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why did he tweet that he is and why has he hired three different outside attorneys? jared kushner is looking to increase his legal team amid the russia probe. and london terror. a van plows into people near a mosque. and this begs the question, why so many and why now? but let's start with all that legal maneuvering surrounding the russia investigation. today, a member of trump's legal team is trying to stamp out the fires that trump himself created about whether there is indeed an investigation. listen to what jay said on sunday. >> they've reported that he's
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being investigated for taking the action that the attorney general and deputy attorney general recommended him to take by the agency who recommended the termination. >> you just said that he's being investigated. >> no, chris. i said that -- let me be crystal clear so you're completely understanding. we have not received nor are we aware of any investigation of the president of the united states. >> you've just said two times that he's being investigated. >> no. the context of the tweet -- i just gave you the legal theory, chris, of how the constitution works. >> there's been no notification to any of us that the president is under investigation and james koechl has said that the president was not under investigation. >> akristen welker is at the
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white house now. what can you tell us? >> reporter: let's just breakdown what happened, chris. first, the president tweeted on friday that he was under investigation. let me remind our viewers of that tweet. he tweeted out, "i am being investigated for firing the fbi director by the man who told me to fire the fbi director. which hunt. then you, of course, had his outside counsel, as you just played jay sekulow going on all of the sunday shows trying to say, look, the president wasn't confirming that he wasn't under investigation with that tweet. instead, he was referring to responding to a "washington post" report that said he was under investigation, effectively making the argument that the tweet is being taken out of context. you heard him also make the case that the president hasn't been alerted to the fact that he's under investigation.
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just to break that down a little bit, chris, the investigation is very much in the early stages so he wouldn't necessarily be alerted at this point in time. but the bottom line is, you have a lot of mixed messaging going on around what is actually happening. so what do we actually know? we know "the washington post" did break last week that the president is being investigated for possible obstruction of justice. it's a report that was confirmed by a number of news outlets, including by nbc news. in the wake of all of this mixed messaging around this critical issue, a number of president trump's surrogates, newt gingrich, were out on the sunday shows saying that the president is undermining himself, that he should back off of his tweets because he's making his problems even worse and, of course, it's giving democrats an opening to pounce on all of this. the broader strategy, though, coming from the white house is to effectively try to discredit the broader russia probe. we saw this on display over the weekend in tweets again. the president referring to it as a witch hunt.
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kellyanne conway sort of he can knowed that reaction today on some morning shows. we're going to get to ask sean spicer about all of this but the briefing is not going to be on camera and it's not going to be recorded. we haven't had a briefingn camera or recorded sce last monday. we'll be able to askough questions but we won't necessarily be able to show that to our viewers. chris? >> kristen welker at the white house. we'll wait for your report from there. let me bring in matt miller, now an msnbc justice and security analyst, david french, senior writer, also an attorney. nick ackerman is a former u.s. attorney and prosecutor during watergate. so much to get to. david, let me start with you. does it worry you that a member of the president's legal team had a tough time answering a pretty straightforward question and denied in a convoluted way
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saying clearly what he had said? >> what you have here again is a member of the president's defense team trying to clean up one of his tweet messes. so the president tweeted something out that was very declarative. his legal team is saying that it's not true. so we have confusion. we don't know where things are right now. and this is typical of this investigation so far. >> the mueller investigation and other things going on in congress but you've been pretty dismissive online. not just of jay sekulow but of what you call the entire dream team. why? >> well, usually if you're under criminal investigation, as the president is -- again, he may not have been notified of it, which is apparently what jay sekulow was saying. we can definitively say that he is under criminal investigation. if you're under that investigation, you want to hire
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a top criminal attorney and the president has hired marc kasowitz, an attorney with civil experience, suing people in new york. jay sekulow, an attorney who has never done criminal cases but has talked on conservative media over the years and he's hired another attorney that has never done criminal work in the past and is on his own now and doesn't bring the serious resources you need to this kind of case. it begs the question, we've heard he's having a hard time finding people that will work for him. but why hasn't he added a high-powered litigator to handle this case as jared kushner has done as you said in your intro? the president is treating it so unseriously. >> i want to go back to jared kushner but, nick, msnbc did rerun this weekend, "a special on watergate," so i was reminded
