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turkey. >> that does it for us this morning. thank you, gentlemen. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. here we are, live on capitol hill. as all of washington and the nation are reeling from yesterday's shooting. fighting for their lives, after that shocking attack that took place on a ball field. the president and the first lady visiting the hospital overnight. congressman steve scalise in critical condition as one of the staffers who was shot speaks out this morning. >> got struck in the leg and made a run for it. i was running for my life. i was bleeding pretty badly. we were just trying to stay alive. >> the gunman's trail, investigators tracing the shooter's final weeks. why was this man living out of a bag in virginia and how long had he planned the vicious attack, as new interviews of him are
sourced. >> 99% are getting pushed around and the 1% are not giving a dam. >> amazing that this is the second story of the day, a huge one. obstruction of justice. reports out that the special counselor is zeroing in on president trump perhaps with criminal charges surrounding james comey's finding and trying to halt the russian investigation. so much to cover. good to be here in washington where we're going to begin where house republicans are meeting as we speak to talk over yesterday's tragic shooting. the house officially convenes in about 60 minutes, but today no such thing as business as usual. not after this. each and every lawmaker arriving here this morning. it is painful, painfully aware, that one of their leaders, majority whip steve scalise remains in critical condition, hospitalized just a few miles
away. you're looking at live at nationals park where the game is still scheduled for tonight. this game, this unity, important more than ever. and our team is covering every angle. i want to start with nbc's tom costello at medstar washington hospital. tom, tell us, who is there and give us an update on everyone's condition. >> well, we have at least two people here and most importantly, i think in terms of the injury, we have representative steve scalise, the gop whip, last night president trump came here to the hospital along with the first lady to pay his respects to representative scalise. but the injuries are quite more severe than maybe we first expected yesterday. he was shot in the hip and he is now in critical condition. his staff is telling us that, in fact, that bullet traversed through the pelvis, causing significant internal injuries. not only to organs but also bones that were damaged and
significant bleeding. he had several units of blood last night and also underwent emergency surgery. another operation is still planned for representative scalise. we have other members as well, rather other individuals, who are here and being treated. that includes i should tell you, of the six, we had zachary barth, who was shot in the leg. he was treated and released. matt mika, shot in the chest. he worked for tysons food, a lobbyist. we don't have an update on his condition. officer crystal griner is here at the hospital, shot in the ankle, with the capitol hill police and her partner officer david bailey, injured not shot, treated and released, representative roger williams injured in the ankle as well, not shot. what happened was, as those capitol hill police officers returned fire several -- [ no audio ] >> i want to turn now -- i think we lost sound. i want to turn to nbc's garret hake live at the baseball field
in alexandria where the tragic shooting unfolded. garret, take us there. what more do we know about the gunman, extraordinary he had been around that area for as long as four weeks? >> that's right, stephanie. last night the fbi said they think hodgkinson, 66 years old, has been living in a van here in northern virginia, possibly since early april. before that he was a home inspector in illinois and police there were familiar with him from an incident in late march where they were called to his house to the reports of the sound of gunfire. they found him in his backyard shooting a rifle at some trees. they didn't feel any crime had been committed. he owned that weapon and let him go about his business after telling him not to do that. that gun and a handgun thought to be involved in this case are at the center of the fbi's investigation. they want to find out more about those guns. they're combing through hodgkinson's social media profiles and they're also trying to get in touch with anyone he
