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although the law required no reason at all to fire an fbi director, the administration then chose to defame me and more importantly, the fbi. by saying that the organization was in disarray, that it was poorly led, that the work force had lost confidence in it leader. those were lies, plain and simple. >> good morning and welcome to "politicsnation". that was perhaps the most compelling moment in the senate
hearing of james comey. and his assertion that president trump spread lies about him. comey came to capitol hill after weeks of being called names by the president. being called a grand stander, unpopular, crazy, and a real nut job. it was then comey's turn to give his account of his relationship with donald trump. three days removed, where is this story moving to you? let me ask my panel ms. plank is a senior respondent at vox.com. charles ellison, a democratic strategist and radio host of "reality check" in philadelphia and robert train um. a political strategist and msnbc
contribute. we're here, liz, three days later. we're told tuesday that attorney general sessions has asked to come in front of the intelligence committee and he was scheduled to talk to judiciary. i understand he now has to go in front of the intelligence committee. what did he learn from comey, and did comey put this president in trouble? i mean, the bottom line is he walked in. when he walked out, was donald trump in more trouble, or was it a lot of disappointment for those who felt he would do that? >> it's hard to see how trump isn't in more trouble after the testimony. paul ryan said it's new to this. it's time to dispel the myth that donald trump doesn't know what he's doing. the way -- what i heard from that testimony is not the
behavior of a president who doesn't know what he's doing. it was the behavior of a mob leader. taking people outside of the room to make sure there's no witnesses when he was talking to comey and asking him -- i hope you can stop this investigation. asking for pledges of loyalty. these are all things that are not normal for the leader of the government to be doing. and are extremely worrying. and for comey to be basically not telling the truth, he would have to have written fictitious diary entries? >> and his entries were in realtime. >> and shared with co-workers before he was fired. >> the president asking people including the attorney general to leave the room, he wants to talk to them one on one, there is several meetings and phone calls. how do you say to president, a,
doesn't know what he's doing, and b, that he was not engaged in an effort to try to get the flynn investigation if not the whole russia investigation sidestepped. >> to your point, i think we learned two things. the president knew exactly what he was doing. if mike pence and the attorney general is in the oval office, that's not a good idea so i'm going to ask them to leave. what we think we see is a president that understands that he should probably have a one on one kvgs and the president is sophisticated to call director comey from his personal phone, knowing that that call probably would be traced and logged. we also know that director comey is a pretty good witness. he was very quick on his feet. he came across as earnest. he came across as not arrogant
and a little remorseful that he was in this situation. memorializing his notes saying i hope there is tapes. i hope that the american people can hear this conversation. so, again, came across as very earnest, very sophisticated and truthful while the president, i believe, came across as a bit cunning. >> and you're the bush guy on this panel. charles, let me ask you, if both my republican strategists and liz who is basely on the left, if they think the president is in trouble, what's the next step, charles? where does this potentially go? >> right. there's a short game and a long game. in the short game there was this assumption that this would be extremely damaging for the president politically, but unfortunately, in the short game, while the optics may be really bad for the president, and while this comey testimony
was very embarrassing that day for the president, his base is still intact. we see polling numbers coming out about a couple days after. there's a poll showing that still 80% of republicans feel the president is trustworthy. still you've got a percentage of whites who feel that they're on board with the president. his base, that voter for him last year in the 2016 election is still for him. so the key here really is his base. if he's still in that 35% to 40% percentile range, really the key here is what are democrats going to do? how are they going to get folks mobilized in 2018? at the end of the day, congress has to move one this toward any sort of impeachment proceedings. they're the ones who have to basically draft the articles of impeachment to make this thing move any more as far as showing
that the president did, indeed, commit a crime here. nothing is really going to move on this until 2019. so the long run approach -- >> what happens, liz, and i'll come back to you on it, charles, because you kind of brought us there. what happens in '18? at what point when you're facing the midterm elections and you're a republican in a district that may not be safe, how long do you stay with the president that has been depicted by the fbi director, this is the first time that i've seen people some on the left, some in the african american community that i work with every day, actually rooting for the fbi. i mean, i've never seen this before. >> and let's remember, james comey. a couple weeks or months ago republicans loved donald trump, praised him for the way he handled the hillary clinton investigation. and now suddenly using it as a reason for why he fired him.
