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"is 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. tonight, president trump expanding his personal legal team after acknowledging for the first time he is under investigation. also tonight, growing concern for the only person at the justice department who can fire robert mueller. and who takes his place if rod rosenstein is out of the picture? what a long, strange trip it's been, two years from that escalator ride from trump tower, to the white house, to being under federal investigation. "the 11th hour" gets under way right now. and on a friday night, good evening once again from our headquarters in new york, day 148 of the trump administration, and this may sum up where we are
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right now. today the president's personal lawyer hired a personal lawyer to represent him in the russia investigation. the president himself added another attorney to his legal team today. a high-profile lawyer name john dowd, more on him later. where the news on this administration is concerned, this was another eventful day. the news this morning that the trump administraon would not deport the so-called dreamers, the estimated 800,000 children of undocumented immigrants who were born in this country. if that decision holds, it would reverse a campaign promise. at the same time, the president acted on another campaign promise and rolled back some of those new obama policies on establishing ties with cuba. more on both topics later. but they were all overshadowed per usual by the president's cell phone. >> quote, i am being investigated for firing the fbi director by the man who told me
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to fire the fbi director. witch-hunt. because we have no other choice and are now forced to regard what the president says on twitter as official statements by the president, that was the president confirming he is under investigation by special counsel robert mueller. and while the white house tried to argue that's not what he meant necessarily, we are left to judge the president's own words. and yet another report out tonight paints the picture of a the -- of a president who feels under siege. it's a double by line piece from julie pace, the newly minted washington bureau chief. and our friend jonathan la mere, both of the a.p. quote, trump advisors and confidants describe the president as increasingly angry over the investigation, yelling at television sets in the white house, carrying coverage, and insisting he's the target of a conspiracy to discredit and potentially end his presidency. some of his ire is aimed at rosenstein and special
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counsel robert mueller, both of whom the president believes are biased against him. aides have counseled him to stay off twitter and focus on other parts of his job, yet trump's angry tweets on friday underscored the near impossible challenge his aides have to get him to avoid weighing in on an active probe. with that, let's bring oin our starting panel. nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dlaney, charles savage, white house correspondent here in new york. and paul butler, welcome back to the broadcast all of you. and ken, you get the first whack at this, this new lawyer that the president has brought in for his new legal team, what do we know about him and why is he being called a high-powered addition to the team? >> because he has experience on
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-- in criminal matters and in political investigations that the trump team here to for has lacked. he represented pete rose that led to pete rose's lifetime ban in baseball. he represented john mccain in the keating five scandal. he's just a well regarded tough criminal lawyer in washington, d.c., who it's believed will be able to handle this matter. the question is whether donald trump's going to heed his advice, brian. >> paul, you have been in and around the law all your life. talk about the legal jeopardy that the president's cell phone puts the president in right now. >> i'm surprised he got such a good lawyer, because he's a lousy client. the president does not listen to counsel, so he's in a very difficult position, where his tweets are providing evidence of an obstruction of justice case against him. he has a thing about being investigated. every time someone is
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supervising an investigation or conducting one, whether it's director comey, whether it's robert mueller, or whether it's rod rosenstein, trump's got a beef against them. it makes you wonder why he's so afraid of an investigation. >> charlie, i'd like to show you a headline from a competitor, about what may happen, and i'm going to bill this as a viewer's guide. we could get news over the weekend. the obscure lawyer who might become the most powerful woman in washington. charlie, who are we talking about here, what's the relationship to rosenstein, and could you argue a case that rod rosenstein has to come out of this and recuse himself just like the attorney general had to? >> so the woman you had on your screen is rachel brand, that's a the associate attorney general recently confirmed to that position, that's the number three spot in the justice
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department. so if rod rosenstein has to recuse himself or is fired or something happens to him, she would take over the oversight of the special counsel investigation. she, politico, where my wife works, i'm happy that they get a plug here, there's a great piece about her. i wouldn't call her obscure, at least in my world. she was part of the bush administration justice department, where she was the head of the office of legal policy, and her job there was vetting and promoting and getting confirmed conservative judges and supreme court justices. she later worked for the chamber of commerce. she came back into government as a republican board member on the independent privacy and civil liberties oversight board as it was conducting a series of investigations into surveillance and civil liberties issues following the edward snowden leaks, so she is a conservative legal philosophy type. she is sort of a federal society all-star. the interesting thing about her in this context, is that she has
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never been a prosecutor, she has no law enforcement or criminal law experience. and so if the deputy attorney general does step aside or is fired or something, and she takes over, it would be an extremely inexperienced person overseeing this extremely high stakes criminal investigation. >> and charlie, if memory serves, our control room can fact check all of this, i think she's a product of pella, iowa, i think she went to the university of minnesota undergrad, harvard law school for law school. and i think regarded, as you mentioned and inferred, as a dependable republican. i also think it was a party-line vote in the senate when she was confirmed. >> i think that's right. in stark contrast to the deputy attorney general who was almost unanimously confirmed and sort of had broad bipartisan support. so rachel brand is clearly extremely smart.
