listen to what the three senior members of the government have said, what do you do? >> you laugh. and then -- >> this is life or death. you laugh? >> you observe that line about large national health care bills is a bipartisan bill that everyone seems to do. the senate will not take the house bill up. they're ripping it up as a matter of course. there's only a four seat majority among republicans there. they don't have the swing voters on that 13-member panel which is madness as far as i'm concerned. i think -- sigh this whole thing as -- i see this whole thing as an attempt, a hot potato, that's the right word. which republican wants to be the one to tell president trump he will not get an obamacare repeal
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and replace passed. the freedom caucus didn't want to that person again. a lot of people held their nose and passed something they wouldn't actually want to see passed in the freedom caucus. plenty of people. read justin amove's the description on facebook of why he voted yes on it. it's not particularly convincing as a matter of policy. who in the senate is going to be the one to tell donald trump he's not going to get what he wants. >> eddie, repeal and replace, republicans don't want to offer obamacare. they don't want to offer the same thing, and maybe that's okay. president trump won. why not own it and say, these are my beliefs, this is what i think health care should look like. instead we're in this gray area we've got raul labrador saying no one has ever died from not having access to health care. and he qualified it later saying he didn't say things eloquently or elegantly and tried to clean it up. they're offering something different. just own it. >> so they're lying and there's
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hypocrisy and doing three things that nick confessore said, they're trying to repeal obamacare, give everybody coverage and trying to make it cheaper. the only thing i know is $800 billion in medicaid will be cut and $600 billion of tax relief will be given to the rich. this is mean spirited stuff. that's all it is. mean-spirited to the core. >> warren buffet said it's only going to hook guys lick him up. >> thanks so much. mike, peter, jeremy. you two you're staying. when we come back we will stay on health care. i'll be speaking to a congressman who backed this bill and get his thoughts on a pushback in the town halls. what it's going to mean for midterm elections next. first you know "saturday night live" is going to get aggressive. their take on the president's first 100 days, exciting. >> president trump's re-election campaign has launched a new ad touting the achievements of his first 100 days in office. let's take a look.
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it's like speaking another language what you're doing. waiver this waiver that, paper this paper that. how do we wade through all this stuff to understand, this should have been brought to the american people in a way that
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can be understood by all and this is a human right. >> that was a woman at a town hall for new york republican congressman tom reed, one of several lawmakers hearing frustration from their constituents. at least four more are holding town halls today and we will keep a close eye on those events. i want to bring in congressman reed member of the ways and means committee. thank you for holding that town hall. i know it's not easy. you did vote in support of this bill. so, i want to go through some of the things, not just that tyou heard at the town hall but said over the weekend. we heard from tom price who said, the new plan would be more affordable for those with preexisting conditions. how is that true? >> well, we protect the preexisting condition reform in the base legislation and what we're opening it up to is if someone has a better idea, if a state has a better idea of how to serve those folks with preexisting conditions we give them flexibility to make that
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pitch, make that argument, and potentially get that approved. but from my perspective, it's collapsing as we speak. it's the right thing to do to take this step forward to start fixing this problem for the american people. >> without a doubt, obamacare has its problems and we need to take a step forward, but to this point, you're saying if the states have a solution you're open to it. what if they don't have a solution, to say people aren't going to lose access to health care, i have access to walk in and buy a ferrari, i don't have the money. people's lives are at stake. so how could you support tom price saying, listen, this is going to be great, people are always going to have access. it's going to be more affordable. how can you guarantee the american people it will be more affordable? >> because exactly that. if the state does not make that ap ply kigs for a waiver, then those preexisting condition reforms continue forward as is with the guaranteed community issue and rating and we need to move to the health care equation and get a conversation going
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across america about how we can start delivering health care in a effective, efficient way. that's the third phase of what we're "intrepid" to propose try propose. >> just to go back, if the states don't have a solution, and you'll be covered by that waiver if you have a preexisting condition, that's only $8 billion. it's going to cost way more than that. >> no, that's if the state gets the waiver and that's if the state applies and then the states can also tap into the innovation money that we put into this bill. what we're really trying to do is take care of a problem that is being caused by the existing laws where one size fits all health care program is being forced down the american health care system. to us, it's not working. it's collapsing. i've heard the stories, i've seen the stories, and what we do is we take these reforms that work, preexisting condition reform, and we build off them and create better opportunity to get this under control. >> have you read the bill?