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of all of the players. the names of everybody involved, a lot of big players in the legal world. is matt right about that? are you surprised at the way that this has gone so far? >> yeah. i'm totally shocked. i would think he'd have a well-seasoned criminal defense attorney. there's nobody on his team that really works within the criminal system. whether trump is under investigation or doesn't say 's under investigation, the fact of the matteris, he's under investigation just by virtue of what he has admitted to with respect to his meetings and firing of former fbi director comey. he needs somebody out there coordinating the defense team. the problem with coordinating and donald trump don't actually go together. i don't think you can get donald trump to coordinate anything that would make any strategic sense here. >> this brings me to something
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that you wrote lately for "the national review." "president trump's fate happens based on things that happened before but also on his self-discipline going forward" and i assume you're referring to the tweets. i'll let you expand on that. but my other question is, when you hear what sekulow had to say and then kellyanne conway goes on and denies that there's an investigation which makes you wonder if there's a witch hunt, who is the witch? why is the president so upset if it's not him? how much of this is him and how much of it is his staff, even if he's made mistakes and i think everybody can agree to the fact that he should stay off the twitter, especially when it comes to an ongoing investigation. what about the way his team has handled this and can anybody give himself-discipline going forward? >> well, who knows. there's a couple of things. when i talk about his conduct
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going forward, whenever there's an active federal investigation, your conduct can put you in criminal jeopardy even if you're innocent of any of the underlying charges of being investigated. we've seen this happen again and again with martha stewart, for example, and for scooter libby. one thing i think you're seeing in the president's spokes people is their pr strategy is, in a lot of ways, also their legal strategy. because let's not forget, impeachment is a political process. this is something that the political branches of government do. so you can be guilty of underlying criminal statutes and still survive as a president. just ask bill clinton. >> is that what you see going on
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here? the other folks are going to handle the legal part of this? >> it's just not well-coordinated. the problem with the political strategy is that they have to take the position we did nothing wrong, that this is all a witch hunt. >> if it's a witch hunt, who are they targeting? that's what the president keeps calling it. he seems upset. he says it was targeted at him. now we're getting all of these arguments that it's not. >> politically, he's saying that it is targeted at him because that ramps up his base. he is under investigation and we know that dan coats and rogers has been called in to the special counsel's office. at least they should have been. so they know that the special counsel is talking to lots of people.
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>> and there are reports that jared kushner is going to add more trial lawyers. look, he can afford it, number one. number two, i think there were more people than you would have known in the obama administration who were never charged with anything who felt they needed to lawyer up. is this just a smart move on his part and people who may be very partisan may want to read something into it but it's too early to do that or do you read something into this? >> well, in jared kushner's case, that is smart. he's really trying to figure out what is in donald trump's state of mind when he asked comey to back off the flynn investigation when he fired comey and i suspect he'll put them in the grand jury and ask questions about that and everyone in that position should be getting their own attorney. jared kushner has his own legal exposure as well. it's been reported that he's under scrutiny for his own ties for the meeting he held with
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ambassador kislyak that he did not disclose on his security form. if you knowingly hide that kind of information, that is a federal crime. so i think he's making the wise choice. >> matt, david, nick, thank you to all of you. appreciate it. in the meantime, cities all around europe are on high alert because a man deliberately drove his vehicle into a police car in champs-elysees. they found weapons and explosives in his car and that happened just hours after a driver plowed his van into a crowd outside of a london mosque just after midnight. nbc's keir simmons is joining me
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and evan from flashpoint. let me start with you. we're seeing so many of these attacks and attacks with cars in europe. is this the new and, frankly, in inexpensive and easy tool of terror? >> yes. it requires no training. anyone can do it. renting a car is extremely easy as isis and others have pointed out in their propaganda. again, it's being pushed not just philosophically but directly being pushed by these terror groups. you don't need to know how to build a bomb to do it. what's disturbing in london, you see not just isis or jihadists doing this but those on the right side are trying to adopt this tactic as well.