might have spoken to back in illinois or here in northern virginia about his plans or anyone he talked to at all to get a sense of his state of mind. we spoke to some people who knew him yesterday. >> he did about things he was interested in. he was -- he was not stupid by any means. >> i was just characterize him as rationale, a loner. >> he never backed down from anybody. in a bar fight or whatever. he stood his ground. but he wasn't evil. he was tired of some of the politics of that were going on. >> and, obviously, his politics had become so much a part of the story. we know that he was a supporter of vermont senator bernie sanders, had volunteered for him. senator sanders came out yesterday to condemn this, saying he had absolutely nothing to do with this and condemned violence of any kind by any of his supporters. the fbi is being cautious about ascribing a motive to this
shooting, despite the political leanings of the shooter. stephanie. >> all right. thanks so much, garret. we mentioned this earlier, one of the men shot is already out of the hospital. zachary barth, he serves as an a aide to congressman roger williams and described the scene with his boss earlier on today. >> they started shooting at me. i was pinned down in right field. and at that point, i got struck in the leg and made a run for it. i was running for my life. >> all of a sudden here comes zach and he jumped in there and all of a sudden here we were arm to arm and mel brooks took his belt off and gave it to flake and i and we helped put a tourneyket on zach's leg to help his bleeding and we stayed down. >> north carolina congressman mark walker was also on the field yesterday. he's the starting pitcher for the republican team. first, i am so sorry for the ordeal that you went through, but here you are, a little more than 24 hours since the shooting, you've had time to
process this. where is your head at now from what's gone on? >> you can see the mood this morning. i was a pastor nearedy two decades dealing with people who has gone through crisis a lot of adrenaline and starts to resonate a little bit. we've been very appreciative of the democrats reaching out giving us hugs. we had a collective time of prayer that i was able to lead with both houses yesterday. a lot of encouragement here in the house today. >> can you give us an idea, again, because when there's adrenaline after it's hard to remember what you saw, when you think back now, what did you experience? what did you see at the time? >> i think back over the last month and a half and noticing this guy a time or two, now that you've seen the pictures, just hanging out there, the ymca is adjacent where i believe he joined in march or april -- >> you remember seeing his face? >> i remember seeing this guy. kind of background distance and knowing that you've been warming up there in the bull pen or in the batting cages where this guy was literally 20, 25 feet away from you at times it is
unnerving. but also, want to make sure that we spend some time focusing on some heroic work on not just the members but the special agents that kicked into action yesterday as well. >> it's unnerving so take me back 24 hours or if you're to go to that field and practice tomorrow, would you want more security? would you want to carry a weapon yourself? >> it is something that we have to think about. i don't want to rush to that judgment because i like being accessible. we did four town halls a couple weeks ago. as leaders we have a responsibility to carry ourselves with a certain statesmanship. we're going to still have our differences. our country's history has been full of differences. but how we share and how we relay those i think is something we're going to have to rethink. >> you mentioned bipartisanship prayer. you led that prayer yesterday. could there be some sort of silver lining that a call for unity or bipartisan could come from this. these are men and women you've
been working with for 20 years and things are divided and divisive right now. could this be a moment where you say hold on, we've got a common goal here to serve this country? >> i hope so. as a person of faith, we're called to love people. it doesn't say if they vote the way that you do or if they believe the way that you do or have the same life tile choice. we're called to love people. i hope that comes out of that a little more doesn't mean that we're going to have to mix it up from time to time but the rhetoric we use sharing what we believe is going to be important in moving in the days ahead. >> get practical with me. how do you think you're really going to do that? even in the last 24 hours, we've seen conservatives say that attack was a terrorist attack from the left, the president this morning has already tweeted, some of those involved in doing the special counsel against him are bad people. those are already some of the words we're hearing, and we're also hearing very aggressive words from the left, from a practical standpoint, how can you be an agent of change? >> that's a great question.