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>> of course i have. that's my job as a legislature and we've been involved with this, being on the ways and means committee, and as the affordable care act continues to collapse and we see the problems with it across the country, we need to move forward and we need to take on this issue and i went to washington to solve problems and i do that by legislating, reading the bill and addressing the problems of the american people. >> paul ryan said that no one will be hurty the plan to cut $800 billion from medicaid. warren buffet sd he looks at this plan like it's simply a tax break for the rich that hooks guys like him up. so that $800 billion, it's not going to hurt people? >> yeah. this is exactly the difference between our approach to it and folks on the other side of the aisle. where the other side of the aisle assumes more money is going to solve these problems. we need to do it better because hard-working taxpayers can't foot this bill. we have a national debt crisis and on the state level in new york we're seeing people flee
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because of the tax burdens they're having placed on their backs. >> will the senate have to scratch this and start anew or can they take what's been handed over and actually build from it? because if you think about preexisting conditions, if you think about moderate republicans in the senate and freedom caucus members, how do you marry all these differing goals? >> well, my hope is the senate will act sooner than later because we're seeing premium notices go out here, 40% premium increases across the board. to me that is unacceptble. >> congressman -- >> we're moving the ball forward in the senate. i don't hesitate to guess what the senate will do. >> i understand the point you're making that obamacare isn't working. but the bill that's been passed what about it works? >> it's starting to open up. it takes the mandates off that one size fits all approach and starts relieving that type of approach to health care and allow people to be empowered and
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allow states some flexibility if they can come up with a better way to start undoing what is being caused by the laws that exist today. >> you don't worry it empowers health insurers to jack their rates of sick people? >> no. because those base reforms when we talk about preexisting conditions, community rating, are there. and if the waiver goes through, i'm very confident that the department of health and human services won't approve a waiver unless it can show health care is being delivered in a better way not going backwards into the ways of the past. >> all right. congressman, thanks for your time this morning. >> always a pleasure to be with you. >> next the waive of brexit and trump hits the rocks in france as emmanuel macron wins a decisive victory. what that means for europe and the u.s. the wave of nationalism may have stopped at the eiffel tower.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. time for your morning primer everything you need to know to start your day. former acting attorney general sally yates will testify before a senate judiciary subcommittee this afternoon for the first time since she was fired by the trump administration in january. she is expected to testify that
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she warned the white house about michael flynn's contact with a russianle ambassador. according to state run media a fourth american was detained in north korea saturday for, quote, hostile acts against the republic. kim hak song a teacher there was detained as he was preparing to leave the country. president trump's revised travel ban returns to court tout. justice department lawyers will defend the ban before a federal appeals court in virginia. looking to lift a stay imposed by a federal judge in maryland back in march. and texas governor greg abbott signed a bill on sunday that bans sanctuary cities in his state by establishing criminal and civil penalties for local government and law enforcement that does not comply with immigration laws. and in sports, those yanks are on fire. beating the cubs by four in a marathon 18-inning. if baseball wasn't long enough game, which ended early this
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morning. the two teams combined for a record 48 strikeouts in the longest interleague game ever. and france has a new leader, centrist candidate emmanuel macron won a landslide victory for president, defeating far right nationalist marine le pen. just 39 years old, macron is the country's youngest leader since napoleon and joining me now is nbc's matt bradley from paris. what is the reaction there today? >> well, stephanie, here in paris the reaction is jubilant. this actual -- this city went more than 90% in favor of macron. now the whole country, of course, dealt a resounding victory for emmanuel macron, but no place more than here. a lot of the media is based here in paris and they were just -- they were barely hiding their glee. i want to show you some of the headlines. the fresh faced president, 39 years, and president. this from la parisian, and the