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the idea that multiple extremist wings are going to be trying the same thing and, of course, it's very sad because this is just going to provoke more violence, more hatred and, yeah, it's terribly, terribly sad to see this. >> keir, bring us up to date on this london attack and the bystanders who held the attacker waiting for authorities to arrive. >> reporter: that's right. the man who was arrested in his 40s has now been arrested under a terrorism law here. it happened, chris, just behind me. a van mounted the sidewalk and plowed into those -- that crowd of worshippers who had just left the local mosque. you can see the flowers there and the signs poignantly saying, united against all terror. so the message from this community in north london, this mixed community is as you
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mentioned, one for example, that a man had collapsed, a group were around him helping prior to the attack and that they were some of the victims of this attack. the man himself collapsed prior to the attack and is the man who died. police are trying to establish whether his death can be clearly connected to the attack itself. another example, chris, that we've been talking about is the way that afterwards the man appeared, according to witnesses, to be happy and waving. a crowd gathered around him. some, it seems keen on sort of a street retribution, if you like. others in the book prevented him from being attack, waited for the police and handed him over to the police. chris? >> evan, give us a sense, first of all, of what we know about this alleged attacker but, in general, what's the picture that experience tells us we can paint of who they are? >> well, we don't know that much yet but it appears he was doing a public service by going after
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muslims. the greatest and saddest irony here is that the mosque that he attacked, it was once a radical mosque. it was once headed by a man who has been convicted here in new york of being an al qaeda recruiter. but that was many, many years ago and that mosque has long since kicked out all of the radicals. this is a moderate mosque. these are moderate people just trying to live peacefully. these are exactly the kind of people we want to be promoting and protecting. so the idea that someone, some very diluted and sad individual thought they were doing a public service, it's tragic. again, it's a reminder that not everyone who jumps behind the wheel of a truck and murders people is a jihadist and it's a reminder that, unfortunately, this tactic can be mimicked by all sorts of different people looking for attention. one would hope that this is an isolated instance because, again, it's terribly sad and all it does is harm to the idea of
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promoting good relations and peaceful understanding between different communities, not just in europe but in the world at large. >> we're out of time, keir, but a big part of what these attackers want to accomplish is to make people afraid to foment negativity on the street. obviously this is a terrible thing that happened. give us a sense of the mood there. we have seen time after time after time, whether it's in the united states, whether it's in brussels, whether it's just in london at the concert a month ago, a feeling of defiance, we're not going to let them defeat us. >> reporter: yeah. there's absolutely a sense of defiance and a sense of community that has always been mixed between races and religions coming together. in terms of what evan was saying, i really think i speak for everyone if i say i wouldn't mind if we never reported on another attack like this using a vehicle again. it's so shocking, so inhuman, so hard to comprehend and yet at
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the same time in a sense what we're seeing is copycat attacks. at one point the security services here in britain, they know about these fascist right-wing groups. we don't know if he was connected to that but we have groups who monitor them, follow them and there will be questions with this case as with previous cases as to whether they were able to track this guy. >> keir simmons who has been up overnight and into today, and evan coleman, thank you, gentlemen. appreciate it. president trump appears to be outsourcing military decisions in afghanistan. but should anyone other than the commander in chief be making those calls? and a u.s. navy ship collides with a container ship. seven sailors are dead now. how could this happen and who is to blame? -where? -san francisco. -when? -friday.
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president trump's concerns over russia don't just involve the special counsel investigation. today, russia vowed to track u.s. planes as potential targets in much of syria. russia says it's suspending the use of a hotline both militaries used to de-escalate tensions in the region one day after the u.s. downed a syrian fighter. this is the first time the u.s. has done that. for more and other policy threats, chris hill is a former u.s. ambassador to iraq. mark, a white house
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correspondent for "the new york times" and senior editor at business insider and an msnbc contributor. first, how seriously do you take these threats by russia? >> well, first of all, the threats by russia are not the first time they've echoed them. but i think what is important here is the u.s. appears to have decided to go completely along with the saudis and start, you know, going after government aircraft. in this case, they dropped an ordinance on forces applied with the syrian free army. it's an important step that they are doing and i think it's all part of the strategy to do everything that the saudis want us to do and hope that they will come through by jamming fatah in the west bank and trying to cut a deal with the israelis. so i think this is all, strangely enough, aimed at
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middle east peace and you start by showing the saudis will do anything they want. if they want us to denounce qatar, we're there. if they want us to shoot down syrian planes, we are there. i think everything is related. >> josh, a lot of people criticized this administration for not really having a foreign policy, a strategy. do you agree that that is what is going on here? you have kushner getting ready to go to the middle east and he'll be reaching with leaders on both sides of this issue wanting to jump-start the peace process. >> right. you have a multiwar inside the country. >> shot down a syrian fighter. >> and we're just there to fight isis and the dispute between the syrian government and the nonisis rebels that we're not going to engage in. but the problem is, we can't necessarily stay away from them if we were trying to. this administration has an unclear policy in syria but so
