Skip to main content

tv   The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell  MSNBC  June 6, 2017 7:00pm-8:01pm PDT

7:00 pm
investigation, including his budget and report to congress at the end and everything. >> we're waiting for that james comey testimony on thursday. tomorrow's testimony is going to be a very big deal as well. that does it for us tonight, thank you for your fofor barns. it's time for the the last word with lawrence o'donnel. >> you know, cosmetic surgery. >> that you're only playing at 90% of your ability. i just want you to know, rachel, every night you're followed by someone who maxes out at around 80%, max. and by 10:30 it has dropped, way, way below. >> not true. i hear by object and lawrence,
7:01 pm
in -- you've always colleague, while i was out, you were extra kind and i really ae appreciate it and you've been doing bang up work and i'm glad you and i are going to be the last planes off the island and i look forward to being colleagues with you forever, my friend. >> i can't thank you enough for coming back and keeping this running what we've been doing for the last couple of months here. it is a joy every night to say hello to you when we begin this show and i wish we could keep it going, but get home, get some rest. the only thing i'm worried about, rachel. the only thing i worried about when you're out sick is that you would not take enough days off. that was the only thing i worried about. and i, of course, always take at least that extra day when i'm sick. i'm never rushing back here. but you, i worry. >> i here by reserve the right to take a day or two in the next couple of weeks before i'm back to full strength. >> thank you, rachel, appreciate
7:02 pm
it. >> well, we already knew this was going to be the worst week of the trump presidency so far because james comey is scheduled to testify on thursday about president trump's attempts to get him to stop his fbi investigation of trump campaign connections to russia. it was scheduled. it was scheduled to be the worst week of the trump presidency and now now it's going to be much much worse starting tomorrow. because tomorrow the senate intelligence committee will be hearing testimony from a man who, according to tonight's breaking news in the washington post, will be able to corroborate james comey's claim that president trump was trying to stop the fbi investigation. the washington post report tonight says that president trump did exactly, and i mean exactly what richard nixon did that led to the beginnings of impeachment proceedings and house of representatives that
7:03 pm
then convinced president nixon that he had to resign or be impeached or removed from the office. there has been much discussion this year, comparing this investigation to the water gate investigation, weeks ago senator john mccain said this scandal was beginning to resemble the size and scale, tonight we have arrived at watergate, this is watergate. there is no question now that this investigation is covering some identical to the water gate investigation and that the peril to the president is just as great. the washington post is reporting tonight that the nation's top intelligence official told associates in march that president trump asked him if he could intervene with then fbi director, focused on national flight in the probe according to
7:04 pm
fish offici officials. on madge 22nd after being confirmed, daniel coats attended a briefing at the white house together with officials from several government agencies, as the briefing was wrapping up. trump asked everyone to leave the room, except for coats and cia director mike pompeo. and tomorrow, director of national intelligence, dan coats, is testifying to the senate intelligence committee. there are now three people who we know about who can testify about that president trump tried to interfere with the fbi investigation. those three people are, the director of national intelligence, cia director mike pompeo who was a witness to the president's conversation with dan coats and, of course, the man who we'll hear from on thursday, former fbi director james comey, who says that president trump used that same method on him that he used with dan coats, the president asked everyone to leave the group so
7:05 pm
that it could speak at the end of the meeting in the -- including vice president pence and attorney general jeff sessions sent them out of the room so that he could speak to mr. comey alone. he said i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let this go. here is the moment that convinced democrats -- instruction of justice and should be impeached. what you're about to hear when the president agreed to the idea of asking the cia.