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left wing, they had a somber picture of macron, well played on the front and on the back, marine le pen showing the back of her head, well done. and this, sort of paper of record here if france, the triumph of macron, the challenges of the president. and, indeed, there will be a lot of challenges going forward. not just in terms of policy but in terms of the elections that are coming up next. the legislative vote. that's going to see macron, this very young president, and his very young party that's only a little more than a year old, going up against some very, very strong established parties that have dominated the french system since the beginning of the fifth republic after world war ii. so now we're going to see this candidate who only has 14 actual candidates in his political party en marche, vying for some 577 seats. the polls say he's going to do well. he could win an outright majority but he's shackled himself, he says they need -- he has absolute gender parody in
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terms of his candidates, equal men and women. it's a virtuous statement. we'll see if he can follow through with it. >> we'll see. i want to bring my panel back to talk about this, eddie, jeremy, matt, we've seen this rise in nationalism sentiment starting with brexit, following president trump's win. what do you make of this? >> well, you know, a lot of people are congratulating themselves we've nipped nationalism in the bud in the continent of europe. that's not true. austria didn't quite vote for the nationalist party, sweden hasn't quite gotten there but on the whole including in france these parties have doubled tripled quadrupled their support. as the correspondent points out macron doesn't have a party. just started a political party. the democratic left in europe is broadly dead right now. the socialist party in france, dominant forever, doesn't really exist that much anymore. it's going to take more than just winning a couple binary elections to make this nationalism thing and this
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anti-eu and anti-nato thing go away. >> macron was subject to reported linked hacking and valiant nonetheless. what does this tell you about the state that we're in, in terms of hacking and cyber security? >> there are many elections to come, stephanie. some ways this trove of information that was released on the eve of the election actually on the eve of the blackout on the eve of the election, could undermine macron in the days going forward once people have a chance to analyze the information and there are these all-important parliamentary elections and other elections around europe. an election in germany coming up. elections elsewhere. and this is a tactic and it's already looking like the same russian hacking outfit that supported russian intelligence in our election, may have been involved in the macron hack. this is a tactic of the russian federation. they want to undermine confidence in governments elected that are not friendly to them and they want to support people who they believe are friendly to them. >> do we not run the risk that russian hacking effort is only going to double down after this?
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marine le pen may have lost, but to matt's point she's not going anywhere. nor are her views. she got a lot of votes. >> not at all. 34%. what we do know, this is really important, we need to understand macron's victory in terms folks voting against le pen and then 34% of the french voting population did not vote or they submitted blank or no votes. and so there's a large number of -- a large number of folks in france who are deeply skeptical of the market economy, deeply skeptical of austerity politics, policies, they're deeply skeptical of an economic system that has left so many folks behind. that could take the form of populism from the right or form of a much more robust left as politics is not quite dead. we're saying that when we drill down into the numbers it's much more complicated than simply a landslide victory. >> all right. we got to take a break. next a weekend trip to china by jared kushner's sister raises
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major questions about the trump family influence around the white house. but i want to talk about the markets for a moment. right now, wall street is starting the week reacting to the news from france and things are flat. remember, the market was following the polls, expecting a macron victory. we thought we were going to get a big spike in volatility had le pen won. it hasn't. steady as it goes. more on msnbc. ♪ ♪ i'm dr. kelsey mcneely and some day you might be calling me an energy farmer. ♪ energy lives here.
