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>> that's part of reason the ahca has been unpopular. that is "all in" for this evening. tonight, a stunning few minutes of news in president trump's press conference. he says no collusion, no obstruction, and calls james comey a leaker. he claims he's 100% willing to testify under oath. plus are there or aren't there recordings of the trump/comey conversations. the president says the answer might disappoint but we'll all learn it soon. just another friday night as "the 11th hour" gets underway. good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york. this was day 141 of the still young trump administration. and a defiant president back on
twitter this morning, back in front of the press corps in the rose garden this afternoon taking on the fired fbi director james comey. the president taking questions from reporters, accused comey of leaking and lying to congress. and said he would go under oath for special counsel bob mutualer and teased the white house press corps reality tv style over whether or not he has recordings of his conversations with james comey. >> no collusion. no obstruction. he's a leaker. but we want to get back to running our great country. we were very, very happy. and frankly, james comey confirmed a lot of what i said. and some of the things that he said just weren't true. >> he did say under oath that you told him to let the flynn -- you said you hoped the flynn investigation, you could -- he could let go.
>> i didn't say that. >> so he lied about that? >> well, i didn't say that. i mean i will tell you i didn't say that. >> and did he ask you to pledge loyalty -- >> and there would be nothing wrong if i did say it according to everybody that i read today but i did not say that. >> and did he ask for a pledge of loyalty from you. that's another thing he said. >> no, he did not. >> he said those things under oath. would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of events. >> 100%. i didn't say under oath. i hardly know the man, i didn't say i want you to pledge allegiance. who would do t who woulask someone todge allegiance under oath? who would do that. it makes no sense. no, i didn't say that, i didn't say the other. >> if robert mueller wanted to
speak to you about that. >> i would be glad to tell him exactly what i just told you. >> seem to be hinteding there are recordings of those conversations. >> i'm not hinteding anything. i'll tell you over a very short period of time. >> when will you tell us about the recordings. >> over a short period of time. >> are there take place, sir? >> you are going to be very disappointed when you hear the answer. >> also today, the house intelligence committee moved forward on its investigation into all things russia related. the committee's top republican and top democrat, congressman mike conaway and adam schiff of california announced they have sent out some letters. the first goes to james comey asking for any notes or memos he may have about his discussions with the president. second letter to white house counsel don mcgahn. that letter asks, are there recordings or memos of trump's conversations with james comey. if yes, the committee wants copies, as would the mueller investigation, and the senate intelligence committee investigation. both comey and the white house in this case have until june 23rd to respond. busier than average friday. let's bring in our starting panel for tonight. rick stengel is with us, former underseth for public diplomacy
and public affairs at the united states state department in the obama administration. also happens to be the former managing editor of "time" magazine. matthew nussbaum is back with uswhite house reporter for politico. and we welcome to the broadcast, shannon petty piece, white house correspondent for bloomberg. welcome to you all. in fact rick i'm going to start with you. in the world of politics and law, there is one thing good about having a special counsel looking into your business, saying nothing of on day 141 of your administration. that one good thing is a free pass you get as long as there's a special counsel to say, i can't take that question. any questions along these lines should be referred to the special counsel. there's an investigation going on. the president didn't use that free pass today, and seemed glad to engage on the topic. >> you know, he does it in that kind of new york law way. i mean ever since he was sued in 1973 under the fair housing act,
and then roy cohn his attorney, his owedious attorney counter-sued the government for $100 million -- what he doesn't do is stay quiet. what he does is attack attack attack and wait to be questioned, avoid being questioned, and sometimes under oath he actually has to tell the utd troo. there was a great story in the "washington post" from that deposition in 2006 where trump lied 30 times and had to correct himself during that deposition. that's the standard. >> matt, every see often we read stories about how trump has tried the new way. he has tried bringing in people who might change him, and reverts to the old way. in this case, he has hired his lawyer from new york. may not be familiar with the ways of washington, and that may be exactly what donald trump wants. >> that's right, trump likes the familiar. and he's brought in a familiar face. and mr. kasowitz, his lawyer, was outside -- out there yesterday doing what trump likes
him to do, counter-punching, accusing comey of lying, giving this bell coast statement. and that's what trump went out and did himself today. i think we were all a little impressed with trump's discipline saying off twitter for 24 or 36 hours like he did. that could only go so long of the it broke this morning. and then he kept going this afternoon. >> quite something to watch. shannon, i want to talk to you about loyalty. not yours personally. you are new to the broadcast. but i want to talk to you about donald trump and loyalty. to did that we'll listen to this mash up of him on the subject. we'll talk on other side. >> marco rubio, he's the most disloyal. macy's was extremely disloyal to me. when i like people i like them i am a very loyal person. they have been is he amazing and so loyal. nobody is ever leaving me, i could be the worst person not world they are not leaving me. i can do anything, they are not leave. i could get up here now, screaming ranting raving you would say boy he is terrible but we're still with him.
