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tv   The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell  MSNBC  May 22, 2017 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT

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we have just turned into the 11:00 eastern hour here on the east coast. for all of you joining us of the lerchth hour, we want to let you know we will be talking about the president's day, his travel, the go politics that form the backdrop of today and at least one devastating newspaper story tonight about the still new trump presidency. we will get to that in just a few moments, but, first, the reason we have been in live rolling breaking news coverage tonight, the word that at the manchester arena, the largest in
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the uk, after a concert by ariana grande, there was a blast. some report said, more than one, that much, however, is unclear. for several of the initial hours i think we were all hopeful that it wouldn't turn out to be what we feared it was. that is, the first word arrived probably two hours after the blast that investigators, indeed, thought this was a terrorism. that when they went to the seat of the blast where the blast came from, they found pretty much evidence that this had been a so low suicide bomber and they usually act in a way that is meant to inflict the greatest number of casualties. we've come to call this kind of environme environment, so-called soft
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target. tonight that meant 19 people and 59 injured. ariane grande attracts mostly a teen audience. a lot of these young women are seen with members of their family, friends, that was the scene. we are limited, so far, to the video we have been able to take in off of social media. a lot of video was posted, thankfully in their haste. a lot of people didn't stop to shoot video or record the moment. they were scared. they were under orders to get out and they were looking for the nearest exit. it is fear that this might have been happened initially at one of the exits that leads down to a box office, that eventually leaves down to victoria station. the arena is built over what's called the air rights to the
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train station. madison square garden is right on top of it. it's that kind of layered construction. the train station went through a huge reconstruction and manchester arena is no more than that years old. camera crews and civilians were out talking to eyewitnesss and media -- immediately after the blast, we want to bring you some of that. >> i said it was non -- balloon. who told you it was a balloon. >> staff, to stop us. >> how did you manage to get out? >> told us to be cabin and a few
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minutes letter, i realize he won -- >> did you see injured? >> no, i saw someone outside covered in blood. >> people started streaming out and next thing, flash, who came across left in it. the washington -- i just thought, what was that and then i smell it in the air and then i -- i immediately started drinking it. again that explosion was -- people laid out. >> let's go to our london bureau. she was on the moments with us during the first moments.
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you're reminded listening to the accidents of people who are still in the moment reacting to this, that manchester is in a unique part of the country. it has whales to the west, approximately, scotland to the north. it is part of the northern uk, an industrial city and proud of it. >> yeah, brian, i guess the equivalent of the u.s. would be the u.s. this is an old industrial type part of the uk, sort of, following disrepair for decades and since undergone a surgery. these are salt of the earth people, good -- big moment class revelation. a lot of new industry moving into that area as well. at this concert, as you mentioned, i think, this arena is massive.
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it holds 21,000 people. it's the biggest arena in the uk and biggest in europe. you would have had people coming from all of the around to uk to go to this area. the third stop in her tour of just the uk. she had played some dates in other parts of europe. this was a big, big deal for these young people and sort of industrial and northern india. good whole some, you know, families headed out for a great night of entertainment for teenage girls, teenage boys. bombs and dad going with their kid and then, of course, this happened. we see a lot of this social media video showing just kind of a panic that happened after that explosion was heard. you know, a sold out concert and brian, a packed arena.