i think it starts -- >> you get an extra point every time you say that so you know. >> good. i think it starts with genuine relationships. there's a lot of super fish yalty in our country today and until i know about what's going on with you and your family and children and parents in a way that i'm genuinely caring where you are in life, chris christie said something about three years ago, i don't know him well, but at a breakfast when i ran tore congress, it's harder to hate up close. i believe that, once you know each other you understand maybe a little the differences. like any relationship. when you have genuinely care about each other you're able to work through those differences than you were not. >> that means a change in behavior. years ago when ronald reagan was president people moved their families here. their kids were on little league together and went to cocktail parties. now mitch mcconnell and elizabeth warren don't make eye contact. you are up close. just not being nice to each other. >> it doesn't happen by accident. it has to have a certain intentionality, where that is definitive times that you spend
together working through these issues and it's not just the members. external forces that continue to drive those divisions as well and dare i say people who profit from them. >> tell me about the game tonight. you are the starting pitcher. >> yes. >> what's in store? some have said why don't we mix it up, put republicans and democrats on the same team. >> that's not a bad idea. i think we enjoy having fun and competing just like you do with growing up with your brothers and sisters got at it full speed and shake hands. i believe this is going to be a different tone tonight than we've seen in the past. this is my third year. i look forward to pitching against cedric richmond of the democrats tonight. i think the spirtsd of tit will of unity and congeniality. >> does that mean you're going to go easy on them? >> not at all. >> you're still in it to win it. >> strike as many out as i can. >> there you go. thank you so much. thank you for joining me today. we have to get to that other huge story that broke last night. amazing this is the second story of the day and this big. "the washington post" reporting the special counsel is now
looking into whether president trump himself tried to obstruct justice. robert mueller is looking into interview three intelligence officials as early as this week about their interactions with the president. nbc's peter alexander is at the white house. peter, the president has taken to twitter this morning responding. tell us more about it? >> let's be clear, this could be one of the biggest developments to date in this investigation. president trump lashing out on the reports he's being investigate for the possibility of obstruction of justice. from a series of tweets he wrote. they made up a phony collusion with the russian story, found zero proof and now go for obstruction of justice. on the phony story. nice. then later tweeting you are witnessing the single greatest witch hunt in american political history led by some very bad and conflicted people. as you noted, this comes after "the washington post" reports that the special counsel robert mueller is looking into whether the president obstructed justice with mueller planning to entire two of the nation's top intelligence officials right
now. dan coats, the dni, director of national intelligence and admiral mike rogers, the head of the nsa. there's also reporting today from "the wall street journal," this is about a phone call with admiral rogers, that where the president questioned whether russia really had interfered with the election and tried to convince mr. rogers to say publicly there was no evidence of collusion. between his campaign and russian officials. it is said by the "journal" that admiral rogers deputy kept a memo of that conversation. mueller reportedly entered this phase of the investigation a matter of days after president trump fired james comey. that was on may 9th last month. the president's outside legal team are not denying this. they did give a statement to nbc news that reads, the fbi leak of information regarding the president is outrageous, inexcusable and illegal. stephanie. >> what a web this is, peter. thank you so much. this is a major story still unfolding. we're going to take a break.
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in a major development the special counsel is now looking into whether president trump tried to obstruct justice. that's right. our president. he responded to "the washington post" reporting this morning via twitter saying quote, they made up a phony collusion with the russian story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on this phony story. nice. in another tweet, he called it, quote, the single greatest witch hunt in american political history. i want to bring in ashah, a former fbi special agent now an associate dean at yale law school and tom served as deputy assistant attorney general from 2007 to 2009, a lawyer for george w. bush. tom, the home court advantage and i will go to you first. as far as obstruction of justice there's been, obviously, the
