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on edge. an attack on a police officer in paris stoking fears in a region already on edge over a string of recent terror attacks. was this terrorism? and nsa leaker nab? a 25-year-old government contractor is the first person charged in a leak investigation during the trump administration. how could it happen, and what happens now? and countdown to comey, the senate intel chair says jim comey has permission to talk about everything. this as president trump says he will not be blocking the former fbi director's testimony. what can we expect? we'll get to all of that in just a moment. we start again, we start with that breaking news, in paris, france, this afternoon where a man was shot outside notre dame cathedral. officials say the man yelled, quote, this is for syria, as he attacked a police officer with a hammer. officers opened fire, they wounded that attacker.
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nbc'ses kelly cobiella has been following the story since it started unfolding. chris dickey from "the daily beast" is live on scene in paris. kelly, let me start with you, at this point what more do we know about the man and the circumstances that unfolded outside notre dame? >> well, craig, let me take you through how this played out this morning your time in the afternoon, paris time. it started about 2 1/2 hours ago, 10:30 eastern time, about 3:30, 4:00 in the afternoon in paris. police tweeted out that there was a security operation at notre dame cathedral and told people to remain inside the cathedral. as you see there, they were bringing people who were outside the cathedral and in the vicinity off where the cathedral is getting people out of the ea and closing down roads. they had reports that a man had attacked a police officer with a hammer and the police response
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very swift. witnesses reported hearing at least two gunshots outside notre dame and then this incredible police response. now the interior minister has since said that things one attacker came up from behind the police officers, pulled out a hammer from a backpack and hit an officer in the upper body and then in the head, saying this is for syria. his partner, according to the interior ministry, then shot the attacker who was not killed. he was injured. but he was, as police say, neutralized. we understand he was taken to the hospital and no idea what his condition is at this point. this afternoon the interior minister is saying they believe the attacker is an lgerian studt based on an i.d. card found on him. they're still trying to verify that i.d. card and identity. they have not released a name. the interior minister also saying it looks like he acted a
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i lone and craig -- alone, and craig, along with a hammer he had kitchen knives in his backpack. police officer hit by the hammer, hit by this attacker with a hammer, is not critical. the interior minister saying today we've gone from sophisticated terrorism to terrorism where any tool will do. craig? >> kitchen knives and the hammer. kelly cobiella, thank you. chris dickey and we should probably lose this picture here on the screen, guy in the control room. i -- -- chris dickey -- >> i've got good video here. >> chris dickey is with "the daily beast" also on msnbc contributor outside notre dame. chris, we know that we saw the pictures of the folks being held inside the cathedral during the investigation. do we know if they've been released from inside yet? >> we haven't seen them being released and i talked to a spokeswoman for the police so
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maybe 20, 30 minutes ago and she said they were still inside, several hundred she said. we really haven't -- we're waiting here at a place sort of near the entrance to notre dame where we should be able to see them when they start coming out. right now we've got the bells of the bell towers ringing, but we're not seeing people coming out of there yet. >> what's the mood outside right now, chris? i mean, has it pretty much gotten back to business as usual there? >> it has. the street that runs along the k here, in front of shakespeare and company and in front of notre dame is busy as usual. lots of tourists have gathered around already, standing around me as i talk. i would say life is returning to normal pretty quickly. of course a lot of people who are coming by now, right now, aren't really sure what happened. but even when they learn what's happened, there's not a lot of consternation. people are sadly getting used to this kind of thing.
