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thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. >> everybody will have an adequate time to take a look at it. i think this will be as transparent as it can be. >> election night in america. polls close in georgia as senators craft a bill so secret, even they don't know what's in it. >> i haven't seen the bill. >> i have not seen a final proposal. >> tonight new reporteding on what is in the bill. what is being done to stop it. with senators chris booker and cory murphy and how the elections results in georgia could change politics in washington. then the attorney general lawyers up. >> does president trump believe the russian government interfered in the 2016 elections? >> i think i have been sat down and talked to him about that specific thing.
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all in starts right now. >> at this hour, all eyes are on the sixth congressional district in georgia. just 30 minutes ago, the final polls closed in the most expensive house race in history. they competed in a special election to replace health and human services secretary tom price. it has been held by republicans for almost 40 years, since 1978. but polls suggest that could change tonight. i'm joined by steve kornacki. tell us about this district and what we should be watching for. >> this is quint essential. we talked about the college educated suburban whites. democrats targeted them last year. that's the story of this district. this district was created in its modern form in 1992. it was created to throw night
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gingrich into a district with suburban republican who's might not be comfortable with his stif. sounds familiar? here what we have. you have handel leading this by 2 points over ossoff. i want to show you. those numbers are coming from one county, from fulton county. almost half the district is fulton county. remember what we showed you. jon ossoff, we're rounding up. 48.6% in fulton county. in those numbers i just showed you. that is the early vote. the ballots cast before today in fulton county. this is an only this is number. if you want to win as a democrat, you probably need to be right at 50% in fult on county. and 50% is your target. he is getting 48.6% in the early vote. remember the expectation, the talk from democrats was that they would have an advantage in
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the early vote pause of their superior motivation, enthusiasm. all the stories we're hearing. if it landed him at 48.6, his target is 50. this is the first indication we're going to get more numbers coming in. the first indication we're getting is that's not the number you want to be seeing if you're jon ossoff. >> all right. thank you for joining me. we'll be check thing with you. >> not only will it affect perceptions. it could have big implications for the health care bill. health care was the top issue with more than 80% saying it was very important to they will. just one in four approved of the health care bill passed in the house. today, mitch mcconnell said he would release a discussion draft of the secret bill on thursday
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ahead of a likely vote next week. >> i wouldn't want to compare it to the house bill. it will speak for itself. it will be different. and based on these endless discussions with the only people interested in changing the law, republican senators. >> like the rest of america, i have not seen the bill. the only way he can pay, however, for a massive tax cut for the rich which is the central plank of the gop health care effort is of course by reducing expense on health care coverage for millions of people. and it is not going to change. the senate bill has been expected to be more moderate in other ways. there are late indications the opposite may be true. axios is reporting that it will go even further.
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it would mean for example there could be no protection for essential health benefits in certain states or limits on how many health care companies can charge older americans had relative to younger ones. they took issue, not with that but the way it was drafted. >> i would have liked for this to be a more open process. >> if you're frustrated by the lank of transparency, i share your concern. >> now they're doing the same thing. >> all these senators could of course stand up to mitch mcconnell. refuse to consider a bill had. and the bill unprecedented secrecy but that's not what they're doing. >> at the end of the day, that doesn't preclude my responsibilities as senator to vote yes or no based on the substance that is in it. and i look forward to diving in.
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>> at the white house today, during a rare press briefing, sean spicer echoed what trump said yesterday behind closed doors when he said it needs more heart. that fits the pattern. despite celebrating in the rose garden, the president later decide it in private. he said it was mean, mean, mean. >> i don't really think that accurately reflect the health care bill. i think it was a misinterpretation of a private meeting. >> so you're saying he is on board then. >> he is on board. >> let me start with the procedural objections being made by republican colleagues that they don't like the process. it makes them a little queasy.
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>> give me a break. everyone of these republicans could have stood up and told their leadership that they won't vote for it they are celebrating that this is being done quietly behind closed doors. in the end, they know with a this product will look like. they know it will be very similar to the house bill. it will cut health care for millions of americans. driving rates up for millions more. and they quite honestly don't want that to play out in public. i don't believe them. i think behind closed doors, they're routing it.