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i've had some dealings with her in those various roles she had in covering issues over the years. and she always seemed to me to be a straightforward person, but also a very conservative republican. she's not, i would say, the sort of trump supporter model. she's a traditional republican, conservative person. and so she is -- she's not a jeff sessions type for example. so it will be interesting to see what she does. >> i thought she would get on the record because this story has been moving so quickly, we just never know. shannon, here in new york. so this west wing you cover, let's just call it highs and lows this week. this week saw the shooting of congressman scalise, who remains in critical condition. we learned today, arrived at the hospital close to death, much worse than anyone thought after the baseball field shooting. so we saw the president in that mode, but then tonight, these
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competing reports and i know you're hearing the same thing about a president yelling at television sets throughout the west wing. >> right. and again that moment where we could have had real unity, something the president hasn't called on unity in this presidency. he had an opportunity to call on democrats to come forward on infrastructure that could have united republicans and democrats. from the inauguration, did not take that path. trying to make a shift going down that road, but this cloud, this russia investigation as he described it, hanging over him. and really, it's clear to anybody who watches his twitter feed, nothing gets at him more than this russia investigation. and all these conversations with comey, that now have put him in jeopardy of being accused of obstruction of justice were all in order to clear this russia cloud.
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it's really something that has become an asterisk on this presidency. >> do you think because it speaks to kind of an original sin, a legitimacy question surrounding his election? >> there are some people in the administration, i don't know about the president himself, but certainly some people in the administration who feel like this presidency will always be marked by an asterisk of russia. that that will always hang over this presidency and its legitimacy, and yes, that is a concern, they feel. >> ken, i know you're not our legal correspondent, but let's talk about another lawyer, that's mr. cohen of new york. he's been with donald trump for a long time, he's been around the campaign, well known to journalists. he, a lawyer, has hired a lawyer. tell us what you know about that case. >> he has. well, you know, he appears to be under scrutiny in both the
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congressional and fbi investigations and in my last correspondence with him, he said, you'll have to address future questions to my counsel. so when the president's lawyer has a lawyer, that tells you things are pretty serious. he's a colorful character, has his own ties to russia, and will certainly figure in this going forward, brian. a >> and, paul, when mr. kasowitz was rumored this past week to have free roam of the west wing, to approach white house aides, remember, he's the president's personal lawyer, not white house counsel. what's the problem in your eyes with the president's personal lawyer walking around the west wing and talking to staff? >> he has not been appointed to the president in an official capacity, he's been hired, retained, paid, the senate hasn't given him any kind of approval. he's a criminal lawyer, a
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litigator, he's not supposed to be involved in the nation's business. but, brian, whenever there's a political figure thatwho is the subject of a criminal investigation, there's always the tension between what he needs to do for political reasons and what a lawyer would advise him to do. the president, for example, has said he's perfectly willing to testify under oath about the circumstances of mother's firing. there's no way a criminal lawyer will let him do that. but he almost has to talk. so, again, he's in a difficult position. >> charlie, as you read the mueller tea leaves, has anything surprised you? are they further down the road? have they tipped their hand on any moves that are accelerated to you? >> they haven't tipped their hand directly, because they have been extremely locked down about who they're hiring, beyond the
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names that have trickled out. but the reports we have had about moving quickly to speak with the head of national intelligence, the director of the national security agency, and former deputies, admiral rogers and rick ledget who may be witnesses in a potential obstruction of justice side of this investigation, is moving very fast. mueller is still staffing up his office. we think he only has about 12 attorneys. he still has more who are filling out the paperwork and interviewing. he's aggressively moving to lock down witness interviews and to -- and move forward on the other prong that has spun off this russia investigation, so he's not messing around. >> diane feinstein doesn't get angry or speak out often, she tends to hold her fire, but she talked about the president on twitter. quote, the message the president