7:06 pm
patrick gray, to stop the investigation of the watergate scam, sound familiar. asking the cia to tell the fbi to stop the investigation. you'll hear the voice of white house chief of staff bob presenting the problem to the president. >> goes in some directions we don't want it to go. that's the white house chief of staff telling the investigation
7:07 pm
going in directions we don't want it to go. he then tells him that he's figured out the best way to stop fbi investigation and that was the to get the deputy director to tell the fbi director to stay the hell out. >> you could barely hear it on the tape, he's simply saying, uh-huh, to bob's proposal and that was all that washington had to hear, democrat republican, that's all anyone needed to hear in congress to be con vipsed that the president was guilty of obstruction of justice. everyone in washington knew how
7:08 pm
the impeachment trial would turn out, he would be found guilty and removed from office from saying on that tape, what you just heard, uh-huh. senator barry goldwater, republican senate minor leader hew scott. falcon house minority leader john rhodes, those republicans went up to the white house and told the president he couldn't survive this, he couldn't survive the revelations of what was on that tape you just heard. he would be impeached, he would be convicted in the senate, he would be removed from office. at that point and only at that point did richard nixon do the right thing and spare the country become the first and only man in the history of the presidency to resign the presidency. how low has congress lowered the bar for president trump. will this republican congress
7:09 pm
hold president trump to the same standard that president nixon was held to, because if they do, the house judiciary committee will prepare articles of impeachment that include at least two counts of obstruction of justice. well, president trump is reported to have said in his meetings about stopping the fbi investigation is a lot more than richard nixon's uh-huh. the uh-huh, that ended the presidency. he's never felt pressured by the president or anyone else to influence any intelligence matters or ongoing investigations. director coats will be forced to reveal that conversation with the president to the special prosecutor, robert mueller. he'll have no choice. he will be asked about that conversation with the president in tomorrow's senate intelligence committee hearing
7:10 pm
and he may refuse to discuss it in public tomorrow, but the committee might then demand that he discuss it with the committee in private. this stunning news tonight about the president asking dan coats to intervene in the fbi investigation came minutes after what was briefly the biggest breaking news story of the day. and another breaking news report late in the day, that former fbi director comey told attorney general sessions, don't leave me alone with trump, that is how the "new york times" put it in the headline of their report of this story, saying, the day after president trump asked james b. comey the fbi director to end the investigation into his former national security adviser. mr. comey confronted jeff sessions and said he did not
7:11 pm
want to be left alone again with the president, according to current and former law enforcement officials. joining us now, matt miller, former spokesman for attorney general eric holder and msnbc contributor. former senior aid, he's also former chief counsel to the senate judicial committee. also with us. former assistant u.s. attorney for the northern district of illinois, he's prosecutored many federal obstruction of justice cases. i want to go to you first on obstruction of justice. the elements of it that were considered clear enough to the congress in 1974 and president nixon's case amounted to not much more than him saying uh-huh on that tape to that proposal of having the cia tell the fbi to stop the investigation. here you have director comey
7:12 pm
saying asked him directly to stop the investigation. you have dan coats, telling associates that the president asked him to intervene and mr. pompeo was a witness to that conversation. where do you think this obstruction of justice stands tonight. >> first of all, we don't have a tape here like there was back in the 70s, that's one difference. it will be interesting to see whether there's a dispute about what happened in that room. whether there's a he said he said between the president and mr. comey. i think we'll discover that later this week. i think what the real legal issue is here from a legal perspective and impeachment is a bit different than that. is whether or not president trump had a corrupt intent when he was speaking to mr. comey and there be a number of things that a court would look at when evaluating that that would be, for example, the nature and
7:13 pm
circumstances of his actions around that time. as well as the subsequent firing of mr. comey. >> what do you think of ma methodology. you've been in many meetings, fairly narrow, fairly large, oval office cabinet room, that moment, everybody else out, i want to talk this guy, everyone else i want to talk to these people. included among those being banished from the room or the vice president. >> yeah, certainly, it's common for the president to clear junior staff in the room to speak to senior people, but here he alleged clear two more senior people to speak to director comey. and you have at, also, the fact decided earlier, the fact that after that meeting, jim comey was so troubled by the meeting. he asked jeff sessions never to leave him alone with the
