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near future. >> he seemed to be hinting that there are recordings of those conversations. >> i'm not hinting anything. >> when will you tell us? >> over a fairly short period of time. >> so it was during that same press availability that president trump said he would even testify under oath about the meeting with james comey, but some republican lawmakers warn not so fast. >> that's a matter for the president. but like we say, we haven't seen enough facts that make this -- where anyone would be requiring him to do it. >> as you would imagine on the other side of the aisle, a distinctly different scene with some democrats doubting whether the president will ever come clean. >> if there are tapes, you can believe they won't see the light of day because now what the president is setting up is he said/she said. and it's a matter of trying to get to who is telling the truth. but i believe on this one, comey is telling the truth. and the president is absolutely
lying. >> late yesterday the senate judiciary committee formally requested copies of comey's memos detailing his one on one with the president. after comey testified earlier in the week that he asked a friend to leak those notes to the press. so we're also following breaking news from afghanistan where this is just in two u.s. soldiers were killed when an afghan army soldier opened fire on them and the shooter was killed after the attack. the two other u.s. soldiers also injured in this incident. now the president has been briefed on the situation. we're going to bring you more information on this story as soon as it becomes available. and we mentioned the president being briefed. he is spending the weekend at his private home on the grounds of his bed minister golf course in new jersey this weekend. nbc's kelly o'donnell is nearby in branchburg. let's talk about this, kelly. i know there were some strategy sessions going on this weekend, a working weekend for trump and his team. what have we learned about the afghan incident? >> reporter: well, we had one of the members of the president's staff come to meet with
reporters not long ago. and they tell us that a member of the national security council has briefed the president on what they described as the emerging situation in afghanistan. but it gives you an idea on how, you know, beautiful saturday afternoon when world events require the president's attention, there's an apparatus that travels with him to make sure he is in the loop on that. now, they didn't have a lot of details. and our reporting that you just read about the loss of u.s. soldiers is one would presume part of the briefing, but the white house was not getting in front of that. there's always a system of identifying those persons who might be lost in a situation like that, and the pentagon protocol. they're not trying to get in the way of that but just informing the group of reporters traveling with the president that he is briefed on this and that as new developments may parent through the day he'll continue to get briefings. but beyond that, we don't have any indication that the president will do anything publicly at this point. so we'll stay on top of that if he will make any additional
statement or have more to say on what just transpired there. but as we would expect and this is a real world application of it, the white house travels with the president and when world events demand his attention, they get to him and give him the latest. of course, in this case the loss of american lives is always so dire and difficult, so the president was read in right away on that. that's of course, thomas, a part of a weekend that follows a very contentious and challenging week for the trump white house. they wanted to talk about infrastructure. they had a number of events laying out different policies about what they hoped to accomplish in rebuilding roads and bridges and the air traffic control system, and a whole host of things that are often popular among constituents and even lawmakers of both parties. there were governors who came to the white house, but as you well know, the president's own comments in the rose garden about matters relating to james comey and the investigation were certainly getting a lot of the attention and the president was
pressed about his challenge to comey's authenticity and credibility. here was his exchange with one of our colleagues in the rose garden talking about the james comey matter. here is the president. >> would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of these events. >> 100%. >> who would ask a man to pledge allegiance under oath. think of it, i hardly know the man. it doesn't make sense. no, i didn't say that. and i didn't say the other. >> so if robert mueller wanted to speak with you about that -- >> i would be glad to tell him exactly what i just told you. >> reporter: and so the president trying, i think, to show that he is telling the truth here by saying yes, he would be available. what's notable about that is typically presidents do not readily volunteer to be subject to these kinds of things when we had instances that were scandals, controversies, legal cases involving presidents in the past. it's usually a very long process before a president is interviewed or put under oath.