all of this in addition to the russian investigation in itself and all of the -- there's also health care haping right now. there's a repeal of obamacare being drafted in the house and that senate republicans could put out. all the things are going to add up and are going to be a difficult hill to sort of surmount for 2018 for many republicans. >> so, charles, you're the democratic strategist on the panel this morning. how does a lot of the people handle midterms? not only the republicans that i asked liz, but what do the democrats have to sell that they did not sell before in light of what's going on with mr. trump? >> right. democrats have to sell themselves. democrats are going to have to sell a persuasive policy platform message that shows that we've given you the reasons why you shouldn't vote for republicans or why you shouldn't have voted for donald trump. that's an old message.
that's 2016. the 2017, 2018 message, don't forget we've got new jersey and virginia races, but that -- the important message here is why should you vote for democrats? and it can't be this it's all about a resistance thing. no. it has to be a very positive sort of forward thinking message about, okay, what makes us better than the republicans? what makes us the future? and that's what the focus has to be. that's how you have to inspire and mobilize voters for 2018. >> robert, the thing that probably disturbed me most given my civil rights background in terms of my own life's journey, is that in six meetings, comey testified they never once discussed the fact that a foreign government who is perceived as an adversarial government undermined the voting
in this country. i mean, people that fought for voting rights and all is there, but the whole country, the american revolution was based on taxation without representation. the whole idea was to vote. he never, the president, never asked comey one time, comey said, is there anything to russian intervention here in terms of our vote? for the head of the free world not to be concerned that the actual tenets of the country may have been compromised or violated, that is really a problem for me. >> well, you know, two things. one, i'm not in the president's head. and i'm not his spokesperson. remember the day after the election sean spicer went on national television and said three to five million people voted illegally. the think the president's head is not with russia. i think he thinks they voted illegally in this country which is not true. if i can shift the conversation for a second.
i looked at the polls in 1973 and 1974. the republican base for richard nixon never went below 50% n. never went below 50%. so back then, there were republicans on capitol hill that did not look at the polls but they looked at themselves and looked at themselves in the mirror and had their own conscience. and howard baker and others went to the white house, didn't look at the polls but looked at the constitution, listened to their conscience and said, mr. president, you have to resign for the good of the country. the polls are important. there's no doubt about it, but what's really important is congressional republicans in the house and the senate to do the right thing. i'm not calling for impeachment, but i'm saying -- >> you sound like you're calling for resignation. >> that's not what i'm calling for. what i'm calling for is for every single politician to do their constitutional duty and the to put the politics aside. they swore to uphold the constitution. just do that. just be transparent and ask the right questions and have an open
mind. that's what i'm asking for. >> i'm sure the president watches "politicsnation" since we go way back, and i hope he does the right thing and at least stands up for the democracy that the country is supposed to be based on even though it took a long time for some of us to even get participation in it. thank you all of you. >> thank you. >> now for an important update. comedian bill maher returned to his hbo show after his maligned use of the "n" word during last week's show. he atoned for the controversy j a social media lightning rod. many of us got involved in attacking him. but he atoned with it for frequent guests, michael erik dyson before a more complex exchange with entertainer, ice cube. >> what made you think that it
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is the u.s. military racist? that's the question we want to explore after this week. we learned that black troops are punished far more than white service members a new study by the advocacy group protect our defenders found strong discrimination in the military. black soldiers were more likely than white ones to be court marshalled. i'm joined by don christianson and ber niece armor. he was the first american female combat pilot in the armed forces. she's now a motivational speaker who wrote a book called zero to breakthrough, the seven step battle tested method for accomplishing goals that matter. let me go, first, to you mr.