7:14 pm
president, again. pretty stunning thing to be said by the fbi director. frankly, the troubling factor declined to offer mr. comey that assurance, declined to say, oh, no, i won't let that happen again. that raises troubling questions about attorney general sessions conduct in this whole matter. >> matt miller, i want to, first of all, allow that you're open to respond to anything, we'll take a moment, jeff sessions the attorney general reports tonight indicating that he offered the president his resignation. this comes 24 hours after breaking news report last night that where the "new york times" is reporting the president has lost confidence and complaining about jeff sessions said all of the problems have come from jeff sessions recusing himself and that's what led to the special prosecutor and jeff sessions had recused himself and they'll be going on and here we now know
7:15 pm
jeff sessions seems to be aware of some of that and has gone to the point of -- i serve at your pleasure. >> well, first of all, in respect to jeff sessions, i think it's fairly damming that the president was so upset that jeff sessions would recuse himself. the recusal rules are black and white. jeff sessions had a role. he had no options but to recuse. there wasn't discretionary action. >> matt, let me stop you for a second, what if the attorney general had not recused himself, what process might have ensued that would have forced him to. >> he, ultimately, could have been ngtinvestigated by the inspector -- so for the president to be so upset about not him recusing makes you ask the question, why was he in charge of the investigation or not. he should want that investigation to go forward. the only reason you think he would care that it was jeff sessions leading the rod
7:16 pm
rosenstein, he thought he might exert inappropriate influence and what he later asked dan coats to do. it's a little troubling. the other thing about jeff sessions in all of this, if, indeed, the president has been happy with him since it's been complaining about it. one of the unanswered questions, what did he know when signed off on the firing. if he knew that the president was upset with comey's handling of the russia case and it's hard to imagine that the president was calling dan coats and mike pompeo and mike rogers all whom people we barely know, he wasn't asking the same questions. jeff sessions knew about that when he signed up, there was a massive scandal and makes him, you know, really as attorney general. >> of course, we're talking about it as a criminal case. in impeachment there is no system or standard. it is literally whatever the
7:17 pm
house -- there's also no standard of proof, it's not a matter of beyond a reasonable doubt so you don't need all those courtroom standards to be cleared in impeachment, it's actually a lower threshold. the threshold we saw used with president nixon for this, certainly if applied here would absolutely lead to such an article of impeachment in the house. >> well, it's important to note that back in the '70s, the republicans didn't control congress, you know, i'm not an expert on politics and the winds are going to blow in congress, let me tell you, certainly, i will expect -- and really, i think what we're seeing here, today, is a number of very unusual that are raising eyebro
7:18 pm
eyebrows. i will tell you as a prosecutor, former prosecutor, i never heard of anyone being upset with someone else recusing themselves. that happened all the time. sometimes if you didn't have to recuse herself, so it's hard to understand why someone will be upset about it. and frankly, and if mr. sessions did leave, his attorney general, who will replace him, could there be someone else with mr. rosenstein overseeing that investigation. >> what's your read of where we are compared to 1974. the republicans pursuit of the articles in impeachment and it was finally republicans who went up to who said to him and said you cannot resign this. how can you compare that to
7:19 pm
where we are now. >> i think the political will is not there in the republican party right now. it's the legal battle. of course everybody in a legal standpoint, there's a practical standpoint. it's something that 12 jurors are suppose to convince. the majority of them of the republicans, i don't think they're -- the hearing thursday will be one of the big steps. but i think we'll never get to what happened whether the president actually committed obstruction of justice in the full scope of the case, coats, pompeo, sessions, under penalty of perjury, what did the president say to them about the investigation, did he ask him -- and prevent them from being forced. matt miller, thank you very much for joining us, i really
7:20 pm
appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll need you for another segment. coming up, the wall street journ, conservative editorial has decided they know who is responsible for all of the problems facing administration. they fingered the culprit. it is all the fault of the president himself. there's nothing more important to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. gets it. and with their price match, i know i'm getting the best price every time. now i can start relaxing even before the vacation begins. your vacation is very important. that's why makes finding the right hotel for the right price easy. visit now to find out why we're booking.yeah!