so president trump being sort of out there saying, yes, he would talk about it makes it more notable and the conflict between what he said and what james comey testified to under oath before senators this week is notable, as well as the president choosing that parts of comey's testimony were favorable to him, president trump, believes by saying that he has been vindicated on the matter that he personally was not the subject or a part of any investigation during the months certainly when comey was running the fbi. that is something the president very much wanted to be public and now that fact is out there and that's part of it that he does embrace. thomas? >> kelly o'donnell reporting for us. keep us posted if you get new information about afghanistan. obviously that is a sobering reminder of the real world realities going on. kelly, thank you very much. just to brief everybody once again, the breaking news of this incident in afghanistan, where an afghan soldier opened fire on u.s. soldiers. two u.s. soldiers were killed. two others were injured. the shooter was killed after
that attack. again, kelly reporting how the president has been briefed and we'll bring you more information as soon as we get it. i want to bring in now to our conversation magazine contributor jay newton snowfall sand kate mar tell, national politics reporter for the hill. we have a lot to digest. like i just said to kelly, afghanistan and incidents around the world where we have americans in harm's way, it just is a sobering reminder of the responsibility of our president who is mired with the entire controversy since thursday and the efficiency and effectiveness some would say of the comey testimony. jane, president trump would say by -- in the rose garden to jonathan carl, 100% he's willing to testify under oath about the conversations, is there really a likelihood that that will ever happen? >> thomas, i don't actually think there's a likelihood that will happen. maybe when he also releases his taxes. something he promised for a long time and has never done. but this is such a huge
distraction as you are saying. people forget that this was supposed to be infrastructure week and we have spent absolutely no time talking about infrastructure. the president's agenda on the hill both in terms of the domestic policy and his foreign policy is just completely stalled by this. and all focus is really going to be on this investigation until we get some sense of clarity, some answers here. and that's -- could take frankly years. and so this is just republicans that i've spoken to on the hill have said that this is just -- they're really dispairing privately saying they're not sure what they'll get done under this president. >> you make such a great point about infrastructure week. that's certainly something democrats could get bind, it's about spending money and investing in the country, ledge is slatively on the hill republicans haven't been able to get anything done under a republican white house. kate, we know that the president has also said that he was very -- that the media is going to be very disappointed when we find out whether the recordings
exist or not. now, according to comey, this again detailed memo that he would write, contemporaneously after the meeting with the president kind of give us a timeline of what happened and the president wants to call him a liar about it. the tapes would really clear that up and that wouldn't be disappointing at all because there's a lot of people who would like to think the president is telling the truth. >> yeah, thomas. i think that's why when donald trump said that where the immediate is going to be disappointed. to me that screams the tapes don't exist and the president is trying to keep the upper hand in a time when he shouldn't be leaking information. during the hearing, i was so surprised to see that he wasn't tweeting and listening to the advice of his advisers. that shows a sobering thought he is realizing the gravity of this case and didn't respond in realtime. he waited a little while and then came out and, you know, he called james comey a liar and he was trying to build back his
reputation. so, whether these tapes exist, yes, that's the easy way to know what happened in these. and when i look at it, there's james comey and donald trump. one of them has testified under oath. one of them has not and i agree with what jay was saying. i don't think that toik will ever end up testifying or if it does, we're a very long way from that, if not years. so the chances for donald trump right now is he might as welcome out. he might as well insult james com comey. i think the most interesting statement for me is the fact that deputy white house press secretary sara buck bee sanders came out and her statement was just that donald trump is not a liar. that is an entirely meaningless statement because what would you expect your press people to say. >> right. >> so as far as they're concerned, might as well be on offense until the next shoe drops. >> well, and that could be by june 23rd, jay, that's when the house intel committee they drafted a letter. they demanded that the recordings, if they exist, be sent over. but there is no indication that the president would comply, even
the if those tapes existed. >> absolutely, thomas. and he's not bound to comply with this house committee unless subpoenaed to do so and i don't think the republicans would do that in this case. his own party seems to be tep pid in their support of him as of late. what's really baffling to me is every p.r. person would say if at some point tapes exist, drop the tapes. just dump everything. dump the entire story. get it all out on the table. have one or two bad media cycles. rather than the drip, drip, drip and have this stretch out into weeks, months of this on going sort of speculation and investigations going on and herings and testimony. why not just dump everything and the only explanation would seem to be is that there is some criminal behavior here that they're trying to cover up. >> left or right, the country has been through enough, you know? it's like we've got a stockholm syndrome to this of being captured by this moment.
and everybody should just want to pick the truth, and then we can, you know, move on and do stuff as a country. hopefully legislatively, but is there a double-edged sword for this, cate, when it comes to the democrats. comey really made them mad when he talked about during the general primary -- general election about the hillary clinton investigation, republicans loved him for it. now the shoe is on the other foot, but he testified as well about being queasy loretta lynch wanted the hillary clinton investigation to be called a matter and not an investigation. >> yes, it is a double edged sword for democrats right now. yes, that they are james comey's best friend in the russian investigation right now, but let's not forget just a few months ago he was hurting hillary clinton and her chances of the presidency that he's kind of the guy that nobody likes. and my take away i think from his opening statement that tells you that it was damaging for the
trump but not too damaging. he was kind of walking the line where everybody hates james comey. and he knows that. he knows that that's where he's headed. as far as james comey comes out looking, though, he looks pretty politically savvy in all this. there seems to be a clear, coherent strategy from comey and his team so far that this seems to be like -- seems to me that he doesn't have any other tricks up his sleeve once he testified that was it. who knows? the fact that he was hinting at his law professor friend. he knew what he was doing there. he knew the name would come out. what does he have planned snex next? >> they're ten chess moves ahead and we shall see how it all cracks out. we will continue to follow this. thank you for your time. great to see you. still ahead, my conversation with a reporter about his experience being a witness to a leak involving the west wing and then how that compares to what james comey admitted to after leaving the fbi. giving those unclassified memos
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♪ no collusion, no obstruction. he's a leaker, but we want to get back to running our great country -- jobs, trade deficits, we want them to disappear fast. north korea a big problem. middle east a big problem. so that's what i am focussed on. >> president trump trying to direct attention back to his agenda after fired fbi director james comey and his explosive testimony on the hill on thursday. joining me now is news week politics editor matthew cooper. matthew, great to have you with me. we look at your latest article and you really unpacked a lot of the bigger questions about this. one of the biggest, what will happen to trump?