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did the last administration. >> so one of the things that we can say that we thought we knew clearly, mark, about this president, certainly as a private citizen and then as a candidate was that he didn't want to have anything to do with nation building or expand the u.s. role abroad and yet in your "times" article you write go afghanistan that when the president announced a pretty major policy shift, essentially seating authority over troop members to the defense department, not so much as a tweet or a big announcement. what's going on here? >> well, i think what's going on is you have a president who long ago decided that afghanistan was a losing issue. never really engaged much in it during the 2016 campaign and by all appearances doesn't want to have anything to do with it now. so he's, in effect, as you say, outsourced it so the pentagon,
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giving them a lot of authority to set troop levels and then promises later on to develop a sort of a fuller strategy for dealing with afghanistan. but by giving the troop authority to the defense secretary now, he's, in effect, putting the cart before the horse, sending troops before he decided what the longer term strategy is. more importantly, he sort of advocated the role of the commander in chief in announcing, explaining and defending to the american public his reasons for putting troops in harm's way. you know, the argument could be, well, it's only a couple thousand troops. you'll recall that during the obama and bush administration, these types of decisions are almost always announced in a fairly serious and also grave way by the commander in chief himself. it's a major shift. >> i was in the obama white house when that happened and
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there was this air of seriousness and understandably so when you're sending americans in harm's way. and then you have mr. mattis, a former general, also, who has experience in afghanistan. even he acknowledges that the kinds of numbers that we're talking about are not going to make a big shift there. it's not as though it's going to be sufficient unless there's a broader strategy. so what are they getting at here? >> it's very unclear. certainly the military has wanted to put more troops in. there's a perception that we're losing the war right now and we need to kind of push the taliban back and somehow create circumstances for the afghan forces to hold their own. that's been a game plan for a while and there's no indication that it works. secondly, i think mark is spot-on. during the obama administration,
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they spent months and months. they overstrategized the issue. and so this administration does very little and, by the way, where is the state department? where is the diplomatic piece? where is the foreign policy piece? and to turn this over to the pentagon and say, well, you just decide what's going to happen there, you sort of wonder, do we have a foreign policy or do we just have decisions about troop deemployments? >> well, he brings up a great point. this is something that we've talked about during this administration at least from a couple of months in. there are so many places where the people who need to be in place or traditionally have been in place are not in place. there are policies that have been in place for a reason. there's a reason that you roll things out in a certain way with a number of reviews and people there give the reviews. you take that as one piece of it and then another piece of it is, you have the issue that has con founded president after president after president and that is israel and the palestinians and you're sending
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jared kushner, who has no diplomatic experience, who has no military experience, who has, as far as we know, no experience in this area whatsoever. where does that leave the administration when it's juggling, frankly, so many problems on the foreign front. >> how difficult this issue is when you throw the whole apparatus at it. several have aspired to get a peace agreement and have failed. i doubt sending his son-in-law is going to succeed. you've seen that more wildly through the middle east, particularly with the dispute between the saudis and qatar right now where the -- if we had an america first approach, what we'd want is the saudis and qatars to play nice in the sandbox. but trump, for whatever reason,
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saudi arabia and by the king of president of egypt and has decided to take steps in the pursuit other than what would be the traditional u.s. line to de-escalate between saudi arabia and we're going to see the lack of attention with the professionals in other places. i think, you know, in israel it's just that there is only an upside because previous administrations have failed. >> we're out of time but i want to ask the ambassador this before we go. what are the chances, just as josh pointed out and as we all know, incredibly experienced and impressive people have tried to do this and have failed. they say, why not send somebody in who is approaching it from a completely different perspective. maybe that will work. >> i understand the sentiment. if you've tried everything, try something different. but i think what is positive is
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they see a broader strategy that is work with the saudis, go after anyone who has supported muslim brotherhood and by the way that includes hamas and as the saudis appreciate that, they jam fatah, the other palestinian entity into the equation. i understand what they're doing and it's based on the notion that the enemy of your enemy must be your friend but it's still your enemy so i'm not sure it's really going to work and, you know, of course it's a nice try to do something very different but, you know, what about the secretary of state? he's got lots of experience in the middle east. why isn't he thrown into this? why do we have to go with a son-in-law who, as you point out, has very fairly limited experience. >> ambassador mark, josh, thank you. and speaking of jared kushner, he just spoke moments ago
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question, when will the senate and the public get to read a repeal plan that republicans believe they can pass. and there are some real world consequences to the uncertainties surrounding this bill. a number of insurers have opened to the question of what kind of appeal can get passed and signed. so a lot of folks watching this very closely. >> including rand paul who is asking kasie hunt, if you've got a copy of the bill, i'd like to see it. you cannot make this stuff up, garrett. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. one nation overdosed. a special report from jacob s soboroff. we're talking about thousands of overdoses in the heartland. to make everything work better. i call it the internet of everything, but it's really the internet of everyday life.