president tweeting this morning but the fact that the president is tweeting, is this -- can we take this as an admission that he is being investigated for obstruction? because we haven't heard that per se? >> we haven't heard it per se. like so many things in the investigation the whole process is being driven in large part by anonymous leaks. it doesn't surprise me if, in fact, the special counsel is investigating obstruction. certainly we heard the testimony from mr. comey, we've heard reports from other people and again, this is not an indict, it's not a finding that a crime has occurred, it's merely the special counsel asking questions of people who might have relevant information as the special counsel goes forward with this investigation. >> ashah, how hard is it to prove obstruction? i mean it seems up to this point especially in the news cycle, people hear what they want to hear, the debate over the intent of the word hope. it's not black and white, is it? >> it's not black and white and intent is probably the hardest part of the obstruction of justice statute to prove because you have to show that the
person, in this case the president acted with corrupt intent, with an intention to do something unlawful, so there's going to have to be more than what we've seen for it to get to a point of being charged and potentially get a conviction. i think we also need to remember that there are going to be more people interviewed and as more people are interviewed, and we get more information about conversations that the president had, either regarding comey's ring or w he thought about th investigation and how h thought it -- if he wanted it to go away, any other actions that he or his staff took, those could all come to bear on the question of intent. so i don't think we can make a judgment right now based on what we know. >> but tom, what would actually compel them to answer all the questions as it relates to these intelligence officials the president had the benefit last week of avoiding the headline
that he didn't ill his it executive privilege, he didn't call upon it, they didn't answer questions, jeff sessions didn't answer questions, on some level the president gets his cake and eats it too. >> at some point the white house will have to make the call whether the president is going to assert executive privilege. >> but -- >> over communications he had. >> hasn't he kind of already? when you looked at angus king last week saying, you haven't answered my questions, you don't have the right to not answer my questions, they just sort of still sat there. >> they did. again, this was in the context of a congressional hearing where there was no requirement at the time that they answer questions and i think they were well within their rights not to disclose at the time the substance of their communications with the president. that preserves his ability to subsequently assert executive privilege if he decides to do so. >> so now, they're under much different pressures to answer those questions in private to robert mueller. it's a different situation? >> it's a different situation and, of course, the special counsel could have other legal tools at his disposal to try to get them to talk. ultimately a court may have to
step in and decide whether they have to answer questions. i think right now, we're going to be shifting to a different format we're out of the public glare, the special counsel working as he should in privacy and secrecy meeting with people, interviewing, building the facts of the case and see whether the white house wants to allow the officials to be fully forthcoming with him or assert privilege. >> does the special counsel need to defend himself or his position? we saw already this week whether it was from the extreme right or people close to president trump, you know, making an attack on robert mueller's credentials saying, you know, members -- some of the people he's hired gave money to democrats. they left out the fact that president trump has given money to democrats. gary cohn is a democrat. jared and ivanka also. but does robert mueller need to defend himself? i mean he's the guy that's put there to do a job? >> i don't see any reason at this point that would justify removing robert mueller from the job. the standard is good cause and i don't see anything right now that would supply the requisite good cause to terminate him.
the president is well within his rights defending himself politically making public statements about what he views the truth to be or the lack of evidence supporting these sorts of allegations but i see absolutely no basis right now to remove bob mueller. >> asia, walk me through a timeline, once robert mueller gathers this information, what happens from there? some are saying, when is this going to happen already? the truth is, he's only been on the job less than a month and look at other situations, whitewater took years? >> yes. i would not expect this to be concluded very soon. what's going to happen is, he's going to continue the investigation, the original mandate with regard to the russia interference, any possible collusion, now obstruction of justice, and when he gets to that, whatever point that might be, where he has all the evidence, he has to present a report to the deputy attorney general rosenstein on whatever charges that he thinks should be pursued and any charges that he thinks should be declined.