christianson. tell me what the study says that actually -- >> i'm not -- >> documents the fact that blacks are treated more severely punished, court marshals more than whites. give me the data and how you arrived at it. >> thank you, reverend. the facts are they are more likely to be punished through administrative process than white soldiers. we found in the army they're 40% more likely. in the navy -- excuse me. 61 more lakely. in the navy, 40% likely. >> 61 % in the army and 40% in the navy? >> yes. >> okay. go ahead. >> in the air force, 71% more likely. the marine corps, the more serious the response to the
misconduct or the alleged misconduct, the more likely an african american is to be punished. so in the marine corps in the felony level, they're three times more likely to be punished than the white person. we're saying in the armed services, the defenders of the country, the people that are there to keep us out of danger's way, even their people are treated differently, punished more harshly if they are black as opposed to others? it's almost like stop and frisk on a military level. does your study find out the cause? is this cultural? is this some kind of methodical understanding of racial profiling is what operates through the military? i mean, how does this happen? >> well, that's the real question. how and why is this happening? our study shows what the raw
data is, but we don't know the reason. what's really important about this is the military has known about this issue for years. you could probably say decades but they've done nothing to try to caufind a cause. that's why we brought this forward. we're saying it's time for congress to say to the military, what is the cause of this racial disparity. >> let me go to you, miss armor. you were in the military. you certainly are celebrated. did you ever see any evidence of this in your own military experience of racial discrimination in terms of how people are more -- punished more if they're black or more severely disciplined? >> well, my experience was actually pretty interesting, because i fell into three categories being black, gay, and a woman. so sometimes you couldn't tell what the difference was.
but when i was driving through the gate one particular time, a guard backed up. my mirror hit his back. i immediately stopped. hey, if we need to make a report, let's call your supervisor. no. didn't look at my i.d. didn't look at my plate, nothing. an hour and a half later, i got a call on my desk from the base safety officer that said hey, understand you had an incident with one of my marines at the front gate. i was immediately ticked because i wanted to be on site when that happened. but after the formal reporting process, i said help me out. i came through the front gate, no i.d. or identification. how did you find me? he said, ma'am, you're the only black female on a flight suit on the entire base. when it comes to minorities, just standing out, looking different, i could have been standing around with 20 flight students, think of top gun, if something happened, a general walked up.
no one saluted. but when we got back to the squadron and it was reported, he couldn't point out any other guys but he remembered a black woman in a flight suit. you know there's unconscious bias and the conscious. i think sometimes with especially minorities, when we stand out more than the majority, some of that is absolutely going to happen. >> isn't it, though, troubling that some people in the african american community and other communities of color go into the military to escape some of the kinds of discrimination and unfairness in their hometowns in terms of getting a job and career, and to run into it when you're doing what is noble to defend a country has got to be even more of a slap in the face. you're running to escape, and you're running to protect the home of the free, the land of the brave. in here you're looking at this kind of situation, miss armor?
>> well, first, i don't think folks really understand that's a situation that they're running to, because they do have the other objectives in mind, but i remember when i was going into the marine corps. i'd already been in the reserves as a soldier. i was going to be a marine. my dad was a marine and my father was a mum ford point marine. one of the first platoons that trained blacks to be in the marine corps. and i remember my dad saying, baby, i don't want you to go into there. i don't want you to be treated the way i saw women being treated. >> this was your dad telling you this? >> yes. and because he'd experienced it himself. and what i knew is if i -- and i said this to my dad. if i don't go, who. and we've heard if not now, when, but seriously. if we -- because the objective here with the study is not to harp on what it is but how can
we change it. and that's going to take two things, rev. accountability from the top. think about it. the senior leaders in the military right now, they've been in for 30 plus years. it was a different mentality back then. it was a different mentality when i came in in 2000 when there hadn't been a black female pilot ever in the marine corps. there still hasn't been a black female general ever. we have to get to the real issue. how do we have accountability at the top to truly shift the needle and how do we take responsibility to stand up when we see something that can be different? i'll be honest. that's why i got out of the marine corps, not because i was dissatisfied with my service, but i saw i could make an impact as a black woman out here as miss armor more than i could as captain armor. >> dawn, you said that -- don you said it's been known for
decades. you hear an eloquent and passionate statement by miss armor but nobody is doing anything about it. how do we move the government to deal with what is known, what is documented now with this new study that documents it again. but it's accepted behavior in of all places, the military. >> and i think that's the most important question. how do we make sure this is solved? how do we make sure someone is looking at this seriously? and what we need to do is not accept the military's answer that they always give. that they're committed to something. they put out a press statement, and that just -- they hope it goes away, and i think that we really need to do is have public pressure, pressure from the african american community, pressure from others, congress especially, saying military find out why this is happening. find out why promotion rates for african americans is less.