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>> chris, we should note while we're having this conversation that video we were showing there, was, obviously, video from the moments just after the attack there, and the sort of mayhem. >> craig, what happened is, just so you know, what happened is that the incident took place and the shooting took place on the es pla nad in front of the cathedral, not inside the cathedral. >> yes. >> it isn't entirely clear why people are being held for so long inside the cathedral except that perhaps the police are concerned that there may be some accomplice who is inside hiding or maybe wants to carry out some other kind of action. but the way they're acting, i think they think this thing is wrapped up and whoever is inside will be allowed out very soon. >> bring back that picture from a few moments ago here and explain to folks what they were seeing. the person that you see lying down on the ground this is a still picture from the associated press, we're told
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that is the attacker who, again, was neutralized by officers there. that attacker was then taken to the hospital, kelly cobiella updating us on his condition a few moments ago. the attacker expected to survive? >> well, we haven't had any confirmation on that from police. all they've said is he was not killed, that he was wounded, and he was taken to the hospital in addition to this information that they believe there was -- that he may be an algerian student, they found an i.d. card on him and trying to verify the i.d. card and identity at this point. we don't have a age, name, condition at this present moment of him, on him. we know he was not killed on scene. he was wounded on scene and taken to the hospital. craig? >> all right. >> i should also note that, sorry, one more thing, craig, the prosecutor's office has
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opened an investigation into a possible terrorist incident here. they say that that's sort of par for the course when it comes to an attack athis iconic site becae it happened at notre dame cathedral in front of the cathedral and because it was targeting a police officer, they have opened a counter -- a terrorism investigation, but the motive behind this still not clear. >> kelly cobiella for us in london, chris dickey on the ground, outside notre dame there, thank you. let's turn to the white house, where they are, of course, monitoring the incident taking place in paris. kristen welker on duty for us at 1600 pennsylvania. what are you hearing there, kristen? >> we know that the national security team has been briefed on this and they have reached out to some of their counterparts in paris as well as the u.s. embassy in paris to coordinate a response and a reaction. we're still trying to determine if the president has been briefed, although at this point
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i would be surprised if he hasn't been, craig. this was a busy day at the white house aimed at focusing on president's legislative agenda, going to be meeting with republican lawmakers this afternoon. they undoubtedly will discuss what we're seeing in paris. typically the president responds to these sorts of things on twitter. so we'll have to see if he takes to twitter to react to this horror that has unfolded in paris today. officials at the white house monitoring the situation quite closely, craig. >> pivot to the other big story captivating washington and much of the country today, this fresh leak of classified information, the arrest of the alleged leaker, her name is reality winner. this is the first criminal leak case of the trump administration. what do we know about the alleged leaker? >> well, we know that she's a 25-year-old from augusta, georgia, she's under arrest
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charged with sending a classified report about russia's interference in the 2016 race. that report, of course, suggests that russian hackers tried to have an impact on races beyond what we initially knew, some local races as well. she worked for a private contractor and she was located on the georgia military base. and she worked for the national security agency. so, she apparently has also, according to prosecutors, admitted that she was, in fact, the leaker. bottom line, though, craig, as you know, this president has tweeted about leakers, has said that leakers are really the actual story here. not the interference in the u.s. electionpy russia. he has tried to put the focus on leakers, called for a crackdown of leakers behind the scene and this is the first arrest that we are learning about. could potentially send a signal to other would-be leakers, craig. >> a great segway into our conversation. kristen welker, thank you.
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the panel, charlie savage, washington correspondent for not times, also an msnbc contributor, msnbc justice and security analyst matthew miller and former justice department spokesman under attorney general eric holder and msnbc terrorism analyst malcolm nance joining us this afternoon. charlie, let me start with you, the justice department announced this case about an hour after the report was posted on the intercept. how are they able to investigate and make an arrest so fast? >> well according to fbi affidavits that were put out by the government, the reporters for the intercept had approached the government -- i'm getting an echo in my ear and hearing my voice about a half second behind myself. reporters for the intercept had approached the government several days ago and had submitted a copy of that report to them in an effort to authenticate it and the government, therefore, knew this had been leaked and it also had
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some clues in the document itself and in its audit trails of who viewed the report, printed it out and because of a variety of basically op-sec mistake, both by the source and unfortunately by the intercept -- >> op-sec the term you used, for our viewers and listeners, operational security? >> that's right. so the intercept handed the government a color printout of the file they had been sent by their source and among other things, that showed apparently through watermarking called micro dots the serial number of the printer that printed it and the exact date and time and once you have that it's not hard to quickly locate which user account was printing that document on that printer at that moment. >> charlie, what else do we know about the suspect? her name, reality winner? >> she left a long trail. she's still alive. she has left a long trail of
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social media postings for us to look at. she clearly had very strong political views and did not like the election of donald trump. and did not like some of the policies he and his administration have been putting out. and she also is a former active duty air force officer, was a linguist in the air force before she became a contractor for the national security agency in february. >> matt, as kristen welker just reported there, this administration has made no secret about its desire to end th leing. how much of this arrest is about sending a message to other would-be leakers inside the government? >> i think very little in this case. you know, this is a pretty open and shut case. the kind that i think would have been prosecuted under any administration. i spent a good part of the obama administration sparring with charlie, actually, about the appropriateness of some of the leak cases that the holder justice department brought.