now, at that point, rosenstein, if he decides to depart from the recommendations in that report, has to go and report to congress his reasons for departing. now, things get hairy because rosenstein himself might become a fact witness in the obstruction of justice investigation. so, he may have to recuse himself also. but ultimately even if there are recommended charges, stephanie, it is long-standing doj policy not to indict a sitting president. ultimately even if it's something that the department of justice says this should be pursued, it's going to be handed off to congress and it will essentially become a political question on whether they want to pursue the constitutional remedy of impeachment proceedings. >> can we just take a moment. we have to go, but is it not extraordinary that we're sitting here straightfaced saying it's long standing policy the department of justice does not
indict a sitting president. this is an extraordinary time we're living in. thank you so much. i have a sinking feeling you will both be back here again. we will take a break, up next, we will go back to the congressional shooting that took place yesterday. just outside washington, d.c. where i am right now in front of the capitol. i want to find out more about who the shooter was and why exactly did this man drive to virginia to carry out this attack. we've got some new details and how does this change the way things are done here in d.c.? >> we are being tested right now. i ask each of you to join me in resolve to come together, to lift each other up and to show the country, to show the world, that we are one house, the people's house, united in our humanity. it is that humanity which will win the day and it always wyill. god bless. (dog) mmm. this new
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on wednesday's shooting at a congressional baseball practice. house majority whip steve scalise remains in critical condition after being shot in the hip. the suspect 66-year-old james hodgkinson died following a shoot-out with police. in a separate incident three people were killed after a ups employee opened fire on a package delivery facility in san francisco before turning the gun on himself wednesday. police identified the gunman as 38-year-old jimmy lam. less than 30 minutes ago, jury deliberations resumed for a fourth day in bill cosby's sexual assault trial. the jury has now spent a total of 28 hours deliberating and reviewing evidence without reaching a verdict. the 79-year-old comedian is charged with three counts of aggravated indecent assault. he faces up to ten years in prison if convicted. cosby has repeatedly denied all allegations of sexual misconduct. authorities said this morning that at least 17 people
were killed in that massive 24-story apartment building fire in london this week. london's fire commissioner warns that number could rise. more than 30 people remain in the hospital, 17 of them still in critical condition. and there's big news. yesterday, the senate has easily, easily passed a bill, to impose new sanctions on russia and make it hard for the president to lift them. the bipartisan agreement passed wednesday with only two senators voting against it. and we are just one day after that shooting i referenced earlier and we're talking about all day alexandria, virginia, a picture of the suspect is slowly coming together. i want to share a bit of that story. james t. hodgkinson was described as a quiet guy, very mellow, reserved. someone any of us could easily encounter over the course of our lives and day. so what exactly caused this? we're going to help break it down. joining me msnbc contributor and former fbi profiler, clint van
zandt, along with nbc news national security analyst michael lightener. clint, i want to start with you, what do investigators do now? how do they piece together who this man is, what his life looked like, in order to try to tell the story? >> they had two investigations still going. the first one was, we really got to hustle in this case is a conspiracy. should there be other shooters out there, let's try to find the links quickly. the second investigation, just like you throw a rock in a pond and the ripple starts to go out, the fbi and other agencies are looking at his social media, looking at anybody he had contact with or talking to people at the ymca, where he hung out at the last few months, who saw this guy, who knew him. yesterday there was a report the guy schlep in his truck with a gun in his lap. should we have not done something about that. >> should we have done something about that in a ste where you're allowed to do that? >> should we have done something
where he grabbed his daughter and ripped her out of his car 15 years ago, took the butt of a shotgun and hit somebody in the face and fired a shot over their head? 325 million americans, 300 million guns, when somehow these marry up and then one of those americans happens to be sitting on the edge of the psychological abyss, now he's got a gun in his hand, somebody just pushes him over a little bit, this guy somehow got pushed over. the question is, not that he was capable of doing something like this, but as a profiler, why yesterday? why not a month ago? why not six months from now? what was the straw that broke the psychologicalle camel's back. >> i want to talk about that straw. several congressmen have spoken giving their thoughts on what could have caused this. let's take a look. >> let's not ratchet up the hateful speech. you see stories about policies are going to lead to the death of people. that's political rhetoric that has run amuck and turned into