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the final son had already been song and left the stage, one of the fans told us she had gone, the lights were on, people were heading for the exits when they heard this blast. one young woman who spoke to us they thought it was a small drop. >> they didn't realize the full extent of what was happening until they got out of that arena. you know, this seems on the outside now as we understand the blast did happen outside, according to an ree na statement, it happened at a public space. this seen is very much different from inside the concert hall. one man told local station here that he was there to pick up his wife and daughter and that he was fairly close to the glass that's thrown 30 feet and afterwards saw the aftermath. others talk about seeing fans
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bloodied on their faces. we eve seen pictures of young people and adults walking around, walking wounded with damage around their knees, ripped to jeans, volunteer first responder told us that they've been treating shrapnel like injuries that's when we got the sense that this was something very sinister, that this was, potentially, an explosion. we have since learned, as you know, brian, multiple u.s. law enforcement sources telling nbc news they've been briefed by uk officials and saying this was -- appears to have been the work of a suicide bomber and based on forensic after evidence at the scene, brian, they believe they know who the bomber is. we don't have any ideas yet. we have a tore numbers. we haven't heard anything sense in doubt, the investigative work
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is in full force at this very early saul ri. >> kelly, here with the scene from there and what it's been like this whole evening long as we've gone through the slow realization that this was, in fact, what we all feared it was and that is investigators are pointing to a single acting alone, that is, suicide bomber at one of the, potentially one of the main exits. we're joined in the staud yi by police commissioner bill. commissioner when you hear kelly report, again, sources of the investigating world i know who this is, i know what this is. what does it take for them to be able to say that, first and second what is our relationship for people who are just joining our coverage and talked about this a little bit earlier, what's our relationship with the uk back in forth? >> relationship with the uk
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really seamless and i can speak from personal instruction. the intelligence services, the coordination, slab ration that has to be pretty significantly after 9/11. in terms to quickly identify individual those are on air and in policy. two thoughts there that one we'll let you be fact of how that technology is. you'll start to think that it may have had a suspect or suspects in line. they tend to match up very quickly because what they had going into the small scene. >> they had a stream of information available intelligence and police services before this event, that will be
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part of the investigation of the days ahead. but we get better at this all the time. we'll have to pace these events. >> what are they saying, law enforcement, terrorist only has to get lucky once, but law enforcement have to be lucky every single time. >> thank you very much. >> our senior national security analyst and a former deputy national security adviser, four terrorism for president george w. bush. more on this intelligence sharing. we're not critiquing the finding that kelly was reporting from someone in your line of work that they have some degree of sernd, what's behind this and who this was and how can that be possible in such show amount of
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time. >> i think bill has a right. i think the british authorities are incredibly good at their work. they're tracking a number of individuals of concern. this seems to suggest that this may be an individual that was on the radar screen, or at least that they had information about or bio me tricks and other available information. want to be very quick in these cases. they want to find out what they know, not only about this attack in particular, but they want to make sure that they understand what the support networks are around this individual, this attack. nothing else is a pace. nothing else is unforming. so i think there's going to be more information coming out understanding that this they're going to dig hard into who this individual is. his social ned work and any communication with other suspect
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individual or even isis or al qaeda elements that may have been either training him, inspiring him or even directing him in this attack. there's much more to be learned. but the fact that british authorities think that they've identified this individual, u.s. authorities are tracking that as well. very significant sign and certainly a demonstrate of great capability to do this this quickly in the wake of such a horrific account. >> they really the art form of flooding the zone with cameras for digital imagery. when that happened, when that error broke and when they kind of debuted their system. it was people from the nypd who traveled to london, looked around. society debates constantly, as it should, the exchange of privacy for safety in a free society. but what are the rules governing
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immature -- they've got six angles before this and let's assume, getting his face out there, would help for people wondering, do you -- have you seen this, does this ring a bell? >> well, it's a great point, brian. british authorities will use whatever authorities they have ability. their system allows them access to several advantage points, no doubt. they're going to be looking not only to what they can do to identify this individual at the point of the attack, but whether or not they can spot others who may have supported, dropped off or been a part of this particular and that. they'll be pouring over whatever footage they have available. to your point about privacy and security, you know, the british have been criticized for this coverage and i think for every open society, the debate, how