they say donald trump can do practically anything but they are still voting for him. some people have 10% loyalty mean if they sneeze in the wrong direction, they are gone. with me, i think i can do almost anything and you are with me. i have the most loyal people, did you er see that, where i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay? shannon, do you think he has a thing about loyalty? >> i think there are few mynx more important to him as far as qualities in a person than loyalty. you see it in his entire career. coming up through his father's business. having family surrounding him in his business. this idea of family you can trust. they are loyal to you before all others. you mentioned roy cohn his long time lawyer.
he said one of the qualities he admired most in him was his loyalty. yes, i think loyalty is valued above all else for this president into rick, because of what the president kind of set up today, because of that valentine he mailed to mueller, we may have to take on this question of what makes a better witness. you've been around james comey in public life. we've all kind of been around the president. back when he was just donald trump. who makes the better witness? >> well, i think that's pretty obvious. i mean the fact that he also take contemporaneous notes. i was in many meetings at the white house with jim comey. the thing about jim comey, that he does speak truth to power. it's very hard -- people don't understand how hard it is to disagree with a president of the united states or tell the president something that he doesn't want to hear. jim comey was able to do that. i saw him do that many times. and he does with it the utmost take the bark off the tree honesty. >> matt, this was, i hasten to remind everyone, infrastructure week and the head of goldman sachs oyd blank fine is a very serious person by day. you know the argument is that
goldman sachs supplied a lot of those big west wing jobs. but he delved into comedy this evening when he said just landed from china, trying to catch up, how did infrastructure week go? there is that subplot about this paralyzed west wing. matt, is it true? >> i think it's absolutely true. i think their coms director resigned or was forced out about a week ago and we see they can push a consistent message. yes some of that is because of the outside circumstances because of the investigations. but some of it is just their own incompet incompetence. they can't stay on message. the president doesn't seem to have interest in staying on message. as you pointed out, oh, i can't answer that question. he loves to jump into the scrum. infrastructure week became laugh
line this week. no one was talking about it. mike pence said it was a banner week for infrastructure. nobody took that seriously. >> shannon, you like the others here work for a serious organization. what's your belief, what's your knowledge about what donald trump, the president, president trump, wants to get done? let's say between now and the july 4th break for congress. >> well i think he would like to get health care done, tax reform done, maybe get some money for wall in there. at this point, you know, everyone keeps talking about oh, they are creating distractions they are not talking about their agenda, they are not off message. at this point because they have a congress that they can't get to work together they don't have a great agenda. health care is stalled in the senate. et cetera a unclear they are going to come up with a bill that can pass the senate let alone the house. tax reform is nowhere. they can't agree on that. infrastructure -- if you want that, you have got to get money for that.