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is sending through his tweets is that he believes the rule of law doesn't apply to him and that anyone who thinks otherwise will be fired. that's undemocratic on its face and a blatant violation of the president's oath of office. she's a leading democrat, we would kind of expect her to hold this view. i guess the question is, when do members of the other party start moving at all toward that position? >> well, i know some people close to the president in his inner circle, especially on this point of twitter, have been privately and publicly trying to urge him to pull back on twitter, either for legal reasons or just to the point that it interferes with his knonch -- governing. and it's becoming a distraction. so some of his closest allies, his friends, his friends in congress are telling him to lay off the rhetoric, take the tone down. i think it's already starting to happen. as we approach 2018, and a lot of members of congress are up for re-election, they're going to have to make a decision
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whether or not president trump is the most toxic person in the republican party or the most popular person, an increasingly it's moving in that more toxic direction. >> we should add, the president and his family are going to enjoy their first ever weekend at camp david. so let's see how that, the confines, the friendly confines of camp david, if it has any effect on his social media and cell phone use. maybe they don't have service up there. our thanks to our friday night leadoff panel. thank you all. when we come back, our discussion continues about this president, this presidency, and the lawyering up that we have seen this week. will you be ready when the moment turns romantic? cialis for daily use treats ed and the urinary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess.
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>> that was the day i came down with melania on the escalator at trump tower. that's tomorrow. so it's exactly tomorrow, two years since we announced. and it worked out okay. it worked out okay. >> that was president trump in miami today, the only problem with what you just heard, the anniversary of his campaign announcement, this scene on the escalator was today, it was two years ago today, not tomorrow. it means that in exactly two years time, trump has gone from a candidate on an escalator to president of the united states, in the white house, more appropriately camp david this weekend, and we should add,
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under investigation. since we have already blown up their friday night, our panel is back. eli stokols, reporter for "the wall street journal" and darren samuelson, senior white house reporter for politico. he filed a new report, headlined "escalating investigation puts trump and his staff at legal odds." and what a great place to start the conversation. explain the headline and explain how they may be at cross purposes or not, at least on the same page. >> sure. well, donald trump's personal lawyer, marc kasowitz, who you talked before about in the last segment, represents donald trump the man, not the president of the united states, not the white house. so as he's gone around and talked to white house staff and told them, maybe you don't need to lawyer up at this point in time, that runs contrary to anything that any defense lawyer, or any white collar prosecutor might tell you, you want to do at this point in
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time. and this investigation, as sprawling as it is, as it reaches from the obstruction of justice case, to looking back at the campaign and everything having to do with the russia probe, these staffers are going to need lawyers. so if they're being told by president trump's personal lawyer at this moment, don't lawyer up, it runs quite contrary to what they need at this moment in time. >> there was donald trump looking at that escalator scene there, donald trump the campaign guy, starting with that speech that day, and then donald trump the president. and it's kind of what got you to the dance. he has fallen back on and relied upon the campaign guy while in the white house. where's the disconnect to you? >> there is no disconnect. he's the same guy today at 71 years old, as president, that he has always been. for years he made a lot of money and a big name for himself, by
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sort of being able to create his own version of reality. and i think what we've seen through the first 150 days of this administration, is a guy trying to do the same thing, and increasingly frustrated at his inability to get everyone to sort of see things the way he did. we saw it on the very first day or second day of his tenure in the white house, when he sent sean spicer to the briefing room to get mad at the press for saying that his crowd wasn't as big as barack obama's, even though his crowd wasn't as big as barack obama's, and it eroded his credibility from the get-go. there's always been this thing hanging of hanging over him, the question or the fear that people don't take him seriously, that people question his win. and every time something comes up about that, even if there's no collusion, if there's any question or insinuation that something might be amiss, rather than letting it go, rather than letting investigations proceed, he has to scratch the itch, he can't let it go, he has to tweet. and that's why he's in this