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you know there's always a fine line or often a fine line i should say between leakers and whistleblowers. she really wasn't blowing the whistle on the waste, fraud or abuse, it's information that's interesting, but it's honestly information that probably would have been turned over to the senate and house investigations into russian interference in the election anyway, might have become public eventually under that light. while i do think the white house clearly wants a crackdown on leaks and especially leaks embarrassing to the president i think this particular case falls outside of the kind of leak crackdown that they're hoping for, although it may accomplish the same effect in serving a message to other potential leakers. >> we heard russia's president vladimir putin tell nbc's megyn kelly, essentially anybody could have hacked u.s. computer systems, even a child, and made it look like it was russia behind it all. does the information that was published in that intercept article does it draw a clear line from russian military intelligence to this u.s.
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software company? >> yes, it does. it shows an exact -- exact path of aggression of russia's military intelligence the gru and how they were using a very well-known, you know, cyber warfare technique called spear phishing where they would flood the zone, flood a whole bunch of officials with fake e-mails from real addresses with a link inside. if you click on that link, it links you back to a russian military intelligence server which then floods your computer with malware and then they can monitor your log-in. they were doing this to election officials in the united states in an attempt to gain access to the passwords of voter registration and voter systems in these states. there is nothing vladimir putin said that was true. the only way a 3-year-old could have conducted this hack if the fsb and gru set up the system and brought their child into
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work and let her hit the execute button. >> fsb and gru for folks who aren't familiar with the acronyms, again? >> fsb is russian secret security services, and the gru is russian military intelligence. formerly known -- the fsb was known as the kgb. >> malcolm and matt, and charlie, with "the new york times," thank you, gentlemen. appreciate your time this afternoon. >> thanks. >> about two hours away from president trump meeting with republican leaders to talk about their legislative agenda that is a bit stalled right now. we'll talk about that and also take a look at the president's trip to ohio. he's heading to the buckeye state tomorrow and pushing this new infrastructure plan. but is he drowning out his own message with those tweets? q. ohio republican congressman joining me next.
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president trump may be offering some counter programming to james comey's testimony thursday. "the washington post" reporting sources inside the white house say not to expect the president to put down his cell phone. he is expected to be live tweeting the testimony on thursday. later the associated press reports trump will be giving a speech that may coincide with portions of the testimony. presently, however, he is scheduled to meet with capitol hill leaders in less than two hours with some question as to which parts of the republican
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agenda they can realistically is get done this year. kasie hunt is on the hill for us this afternoon. so we've got this meeting, kasie, with leaders today, dinner tonight with several republicans, what are mitch mcconnell, what are paul ryan and others delivering to the president today? >> well, craig, this is the continuation of what's already been a pretty long conversation around these major priorities, without kicked off with health care, we, of course, saw how that went in the house and they got it done on the second try and now, of course, mitch mcconnell is in the spotlight. congressional aides are privately saying he may try to push this through as soon as the july 4th recess, but there are significant doubts about whether or not there are 50 votes in the u.s. senate even to get that done and then your second major agenda item is tax reform. this is something we started out the year, frankly, with republicans saying look we're a lot on the same page here. there's a lot of will to get this done, a lot of room to talk and potentially compromise, but
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it seems like the white house is sliding the timeline a little bit. congressional leaders wanted to be able to pass tax reform or -- by the end of the summer. looks like the white house is saying that might not happen until the fall. then, of course, you have an infrastructure bill, something that democrats also had initially thought they could potentially be with president trump on. they want to do a trillion dollar infrastructure project but that seems to be fracturing the last couple weeks with chuck schumer in the senate putting out statements essentially oppose something key tenants that the white house is coming out with on infrastructure. that all leads into the crisis that is going to be the fall, the debt limit and a potential gornment shutdown of those major speing bills, craig. >> what's the word on the dinner tonight at the white house? who's going to be there? >> so this is the two people to watch at this dinner are senator tom cotton and senator marco rubio, both members of the intelligence committee, both people who will be questioning jim comey in the next morning.