7:21 pm
the future isn't silver suits anit's right now.s, think about it. we can push buttons and make cars appear out of thin air.
7:22 pm
find love anywhere. he's cute. and buy things from, well, everywhere. how? because our phones have evolved. so isn't it time our networks did too? introducing america's largest, most reliable 4g lte combined with the most wifi hotspots. it's a new kind of network. xfinity mobile. >> stay away from certain areas. >> they've talked, but i understand that --
7:23 pm
will you be ready when the moment turns romantic? cialis for daily use treats ed and the urinary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have a sudden decrease or loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis. and get medical help right away. i'm about to pop a cap of "mmm fresh" in that washer with unstopables in-wash scent boosters by downy. because this scent lasts up to 12 weeks, which is longer than any relationship i've ever been in. freshness for weeks! i know you worry i can't keep up with our weekly tee times. dear son, but i've been taking osteo bi-flex ease. it's 80% smaller but just as effective. which means you're in big trouble, son.
7:24 pm
improved joint comfort in seven days. osteo bi-flex ease. made to move. today white house press secretary sean spicer tried to convince the media that the president will be way too busy on thursday to watch james comey's testimony. >> please tell us what the president is going to be doing on thursday at 10:00 a.m. is he going to watch former director comey's testimony up on capitol hill. >> he's got a full day, there's infrastructure meeting with mayors and governors to talk about what we just -- some of the projects that we need to get out public private partnership. >> look, as i just said, president is going to have a very very busy day and as he does all the time. i think his focus is going to be
7:25 pm
pursuing the agenda. >> watching post reported, i'm told by two white house sources that president trump does not plan to put down twitter on thursday, may live tweet if he feels the need to respond. today the washington journal argued that tweeting is the president's self destructive behavior, that was their term, as evidenced by his most recent tweets about london's mayor and own travel ban. he writes, he may find himself running an administration with no one but his family and brietbart staff. and what happened to the buck stops here, mark it all down that further evidence that the most effective opponent of the trump presidency is donald j. trump. joining us now from florida and
7:26 pm
back with us, people of talent and will not work -- are they working in it. comey is gone, sessions, of all people, offered to resign coats and rogers have said we're not going to defend you. here is the important thing, lawrence, about his tweets. the moment he takes a tweet under oath, it's called perjury. and this is, ultimately, what's going to be the downfall of president trump, listen. we'll talk on that, talked a little bit about what it takes to get to impeachment. the reality is, the moment that the president of the united states says under oath what he's saying on twitter, it's called perjury, that leads to his impeachment and why people not wanting to work with him, scared to work with him, people leave and others beginning to shy away. >> there's report tonight that the reason president trump has
7:27 pm
ended up the same old lawyer he's used for years here in new york defending him in these investigations is that he could not find a reputable washington law firm willing to take him on because they believe it's unworkable, you cannot have relationship with him as a client. >> if the president can't even hire a lawyer, like, all kind of horrible people are able to hire lawyers. this is about as low as it gets. it's funny accept the fact i say it isn't funny at all. we have a president with no credibility, that no one is willing to represent his view in the political arena or in the legal arena. in other words, the tweets are a serious problem, but what's more serious is the mindset that the tweets reflect. we're capturing what he's really
7:28 pm
thinking about these things and what he's thinking about these things, and so the tweets, but it's a problem for our country, that's what our president to see. >> now that tomorrow's hearing is starring dan coats, who is the -- but also at that hearing tomorrow, andrew mccabe, the acting fbi director will be there and nsa director, mike rogers who has already testified about russian interference in the election, and as much as dan coats might not want to discuss his conversation with the president that's being reported tonight about the president asking him, certainly they're going to ask questions about that. >> they certainly will. they were in the subject matter
7:29 pm
and democrats are going to try very hard. this is true comey questioning, as well. and, listen, how much do our intelligence officials defer and say there's an active investigation. at the end of the day, though, all of this is going to lead to getting the president of the united states under oath and democrats taking the house. those are the two triggers. let's not over play it, i think we'll see our intelligence chiefs defer a little bit and say there's an active investigation, we'll defer on issues. >> before we go, you've done hearings like this how to approach the subject when the witnesses don't want to talk about it, what do you expect to see. >> i think verb tense is very important. they'll look for witnesses say, that justice has not been, all that the investigation is still
7:30 pm
proceeding. the question, did he try to stop the investigation? that's what people need to be looking for tomorrow. >> please stick around, we'll use you in another discussion. coming up, today republican congressional leadership met with the president. no word yet on whether they told the president that they are tir tired. in the mirror everyday. when i look in the mirror everyday. everyday, i think how fortunate i am. i think is today going to be the day, that we find a cure? i think how much i can do to help change people's lives. that helps me to keep going to cure this. my great great grandfather lived to be 118 years old. i've heard many stories from patients and their physicians about what they are going through. i often told people "oh i'm going to easily live to be 100" and, uh, it looks like i might not make it to retirement age.