you have fiscal conservatives in the congress who don't want to give you money and democrats who won't work for you. it would be great to be talking about message. they don't have a great agenda or message the talk about. fine, talk about comey and russia, it's better than talking about a health care plan that kicks millions of people off of their insurance if you agree with the cbo report on it. >> rick stingel, being an institutionalist has been difficult because of the deep state, the administrative state. i want to play something al franken said tonight about the institution of the presidency with this man in it. >> look, i think he has devalued the presidency. i think that people go like, gee, anyone now could be president. right now we have to take his word versus comey's word? even his supporters said, well don't take him literally. take him seriously. >> right. >> this guy can't say anything
with -- almost anything without lying. and that is a very sad state of affairs. whether it's hundreds of my friends died 9/11. we saw thousands of muslims cheering. you know the whole litany. >> right. >> and it's sad. just sad. >> powerful message there at the end. >> yes, he defined the presidency downward. i actually think going forward there will have to start to be new tests for the presidency. can anyone just run for president? do you have to take an exam the way a new citizen does? do you have to have a mental health evaluation? i think now the standards are all thrown out the window. one of the things i would say to him is when you are a president you have to get over yourself. and he can seem to get over himself. any moment in that job he is
always answering as a personal grievance. and that's what he's responding to. presidents cannot do that. and yet he is mired and bringing the whole office downward. >> matt in youphone calls and travels, is there a recognition a realization amonall but say one guy in the west wing about how bad this is, agenda was? >> look, there is an understanding this is not going well. i think there was a little bit of happy talk yesterday, but more like it could have been worse. yes, it is could have been worse but it was a train wreck for them. you had the fbi director all but accusing the president of obstruction of justice. now the president has come out today and accuses the former fbi director of lying under oath. none of this is advantages health care or taxes or any of that stuff. it's going to become hard and harder for republicans to stick with president trump. one more point on credible. trump is saying that flynn conversation didn't happen. almost no one else is saying that. that's not going to work as coherent message if they are not even backing him up on what
factually occurred. >> shannon, coming off the point that it was infrastructure week was this week, what is the plan thrust on monday? >> as for the agenda at the white house yeah. >> i think it depends on what happens over the weekend. i'm sure they will try to get back to health care. they want to try to pass something on health care before july 4th. i think that's ambitious. but any political capital that the president had to try to twist some arms or win some people over in the senate to say come on let's just get this done, he has really spent that. and he doesn't have much leverage there. if the senate is going to get something done on health care we know it's going to be in spite of the white house. >> it's going to be hot in new jersey. up around 90 degrees. we'll see what it brings on monday. our great thanks to our starting panel, rick citizenel, matt nussbaum, shannon petty piece thank you. coming up, if you are special counsel, bob mueller what do you do after hearing that trump press conference in the rose garden today? that and much more ahead on the friday edition of "the 11th
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xfinity the future of awesome. mr. comey has now admitted that he is one of these leakers. >> it turns out he was a leaker in chief. >> right. >> it's pretty dramatic stuff. >> i think his credibility in d.c. after probably an i will lus strus career has to be shot. he leaks notes to a friend of his because he doesn't have the guts. he has to leak it threw -- where does this stop. >> he is a leaker, the washington leak e the deep state. >> notes to a columbia law professor because he wasn't man
enough to give the notes to give them directly to the media when he wanted them out to the media. >> the gop has got their villain in the russia investigation. it is the fired fbi director jim comey. joining our conversation tonight charlie savage. germane to this conversation, his piece tonight, trump calls comey a leaker. what does that mean. we are going to get to that in one seconds. and peter decidenberg is with us as well, former federal prosecutor and at the justice department, and deposit special counsel book in the scooter libby case during the bush 43 administration. gentlemen welcome to you both. charlie you saw the talking points. there's a lot more where they came from. interestingly, he is being called a leaker and his manhood
is getting called out for the way he did it, through someone at columbia, putting a step between him and the material. once and for all, does this reach the standard definition of leaking from your article tonight? and does he face any legal exposure? >> well, there is different kinds of leaks. a leak would be a surreptitious dissemination of information to the public without authorization. but that -- most of the time that is not illegal. in this case, that is not illegal. there is an attempt in this attempt to smear mr. comey, to conflate his dissemination of his recollections of his conversations with trump with illegal leaks, custom is a very narrow band of information that the law says cannot be disclosed without becoming a felony. that has to do with national security secrets that could hurt the country, essentially, classified information, although it's not perfectly overlapping with that phrase. this was not classified. this was not national defense information. it was not illegal. and the conflation of that is just nonsense and misleading. >> peter, i want to read you a
quote from the "new york times." it's an opinion on the comey testimony. it says, comey set up so many perjury traps for them said a veteran democratic operatedive who serve as mrs. clinton's communications director during the 2016 campaign. how so? can you explain that? >> well, if donald trump were to try and refute the comey statement by going under oath i think that, at least from my perspective, it would -- a lot of chance of catching him in a -- committing perjury. >> and charlie, if you are robert mueller, if you are watching that news conference in the rose garden today, is there any mechanism where you can -- do you rush this thing?