hate and it may, may be the reason why we saw the senseless tragedy we saw today. >> i feels sometimes the rhetoric out there makes us a potential targets. we're certainly the target of a lot of vitriol that's delivered, hopefully just verbally. >> the nastiness and vitriol is ramped up big time no doubt about it. >> michael, it doesn't matter what your politics are, the hate has risen in this country. if any of us are on social media, we live it. we experience it every day. do you believe politics could play that big of a role? >> i don't think there's any doubt. senator path moynihan in the '80s writing about defining devensy downward. >> say that again. >> defining deyantsy downward. the uglier the discourse is or societal conditions are, you push down the norms. and suddenly what used to be out -- absolutely unconscionable engagement is acceptable. and it's okay. and that just means -- it
doesn't mean that it immediately breeds violence, but what, again, what was unacceptable ten years ago is tweeted about every day together. >> ten months ago. >> the part on the frig feel more empowered. let's be clear. this is on all sides. anyone who makes this a partisan issue is simply not being honest. this level of vitriol happens on both sides. >> the vitriol isn't going away. there is an extraordinary call for unity, but already, this morning, we've seen the right say this was a left terrorist attack. the president has said there are bad people out to get him in terms of the investigation. so, from a security standpoint from the lawmakers what are they supposed to do? we heard from chris collins, maybe he's supposed to be carrying a weapon. >> terrorists attack. if terrorism is a basically using violence or intimidation against civilians to impact upon politics this guy is a terrorist. he doesn't have to carry an isis
flag to be a terrorist. the question now is, as mike was saying, do we help push this guy over the edge? if he sits there -- you and i can sit there and we watch msnbc all the time, but we can sit there and we can channel surf, we can go from one network to the other -- >> not that we would. >> not that we would. we're loyalists. but you can get 180 degrees opposite and whoever you want to be angry about, you can find a tv station, you can find an internet site, you can find a newspaper that will make me mad as hell. >> from a law enforcement standpoint at a time when people believe whatever news they want to hear, caouldn't you point to any person in some random town or in our family, people can no longer talk politics at their thanksgiving dinner because you can say you're so crazy, you're my family terrorist. >> and stephanie, we talk about soft targets and congressmen playing baseball or anyone playing baseball anywhere, that's the epitome of a soft
target. we can't defend the entire nation against these attacks. it takes leadership on both sides to lower that level of rhetoric. think about the ways we can identify people before they act when they have especially risky profiles or especially outrageous views and weapons and the like and how they might combine in deadly ways, but we can't harden the world. congressmen can't harden themselves in this building and when they go home they can harden themselves even less. we can't think that pure defense on the physical front is going to keep these people safe. there has to be some deeper addressing of this real vitriol that bubbles up into violence. >> our hope has to be that from this heinous attack, we can beg our leaders and our country to open their hearts and minds. gentlemen, thank you both so much. we have to take a break. up next president trump we're talking about opening your heart and mind, he's lashing out after reports he's being investigated for obstructing justice. how could his latest comments impact the investigation? there's members of his own team
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nation at a time when we need to come together. scores of lawmakers are going to be turning out tonight, snug clug my next guest, who played in the game in the past, illinois republican congressman adam king. i cannot believe you're not playing. >> you know, they get up really early to practice, for literally two or three months. i don't mind getting up early sometimes, but every morning, being out in virginia at 6:30 for practice, i eventually had to hang up the cleats. >> he speaks to someone in the news business who has to wake up at 4:00. >> i did that all in the military. i got it out of my system. >> let's talk about this call for unity. >> yeah. >> the game is so important. could this be a time, you and i have talked in the past about the need for bipartisanship. this call for unity, do you actually believe it can take place? we know we need it. but even since the attack yesterday, i mean from both sides, the rhetoric continues, even from the white house. >> i think you're going to have fashions of each side that will