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mess. >> i don't know, eli. i heard sean spicer sound like it was the largest crowd ever assembled. we'll check on that. shannon, we put together a graphic of the people in plain english donald trump plowed through to get here. and it's a formidable selection of all names, great and small, in american politics, i must add, looking at that last one, in both parties. so you're tempted to ask, what's a rod rosenstein, when you've got that group? what's a robert mueller? what he's not used to having is any disciplined enforced upon him or anyone really with controlling authority over him. that's a big deal. >> right. yet, to your point of everything he has been through to get here, those close to the president, those who have done donald trump the businessman his entire career will say, if you underestimate him, if you count
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him out, you'll be sorely mistaken. you can look at the line of people on the screen politically, and a line of people in business who underestimated him and counted him out and they were mistaken. so as gray and dim as things seem now, those who know this man well say, don't count him out. but he's certainly in unchartered territories and he's used to dealing in a world where you can fire people you don't get along with. but you can't fire congress. you can do your best not to get them elected, but you can't fire congress and you're going to find it increasingly difficult to find somebody like robert mueller, even if you want to try. >> darrin, you've been around washington summers, and we have that summer recess looming, and they're all going to have to go home because the entire congress is up for re-election in 2018. what can this administration say they have accomplished to date, either executive orders or gorsuch? >> those are the two things at
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this point that they're relying on, it's very similar to the final years of the obama years, a very unproductive congress, congress has been dysfunctional really since 2010, so i wasn't expecting much to come out of this congress. we haven't obviously seen a health care bill make its way across the senate finish line. big question of whether we'll ever see a bill. tax reform has really been pushed back. the entire investigation and the fact that the president is now under this cloud is going to be hanging over this administration for sometime to come, for perhaps the rest of this first term. so with that in mind, they have to think small ball, not necessarily school uniforms and the kinds of things the clinton administration had to deal with and pursue in the final years, but it's certainly not the grand agenda they were looking for. obviously they're pulling back things from the obama years as well. whether it be on dodd/frank or climate change and epa. that's what the celebration is going to be for the trump years. >> when you were on the air this afternoon, eli, nicole wallace
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asked you a very interesting question about the value of this president's utterances. i mentioned at the top of the broadcast, we have no choice but to treat what we says on twitter as an official statement of the president. she asked you, i think, if his words matter less now as a consequence. what was your answer? >> in the traditional sense, the words do matter less, because he does not really spend a lot of time thinking about what he says, like all past presidents did. he just sort of tweets and speaks off the cuff. and i think you have to take some of this stuff with a little bit of a grain of salt, but i think if you step back from that, one of the things that that does, when a president speaks so cavalierly, when a president contradicts himself so quickly, it sort of just makes a muddle of everything. and even though it's confusing and even though the media will sit here and have as many examples as you want to sort of say, well, this was a
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contradiction and this was hypocrite cal, et cetera, et cetera, what it allows him to do is sort of make a muddle of everything and confuse people and then at the end of the day his supporters can take away what they want to take away, the media can do what they want to do, he can stand out there and say, the media is so biased, they know i didn't mean that, they're taking me literally, whatever it is. and it's all very confused. in a way, that helps inoculate him. when nothing makes sense, it's hard to create an over-arching narrative that the public uniformly believes. >> terrific conversation on a friday night or any night, especially after another week that was. our thanks all around to shannon, eli, darren. thank you and welcome. when we come back, we'll go live 90 miles south from key west, florida, havana, cuba. they were in the news today, the
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subject of a presidential act and event today. our reporting from there right after this.