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much security is enough. it's impossible that an open society to prevent these kind of attacks. there is the work of intelligence gathering, which is probably the longful here in the tent here, you try to understand who the suspects are, you try to understand where the threats are coming from to try to prevent this from happening to begin with. to the extent you have capabilities like footage in public arena like boyfriend you try to use that to maximum efficiency to ensure there aren't other attacks as well as to deter those who are trying to perpetrate these kind of attacks to begin with. it's an important question, because every society, including the united states have to grapple with, how much are we really for us to know beforehand, how much information is gathered and then how much surveillance are we allowing the public arena and public square to allow authorities to react in
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an on fortunate attack. >> british authorities have come to a balance, that, obviously, a question for the u.s. still moving forward, how much security is enough, especially when terrorists are going after shortfallings. >> you can't blame them for being part of our coverage. we within the to welcome back jonathan. what we're covering political news. we just joined us looking for the 11th hour we will also be doing here tonight, there's plenty of that. first this breaking news from manchester, jeremy, former chief of staff and cia and defense. jeremy, i asked you earlier, what gets lit up and what gets turned on on a night like this given the close relationship between u.s. and u.s. airport. >> fingerprint from the individual who conducted the attack, i'll take that and run
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it through the database and come up with a name. that name will go through a number of databases, e ours is called the data environment tied. it's run by the national terrorism center. the uk authorities, their internal service works with all the other partners in the world. they'll try to match that name with any other aspect of known terrorist network. i predict they'll use that name, identify an address, probably somewhere in the uk and you'll see armoured rain forest by the uk, police, apparent military s.w.a.t. teams, they'll remove and they'll introduce the home, z and i told you about that. >> reporter: they'll take evidence. they'll take fgs. they will look at electronic holdings of the intelligence,
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remail it suspect, phone intercepts. within hours we'll have more information of -- sent to us this person is tied to another network. we'll talk about whether he acted alone, was directing. i've been looking through previous terrorist attacks here the last several months. if you look at truck attacks in sweden april 2017, truck attack in berlin. knife attacks the niece truck attack that killed 36. those were lone individuals operating a truck, handgun, a knife something they can get in their every day life. it's attacks that provide high powered explosives like the aware in turkey, the attack in brussels i kept telling them 32. it's gng to march. the attack in paris, of course, they killed 89 and over all paris in -- those individuals
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are part of a network. they're part of a terrorist organization, inspired or directed by other people who want to do harm against civilians. i think it has me tonight based on the fact the use of explosives, based on the fact this individual went to a place where they knew it would be several hundred brilliant surveillances working on. this has to be the hypothesis tonight. grien, again, you will see all of these activities lead up to a targeting package and understand of entertainment, you'll see steel on target, iraq as a result of this, if in fact, it's connected to isis. >> jeremy bash thank you so much for being part of our coverage tonight. for those of you watching just when official word came in from manchester, we had been talking about a block bruce ter, which
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we are minutes away from getting to ourselves. that's when our investigative producer had been on the air talking about presidential politics. and ken asked me, preston, the serena, getting that all you can about this investigation. what have you learned? >> all right. i just spoke to u.s. intelligence official. if you see a complex ball, does that suggest network, the answer is yes it very well mike. >> there are instances where isis is now walking through people taking bomb making instructions online. i think they're showing the ability to recruit, disturb individuals or take them to the steps to get to radicalization and get to operational ability on line. but in either scenario folks are telling me, we're likely to see a situation where encryption was used. that's going to raise questions,
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there's a lot of something hear. there may have been a point where some of the terrorist use encryption to disguise their plotting. if it wasn't themselves or lie sis, from intelligent services. it's becoming running into debate in this country, you know, find a way to penetrate that. is there absolute right to have your conversations secure from government, surveillance or not and that's going to continue. >> i had one official say to me tonight, in the reassuring tone, that by this time tomorrow, the brits will know everything this person ever surged -- searched on google and when and what the result was. >> i think that may be -- ha they didn't know in time is whether this person was communicating either with
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terrorist abroad. unfortunately they didn't know it in time to stop this attack. while we've been recording, united states command has announcing a raid into yemen that killed seven, aqpl 10, just another reminder that the u.s. at war against terrorist around the war. >> thank you. also unrelated to this incident or so we hope was the visual all day long until about dinner time east coast time when we realized our news day and our coverage was about to change because of breaking news out of manchester. but previously, all day long the news was about the president's trip to the middle east, a trip that started in saudi arabia and a trip that took him to israel today. the problem is, d -- the