do you hurry up and get that invitation over to the white use sayi i'd like to tak you up on your offer? and you were so forceful in agreeing 100% to come talk to us, perhaps we can interview you the first of several times, you don't mind if we call you back with more questions? >> i think you are putting your finger on the tricky issue that bob mueller the special counsel leading this russia plus obstruction probably investigation is going to have to weigh. you don't get a lot of shots at the president when you are in that position. you are lucky to get one and to get him under oath if the president follows through on what he said. but trump may have just said some words off the cuff that he didn't really mean once his lawyers get to him and explain to him that that might not be such a good idea. i would imagine that mueller thinks he is only going to get one shot at that. and he probably wants the know everything he can learn from everybody else before he goes
into the oval office and sits down with the president to bounce what he thinks he knows off of the president's recollections. >> and peter, do you think if the president had run that by his defense lawyer, any lawyer would have advised him in a public forum to go out and freely offer his sworn testimony under oath to the special counsel looking into his affairs and administration? >> no, i'm sure his attorney was cringing to hear him say that. i have to agree with charlie on this, though. i don't imagine that bob mueller is going to take up the president on his offer at this time. i think he will in due course. but like charlie was saying, he is going to have one shot at this and he is not going to be asking him exclusively about those conversations with jim comey. that's one aspect this case. he is going to want to ask him about everything. he wants to do that at the ends of his investigation, not at the outset, which is wre we arat right now.
>> peter, what are your questions after this week? we have learned a lot in the public forum. what questions do you think they have gotten to right now in the investigation? >> well, i would be very interested in getting a statement under oath from the dni, coats, and admiral rogers. they were the ones who were ducking the questions by the senate committee earlier in the week. and their responses to those questions, getting their answers on the record about whether the president asked them to intercede with comey regarding flynn is really important. because right now the way some are spinning it, this is a he said/he said type dispute between comey and trump. i don't really see it that way. with comey, you have -- one, you have contemporaneous notes. and also, let's say that coats and admiral rogers basically corroborate what jim comey has to say. well at that point it isn't really one person's testimony against another.
it's one person's testimony against the other, buttressed by a lot of corroborating evidence. at that point it is a very plausible case i think for mueller to make another obstruction case if trump were to say that for instance in the grand jury. >> gentlemen, we thank you for joining us on a friday night after a long week. we commend you, charlie savage, on your piece in times on a very timely topic now that comey has been labeled a leaker with a certain percentage of the population. thank you both so much. when we come back, why some words from the president at the lectern today sounded so familiar to so many who have covered him.
that was an excuse by the democrats, who lost an election that some people think they shouldn't have lost because it's almost impossible for the democrats to lose the electoral college, as you know. you have to run up the whole east coast and you have to win everything as a republican. that's just what we did. >> happened again today. president trump yet again talking about his election win, how he did it. this time in the rose garden, standing next to the president
of romania. it is something he has done repeatedly since election night. sometimes when asked by reporters about completely different topics. and sometimes in completely unexpected places. >> we had a massive landslide victory, as you know in the electoral college. >> we were unbelievably successful in the election with getting the vote of the military, and probably almost everybody in this room voted for me. we are you know, very honored by the victory that we had, 306 electoral college votes. we were not supposed to crack 220. you know that, right? i like the state of south carolina. i like all those states where i won by double, double, double digits.