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fitzgerald" from sinking and more lives being lost. joining me now is a four-star admiral. these are harrowing circumstances. how does this happen when you have a $1.8 billion technologically advanced warship? >> well, i commanded the sister ship. i know that ship extremely well. that captain's cabin, which was the point of impact, was one i spent a thousand nights in, literally. the answer to the question is, picture an eight-lane highway with all the cars moving very fast. it's at night. the lights are difficult to read. and all of a sudden there's n traffic separation scheme. that's what it's like at sea and i think what happened is that vessel ahead of the navy ship made an erratic maneuver. the ship did not respond quickly enough to get out of the way. no time to react. tragedy at sea.
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>> so let me put it -- let the navy put it into their own words. they kind of described what you just talked about. here's what they said about this harrowing ordeal that the sailors faced. >> faced. >> the water flow was tremendous, so there wasn't a lot of time. they had to fight the ship to keep it above the surface. and so it was traumatic. >> i don't know what is more -- what is another word that, you know, just horrifying, terrifying, give us a sense of what it would have been like in those minutes on board thatship. >> picture yourself in her house and suddenly gongs are going off, big bells, an announcing system that says collision collision brace for shock. all quarters, all hands man your battle stations. you're stumbling out of your bed, headed to your damage control station, the first thing
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you find out is that the captain of the ship is incapacitated. you have to leader, the lights are going out, the ship is settling in the water, and it is terrifying in every dimension. they performed heroically without their captain if is an act of real bravery and competition on the part of these sailors to save thatship. >> can we keep it from happening again? >> we can, we'll take this incident, study it, die sect se and we'll know second by second what happened on those ships. we'll build a case study, we'll learn from this and not repeat this mistake. we have to remember, chris, it is dangerous operating ships at sea, but this is a once in a decade, once in every other decade kind of experience, we will learn from it, we have to. >> many thoughts and prayers for
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the families of those killed. admiral, thank you so much, appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. >> this week we're taking an in-depth look at america's opioid crisis. overdoses are now the leading killer of people under 50 in the u.s. with the annual death toll surpassing hiv, gun deaths, and car crashes at their peak. jacob, what can you tell us? >> we're talking about ohio where officials say they could see 10,000 overdose deaths this year alone. that is higher than just 25 years ago. on the ground there every day they're scrambling to keep up. >> dayton, ohio. home of the first airplanes built by the wright brothers. >> the deputy said there was a
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car accident here, and they took one person out who had a 1,000 yard stair and she in the back of the ambulance. >> he got in an accident and told the paramedic he was on n phyentenol. >> what did he say to you? >> that he loves me. >> what did you say to him? >> that i love him too. >> what's it like to go through this? >> hell. hell. every day it is hell. >> in the past two years, fentanyl that can be thousands of times stronger than heroin has been bloflooding into place like montgomery, ohio. through just may, overdose deaths in the county almost hit last year's total.
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they estimate the final total will double that. >> we're on a pace to have 800 people die this year in our county. we're per capita number one. our job markets tanked, we lost our auto motive industry. i think people are depressed and self medicates. >> in response to media attention, access to mills are restricted and in replace came heroin from mexico. cheaper and more powerful, then they started mixes fentynal into the heroin. it is the most fatal drug america has seen. >> you said you have a nickname for this street. >> morgue avenue. >> which houses have people died in? >> what houses have they not died in, really. look at all of these places, i lived here about five years and
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in the last five years, it is unreal. i mean in 47 minutes, there was nine deaths. on this street. >> people dieing from what? >> drugs. >> as the death rates skyrocket, the bodies come to the montgomery county cornener. >> when did the bodies around us come in here? >> in the last 24 to 48 hours. >> and every day, bodies are cycling through here? >> yes, these trays will be full by tonight. >> what's the percentage of the bodies in here right now that are overdose deaths from heroin or fentynol. >> 70% of the people in this room died probably from drugs? >> that's correct. >> if you could extrapolate from
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the numbers you see here in montgomery county, how many people will be killed this year. >> we cover a fifth of the state of ohio, ande're estimating about 2,000 overdoses this year, if that continues that's about 10,000 for the state or more. >> how is that not a mass casualty event? >> it is, it is just a medical event. >> a medical emergency? >> i believe so. it needs to be considered an emergency. >> reporter: they want to dr a medical emergency and they need help to manage a daily death toll. we'll show you how and why the drugs are flooding into ohio and the massive undertaking that faces law enforcement on a daily basis to try to keep the drugs
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off of the street, chris. >> incredibly important and devastating to watch. thank you so much, jacob, we'll look forward to your report tomorrow. thank you, much appreciated. >> we'll be right back. before fibromyalgia, i was on the go. i kept on top of things. then the chronic, widespread pain slowed me down. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. he also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. woman: for some, lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain
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