7:31 pm
we are continually learning and unraveling what is behind this disease. i may not benefit from those breakthroughs, but i'm sure going to... i'm bringing forward a treatment for alzheimer's disease, yes, in my lifetime, i will make sure. and you're about in to hit 'send all' on some embarrassing gas. hey, you bought gas-x®! unlike antacids, gas-x ® relieves pressure and bloating fast. huh, crisis averted.
7:32 pm
hey, bud. you need some help? no, i'm good. come on, moe. i have to go. (vo) we always trusted our subaru impreza would be there for him someday. ok. that's it. (vo) we just didn't think someday would come so fast. see ya later, moe. (vo) introducing the subaru impreza. the longest-lasting vehicle in its class. more than a car, it's a subaru. it can seem like triggers pop up everywhere. luckily there's powerful, 24-hour, non-drowsy claritin. it provides relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 different allergens. live claritin clear.
7:33 pm
7:34 pm
today the president nmet wih republican house senate and leaders to restart his legislative agenda. >> at the core of this agenda has feeling and replacing the disaster known as obama care. the house took an important first step to rescue americans from this calamity when paul, you and your group, steve and everybody passed the american health care act. and that was a very very long and difficult negotiation, but it really gives a great privilege and a great concept. now the senate, i knew and that will be great health care. >> the president to try to push a great health care bill through congress was richard nixon, who introduced his version of obama care in 1974, which was, in some
7:35 pm
ways, and that was the year that the president found himself, eventually, drowning in scandal and watching the house judiciary committee draw up articles of impeachment. and so the nixon health care bill never came to a vote. and impeachment never came to a vote either because richard nixon resigned. joining nous, opinius now, opin from washington post. this is starting to feel like the legislative season of 1974 with just as much as the trump agen agenda. >> the only difference, to the very end understood foreign policy and competent in that arena and president isn't competent in any arena. listen, the agenda was stalled before we hit the skids here. it's an unpopular agenda, there's no popular support for giving tax cuts to rich people.