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problem, again, the news from back home in the u.s. that continues to follow this president and this administration, and, again, today it was the washington post that was out with another bomb shell report, quoting from the washington report headline tonight" trump asked intelligence chiefs to push back against fbi collusion probe after comey revealed its existence. this report says, back in march, "trump made separate appeals to the director of national intelligence and to michael rogers director of national security agency. urging them to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion during the 2016 election. the report goes on the new revelations and to a growing body of evidence that trump sought to coopt and then under
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mine comey before he fired him, may not explain. >> connecticut senior also that statement added this point. >> it adds additional mounting powerful evidence of a cover up and obstruction of justice. what is really significant about it is, that it's cumulative on the issue of intent because donald trump donald trump's defendants said he didn't mean any harm when he questioned comey, he didn't mean what he said. this repeated attempt to stifle investigative work, stop the truth from coming out, eventually becomes evidence of intent. all of it mounting evidence of powerful undeniable dimensions and it goes to the issue of intent. >> again, that was part of the news that went into this day and earlier today we learn mike
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flynn will invoke the fifth amendment in response to a subpoena requesting documents about his ties and contacts with rush shachlt we'll talk more about this a little later on. flynn was also accused in a letter today, elijah cumming of lying to security clearance investigators back in 2016 about being paid by russian media. those payments were for an appearance at a now well chronical dinner honoring vladimir putin in december of 2018 for our tea, russian television here. here with us tonight discuss it eli, "wall street journal," bost in globe columness, ethics chair at the pointer institute. and plit skoliticpolitico, mich. mike, you'll get the first question tonight what just
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happened today? >> well, brian, it's another log on the fire. i assume we're talking about the latest reports -- particularly this washington post appreciate it. what it does is, you know, just build out as if we needed any more evidence that this president doesn't seem to respect or care about traditional boundaries that should limit him, that should restrict him from ongoing investigation at a minimum, i think the most charitable thing you can say when you read this story, he's a very wealthy man and use to picking up the phone and getting things done and new york city and in his real estate deals and he thinks that works to a better investigation that involves nefarious influence by a foreign power, but then you see, you know, senator blumenthal gets in front of it. you see it brian, somewhat married in that story. below the name, which describes
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trump asking two senior intelligence officials to come out and essentially say he's not under investigation and clear him. other white house officials are not named in the story, apparently made inquiries without getting them to pressure comey now fired to drop his investigation into michael flynn. and there's really no way to explain that away, so in the first case, trump could be a rich guy who thinks hey, i have this guy wh is not more people come out and say something. it should not make those phone calls it's inappropriate. it's crossing into lanes you should not be in. the second part of it, brian, i think is very troubling the white house officials are leaning on people saying, go to comey, get him to drop the pregnancy. >> eli, finding new stories like
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yours, we're allowed to get yours average. they have the conversation like he was carrying. if it is true that means donald trump as president was going around to people in government saying, either, make this go away or, tell the folks that i'm clear and tell folks everything is fine. >> yeah, it's another, whoa what trump now. we don't generally have a habit of printing things that are not true. they source these things. they have sources deep inside these intelligence agencies. you're starting to see a pattern with these stories documenting the same behavior over and over again. when they come back to the white house you saw it again today. there's no denial of the allegations in the story. today the white house said something like we're not going to talk about it because it's based on unnamed sources. before they were defending and trying to say i didn't doch this. the thing they were saying they
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didn't do was yet to put pressure comey or that he pressured the new other intelligence officials. and then a lot of other newspaper and other outlets. there are a lot of sources across what donald trump i like to think of as the deep state, that's our government. that's the intelligence community. it's the community of people who are bound together by belief in and respect for the rule of law. this is an executive in the oval office, if it's someone who doesn't seem to have a respect for the rule of law, you can understand why there were so many damaging leaks and we probably haven't seen the end of it. >> he was not a traditional ceo, in that he didn't have a board to report to. it's been said that with great frequency today over and over again. i think here is a guy you have one way of doing things in his world.
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it was the only world he knew. not only is the mindset of a good government type foreign to him, but he thought he could pull the leopards of waiting on them to see. is this really the learning curve someone from the business world now in the oval office. >> it's not the curve from anyone in the business world who might have wanted oval office. it certainly is that way for donald trump, a person who has never had to answer for anyone, p 0 years old and surrounded himself with culinary yemen and women, people who got things done for him. always look the other way on ethical things, legal things they sort of budget. you can't do that when you're in a system, when you're in a system of government and you have all of these checks and balances in federal bureaucracy. thousands and thousands of people who can be checked on the power itself.