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you're watching msnbc. i'm stephanie ruhle. time for my favorite part of the show, talking money, power, politics. "the washington post" reports jared kushner's sister mick kohlmeier is -- nicole meyer is name dropping her mother as she solicits money overseas for kushner company projects. meyer was just in beijing soliciting more than 100 investors for a new jersey housing development. according to the post meyer made a mention of her brother and his role in the white house. the pitch came just one day after trump extended a program that gives foreigners a path to american citizenship if they invest at least 500 grand into american properties. a key selling point from meyer. kushner companies has since told the post that meyer, quote, apologizes that the mention of her brother was in any way interpreted as an attempt to lure investors. that was mot mice meyer's
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intention. i want to bring back eddie and matt and with my kate kelly of the "new york times." this is a controversial program. it doesn't spur business growth. it gets rich people in other countries and mostly been from china, to buy up properties here and get visas. how can you possibly, while we're sitting here with this wave of -- are there conflicts of interest, how does this smell right when the pr woman at the kushner event said to reporters they were kicking out this isn't the story we want to tell. i get it, laid. we kn -- lady, i nose it's not the story you want to tell. >> another example of the behavior on the part of the trump family and extended family and kushners that makes you feel squeamish about the folks in the white house who may have technically recused themselves from investments but remain connected to the broader family business and may return to it four, eight years later when this administration is finished. we had a story a couple weeks
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ago about ivanka trump trying to rein in some of her father's behavior and a telling line in there about how she's very concerned about the brands and whether it will be able to be sustained in a strong way after the administration is ended. so, it's very concerning that would be a priority or a bigger priority than governing this country. >> do we need to make it clear also while jared kushner has divested or sold off some of his business assets the person running that is his sister nicole meyer's husband. as she is there soliciting investors from china her family, her husband, is the person overseeing jared kushner's assets and in jared's portfolio of responsibilities in the white house it is relations with china and "the new york times" reported it was ivanka trump who received three trademarks from china on the same day they dined with xi jinping. >> absolutely. there are things here that could be regarded as coincidence but
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it's uncomfortable to see these things happening at the same time. even if they weren't, this is still the president of the united states and his close relatives that we're talking about here who are on the stump in china making the pitch to potential investors. the program itself unpopular. is another example of the affluent getting access that regular folks can't. and yeah, it should make everybody feel uncomfortable. it's good that the kushner family spokesman has acknowledged the appearance of impropriety after hanging up the fell phone on reporters, throwing reporters out, even though it was advertised to the public and any other media hostile actions. >> the kushner family attorney directed inquiries to the white house. to make the argument that we're over here and the white house is over there. >> wow. >> we talk about who's uncomfortable. at what point do republicans get uncomfortable? you know, we talk so much about [ inaudible ] but these things haven't been tested before. at some point do republicans
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have to say this is just too much for me? >> the trump administration has made an absolute mockery out of a house committee for government oversight. there is no government oversight that's happening. these are supposed to be separate coequal branches of government. if you are interested at all in corruption, if you wasted any oxygen criticizing the clinton global initiative, i criticized but i'm not a republican and i'm no congress and not on an oversight committee. >> one doesn't negate the other. the clinton global initiative may have done terrible things or not but doesn't give the trump administration a free pass to do anything. they have nothing to do with one another. >> it's not even close the amount of direct corruption that we are seeing profiting from one family from access to the presidency. this is unchartered territory. >> real time actually. >> and we have seen a string of examples of concerning behaever on the part of if not the direct principals, the president, jared himself, you know, very close surrogates. kellyanne conway telling people
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to go on-line and buy ivanka trump apparel. the real estate examples we've talked about. the yaz zer ba john development written in the new yorker which ivanka trump had a close tie and may be connected to a problematic family in iran. >> within 24 hours of ivanka trump appearing on "60 minutes" her own pr effort at her company, was hawking her bracelet for multithousands of dollars. it's story after story. >> lying, hypocrisy, greed, order of the day. i want to be very clear here it's insidious. as i.c.e. is going through its sweeps and implementing the immigration policies of the trump administration, he signs the law allowing people to buy, right, visas. right. the ugliness of the law and then simply the greed that's evidenced here. it just seems to me, again, just the latest example in a number of examples of conflicts. >> we're talking china. i want to talk russia for a moment.