7:36 pm
the american health care act is hugely unpopular out there, republicans are divided. i never thought they were going to get something through and they're not going to get it through now. people like lyindsey graham, there isn't going to be health care this year. tax cuts for rich people, a huge deficit. who is -- i don't see much of anything getting through congress and, of course, as the sort of chaos picks up in the white house, which is pretty chaotic. you're not going to be able to do deals and have the white house host negotiations and incredibly the president come up with the deal. i think the thing is dead in the water, the entire agenda, frankly. >> what do you see happening and how much does the trump scandal effect it? >> lawrence, there is no
7:37 pm
legislative agenda for this administration. what president has to read from talking points to present his legislative agenda. truly, look at that piece you just showed. i served for three years in the house of representative i'll tell you this, the republican agenda was stronger under barack obama than it is under donald trump. listen, paul ryan is the leader of the first branch of government, not a surrogate for donald trump. today he stands much weaker. -- the fact is we have a failing republican leadership in the house right now who can't confront donald trump. >> jennifer, it would be great for the president and for the congressional republicans if they could possibly change the subject in washington to anything legislative but we're
7:38 pm
seeing your newspaper to the washington post, the "new york times," usually once a day, each one of them breaks a major bomb shell story that completely controls the agenda in washington. >> that's right. you know, in terms of the legislative agenda. i'm not sure it be better for republicans if they pass this. god forbid they should take away health care including donald trump's base. i'm not sure that would help them either, basically. he did the opposite thing they should have. had he started with infrastructure, done something that was clearly projobs, he would have gotten off on the right foot. and then he could have worked on other things, perhaps. now, he's getting nothing. you'll forget. we'll come back on september. they have to pass a budget or at least a continuing resolution. does anyone have confidence that that's going to happen, that they're going to avoid a government shutdown. i'm not putting money on it, i'll tell you. >> they get the debt ceiling on the horizon, thank you both for
7:39 pm
joining us next. >> coming up. as the world watches the trump presidency drowning in scandal, many countries have decided their relationship with the united states must change as long as donald trump is president.
7:40 pm
dear son, i know you worry i can't keep up with our weekly tee times. but i've been taking osteo bi-flex ease. it's 80% smaller but just as effective. which means you're in big trouble, son. improved joint comfort in seven days. osteo bi-flex ease. made to move.
7:41 pm
hey katy, you got a minute? sure. i'll scroll through my feed to avoid making eye contract. cool. i'll just hover uncomfortably until i get the answers i need. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi® double cash card does. earn 1% cash back when you buy, and 1% as you pay. double means double.
7:42 pm
ask u. today the president of the united states attacked, i know there's many ways you can fill in that blank, but listen to this, the president of the united states attacked the country that has the largest american military base in the middle east. of course, he did it in a tweet. the president tweeted, during my recent trip to the middle east, i stated that there can no longer be funding of radical ideology, leaders pointed to qatar-look. he also tweeted, so good to see that saudi arabia visit with the king and 50 countries already paying off.
7:43 pm
they said they would take a hard line on funding extremism and all reference was pointing to qatar. perhaps this will be the beginning of the end of the horror of terrorism, or perhaps not. president's tweets came after seven countries, led by saudi arabia, have cut diplomatic ties which is american military base housing more than 10,000 troops. qatar's ambassador responded telling the daily beast, we were surprised, no one approached us directly and said look, we have problems with this and this and this. it's unfortunate to see these tweets. here is what the president said to the leader of qatar less than a month ago. >> we are friends. we've been friends now for a long time, haven't we? and relationship is extremely good. >> friends for a long time. but that's over today, i guess. today another u.s. ally
7:44 pm
questioned america's commitment as a global leader. canadian foreign minister gave a speech to parliament where she pledged a build up of military partly to concerns about president trump's leadership. >> in deed, many of the voters in last year's presidential election casts their ballots, animated in part by a desire to shrug off the burden of world leadership. to say this is not controversial, it is simply a fact. the fact that our friend and ally has come to question the very worth of its mantle of global leadership puts into sharper focus the need for the rest of us to set our own clear and sovereign course. >> joining us next, ambassador wendy sherman and graham wood who has just returned from
7:45 pm
qatar, that's next. [radio alarm] ♪ julie is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. she's also taking prescription ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women with hormone receptor- positive her2- metastatic breast cancer as the first hormonal based therapy. ♪ ibrance plus letrozole was significantly more effective at delaying disease progression versus letrozole. and ibrance plus letrozole shrunk tumors in over half of these patients. patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. before taking ibrance, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection liver or kidney problems, are pregnant, breastfeeding, or plan to become pregnant.