blame the other side. that's going to happen. the thing we have to look at is the broad center or even folks in the republican party, the majority of them, folks in the democratic party, is just a general change in tone. you will have these folks that make profit going out and saying crazy things and trying to stir people up. it's the bulk in the middle. i'm not naive enough to sit here and think everything we do on the floor of the house is going to be cumbayah. we can't do that. our job is to fight for what we believe. the personal tone has to change. if you're at thanksgiving dinner and somebody mentions they voted for trump or didn't vote for president trump and now thanksgiving dinner blows up and your family can't even talk, that's become a problem. >> can you as a congressman do this around the president? i mean -- >> yeah. >> other members of congress, you all have known one another for years, longer than you've known president trump, and it doesn't sound like he's going to lessen his rhetoric. could you do this and work together in a bipartisan way? even if the president continues to call his opponents sick, bad,
witch hunters. >> i think so. i hope so. you know, we've, despite all of that, i've tried to maintain a positive tone and many members of congress do too. the thing we have to remember going out and getting re-elected is not the most important thing and some people have -- they forgethat. we don't get elected to be congressmen and women to get re-elected again. we do this to make a difference. making a difference means trying to bring folks together and trying to accomplish some big things. i think on areas on infrastructure, maybe tax reform we can do some bipartisan things but there's no doubt whether from the potus or whether it's from congress the tone has to change. >> you have to get to that agenda. a bit of sound from congressman mark sanford who pointed possibly to the president as a cause for some of this heat. take a look. >> i would argue that president has, is partially, not totally, pargs throw blame for demons that have been unleashed.
the top guy saying i wish i could hit you in the face why don't you and i'll pay your legal fees, that's bizarre. we ought to call it as such. >> the president has said some aggressive things in the pasts. >> yeah. >> and while ivanka trump earlier this week said she didn't realize the viciousness she would experience in washington, one could say that the president himself has been a source of a lot of it? >> sure. i think to take -- i don't want to connect that to what happened yesterday because i think, you know, yes, we have a terrible environment, but, obviously, somebody has to be mentally ill to make the decision to go do that. when you look at the overall negative tone of politics in this country, everybody shares a blame including the president of the united states and his campaign tone and some of the things. now i thought he gave a very unifying message when he came out yesterday and hope it's an opportunity for all of us to re-set, regardless of what he does, we have -- >> hold on a second. hold on a second. mono a mono here. a great speech yesterday. it was presidential.
are you really going to hang your hat on a scripted speech when as soon as he gets a smartphone in his hand the trump comes out i'm an optimistic person and can hold on to optimism. >> another story reported in the news that robert mueller is now investigating the president for obstruction of justice charges. he called the people behind the investigation bad today, the president did, he said there is no collusion, show me the proof. and it's fair, he says, i want to see the proof but show me the proof of the tapes you have of james comey, show me the proof you have of wiretapping. so what position is the president in right now? robert mueller is there in the job less than four weeks. >> yeah. >> he has a job to do. >> he's going to stay there and get his job done and the support of republicans and democrats to get to the bottom of this. couple points out of this. number one, it's showing that they're not necessarily going down the track of collusion right now which is important because it's the president has said he hasn't. but on the area of obstruction
of justice we need answers to this. all i've said is to save our democracy, it was a little with what happened yesterday, an attack on the institution, and this, to save our democracy, not about 2018, not about 2020, americans need answers to all these questions and i think robert mueller is going to get to the bottom of them. >> you want him to stay in that job? >> oh, absolutely. i think -- to get rid of him now, i think would just destroy anybody's faith in the institution. >> we've got to go, but to be clear, you do want republicans to cream the democrats tonight in the game? >> absolutely. >> just -- >> and i think we will. >> all right then. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> for joining me. i appreciate it. quick break, next much more on the reports that president trump is being investigated for obstruction of justice. will the president's tweets make his case worse? i have a feeling some republicans want to knock that smartphone right out of the park tonight. their leadership is instinctive. they're experts in things you haven't heard of. researchers of technologies that one day you will.