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administration's completely one-sided deal with cuba. >> president trump today pouring on the spanish there, undoing another obama-era policy of the -- the president writing on twitter tonight, quote, back from miami, where my cuban american friends are very happy with what i signed today. another campaign promise that i did not forget. the administration wants to make it harder to do business with cuba's government and limit american tourism there. "usa today" reports nearly 300,000 americans flocked to cuba in the first five months of 2017, almost the same number as for all of last year. the author of that piece, allen gomez is with us tonight from havana. he's an immigration reporter with "usa today." he's joined us on the past in the broadcast. we're joined by franco ordonez,
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and ann guerin, national political correspondent for "the washington post". franco, what happened today, what in your mind was the lead story and what are the ramifications. >> it's pretty interesting, i will say that one thing as you pointed out, this is something that has been of interest to a lot of people, but he really didn't cancel the deal, what he did today was fulfill a campaign promise. he mentioned that, he said that repeatedly, during the speech today. let's not forget that during the primaries, candidate trump during that time repeatedly said that he was for engagement with cuba. he just talked about maybe striking a better deal. it wasn't until the general election, that he started taking this kind of hard line approach, and it was then that he talked about reversing the deal, and now he's somewhat fulfilling that obligation that he pointed
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out he was going to do. you still have a lot of the measures that obama had put in place, even critics like ben rhodes, the architect of this are saying, kind of breathing a little bit of a sigh of relief, saying, hey, this wasn't as bad as we thought it would be. >> i can hear those jerry rigged internal combustion engines behind you. it all sounds very familiar. we should apologize, we have a little bit of a satellite delay. how does this affect cubans, and more specifically the cubans who have been drawn to the burgeoning hospitality industry there? and how will it affect the american tourists who are well off enough to be able to plan and pay for and go on a trip to cuba? >> reporter: we saw trump promise a lot today. but the practical effect for cubans living down here is that far few americans will be coming
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down. fewer people are going to be eating in their private restaurants, fewer people staying in their private homes. airbnb estimates they've sent $40 million down to cubans for people staying in their homes. so that's a lot of money in the bank for them, a lot of ability for them to separate themselves from the state-run government and create their own economy and create their own independence. that's why i heard from so many cubans over the last couple days that they were shocked, confused about why he would be doing this. it's a little hard to explain to cubans over here, the politics of why something like this is happening. but think about it, it was 15 months ago they sat here and heard obama talking to them, opening things up here and now they're back almost -- not at square quuone, but definitely w this thing being pulled back dramatically. >> and who is the constituency for this, and how big is the base that will be pleased by this, in terms of all the
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deliverables team trump could hand over? >> that's a great question, brian. i think this sounded to me, like a conversation -- a political conversation from a decade or more ago, maybe two decades ago. in terms of where the republican party is on it and certainly where the business community is, main stream republicans have largely moved on from a hyper focus on a kind of walling off the communist regime in cuba, as horrendous as some of its abuses are. and certainly the business community has done so, i mean right after trump spoke, the chamber of commerce, no less a republican leaning institution than that, came out with a message of opposition. i think the constituency is still potent. certainly the miami, cuban republican nexus is very strong. and went for trump
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overwhelmingly. and certainly you heard him mention today that he did well in miami, he did well with miami cubans and that he won florida. i think that is a big part of what was on his mind today. >> quick question for franco and then allen. franco, this overshadowed a lot of things today. all of it overshadowed by the president's tweets, we should make that clear. but what about this pending daca decision about the dreamers? talk about the other end of the political scale. >> it's really fascinating. the daca thing is creating some divisiveness between the immigration community and trump. not that that wasn't already there, but they're seeing it as a throwing down of the gauntlet. now they're worried he's going to take the next step and target the children of parents. and if that happens, that would be a big challenge for president trump. >> allen, if you grabbed a
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hundred people in havana, maybe a thousand, and took an opinion poll on the name barack obama, how do you think he would poll in havana tonight? >> well, i can tell you i conducted a small version of that poll over the last couple days, talking to as many cubans as i could to see what they thought about this trump reversal. all of them would talk about how much they appreciate what president obama did, opening up to the united states for the first time in their lifetimes for many of them. they had some other words for president trump and what he was planning to do. so it was unanimous. i could not find a person down here who supported what president trump is doing, and was opposed to what president obama did. >> allen, at least enjoy the beautiful night in a fascinating place, in havana, cuba. we so appreciate being able to talk to you there, as we appreciate having franco with us from capitol hill.