7:46 pm
common side effects include low red blood cell and low platelet counts... ...infections, tiredness, nausea, sore mouth, abnormalities in liver blood tests, diarrhea, hair thinning or loss, vomiting, rash, and loss of appetite. julie calls it her "new" normal. because a lot has changed, but a lot hasn't. ask your doctor about ibrance, the number-one-prescribed, fda-approved oral combination treatment for hr+/her2- mbc. p3 it's meat, cheese and nuts. i keep my protein interesting. oh yea, me too. i have cheese and uh these herbs. p3 snacks. the more interesting way to get your protein. it can be sculpted, in beautiful detail. or painted in luxurious strokes. ♪ and in rare cases...both.
7:47 pm
this scarf all that's my left to rememb... sayonara. what. she washed this like a month ago! the long lasting scent of gain. now available in matching scents across your entire laundry routine.
7:48 pm
his policies go against everything we stand for. >> that was the mayor of london last night explaining why president trump's invitation from the queen for a state visit to the united kingdom should be revoked. joining us now, wendy sherman, former u.s. secretary of state affairs, senior counselor at the albright group. expert on isis, whom he has just returned from qatar today. ambassador sherman, i want to get your reaction to the situation of qatar and president's tweet about it. >> i'll be interested to hear what graham has to say, it's a serious situation. and what is so interesting here is that the president thought after one joint meeting on
7:49 pm
counter terrorism in the gulf that he had made best buddies with everyone, the seven countries that pulled out of diplomatic relations with qatar, did not give the u.s. heads up, did not consult and told them immediately before their announcement in addition, we've put secretary mattis and tillerson in a difficult place by the president's tweets. both of them after this initial rift have said we all need to remain calm, usually the diplomatic response, they both offered to help mediate and calm the waters here. there's not to say that there aren't serious financing issues throughout the middle east. there are, it is not to say that a iran is not doing malicious things in the region, they are. but the fact is that we need the gulf to hang together if we're going to deal with counter terrorism and, as you pointed out, we've got ten 11,000
7:50 pm
troopers in coalition forces, all of our air power, most of our air power that strikes in syria, iraq, except from turkey, comes out of the air base in qatar. so out of the airbase in qatar. this is an important piece of america's national security. we need the really transparentally talked about what's going on here. not do policy by tweets. frankly, if i was a secretary of defense or secretary of state in this situation i would throw up my hands. my credible would be shot. >> graham n qatar, did they recognize that this is a president drowning in scandal and who is ignorant of all of the dynamics that he -- that would be contained somewhere inside that tweet. >> i think if they were watching closely they should have been concerned by the moves of the president towards saudi arabia which for a long time has been attica tar's throat and saying that they have been a bad player in the region. they should have perhaps seen something coming. but i don't think even they saw
7:51 pm
anything as destructive or traumatic as to what we saw in the last 24, 48 hours. >> the president thinks has a beginning of a victory in the war on terrorism. how do you see it? >> not that way at all. the islamic state is what we are looking at motion closely. it does not exist because governments like qatar or saudi arabia or national governments are financing them. there have been contributions of states. this is a movement that has arisen without state support and instead sort of arising out of the land and out of the support of individuals from many different countries. so the idea that you would ask qatar to dial back its support for a movement and see the end of terrorism is simply fantasy. >> ambassador sherman, what would have happened in any other administration if these countries had take thep action against qatar today? >> i think we would have seen
7:52 pm
what secretary tillerson and secretary mattis tried to do, which is to calm the waters, over the mediate, call better angels to the table. you know, this is getting incredibly serious. i hope there is no conflict that breaks out. i hope that this settles down. kuwait has offered to help. other countries have offered to help. and it's very complicated, as i think you and graham both know. egypt for instance, although it's cut off diplomatic relations with qatar still has thousands of egyptians largely professionals who work in qatar and send a lot of money back to egypt. this is a very interdependent region in the world and we need to understand that and hang together. there are going to be food issues. they stock market went down immediately by 3%. and isn't good for saudi arabia and their airlines which are
7:53 pm