find out why we had very few african american generals. find out why as we progress african americans don't have the opportunities that white troops do. and without that pressure, the military won't change. and accountability is the key. making sure people are held accountable and making sure there is pressure for change. >> thank you so much, don christianson and miss armor. coming up, when it relates to the trump family, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. my gotcha for the week in just a moment.
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griffin's photo featured his father's tweeted imagine a conservative did this to obama. we let it slide. show the irony of the implication was not lost on us. but we'll get to that shortly, because this week the president's younger son, eric trump, while criticizing some democrats on fox news this week, said this. >> i've never seen hatred like this. to me, they're not even people. it's so sad. morality has just gone. morals have flown out the window. we deserve better than this as a country. >> while much of the social media response was focussed on the immorality of suggesting that millions of americans are not even people, at "politicsnation" we couldn't help but note that for the second week in a row a trump son
displayed what we hope is selective amnesia about what political hatred really looks like. allow me to add this history lesson just in case the trump sons are watching. your father went out of his way to convince early 90s new york city that a group of black teens should have been executed for a crime they didn't commit. it was your father that we heard bragging on tape about being able to sexually assault women with impunity. not a bridge too far considering his many, many, many comments on female attractiveness. not the least of which being the ones he made to radio host howard stern about your sister ivanka. yeah. you might want to drop the whole morality thing. oh, and just because i can hear again -- here again is that obama hatred you apparently
missed for eight straight years. funny, because one of the central means that the president was not even a citizen, and therefore a criminal, was famously pushed by a guy you know. you were maybe just too busy helping your dad find the birth certificate to notice. i got history books or and the internet to help you. and i gotcha.
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there fighting it, they would just slip everything through while we weren't looking. >> well, for two occasions, on two occasions ryan was unsuccessful in passing what they call the repeal and replace of obama care. on a third occasion, they were slightly able to pass it with a couple of votes. and now in the senate, the senate said it was dead on arrival. i say push it through. you must consider this goes away with the opportunity for people to have preexisting conditions to access health care. it does away with that, because it gives the states an opt out option. and that will dramatically increase the cost of health care for people that have preexisting conditions. in addition to that, the aca, the obamacare provided extensive funding for medicaid and medicare. it closed the donut whole for seniors. it allowed pregnant women to get
maternity care and provided for mental health services and opiate drug treatment. so this is an important piece of legislation that was really watered down to the bone and sent over to the senate. the senate said it was dead on arrival. we'll see what they send back to us. >> so the people that voted for donald trump, the people that felt that they wanted change had no idea they were really getting a health care bill that would cut their medicaid and would eliminate preexisting conditions but the house bill by paul ryan and the republicans does exactly that? >> does exactly that, and it's the biggest transfer of wealth from the middle class and working class back to the rich. it's a trillion dollars that will be transferred back to the very rich. so this is, perhaps, the biggest hoax, the biggest robbery in the history of our nation. when you had, really, a transfer
of wealth the other way when obama pass it providing great health care for working class and middle class families. >> one of the other things we whipped up was the whole question of travel bans and immigration. you're the first undocumented immigrant to be elected to congress by way of disclosure to congressman where the home base of gnash action network is located. >> harlem. >> where are we with the immigration fight now? >> we know that courts push back on the muslim ban, and some of the immigration initiatives that he very early on in his administration tried to impose. he tried to circumvent the legislative process and go through executive orders after having criticized president obama for programs.