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we'll take a break. ann is remaining with us, because she's the co-author of the next piece we're going to talk about in t"the washington post" about how world leaders view our current president these days.
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all these countries are laughing at the stupidity of the united states. we're laughed at all over the world. >> our people are babies. >> like a bunch of dumb babies. >> people are laughing at us. >> the world is laughing at us. >> it's all over the world, they're laughing at us. >> everybody's laughing at us. >> everyone's laughing at us. >> how stupid are we. >> the world is laughing at us, folks. >> the whole world is laughing at us. >> the world is laughing. >> our country is the laughing stock all over the world. >> they're laughing at this, at what's going on in our country. welcome back to the 11th hour. the idea that the world was laughing at the united states
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came up a time or two during the trump campaign stump speeches, and as president, trump seems to believe that's a problem that's now fixed. here he is announcing the u.s. would be leaving the paris climate accord. >> we don't want other leaders of other countries laughing at us anymore. and they won't be. they won't be. i was elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh, not paris. >> as a "washington post" column puts it, trump says foreign leaders wouldn't laugh at the u.s., now they're laughing at him. among the evidence they cite. this recording of the australian prime minister which just recently became public. >> the donald and i, we are winning and winning in the polls. [ laughter ] we are winning so much. we are winning like we have never won before.
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we are winning in the polls. not the fake polls. not the fake polls. you know, the online polls. they are so easy to win. did you know that? i know that, did you know that? i kind of know that. i know that. they are so easy to win. i love this russian guy. believe me, it is true, it is true. >> here again, national columnist at "the washington post." ann, i was reminded it got physical at montenegro, as the president was trying to get out front near the cameras. how bad is this? and speaking of the base, i'm guessing if we call the base 36, 38% there, not losing a heck of a lot of sleep over this.
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>> certainly not the base i heard from today. they -- lots of people are trump supporters were upset by this article. but my colleague and i were having a little bit of fun, kind of going through some of the recent examples of world leaders who either feel free to mock trump in public or behind, as the australian prime minister, behind what he thought were closed doors. it's a rather remarkable spectacle. certainly every world leader, former president obama, and other world leaders included come in for their share of mocking at home and sometimes abroad. but the level of it and the personal aspect of it with trump is something a bit new and it's definitely something we see picking up, certainly around the
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nato meeting, there was a good bit of it and since around the climate, the paris climate agreement. >> because it's friday night, i got to show vicente fox. trolling trump on the subject of the wall. here's that. >> look at this, this schematic i downloaded from the dark web. it is a ladder, einstein. you're going to build a $25 billion wall that can be defeated by a $25 ladder. >> so, ann, this has turned, these foreign leaders, current and former, into pretty good first-rate comedians. in our closing 30 seconds, what's the problem with any of it? >> well, the problem really, i mean there's no problem with vicente fox having fun on a twitter video, even if half a million people look at it.
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the problem long-term is if trump is seen internationally as someone that other countries don't take seriously. or if his reaction is so thin-skinned that he causes himself greater problems down the road. i mean, everybody really needs to be able to take a joke. >> ann guerin, a pleasure. after this break, a friend and co-worker of yours, one david marines is in the studio tonight. his view of what we're all watching transpire. if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you a chance at completely clear skin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques. in fact, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin.