going to be affected by the connections between the middle east. wooiltd we would have tried to calm the waters. american leadership is not about pitting one country against the other. it's about trying to work through diplomacy backed by a credible threat of force to reach objectives that are in our national security. this is not the way to go about it. >> graham, how does isis see this today? >> isis hasn't commented on this. but isis is thrilled to see its enemies who are muslim and arab fighting each other. they see saudi arabia and qatar both as enemies. saudi arabia has diminished its view in its associations with trump. any time there is mighting amongst the coalition that's fighting isis. they say this is an example of how we stick together, we are a monolithic muslim group that unifies muslims and they are
7:54 pm
fighting. the more fighting the better in their opinion. >> look around the world. the london mayor saying the invitation tub revoked. canada saying we have got to step up, the united states isn't the united states anymore. countries around the world looking at president trump and saying we do not have a reliable ally anymore. >> indeed. of course we heard angela merkel saying, after the meeting with the president in brussels, and at the g7 in sicily, that europe was going to have to its own way. now, we want to everyone to step up in the world to whatever they can do to provide leadership. but the united states has always provided global leadership. and probably the most concerning piece i've seen recently was by general mcmaster the national security adviser and gary cohn of the national economic skill in the wreath journal saying
7:55 pm
there is no global community, we are just a bunch of competitors. that approach to the world is playi ining checkers not chess. we learned it in the 2008 recession. as our economy goes, so do others. as china's economy goes, as does ours. if you are going to fight terror terror, deal with pandemics, deal with trafficking, if you are going to deal with climate change, you are going to have find a way to do some of it together. >> is there anyone who thinks the united states is now on a better footing for fighting isis. >> you might find the government of the egypt, the government of saudi arabia suggesting that the united states has put its lot in with the winning teams. now, i don't think, though, anyone who is actively involved in the fight against isis would say that the united states is in a better position than it was a few months ago. instead, they would say that the united states has simply boxed
7:56 pm
in the enemies of bashar al assad and is more on a path toward accepting that bashar al assad is going to be the eventual ruler of syria. that's something that isis is delighted to find, that the united states spending its moral credibility and not focusing on defeating isis in its core territory. >> graham wood and wendy sherman thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, tonight's last word. today you aren't just making one bundt cake,
7:57 pm
but a whole bunch of bundts. and each one could be it's own little sticky situation. but the only thing that's going to stick is a perfect landing. you pam do it! [boy] cannonball! [girl] don't... [man] not again! [burke] swan drive. seen it. covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
7:58 pm
president trump will not block former fbi director james comey from testifying before congress. that's a good call. because if he block the testimony of the fbi director you praised for investigating hillary clinton and fired for investigating your ties to russia and lied about why you fired and later admitted why you fired him, you might look guilty. >> and thursday, as we know,
7:59 pm
will be a very big day on capitol hill for the future of the trump presidency. on thursday night, the last word will be here with complete analysis of james comey's testimony to the senate intelligence committee. among our guests will be harvard law proffers lawrence tribe and former watergate prosecutor jill wine banks. we will ask them if they heard evidence of impeachable offenses in james comey's testimony. we will have the political reaction to the day's events from republicans, from a republican perspective with george will and david frum. george will remembers well the watergate investigation and the parallels that has with the trump investigation. why does the investigation go next? we will ask congressman squallwell of the house intelligence committee and mika owe yang a former staffer of the house intelligence committee. we will have that and more this thursday night here at the last word.
8:00 pm
our live coverage continues now into "the 11th hour," with brian williams. >> breaking tonight, two bombshell reports on trump and the russia investigation. the "new york times" reporting james comey told the attorney general not to leave him alone with the president. the "washington post" revealing donald trump asked his director of national intelligence to intervene in comey's investigation. and a grim assessment of a fuming, seething, infuriated, and defiant president trump. that and much more from the reporters breaking the news font as "the 11th hour" gets underway. well, good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york. and we have a lot of news that has just broken tonight. it's one of those nights when it's tough to know quite where to begin. but the stories are these. attorney general jeff sessions reportedly offered to resign after it became clear that in the president's mind at least so many of


info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on