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this happened back in march, this around the same time -- it did stories, true. the same time he was sharing these things, the senior official committee was trying to end it. at the same time he's been president attack and his wires, the chair of the house intelligence devin nunes to go around and try to stand up that story and convince the media that the president might be on to something. all of this was happening when they thought he could manufacture their own truth. we hear the president is advising the legal team saying you have to be more judicious and discrete with your words you can't say things you have to be bound by the facts. he's never tried to do that and it may be too late, even if they make headway and it changes the behavior now. he may have already done too much and said too much. in terms of allowing people to
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make a case. >> welcoming you back to the broadcast, i saved an interesting one for you, i'm going to take you back, it's been a long time, about a week to when we learned that the president had two russians in the oval office. there were no american journalists there, footnote, the russian news agency toss what is there. it was their photos that got sent around the world. we later learned that in the e val office, donald trump shared intelligence, code name intelligence with the visiting russians. it was whispered and further leaked that this was an intelligence partner that lead a lot of people to advise if it was israel that further we had, perhaps, endangered someone's deep cover among elements of isis overseas. that element was never confirmed by the white house. fast forward a whole wink unto
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today. he's in april. he's -- and trump chooses, out of nowhere, to kind of silence the combined press corps so he could speak up and make a point. we'll air that and then you can talk about it on the other side. >> just so you understand, i never mentioned the word or the name israel. i never mentioned throughout the conversation. so you had to know the story. never mentioned the word israel. >> for the record none of us were saying he did. his national security adviser, general mcmaster came out, in fact, he was never told the source of that information, so he would not have paed along the sources of tt information. on this front what just happened? >> right. well the kri nolg here, it was the washington post that broke that incredible story about the
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code word intelligence that donald trump shared with the russians. in the same conversation in which he called james comey and said fortunately i've fired him. i think many of us who cover national security and foreign policy immediately drump to the conclusion or had sources who made us believe that it was, in fact, israel, it was the original source that's why it was so sensitive and naming the city, it was so interest. fast forward the next day and the "new york times" had a separate story in which they said israel was the source of the intelligence, according to their sources the two things were not together, but by him responding to this reporter who shouted out to bb, are you yet comfortable, we felt compiled to say i never mentioned him. he's inadvertently confirming in the view that it was in fact israel that was the source.
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you can see how the prime minister looked momentarily uncomfortable about the whole situation. everyone was kind of krinching, that was bt the only crib marriott maine. we've just come back from the middle east. they have not certified one. they put his hand up to his head and put it back as if, no, i meant to do that. so there have been a lot of things said that were foot and mouth moments. you know, in this middle east trip. >> a lot of the trip transpired over the weekend after we had signed off, midnight eastern, friday night right ununtil now. a lot of the imagery, it had been, i think, going well on a pass/fail basis. but then the statement on israel -- then the statement that, perhaps, they've been in the middle east yesterday but why traveling to israel were no
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longer. so, you know, it was a low bar for trump to clear in saudi arabia, he basically had no not get caught saying something con feet and then he had to redisspeech lairty and he managed to do those things. by the way, that speech was temperate critic it was not the worse case scenario from the perspective when he wen in guns blazing saying he spent on -- it was a fairly established speech and i think people were saying, okay, this president on the world stage you might disagree with his policies, but he can, at least, sort of pick my numbers and do stage crap without causing any kind of big problems. today was a reminder that when donald trump is out with the mic and he's not completely scripted, the odds are pretty good he is going to say something that makes an unwelcome headline that is in
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discrete that makes him look foolish. by the end, i will add that brian, you know, this trip is just starting. he's got a couple more stops. he'll be meeting with a lot more foreign leaders. he's going to g 7-meeting and goes to nato summit, that's the blt -- he's been rolling out this one, really trying to reboot and knowing that trump comes to them ready to give them a warmth huggy. when you -- a lot of unresolved issues and a lot of point, how much are other countries are spending. do they believe he's necessary at the last point, elephant in the room, that nato is summit. it was formed, to defend your russian aggression so to the extent trump has been running away from the russia story on this trip, he is running into africa story when he arrives to
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meet with the nato officials. >> someone is going to drump the american president tomorrow morning local time in israel and ask for his response to what happened in manchester. and there, i suppose, right there in that moment would be a very stark choice of words. >> well, i suspect he may go back to the formulation that he was so comfortable with during the campaign, talking about radical islamic terrorism. the fakts he had been talking about it for a couple of hours, the british authority do believe it was probably a terrorist attack. i think, hopefully you'll be getting the say the correct thing. but i do think this goes back to wearing the larger problem of me not taking advice, many use to saying whatever he wants to or saying. it's the head of a company with no board as michael said. i think michael's explanation, bethe way, of why he says