explain where mueller takes his investigation from here. >> well, i think there's no question as comey said he's going to look into questions of obstruction of justice on the part of the president as well as the other aspects of this russian investigation and trump associates, what the russians did or didn't do. so he's going to try to corroborate these various stories, going to do what he can to corroborate comey's account, whatever account that trump allies may have offered. did they meet at this time? did they have dinner alone. what are other people saying? did trump give a different version of this story to other people? he's going to dot his i's, cross his t's to get the answers. >> this is what senator lindsey graham had to say about that -- >> if you think the special council believes there's an obstruction of justice, mueller is not an idiot. mueller is concluded in my own mind that there's not going to be an obstruction case because
he wouldn't allow comey to testify. if he really believed you had an obstruction of justice case, would you let the only and best witness go through this? >> isn't that a good point. does mueller have some type of conclusion that he's now trying to back fill through the work he's doing? why let comey testify? >> well, i think the senator raises a reasonable point, but on the other hand, mueller has to deal with competing interests, right? there are simultaneous congressional hearings. he has his own work. he can't totally shut down the other processes. you know, my sense is he's he can't not investigate it. he may be operating under the assumption there's not an obstruction charge. he has to pursue it for the sake of a thorough investigation. >> when we talk about a thorough investigation and also the experience that you've had, you've been a witness in the valley plain case, the c.i.a.
leak that happened from the vice president dick cheney's office, scooter libby got hit with that, was not pardoned by president bush. what did you learn through that process that kind of informs your understanding of what we're seeing in realtime? >> well, i think a special -- for my own case and the c.i.a. leak investigation, we see that these special council's have a way of getting a little off track of their original purpose. that is certainly happening in the white water case where kenneth star was far fueled from the original land deal he was asked to investigate. it was a little less so in c.i.a. leak case. even though the original crime, the leak he decided very early on he was not going to prosecute and it became about perjury questions. did someone commit perjury? obstruction of justice in the course of the investigation? the prosecutor was able to get a
conviction of dick cheney's aid scooter libby on that count. so these investigations, you know, do have a way of sprawling out and, you know, that could well happen in the mueller case. >> well, the intent there, i think, that we learned from comey's testimony and not talking directly about flynn could take us down that lane, the perjury issue of what he did -- >> no question. >> what he did and didn't do in interactions with sergey kislyak. thank you for your time, matthew. great article. >> appreciate it. thank you. so we have this sad news to pass along that we just got in as we have learned that the actor adam west who played tv's batman has died after a battle with leukemia. as so many of us remember, he starred in the tv show batman with his wham, bam, pow, the flamboyant villains. west's portrayal of bruce wane made it harder for him to get roles. got a little typecast.
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i hope you can let this go. now, those are his exact words, is that correct? >> correct. i took it as this is what he wants me to do. >> all right, so it was must-see tv i think about 67 million americans watched the comey testimony. so we have heard about american reaction, but we have had world reaction to this. and we want to go to los angeles nbc's gina kim has been talking to folks and collecting different data points from there. gina, what have you been hearing? >> reporter: well, thomas, we're here in echo park, a very diverse neighborhood, lots of joggers, a lot of kind of avid photographers, women in strollers. we're just about a couple miles
as the crow flies from downtown los angeles. lots of people are out. as we've been talking to so many people, almost everybody says, you know, don't talk to me. i didn't really pay too much attention to the hearing. i may not be the expert on it. but then when you draw them out a little bit, let me tell you, every single person that we have spoken to this morning has an opinion and here are just two. marco, rito and brian. >> i didn't vote for him, but it's still it's our president. and we have to support him. that's what it is. that's what it is. this is democracy where we all vote. doesn't matter who you vote for, you have to support him. >> regardless if you're on the right or left and regardless of who is in office, i would imagine that as an american you would want a politician who is going to represent the american public fairly and will be honest and is a man of his word. there's very little that gives me confidence in the way that president trump is governing.
>> reporter: so, thomas, we'll be here all morning long talking to ang lee knows and we'll tell you what they say. >> they're still out and about under that june gloom. thanks so much. that's going to do it for me this hour. i'm thomas roberts. thanks for watching. i was out here smoking instead of being there for my son's winning shot. that was it for me. that's why i'm quitting with nicorette. only nicorette mini has a patented fast dissolving formula. it starts to relieve sudden cravings fast. every great why needs a great how.
president trump's trillion-dollar bid to fix u.s. roads and bridges still doesn't make the grade. why even more needs to be done to make america's infrastructure great again. and prescription drug prices are through the roof. who is to blame and what will it take to finally bring them down? ♪ welcome to "velshi & ruhle" i'm ali velshi. >> and i'm stephanie ruhle. well, everyone's attention this week was focussed on on-going russia investigation, there was a ton of other news affecting your job and your money. >> well, to some people it was jim comey week, but