you know, those states. it's impossible for a republican to win. not only did i win, i won easily. so they made up this russia thing to try and deflect because they are embarrassed by what happened. the russia is a phony story. >> joining our panel, jamil smith, senior national correspondent for mtv news. we welcome him back with us. he is of course is former colleague of ours here at msnbc. and matthew nussbaum has decided to stick around for extra punishment on a hot friday night here in new york city. 141 days into this. for how long -- and i don't mean this in a snide way -- is the trump base going to believe that it's just on a winning circulation here? >> well, i think -- first things first. we have to really understand that the most damn damning thing that james comey said yesterday was about russia. and about russia influencing our elections and the fact that there was no doubt, it's undisputed that that happened. what we have here is not just a president who is bragging about his victory. but he is also in dereliction of his duty 678 his duty as president needs to be if this in fact happened and the former fbi director is saying that it did,
his duty needs to be investigating this and getting to the bottom of that influence and making sure that in the next election it doesn't happen again. >> and to your point, the memories and maybe transcripts of that dinner should be peppered with questions the president is peppering the fbi director with, how do we root out and find all this russian influence in our democracy, how doway make sure this doesn't happen again when americans go to the polls. >> instead, he is worry about himself, his own reputation, how it looks for him. i think donald trump understands that in his heart of hearts that his vick east tree is illegal legitimate. with the help of the runs and with help of voter suppression from his own party he was able to win all these states. listen, listen, his victory, it's been certified. nobody is questioning his victory. i don't understand why people are questioning it.
what we are questioning is what brought his victory about. he should be just as concerned about that as an american as we are. >> matt, in 2018, here's a little civics lesson, 435 house seats, the entire house, is up for re-election. it will take a difference of 24 flipped from where they are now to hand the gavel to nancy pelosi of the democrats. eye imagine these are some desperate hours for a lot of republican house incumbents right about now. >> i think that's true. i think for them it's a scary time. there's a lot of questions from health care. that bill is extremely unpopular. to this russia scandal, how much that's going to readnd taint them. but it's also important to remember this is not the first
time we've said hey if a few things go right for the democrats they will take back the house. there was even talk in 2016 that they might be able to do it. the way the districts are set up. the way the republicans have come to dominate in niece rural areas it's really hard for democrats to take back the house. if they can do well in this georgia sixth election that's coming up, that may be a sign that they are able to translate the anti-trump sentiment into real victories. >> do you think there is a permanent base? let's give it a number, 34, 36%, that's kinds of the subflooring? >> yeah, i think matthew made a good point, in fact the jerry mannedering of these districts, the way they've been twisted and turned so they can exclude primarily african-american voters but any other ethnic group identified as democratic. these district are engineered for republican victory. it may not matter what this administration does, but it may only matter what voters turn out. >> i keep hearing because this campaign was built in a non-traditional way, there are campaign volunteers who are going to have to have legal fees despite receiving no compensation. but because they had exposure to things that will get them called
for questioning? >> yeah, which is sort of a sad side to all of this. even lower level staffers at the white house will likely have to lawyer up. probably anyone who rode on a plane with michael flynn during this election. that's the way the special counsel probes work, especially when the questions are as broad as they are here, when there are as many people involved. the tentacles kind of stretch out. it's unfortunate that lot of people who probably had very little to do with the russians and didn't have any meetings that they didn't report are going to have to ep up larry king lawyering up because of all of this. >> i want to thank jemile smith, matt nussbaum, both of you for joining us tonight for our
>>i have jt been to see her magesty, the queen, and i will now form a government a government that can provide certainty and lead britain forward at this critical time for our country. >> outside number 10, the british prime minister, theresa may, whose decision to hold a snap election, as you may have heard, has backfired. her conservatives lost their majority in parliament. may's future as prime minister is now in question. labor party's jeremy corbin was the spoiler. like bernie sanders state side, he energized a lot of young voters, many of whom were uneasy on the brexit vote and the brexit talks. the election is another blow to president trump's anti-globalist message after the loss of marine le pen in france and could be a preview of what is to come in
germany as angela merkel's popularity is surging a bit as she sheeks a fourth term. it all seems very complicated but at the same time is actually very simple. i'm joined by juliet tett. and nile stand itch. white house correspondent for the hill. >> julie, you get the task of explaining to u.s.a. audience what a hung parliament is, how you can be prime minister may, remain in office, but maybe not remaining in office. what's going happen? >> essentially, what has happened is that she needed to win a clear majority of all the seats in parm to be able to rule without having to go into coalition. and she has failed to do that. and that is a huge shock. so esstially that's what they mean by the hung parliament. and the only way that she stays in charge entially by forming an alliance with the du -- d.u.p. of north ireland. looks like they have a deal to form that grouping.