we see how courts have pushed back against his executive orders and have pushed back at his notion that sanctuary cities should be defunded. the courts have stepped in. i think he's going to have to take this to the supreme court. we'll see what they say. >> you're determined and your colleagues are determined, and other caucuses, are determined to fight even though you don't have near a majority vote in the house? >> that's correct. we're going to continue the fight, and i think the american people are fighting. they have given us the impetus, the direction to go out there and fight trump. when i walk around my district whether it's harl em or east washington or washington heights, my constituents want me to fight. >> thank you, congressman. up next, democratic candidates are running and winning pl political offices down south in
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be the next governor of georgia. thank you for being with me. let me ask you. what is the present climate of politics in the out, particularly as it relates to african american candidates? you are taking on this race for governor of georgia which is in many of us, a nationwide, a heady task. has politics changed a lot in this age of trump where you feel you can win, or is it more divided as it's appeared around the country, and we're going to see a polarized vote in georgia and around the south? >> i think the reality for georgia and the south in the sun belt is that we have more opportunity than we realize. what the trump phenomenon is doing is gavel newsing voters so they vote, but the reality is we
already have the capacity to win. in georgia between 2000 and 20101.5 million people moved into the state. 80% were people of color. that means we have a new opportunity to reshape our politics by talking to everyone. and unfortunately in the past elections, we focussed on trying to convince a narrow sliver of conservatives they really intended to be liberal instead of spending our time and energy building a coalition of voters who can build a coalition that can win. >> who have common interest in many cases. but for example, take in georgia, and it's true around the country. there's a lot of people, over a million, you said, that moved into georgia. are they being registered to vote? are they being pulled out to vote? >> and that's a big part of it. the first piece of registration through a nonprofit that i
started in 2014, the new georgia project registered more than 202 200,000 voters. we have people coming in but voters are being purged every cycle. that's the first part of the puzzle. the second part is actually talking to the voters who are registered to convince them to vote. and that's the place where democrats have been the weakest, especially among black voters and brown voters. we have to have messages that resonate with those communities and have to speak to everyone instead of narrowly tayloring our message to convince conserve voters they really spended to vote with us, we have to convince our coalition of progressive voters this time they have a candidate they can trust and a message they can believe. >> now, the issue around confederate statutes, the issue around other matters is one issue that is very near and dear
to people like me. but i think you also got to talk about what's happening with medicaid. what is happening in terms of health care generally. what is happening in terms of what will tax reform do and other issues that also have broaden appeal and bring people in the tent with those of us that are concerned about medicaid and the confederate statutes coming down. >> we have to recognize the people care about their lives. and that means they care about having a living wage. and even more, they want to thrive. we've run campaigns for too long based on survival. let me help you get by. we have to run campaigns that talk about success. we have to talk about prosperity and opportunity. and we have to match it with policies. medicaid expansion is a perfect example in dpa georgia. if we were to expand medicaid in seven years we would add 56,000 new jobs in georgia. that guarantees health care for
the poorest citizens, but also adding jobs so they can move their families into economic security. on the issue of the confederate flag and monuments, the confederate monuments are history. they should be in museums. what we're doing has to focus on the lives the people lead and where they come from and how they understand themselves. i'm -- >> let me ask you this. the whole country is watching your state, the sixth congressional race. is ossof going to win? >> i think he will. >> what message will that send if in newt gingrich's old district we see a democrat elected? >> it will demonstrate democrats can work everywhere when we're willing to invest and work and talk to everyone. >> will that also lead to that same kind of fervor to bring you
in in your governor's race? >> i hope the it's a sustained effort to turn georgia blue carrying it through to turning starting in august but november. more than that, i intend to redefine what we believe it means to lead in our states and too make sure everyone feels they have a part of that victory. >> all right, stacey abrams, thanks for being with us this morning. >> thank you. up next, my final thoughts. but first, the moment that truly defined game four of the nba finals. >> you are a good man with a good heart. and it's hard for a good man to be a king.
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