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wide to be here, jason jason and former bush cheney senior adviser robert trainham. jason i'm not letting you go first. robert, the president already tweeting this morning saying there are people involved in the investigation who are bad. help me understand, what could the president's motive be here? does he think he's going to spook them, scare them? >> i hate to say this but that's predictable of the president, part of his nomenclature. he overexaggerates and says those things. i would have hoped this would have been a presidential moment where he would have restrained himself and said don't say anything at all. not say anything at all. to your earlier point he was presidential yesterday, that was a scripted moment, one would think in this moment he would have been even more restrained but we know that's not the president. let's not try to pretend this here. >> what is your reaction to all of this? the president seeming to double down on this, and there's so much reporting, i've spoken to people in the white house who
are saying i'm not sure if he did anything with russia, but he's his own worst enemy right now. >> there needs to be someone in the white house like the bbc mom who leaps at him whenever he's going to if ffor his phone. he makes it worse every time he speaks. you look at the criminal code for obstruction of justice t says endeavor. it's broad. if you tweet this investigation is garbage the people are bad you are endeavoring to sometimy or freeze people about the investigation. he's doing the thing he's being investigated for and that will come up as a problem later on when we get to the end of investigation. >> here we are armchair quarterbacking. i've worked in the white house. it's hard to tell the president what to do. i've seen members of congress walk into the oval office that get weak kneed. it's the nature of the office. maybe with the exception of his kids that i could say, dad, stop it. >> why do you continue to think like his kids are going to say this to him? >> because family and history
has proven -- >> his kids, jared kushner thought that meeting he had with his cabinet members, the hello my president, who i worship who is the most wonderful, handsome human on the planet earth, jared thought that was a good idea. ivanka thought it was good messaging to tell fox news that d.c. is far more vicious than she thought when her dad can widely be considered the bully in chief. why is it you think his children are going to be the voice of reason here? >> because history has proven family members are the only people that can tell the president what's actually wrong. nancy reagan did it with her husband, hillary clinton did it, george w. bush with his father. my point is that family members they have no drama, they have no baggage. they can tell their parent or the president, stop it. you're doing irreputable harm. >> you're saying the trump family has no drama, are you saying that to me right now? >> i'll take it back. >> you've got his son, donald trump jr. basically reinforcing those same bad attitudes. everybody out here they're not
real problem, they're problems. i think his family is complicit in some of his core behavior and everyone in the white house who is not a family member thinks i don't want to get caught up in the investigation. he's not listening to anyone closest to him. >> it was don jr. over the weekend made it clear "when my first says hope he's not asking you. he's telling you" and to who tweeted the mainstream media, i.e., msnbc doesn't talk about the friends, my friend, we do. i welcome you to come on any day of the week and talk to me about the global markets. i'd love to have you. gentlemen thank you for joining me. coming up, much more on yesterday, not just this investigation, but we've got to talk more about the tragic shooting. vice president mike pence tweeting out this picture just moments ago, as he met with doctors who are treating the victims.
that wraps us up this hour. i'm stephanie ruehl and i'm disappointed i didn't get to use this amazing microphone, it's like this "star search" microphone but i'm here with hallie jackson, i hope you get to use it. >> you're already a star, thank you so much. we have a lot to follow, coming up right now, here from washington, a lot to look at including the new look at that terrifying shooting at a baseball field across the river from us. congressman steve scalise still in critical condition as his colleagues huddle, in the last few minutes just to talk. we'll have a live report on that.
looking ahead to that annual congressional baseball game going on tonight as planned. breaking overnight the major headline in the russia investigation, president trump now pushing back this morning on new reports he himself could be being investigated for potential obstruction of justice. and any moment now we're monitoring this live, hearing from the parents of that american student recently freed from north korea. we've got an update on otto wa m warmbier's help. >> i made a decision to wear the coat that otto wore when he was, i don't know, a prisoner in north korea. this is the coat he wore when he did his confession, and i thought it was an amazing performance. i'm proud of him and i'll start with an opening statement. i want to thank everyone who has shared their thoughts, prayers and best wishes with the