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>> there's a 13 senator working group, all men who are supposedly crafting the bill. and i've heard interviews with the various members. they haven't seen the legislation. are they telling the truth or is it just being written by a few staffers in mcconnell's office? >> they might technically be tlg they have been working as i had with usually on the details. for them on suggest that they don't know what's in the bill, that's not trooflt they've caucused it. all 52 of them have discussed it. and i think they have a very good expense they're about to trot out a product that will hurt a lot of americans very badly. >> there was this assumption that the aca, a very unpopular piece of legislation, and not beloved by conservative policy wonks. that the senate would moderate. that they would make this bill
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less conservative, let's say, than the house bill. reporting from axios that shows some of the potential things being considered would be essentially a wholesale state by state deregulation of some of the most affordable care act protections. >> they have such a thin margin in the senate. they have to get the support of people like rand paul, mike lee and ted cruz. in order to do that, they have to make the bill even crueller. even more evil than the house bill. and so they are doing that by giving more jurisdictions of the states to discriminate against poor people and sick people. there are reports the medicaid cuts might in the end be deeper in the senate bill. they might push them off. post post then three or five or seven years. so you have to remember for all the credit they were getting early on for trying to bring it early on to the center.
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they have to make it even worse. >> i've covered politics. i was in washington covering politics. the last big domestic initiative by the president before this was social security privatization. that was rolled out and hit a more standard period. public debate. the president did events. there was this back and forth but it failed. i just don't understand, i'll gentle genuinely asking. if it is not popular, why they don't think that will hurt them? >> i have only two guesses. one is that they are so scared of the republican primary that base who they believe would pillory them if they didn't follow through on the promise if they didn't pass anything. they repealed obamacare. second, i think that there's a chance that they think this
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russia story is going to be the document the nanlt narrative over the course of 2017 and 2018. if they get it done, maybe the media's attention will quickly shift off health care and over to russia. russia is potentially also pretty damaging to them politically. maybe they believe it is less damaging than health care. >> the final quick question. senator schumer was onner and said the notion to perceive -- the motion to proceed might be the best shot. >> the first motion to proceed to the bill, it is still a 50-vote margin. but that will be the test vote to see if mitch mcconnell has his votes lined up. so for your viewers in places like --
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>> thank you. >> they like you a lot better. >> they have to continue to make those calls into nevada, maine, into alaska. places where i truly believe these senators are still up their mind. if i had to guess, he does not have his votes there. he would modify and it tweak it evidence to tweaked try to get the last few votes on board. >> right. you know better than i do. thanks for joining me. >> joining me, the former senior adviser of the hillary clinton campaign, and political analyst, lawyer, author of america's bitter pill. >> you want to think there's a relationship between policy and politics. >> it really doesn't seem to be policy led. there are conservative health care wonk who's have a vision of
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what they want and they don't like the house bill. >> the president doesn't know what is in either bill. he is hardly a policy leader. let's look at what the republicans ostensibly claim to want to do. the problem they want to solve. the high cost of health insurance. there are two ways you can solve it. one is do you something about the cost of health care. do you something about drug prices. and hospital profits and profits of medical device makers. they're doing none of that. >> to be clear, you would have to squeeze a lot of powerful people. >> i can sell you a policy, if you get cancer, it is not covered. if you go to the emergency room, it's not good. if your spouse gets pregnant, that's not good. and then i can lower the price of the insurance. so that's kind of what i think they say they're doing.
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plus they're cutting off herring for millions and millions of people who are covered now by the medicaid expansion. and by medicaid generally. this is going to cut back on what used to be medicaid. >> it has to. they're disguising it, we'll substituincubstitute for block . they're cutting herring for the poor. if they want to help the poor, they would do something about the price of drugs, the price of hospital care, the price of all the players. in the health care industry. they're not even he purporting to do anything about it. >> the game when, this is where it comes into effect. it is not popular. >> if he loses with this going on. they are saying, our politics are so powerle, they can overwhelm whether people do or do not like our central policy.
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>> it is true, the health care repeal is deeply unpopular in deeply red districts. so that's why eyes are on georgia even more than they would normally be. however, there are 93 seats currently held by republicans in the house in district that's are easier to win than georgia's significance. and everyone of them know who they are. and the margin will be applied to their own district. and they'll know how vulnerable they are if they vote against it. >> by the time you get to 2018, if they pass this law. people will have a much better idea. >> the idea, that's why i find it so remarkable. you're going to actually live, the thing is a law. you're going to change the law of america in a very complicated system. you won't just pass and it move on to the calendar. >> he's right though.