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and this is kind of focused on foreign policy. the white house has said that this is just something that was scheduled for -- to talk about the president's trip overseas, congress, of course, was out on recess when he initially returned, the first chance they say for him to really talk about that. but clearly, everything at this point focused on waiting for that testimony coming thursday morning. we'll see if it comes up over the dinner table at the white house. it would be hard to imagine some ways it wouldn't. craig? >> thank you. jim re nassy is a republican congressman from ohio. he is also a 28018 candidate fo governor in the buckeye state. thank you for your time. appreciate it this afternoon. >> thank you, craig. happy to be here. >> president trump heading to cincinnati to talk about infrastructure tomorrow. before we get to the president's visit want to ask you about news that crossed our desk here, health insurer anthem announcing it's going to be pulling out of the ohio exchanges next year.
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"the wall street journal" saying it could leave up to 20 counties without an insurer there. anthem says the market remains, quote, volatile and goes on to cite certain things like a federal payments that help reduce costs to low-income enrollees. as you know, president trump is -- has refused to guarantee those payments. should he? >> well, first off, we all know the affordable care act is falling within its own weight, it's a problem. costs are rising, people can't afford it, they can't affor the deduibles. these are all things starting to occur and now hearing more insurance companies are pulling out. it's kind of difficult to go down a path when you know you a collapsing program, it's best to come together, republicans and democrats, and start working together to look at these programs that aren't working and figures out ways to make the health care plan work. >> should he authorize the payments or not? >> again, we have to look at the payments you're talking about are the payments to shore things
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up. i think that's in his budget. my concern is, though, that the system is failing. if you're going to shore something up that's failing it also becomes a problem down the road. i think we better get together and start fixing versus just trying to flood money we don't have. >> let's pivot here. but actually, let's not pivot because you're running as a pro--trump candidate in ohio's race. what is it about a president with a sub-40% approval rating that's so attractive right now? >> i'm running as a business guy and outsider. i truly believe the mess we have in washington, the mess we have in ohio is career politicians worry about their next election instead of ten years down the road and 20 years down the road. they worry about making decisions which gets people elected versus making decisions which are right for the people. that's what trump ran on. i think that's what energized trump. what i see in ohio is that we do have a divided division. we have republicans who are very supportive of donald trump and democrats who are not supportive of donald trump. we should be supportive of
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americans moving forward and getting things accomplished. i'm running as somebody who is sick and tired of the political establishment who worries more about elections than worries about getting things accomplished. >> there hasn't been a whole heck of a lot accomplished in washington here since the president took office. you would concede that point i would imagine. and now word over the last hour or two that he plans t live tweet to a certain extent this testimony from the former fbi director on thursday. does that strike you as something that's a good idea? >> first off i disagree, we have gotten many things done and overturned many job killing regulations. the president has overturned many of the executive orders that the previous president had done. we've also gotten a supreme court judge that the people wanted. he talked about a group he was going to bring forward. we've gotten that done. now we've run into the problem where we need republicans and democrats to come together. that's where it's going to be difficult because we have a divided system where politics
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overtake -- >> how is the system divided? republicans control both houses of congress and the white house. >> you know that's not the case if you use the 60 vote rule in the senate. when you need 60 votes we have a divided system and only 52 republicans. it would be easy if the republicans had 60, 61 votes. you could move some things forward. today and by the way, i'm not -- i believe we should work together. i believe we should work with democrats to get things done. so i'm not saying that's not the answer. i think that's the key. we have to work together. i think this president trying to work together. look, he has democrats in his cabinet. he is trying to work together to get some things accomplished and that's important. we have to get politics out of the way and start working toward getting things done for the american people. >> all right. we'll leave it there. congress man, thanks for your time. >> thank you. this is for syria, new information about the man who screamed those words as he attacked a police officer with a hammer near the notre dame cathedral in paris. the latest on that developing
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turning to the breaking news out of paris this afternoon. europe on edge once again after an attack on a police officer just a short time ago outside notre dame cathedral. police say the suspect attacked the officer with a hammer yelling, quote, this is for syria. that's when a second officer on the scene shot that suspect, wounding him. the suspect has been taken to the office -- excuse me taken to the hospital. nbc's lucy kafanov joins me from london and kris dickey from the daily beast outside the cathedral. lucy, you have new reporting and new information about one of the folks trapped inside the cathedral. what can you tell us? >> good afternoon, craig. that's right. we're learning that insides the notre dame cathedral at the time of the attack was a former u.s. ambassador to the united nations nancy sewederberg.