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welcome back. i want to welcome into our conversation tonight a presidential biographer. a pulitzer prize-winning journalist. among his works, barack obama
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and "first in his class," and "once in a great city." david, i'm going to quote you back to you. this is from 1998. you were writing about the ken starr report, headline, clinton's behavior patterns become issue. quote, clinton evoked many of the characteristics that are a familiar part of his history. his sense of victimhood, his desire to please, his tendency toward self-delusion. his legitimate concerns about the invasive powers of his adversaries and his peculiar manipulation of semantics, to construct a story line at once compelling and illusory. these are not similar characters, but what must your thoughts be about an arkansas land deal that ended up with an intern scandal in the white house and where investigations can take the investigators? >> well, that took six years. it took special prosecutors, independent counsels,
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impeachment. and a trial in the senate. and you're right, it started with a -- you say follow the money. the money went nowhere in that. the clintons lost money, and yet he ended up facing a trial. but there is one essential characteristic, or tre are many characteristics that differentiate bill clinton from donald trump. and the key one is a word that turned into a cliche, which is compartmentalization. bill clinton was a master at getting up every morning, even during all those troubles, and still carry out the work of the presidency, aside from the troubles he was dealing with. he would complain about them at night alone. he didn't tweet or go on e-mail. he knew how to keep going. that helped his popularity rise as all of these troubles were being pursued. >> we see the opposite to your point, a man obsessed to distraction and unable to compartmentalize. >> completely. with the president today, it's
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all about him all the time. every politician has a big ego and every politician president has troubles with the press. but it's never been like this. i consider it, in many ways, a straight line from the clinton impeachment to this. in terms of the bombastic rhetoric that republican opponents of clinton used then, especially newt gingrich, who now is defending sort of the key spear, to use one of his terms, for donald trump, sort of saying the outrageous. but it seemed, compared to what trump is doing, it was mild then, but it's all in that same path. >> having said all of that, are you stunned at the speed of what this story is moving fast? >> i guess all of our lives move so fast today. with all of the social media and the short attention spans. >> we have a special counsel.
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>> we do. that study. did -- you know, the clinton first story appeared in '93. special counsel a couple years later. and it went on for a long time but never like this. bill clinton in that first year, was able to pass a very important, new, invigorating the economy package. >> it's awfully great to have you. point of personal privilege. anyone watching from detroit or anyone who knows anyone in detroit or loves detroit, buy david's book on detroit. it's just a great piece of writing. terrific to see you. >> thank you, brian. >> thank you very much for coming in. another break for us, our last one, and then some breaking news, a troubling story from the deep seas overseas.
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last thing before we go here tonight, a tough day for the u.s. navy after a disaster at sea. this is the u.s. navy destroyer fitzgerald. part of the seventh fleet. and the floating home to close to 300 people. at 2:30 a.m., about 60 miles off
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the coast of japan last night, local time, it suffered a collision at sea with a large container ship. the japanese coast guard is with the vessel, which is moving slowly under its own power, but it was hit above and below the water line, and it has taken on water. seven american sailors are missing. the initial number of injured is three. notably, the commander of the vessel was among the injured and was medevacked to the mainland in japan for treatment. an investigation will tell us how this happened. suffice to say, with all the defenses and countermeasures and electronics on board a navy destroyer, there should never be a collision while at seand under way, with any other vessel, large or small. bhi t by the way, the ship's motto of the destroyer fitzgerald -- protect your people.
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for now, and especially heading into this father's day weekend, our thoughts are with those on board and those serving the country in any capacity, wherever they are. that is our broadcast for this friday night, and for this week. thank you for being here with us. goodnight from new york. tonight on all in -- the president attacks his own justice department. >> i am being investigated for firing the fbi director by the man who told me to fire the fbi director. witch hunt. >> tonight top democrats amplify fears of another saturday night massacre. >> the the president would fire mueller or rosenstein that would be a d.c. >> first vice president mike pence and now the rest of trump world lawyers up. exclusive new reporting. >> then the latest attempt from democrats to stop the republican trumpcare bill and two years after the escalator. >> a lot of the bun dids on television donald will never run. this is going to be an election in many opinion that's based on


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