but the d.u.p. said they want to have a curtains union to ensure they can continue doing their business. that totally flies in the face on the line the government has been taking on brexit. the bigger problem though is that essentially british people have said they are not pleased with what theresa may is doing. she has really lost credibility. what is really striking has been this huge explosion of the youth voting saying very clearly, we don't like the status quo. in some ways theresa may is an awful lot like hillary clinton. clinton campaigned on the slogan, stronger together. theresa may tried to say she was strong and stable. but that was really all about the status quo which young people have said no to. >> knile, forgive an ignorant sounding question. can there be a redo on the
brexit vote? is that fixable? changeable, at this point? >> theoretically, it is possible, brian. but it isu highly unlikely for a couple of reasons. obviously, the conservatives remain very firmly probrexit. but the labor party kind of sat on the fence on this issue, to be honest. it was only the liberal democrats, the third and smallest of the main parties in england that was really answer brexit in a very definitive way. so some form of brexit will go ahead. mr. corbin, the labor leader was favoring a softer approach to that in terms of the negotiations which are only, brian, about ten days away, the
beginning of those negotiations so that really points to the importance of all this uncertain that we are seeing. >> there's a short fuse. andrew sullivan has written who is to my eyes just a superb piece in new york magazine. for admittedly an american audience explaining what we've witnessed here and in the uk. i'll quote from a part of it. this week trump slumped to the lowst approval ratings of his term, in upper to mid 30s while being called liar by the former head of the fbi. and prime minister may was humiliated by the brirt voters in a snap election. in the wake of brexit and trump, the forces of reaction in europe have also seemed to recede. jillian, do you agree with that, we are we were seeing kind of a dark wave for a while. >> i think what's particularly interest is that on sunday france going to the pollsen again to see whether parliament will back the election of macron earlier this year. macron is a centrist candidate. very much a globalist. he wants to forge ties with the rest of the european union. but he did that by attentionly creating a new party. he essentially created this whole new movement seemingly out of nowhere.
it's a very positive way of saying no to extremism, no to nationalism, but not doing that within the old wrappers of politics, finding a whole new vehicle, if you like, to express a centrist liberal globalist point of view. and i think that's got a lot of lessons for the rest of the western world right now. because people can look at the republicans and democrats and say well they are both pretty broken. they can look at the uk political ene and say th tories and the labor party neithelooks convinci. maybe it's time to start looking for new political vehicles like in france. >> knile, you know we are americans, we need things explained in paper terms. do you buy that theresa may could be the hillary clinton figure and corbin could be the bernie sanders? >> i do like that comparison. the actual victor in the election is clearly mr. corbin.
he is eye delogically and temperamentally completely opposite to someone like donald trump. what he and trump have in commons is this capacity to present themselves as antiestablishment, anti-status quo. in his policies he's much more like a bernie sanders figure. he shares those kinds of insurgent values. he starked the kind of youth enthusiasm that we saw here. i think there are a lot of comparisons. one of them also, brian, being this. i think increasingly debatable idea that more centrist candidates are axiomatically more electionible. i think that thesis as it applies either in britain or the united states is increasingly questionable these days. want to thank you both. while the jet age has shortened
the pond sometimes politically we seem worlds apart and hard to understand. you have helped us out greatly tonight. we would love to have you back. thank you very much. when we come back, it was something the president said in the rose garden today that reminded a lotf people about something we had heard from a president named richard nixon. just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara® tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. always tell your doctor if you have any signs of infection, have had cancer, if you develop any new skin growths or if anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine.