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she is okay and was posting on twitter from her personal twitter account and said she was admiring the church's stain glassed windows when she heard an announcement in french urging visitors to stay calm as police dealt with an incident outside. it appears she is out. hundreds of other people who were in the cathedral on lockdown are out and safe that's according to at least one american tourist who was also tweeting about her experience and you heard my colleague kelly mention that the unterterrorism investigation that has now been openedo investigate this attack. craig, wveeard from the french interior minister earlier. he said police believe the attacker was an algerian student according to, again, the french interior -- according to an i.d. card found on him. now they still need to verify it to see whether it was real, but he reportedly had not just a hammer but kitchen knives on him as well. the french interior minister saying we've gone from a sophisticated terrorism to terrorism where any tool will
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do. and that is unfortunately quite similar to what we have been seeing here in the uk, in berlin, where a van, knives were again used as weapons of war. craig? >> lucy ka fa na. roughly 30 minutes ago, has the scene outside the cathedral has it changed at all? >> it's changed a little bit. the cordon around the cathedral is getting steadily smaller. i'm surrounded by tourists where i'm standing right now. the -- there are people who are able to walk across the esplanade in front of the cathedral, although we're behind a police line where they're not letting us through at the moment. it appears that people, and there were several hundred inside the cathedral at the time of the attack, it does appear they have been allowed out, probably not out through the front door. it seems they may have gone out through a side entrance we can't see from where we are. the situation here in paris is
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returning to normal. we've had some big rain storms and now sun out and the tourists are everywhere. >> all right. chris dickey we'll leave it there. thank you so much. we're expecting sean spicer to hold that daily white house press briefing roughly 25 minutes from now. when that happens, we will bring that to you live here on msnbc. but first, after attacking the justice department in a series of tweets, has president trump soured on his attorney general jeff sessions? e was a way for design to play a... ...positive role in what was going on in the world. there's a jacket that's reflective for visibility... ...a sleeping bag jacket, jackets that turn into tents. i usually do my fashion sketches on the computer. i love drawing on the screen. there's no lag time at all. it feels just like my markers. with fashion, you can dress people and help people. it's really cool to see your work come to life.
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well the honeymoon may be over for president trump and jeff sessions, his attorney general, two days before former fbi director james comey testifies on the hill "the new york times" has an inside look at the relationship between the president and the ag. sources telling the "times" trump has quote fumed over sessions' recusal from the russia investigation. i'm joined by matt welch, editor at large at "reason" magazine. jeremy peters who owe authored that report for "the new york times" and an msnbc contributor. jeremy, tell us more about this fallout. what happened? >> actually, it was my colleagues that reported on it, not me. this is in keeping with trump's constant shifting of blame to anybody but himself. i mean over the course of his campaign and over the course of his young presidency, we've seen a willingness for him to lash
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out at advisors from his national security adviser mcmaster, to his son-in-law jared kushner to now his attorney general jeff sessions. what's most significant here, though, i think it shows how isolated trump has become. jeff sessions arguably is the cabinet official with the deepest ties to trump going back into the part of the campaign when trump was considered a fringe character, somebody who could never have a shot at winning the nomination, so the fact that there is this now rift that has emerged between him and sessions shows you that donald trump is really just edging farther out on a political him. >> matt, president apparently on thursday, this is according to robert costa of "the washington post" and msnbc guy, he's decided he's probably going to tweet during the fbi director's testimony on thursday. there's talk of a speech as well. but the tweeting specifically during his speech, is that a
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good idea? is that not something that there's someone around him that could say you know what, mr. president, i get it, i know that this is your preferred method of communication but let's take a few hours off? >> by now he knows because enough have told him and george conway, kellyanne conway's husband was tweeting about this, he knows this hurts him legally when he tweets. he knows that it hurts his actual ability to get things done. he's doing that conscious of that. makes you ask why besides scratching a particular itch. it helps him politically. what it does is gives him -- it helps him sort of whip up his base support here. it shows he's having a preference over politics than governance. when he tweets about the travel ban that will hurt his ability to have a travel ban but helps him make a case with his own supporters that look, the courts, the media -- >> they're all against me. >> all against me. he likes that position better than he likes the messy stuff of
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governance. and i think that's kind of alarming in its own -- on its own way, then what do you do with that? and i worry about the next time we have a crisis a terrorist attack in this country, that he's going to then sort of use this to try to have a political influence on the courts and other people as he tries to engage in measures that would be unsound in those. >> i want to play something that richard burr said yesterday about the comey hearing on thursday. >> has mueller urged him not to talk about the russian investigation or stay away from certain areas? >> they've talked, but i understand that the special counsel has not fenced him off in any way, shape, or form from the items he intends to talk about. >> what do you make of that? a lot of build up? what are you expecting on thursday? >> it's all about the conversation that james comey had with donald trump.