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whatever he wants, trying to tell the director of national intelligence to type down or come out and say i'm not the subject, it's a completely understandable explanation, but it's not a justification for that. by the same token he needs to be listening to advice of people who know better about governing things and he doesn't seem to be very good at taking that advice. he's use to doimg things his own way. eli, again, started in an entirely different direction, but we had this story about general flynn announcing his intention to take the fifth amendment. explain to our viewers, what prong of the investigation this is and if capital hill investigation can't result in any kind of charges, why would this be? >> well, this was the senate intelligence committee request for flynn to test above and
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he'll be taking the fifth and refusing to do so. it was immediately bringing back to the news channels, to the coverage, all the clips, the times during the campaign when donald trump and his advisers opined about hillary clinton and her aides taking the fifth and saying doing so made it seem like they were guilty as heck. michael flynn was not feature, probably if he had a good story to tell. i think, you know, folks who are running these intelligence investigations on the hill and to the intelligence community which has its own investigation and now special counsel leading up to that investigation. there's not a lot of concern about the truth, eventually, getting out, about being able to find this stuff out, obviously, we've seen the amount across the government and i think with multiple investigations going on simultaneously, people work pretty good of getting to the fact. i think one way or another
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you'll seem pretty coverage pa lent room. if you focus on the next several months of what actually happened, whether or not people like michael flynn will come warning. thank you all, it's been an eventful day and a sad evening, but the political news, the go political news really commended our attention tonight. we'll fit in a break in our coverage, again, we're covering these dual stories, the traveling white house today and all that means what the newspaper back here in the states and this terrible tragedy in the current terrorist attack in manchester uk this evening. we'll be right back. standby.
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>> you have children, they'll remember the concert.
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>> so many family members were together for tonight's concert, so many parents, for example, brought their teenage daughters. the crowd base for ariana grande, the concert tonight and manchester arena. i want to read you the way the associated press is putting in at this hour, dateline manchester england ap, a highly anticipated night for ariana grande fans ended in blood and terror after an explosion tore through the foyer, at least is the concert goers were killed, about a others were injured on monday night. all evening long we've been getting contributions from jonathan deets who is part of our investigative reporting team here in new york. bring us up to date, especially for viewers who may just be learning about this story or looking for a late live update. >> you know, the very latest we
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have, all indications, at least at that arena, it was a lone attacker, likely a suicide bomber with some sort of backpack bomb filled with nails and bolts to inflict maximum damage as well as the stampede that caused other injuries. a lone attacker outside the arena along the check points of crowds going in. it was as the crowd was filing out that this explosion took place causing the panic. the question, now, who is this suspect. we've been told from law enforcement officials here, that they had tentative i.d. of the possible suicide bomber and that they're working very hard to confirm that and track that and that's important because they want to know was he a lone actor or was he part of any part of a terror cell. britain has been faced with threats, we saw the incident
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outside west minister. there have been more than a dozen pods there last year. there are hundreds of extremist inside that country that intelligence agencies are trying to track and monitor. some had traveled to syria, isis controlled territory in syria and returned so there's that whole picture of, again, the question was this a lone actor or part of a cell. the brits are clamping down because now the investigation is very much underway as they try to track and see did this bombing have any help, was he part of any cell, how did he pull this off without getting caught. >> jonathan, initially, we heard about the toll, especially of the injured. but then sadly the dead and there were people theorizing that maybe this had been a stampede, maybe some of the deaths came that way. i was loosely trying to explain to folks who may be familiar
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with new york, folks all across the country, who have had the pleasure -- the experience of being to the station and madison square garden, which sits right on top of it. it's not unlike the manchester arena, they're one on top of the other using the air rights of the train station. there are levels between trains, the box office and the venue itself. >> and thousands of people all moving in that direction to the exits to try to get to that transportation and all of a sudden the explosion takes place, so all the people start running the other way causing terrible confusion. you and i have seen the videos at kennedy airport when erroneous scare, airport shutdown if you're in a similar scare in los angeles recently where panic. this one described as a major