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any suggestion that this president's ever going to slow downhile he's president or is ever going to leave this office until he continues to do the job and finishes the job he was elected to do -- anyone who suggests that, that's just plain poppycock. what we were elected to do, we are going to do. and let others wallow in watergate. we're going to do our job. >> welcome back to "the 11th hour." that was president richard nixon a year before he resigned the
presidency talking to his staff from the rose garden after spending a week in the hospital with pneumonia. between pneumonia and he had a lot of ailments. in addition to having such political problems all amidst watergate hearings. a similar seen during the press conference with visiting romanian president. we are joined tonight by nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. for history geeks it is just fantastic. >> what is old is new again. >> i talked to a great fan of yours tonight who said find a way to talk about how we have never seen anything like these times. are you amazed by the speed of a democrats working on an obstruction case as we speak tonight? >> so early in president trump's term.
this is really a speed record. in nixon's case watergate did not kick in until at least four years into that term. the thing is absolutely amazing. he has not really had a presidency not under the cloud of a scandal of some time. very different for richard nixon. >> about our last segment, the fact that our politics washes across the pond and the fact that it is all kind of interrelated, do you buy that while you and i have had conversations about what sounded like a wave with very dark echoes especially in europe, we have 100,000 holocaust survivors left alive today and sure sounded like we were going backwards. do you think the tide may be turning a bit back the other way now? >> i think perhaps so. we sure saw that in the election in france.
you have to have hope that that does happen. i think the fascinating thing i was watching that you and i had not had a chance to talk since election results in england. one thing we don't have in england and the united states is a president on the night of his election having to stand next to his opponent next to an opponent called lord buckethead. >> i will suggest it and you can back me up. something we say a lot around here and that is republicans were the heroes of watergate. it deserves to be pointed out often. do you think given the fact that we are going into some tumlt in washington where you are it's already loaded and on its way. do you think we have states men and women today who are up to
the challenge in both houses of congress? >> i think we do although even in watergate times members of richard nixon's own party were reluctant to come out against him until 1974. one of the things that turned it were two or three special elections which went in the direction of democrats had been expected to be republican and the republicans began to get very nervous and a little more courageous. but the big thing as you well know that turned everything was the tapes coming back to what you said at the beginning. without those tapes richard nixon might not have been driven out of office. that decision was made just before that video you showed at the beginning of the segment. he was in the hospital and debating whether to have tapes destroyed or not. nixon made the decision to provide him some kind of protection.
you wish that donald trump knew a little bit more about history than just his own experience in what he experiences through friends and family because i think every other president probably from gerald ford through barack obama in some lobe of their brain are remembering what happened to nixon that he was nailed for obstruction of just skps they certainly never would have -- >> great author and great friend thank you for coming on on a friday night. >> good to see you. coming up after our final break, trump's go-to promise delivering something in the near future. back with more on that right after this.
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do tapes exist of your conversations with him? >> i will tell you about that maybe sometime in the very near future. >> seem to be hinting that there are recordings. >> i will tell you over a very short period of time. do you have a question here? >> when will you tell us? >> fairly short period of time. >> fairly short period of time. last thing before we go. president trump in the rose garden saying he will let america know if there are tapes of his conversations with james comey very short period of time in the very near future, a timeline we have heard from mr. trump before. even a cursory review of his rhetorical history reveals it's a mythical date in the future that often has no basis in reality.
>> his grandmother in kenya said he was born in kenya and i was there and i witnessed the birth. she is on tape. i think that tape will be produced. >> they said my wife might have come in illegally. can you believe that one? they said headlines maybe she came in illegally. maybe. let me tell you one thing. she wi hava little new conference over the next couple of weeks. >> we are building a wall. it will start soon. >> we want america still made in america. you will be hearing more about this in the very near future. >> i think we are going to have great legislative victories in the very near future. one is health care and one is tax reform. >> the answer to if the recordings exist an idea invented by the president in twitter will come in the quote very near future. that is our broadcast for
tonight and for a busy news week. have a good weekend. good night from new york. power speaks to truth. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews up in boston. james comey delivered powerful testimony yesterday about a president who lies, abuses power, and can't be trusted. and today president trump responded, defying and denying comey's written sworn account of what his then fbi director said he did, saying he would do so under oath. >> he did say under oath that you told him to let the flynn -- you said you hoped the flynn investigation -- he could let it go. >> i didn't say that. >> so he lied about that? >> well, i didn't say that.