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some republicans are going to try to make it about unmasking and this and that, and donald trump is certainly going to do this, but it's going to be about this conversation and the gap between that. that is as close as we have right now, take away all the speculation about trump, by the more kind of wishful thinking sector of the democratic party and people who don't like trump right now, but the actual kind of obstruction of justice with about that conversation with comey is where i think presidential trump is in the most peril. i think it will be drilling down into that and then there will be a lot of political fog on the outside of it. >> jeremy, the president also raised a fair amount of eyebrows today with another tweet, go figure, this one about qatar. this is the series of twoetss actually, but we should know qatar home to america's largest base in the middle east. the president appearing to blame them above all others for funding extremism.
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i won't read all through these tweets but agreed with saudi arabia and other nations that qatar alone isesponsible for funding terrorism. is that, jeremy, again, facts are important here, is there any truth to that on any level? >> i think the bigger question, craig, is what is the diplomatic implication of all this and if trump's goal, which it was, when he went to the middle east last week, was to further isolate iran and unite nations like saudi arabia in a common cause against iran, driving qatar further into the arms of the iranians is not a great idea. i mean you don't want to embolden iran even further and give them any more, you know, political or even, you know, military support that then they already have. so i mean, this goes back to what matt was talking about earlier, the lack of discipline
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that the president trump shows when he fires off these tweets. there are not just political ramifications for him and his popularity. there are serious real world legal military diplomatic consequences and i think that's what you could see her. >> we were talking during the commercial break about something unrelated to what we're talking about now, but it's a conversation worth continuing. the news yesterday that the privatization or attempt to privatize air traffic controllers in this country. i thought it came out of nowhere. you informed me this is something that has been percolating for a while, a movement afoot among [ inaudible ] to get this done. what was the impetus and is this something realistically that could happen in this country? >> it could happen. it's what canada does and t united kingdom does, countries in europe do. putting air traffic control outside of the realm of politics. we almost had to during the government shutdown of 2013, you know, because this is funded by
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taxes, you know, it was -- put in jeopardy here. this allows you to modernize and have it pay for itself by the users who use the air traffic control system. it's get us out of the 1960s, put nous the 21st century. a lot of stakeholders in this process including the relevant unions are in favor of it. so this is where the trump administration is interested in governance in the regulatory area. but in terms of legislation and a bunch of other stuff there isn't a lot of evidence that the trump administration is doing much. >> is it going to mean if it happens, will it mean my delays at laguardia are over? >> nothing will make your delays at laguardia over but it will will be fewer delays in the system. >> matt welsh, thank you. >> our apologies to you, by the way, jeremy peters. we confused you with peter baker. that's why there was confusion over who wrote the article at
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"the new york times." >> no problem. >> a hess lesser man would have taken credit. >> peter would have my head. >> we keep a close eye on the briefing room. sean spicer expected to step up to that podium just a few minutes from now. we're told it is mr. spicer, not sara huckabee sanders. can the trump administration get past the russia controversy or has it lost control of the messaging. former obama communications director anita dunn is going to join me right after this. you th, the future's going to be a nightmare! does nobody like the future? c'mon, the future. he obviously doesn't know intel is helping power autonomous cars and the 5g network they connect to. with this, won't happen in the future. thanks, jim. there's some napkins in the glovebox. okay, but why would i need a napkin? you could have just told me a bump was coming. we know the future. because we're building it.