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chest pounding thud, in terms of the explosion that took place around the crowd of people and ensuing panic. i think we saw some video, people jumping over the sides of the stands to get to the alleyways to try to make their exits just sheer panic. right now it's 50 injured, 19 dead. we're waiting to hear more about the extent of the injuries of those people we've seen in cases like this. you would expect that several to be in critical condition, at this time. we'll await to hear from the hospital authorities on the status of those injuries, some officials caution us, perhaps, expect to see the toll of casualties arise in the hours ahead. >> in the hours ahead, i expect we'll get new image what we've been forced to repeat and repeat and repeat. thank you so much for contributing to our reporting. i want to bring in our senior
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national security analyst. and i'm going to ask you an oddly political question and it's this, you served on the national security staff of president bush 43. if this president is getting a proper briefing tomorrow morning local time in israel, what do you counsel a president to say when he's asked about a strongly suspected terrorist attack over night in the uk? >> well, i think the first thing the president is going to want to know is what do we know about the attack itself, about the perpetrator. are there any american citizens who have been suffered as a result of the attack, either killed or injured. are we providing support to our british colleagues, to the full force and weight of our capabilities. do we know if anything ties this attack to other threats that we may be concerned about and are
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there preventative measures we should be taking in concert with state and local authorities to include forces like nypd and lapd to ensure that there is no potential, that there is an attack in the u.s. that's either a copy cat and maybe something that's attached. those are things that the president is going want to know. i was in the white house on the 7/7 attack in 2005. president bush was in scotland for the g 8 meetings at that point. we went immediately into briefing mode. he knew more, he was on the ground. he was in prime minister blair at the time. we were clearly going through the whole assortment of issues and concerns about what we knew about the attack in london at the time and what we were doing to not only help our british colleagues, but also to secure the u.s. in the eventuality that
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there was some connection of what was happening in london and what was potentially happening in the u.s. the president is going to be briefed based on what we know. it sounds like the british are getting down to some great details in terms of who the perpetrator is. there's no doubt in the coming hours going to find out more about his identity, his whereabouts, his communications, his network, those are things that the brit irn will share, no doubt, with the u.s. and those things will be brief toded to t president. >> since this is no ordinary time and since this is a president like no other, what do you tell him not to say, rather, based on regional sensitivities, based on what we may not know, based on, it's just really smart not to say this? >> well, i think there will be three principles you want to convey to the president, first is, you know, this is a fog of war, the initial stages of
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anything is going to be incomplete information and may actually be wrong information, you don't want to be the lead fact witness on what's happening. we'll continue to brief and update you. but don't get too far in front of your ski tips here in front of the information because it could be wrong. this is a british-led investigation. this is a british issue first and foremost you don't want to get out in front of the british. let the british take the lead and we will follow. if they want us to share information, we need to share information, we can go back and ask them. let's be careful with respect to that. third, i think if there's anything sensitive conveyed, anything that leads to the potential that this is involving isis, al qaeda, other networks you want to make sure that the president knows where those areas of sensitivity are and you want to make sure he is aware that he probably shouldn't be talking openly to others or publicly about some of those
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threats. it could be important to unraveling what could be a support network to this attack. >> and so i would start with those first principles, i would be very open with the president and hopefully the president is getting his feet under him in terms of how to handle these kind of briefings and this kind of sensitive information. >> now, that was an answer, useful information. as always, thank you, we have just a few minutes remaining in this hour's coverage. ken delaney of nbc news joins us back here in the studio. ken, as americans go to sleep, as daybreaks in the uk, we're going to know so much more by the time we all get up in the morning. >> it sure looks that way, brian. if they have a name, as you said, they'll know a lot about him. who he was communicating with, everybody bit bit if there's a network, you may see some over night raids and armoured vehicles coming to the door, if it's not a network, we may be
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learning new details about who he is. i want to bring a point about president trump, he made a remarkable statement, speech in saudi arabia. it was a rhetoric return. he did not use the kind of phrases that he's used during the campaign, he said that islam hates us. it's going to be an interesting test whether he can hue to this new line that's coming out hr mcmaster and james mattis or whether we'll see the old donald trump lashing out. >> sean henry, we have 35 seconds to play with, do you rush out the imagery, which you know they'll have of this bomber to help garner more information? >> i think that certainly they'll do anything they can to identify any potential coconspirators if they know who this person is, they may be following him and to the extent they can identify others who
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might be kplcomlicit with him. >> that's going to conclude this hour's coverage, complicated what is normally the 11th hour, we were unable to cover pure politics because of this tragedy from manchester. our coverage will continue. microsoft and its partners are using smart traps to capture mosquitoes and sequence their dna to fight disease. there are over 100 million pieces of dna in every sample. with the microsoft cloud, we can analyze the data faster than ever before. if we can detect new viruses before they spread, we may someday prevent outbreaks before they begin.
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