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just yesterday, golf writer james dodson said that in an interview he did with eric trump back in 2014 eric trump clearly said that russian banks had funded some of the golf projects that the trump family had been involved with. we have clearly not heard that from president trump before. eric trump took to twitter this morning saying that this story is completely fabricated. another example of why there's deep distrust in the media. eric trump if this is any way fake news, if you did not receive funding from foreign -- russian owe la gashgs, russian banks come sit down here any day of the week and clear this up. if you're going to call it fake news give us the opportunity to hear your voice and tell us the correct story because back in 2008, his brother don jr., at a real estate conference said a disproportionate amount of their investors come from russia. so when all of these things line up and line up and line up what do you make of this? >> there's a way for them to
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quickly prove their point that this is all fake news. open the books. open the books. let us look. >> you're dealing with a president who hasn't given us his tax returns. >> exactly. >> that's probably unlikely unfortunately. >> and lying stands in for the truth. lying stands in for the truth. these people will lie at the drop of a dime. say it's fake news and that's it. no evidence is required. >> it's not it. >> of course. >> because we are giving them ample opportunity at any point, please, come tell your story. the last thing we want to do is misrepresent anything or at least i do. kate, thank you so much. you two, stick around. coming up, the latest hurdle for the president's travel ban as it heads back to court today. what will today's hearing mean for one of his signature initiatives? before we go, more from "saturday night live" and their throwback to a classic kid show. i love this. >> now, are you guys ready to help us find kellyanne conway! >> well -- >> we don't want to find her.
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back in court president trump's revised travel ban will be evaluated. the va. administration will urge the 15-member appeals court to lift the block imposed by a federal judge in maryland back in march. msnbc news korntd joins me now. what do we expect to hear today? >> the evaluation of the statements made made by president trump when he was campaigning. the challenges say you have to look at what he said when he was a candidate saying he wanted to have a muslim ban. they say that demonstrates what the motive is of this ban after the first one was blocked by the courts. the administration says the only thing that matter is what he said when he became president and what the provision says. this is the first of two appeals
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court hearings on this. this one today in virginia before the fourth circuit appeals and then next week the 9th circuit court of appeals hold an appeals hearing on the decision by a judge in hawaii, the first one that blocked the revised travel ban. in order for the travel ban to be enforced, both of these appeals courts would have to rule in favor of the administration. if the administration loses in either court, you can be certain it will go to the supreme court but that wouldn't be heard until the term that begins in october. so unless both appeals court align with the administration and the stay is lifted, i don't think this travel ban is going to be enforced perhaps even for the rest of the year. >> there you have it. all right, pete. thanks so much. we're going to take a break. one last word with my panel. but first, history from the mtv movie awards last night as emma watson, known in his house belle, accepted the first gender
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time for one last word. i want to bring back my panel. okey-doke. sally united states, is this going to be a big bombshell day or have we heard everything. >> i don't think so. keep it on the front page. going to keep russia on the
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front page. >> put it back on the front page. >> i think the things she tells us that we don't know exactly so much now is how strongly she told the white house, how loud her voice was when she said hey, flynn is weird. >> if she does this publicly, what does this do to the members of the senate subcommittee who are not part of the white house administration and who don't necessarily have to fall in line behind the president? >> i think it gives them the space to do what they should be doing. they neeto g some distance from the trump administration to do the work they've been charged to do. if she comes out strong, hopefully we'll see the republicans in the senate do their job. >> and republican senators are much more skeptical about russia and the links with it than we see in the house. >> thank you for joining me today. that wraps up us for the hour. now i'm going to send you down to d.c., a site for sore eyes, my friend hallie jackson is back.
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>> thank you. great to be back. maybe a game changer of a day here in the nation's capital. for the first time since mike flynn was fired, sally yates will talk publicly about what went down and what she told the white house about flynn's relationship with russia. she was fired by president trump after ten days on the job. she refused to defend that controversial travel ban. that executive eastward is in the court today and we'll have a live report of what to expect. have you seen the tow halls from the weekend? more to comes in a few hours with the republicans on the front lines making their health care case and in some cases really making waves. our team is here as we kick off another busy week in d.c. kristen welker at the white house, fornler fbi double agent and author of "how to catch a russian spy" on the set, reporter from the washington post and national political
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reporter tim alberto. >> mike, to you. what are you hearing? >> reporter: we expect sally yates to talk about what did she tell white house counsel and where and when. and we expect some republican pushback here led by the president. sally yates for ten days was the act attorney general under the trump administration. a hold jofr from the obama administration. she had gone to don mccann, the white house counsel and said we've intercepted some calls between michael flynn during the transition who at that point had been named as the nominee or the designee as the national security adviser, come conversations between him and the russian ambassador, sergey kislyak in washington. it turns out that what flynn represented that it was just hall greoliday

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