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white house communications staff going to have another chance to impress their boss. this after president trump appeared to say that he was his own best spokesman today tweeting quote fake mainstream media working so hard to get me not to use social media. they hate that i can get the honest and unfiltered message out. jonathan capeheart and anita dunn former white house
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communications director under president obama. how would you characterize the communications strategy of this administration so far? >> show me a strategy at some point and i will try to characterize it for you. i was thinking that what the white house is letting be known about the president's probable tweeting in rapid response to comey testimony is everything you need to know. there was discussion about a war room and was it going to be inside or outside and really building the infrastructure. the white house needs to move forward at a time like this. it has as it always seems to with this white house devolved to what the president is going to say through his preferred method of communicating with ople. it all on him again. sean spicer is about to take the podium again. it's not a time for a white
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house to decide that they are going to just throw it all away and let the president do whatever he wants. >> you mentioned that war room. hallie jackson reporting that this was a concept that apparently was thought about and someone was working on the war room and they were going to have this war room to respond specifically to the comey testimony. do we know what happened to the war room? >> no. this is the thing about the trump administration and president trump in particular. you cannot trust or depend on anything that they say until they are sort of duty bound or required to do something that locks them in. so that's a bill signing. that's signing an executive order that does something specific rather than let's set up a task force and meet about this thing. we have seen this many times in
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the past. he was going to renegotiate nafta on day one and then changed his mind. this war room i'm not surprised. they were talking about having the president's tweets checked and vetted by a lawyer. look how well that worked out. >> speaking of twitter, the reporting coming from your paper from robert costa that the president has decided even on thursday as his former fbi director pleads the fifth -- not the fifth but takes t oath. the president is going to be tweeting this. how is that on any level a good idea? is this something solely aimed at his base? >> i think it is important communication with his base. it's an interesting thing because his twitter following and his ability to communicate
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directly with his base could be used in service of a legislative agenda in service of his policy initiatives if they had the discipline to actually do it. think about if he was using that communication to motivate people around infrastructure and around his tax policies that he wants to push through if they ever develop them. he is using it to kind of communicate what he cares and what he is thinking at any given time. it is not a good idea on a legal, political or communications level. >> there is something that happened yesterday during the air traffic control. it wasn't a bill signing. there was the signing of the memo in the east room there. take a listen to what president trump was saying during this bill signing. >> the previous administration spent over $7 billion trying to upgrade the system and totally
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failed. honestly, they didn't know what the hell they were doing. >> why continue to criticize the previous administration at this point? what's the goal? >> the goal is to deflect. the goal is to not take responsibility. it has been 140 days and he has been president of the united states and he cannot seem to take responsibility for anything that he has done that has damaged himself and can't get over the fact that he is actually president and can stop talking about president obama and start focussing on an agenda that is his own and he can take responsibility for. with all of this i think president trump hasn't quite understood that he is no longer private citizen trump, that he is president trump and with that comes the responsibility to represent all americans and to
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comport himself that way. >> anita, really quickly, i wanted to get your take on hillary clinton yesterday taking administration to task for going after the mayor of london in the wake of the attack there. is hillary clinton best serving the democratic party by staying in the spot light? >> no. hillary clinton was doing a benefit last night that had a global view to it. it was for kids to be involved. and she is a former secretary of state, as well. so i think that when hillary clinton as a former public official sees something like that she is going to say something. >> thank you. appreciate your time. we are just a few moments away from the daily press briefing with sean spicer. when it happens we will bring it to you live here on msnbc.
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that's going to do it for this hour of "msnbc live." katy tur picking things up from here. we are moments away from white house press secretary sean spicer. paris police shot a man after he pulled a hammer from his backpack and tried to attacken officer outside of notre dame cathedr cathedral. while we wait for

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