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i think it has to be that they're afraid of opposition from the right. >> that can be the only explanation. >> for the political. >> i would say the purpose is not to do something about prices. >> that's the sole purpose of health care repeal. that's a lousy reason to pass policy in america. >> i somewhat disagree. it is about tax cuts. >> it's the same thing. >> they were going to give tax giveaways to the rich by some vehicle. >> it is a very small portion of people. a tiny percentage of people. >> that's exactly right. we'll see what happens in georgia but i think the political congratulations being made by all parties here, it is a remarkable moment in american
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political history. this is true innovation. >> how does anyone pass the law. >> the senate parliament, all the way back to world war i to look at a process like that. thank you both. ahead, the white house shroud in the secrecy from crafting their signature piece of legislation to routine briefing. we'll talk about the trump administration retreating behind closed doors. a flat tire in the middle of the night. hold on dad... liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. don't worry - i know what a lug wrench is, dad. is this a lug wrench? maybe? you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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first on camera interview in eight days. the white house refused to let anyone outside the briefing room to see or hear what he had to say. they released a paper transcript instead which somewhat undercuts what sean spicer said. the president hasn't given a camera speaker view since may 13 and he hasn't done a solo news conference since 124 days ago. last june the department of state held one every weekday. this month there have been two a week or five so far. among routine pieces of information this white house has seen fit to conceal, the white house visitors logs and the presses's tax returns. more and more in the trump era, business in washington is happening behind closed doors. the federal government's leaders are hiding from public scrutiny. and nowhere is it more obvious than perhaps the senate spearheaded by mitch mcconnell
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which will affect the economy is being written in such secrecy that even the president of the united states has not seen it. >> has the president seen a draft of the senate health care bill? >> i don't know that. i know that there was some chatter today. i know the president has been on the phone extensively with the leader and with key senators. i don't know if he's seen the legislation or not. >> according to rules they must score it first. today they headed over to see if they could sneak a peek. >> we're going to do an outside chance. we probably won't get it. we're going to march into the building and ask as nicely as possible, maybe they will show us a copy so we can send it out to the public. >> news flash. we didn't get the bill. >> one of those senators joins
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me now. i actually went down a rabbit hole when i saw this. i thought that was a clever stunt. it occurred to me, who owns the thing that gets sent to the cbo. it is not hippa medical records. they should have equity in being able to see it. what is the deal? >> the folks are incredible professionals who try desperately to resist the politics of the day and age. they aren't allowed to share it with us. we knew that going in. this was in a sense, an attempt to draw attention to the absurd. that you have literally the most important piece of legislation to pass through senate in years and years and years. perhaps since the obamacare legislation. being done all in secret behind closed doors. where you have folks retreesing. i use that purposely because i think it is an act of cowardice. you're afraid of their reaction. so this is an absurd moment in
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american history. they had to get into a taxi cab. on the off chance they might share a bill that should be out in the public right now any way. >> the secrecy to me as a report he, as someone who reported in different administrations. one of the things i keep coming back to. the president of the united states hasn't come out and given a speechest hasn't given a press conference where people ask ques. and barack obama i think in his presidency, there have been five or six press conferences. he goes and takes members for members of congress. it does seem to me there's something really dangerously unraveling to the degree that is not happening here. >> this is another case where the president of the united states, a shaleful cowardice hiding behind bluster and br
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bravado. an act of political courage. you don't see from presidents often. weeks before this bill was coming to a vote, president obama on national tv invited congressional republicans in to debate him with the merits of his bill. standing by the affordable care act. a president stands up and says i'll in the arena. this is the right thing for the american people. so here you have president trump hiding. hiding from his legislation. hiding from the truth. not coming out and saying this is the plan that i have. he promised americans america with more access. more affordable. he said it would be terrific. and yet he has not even talking to the public about the details of his built. it is sort of an outrageous comparison and really a low moment when it comes to the process we have here of developing substantive
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legislation. >> all of this that we're learning no, one makes anyone be not secretive. we learned with the tax returns, all the candidates had given theirs. mitch mcconnell is saying, i don't care about this, the state department has been running on camera briefings for years. those are just traditions. i guess, what is the limiting condition here? what bounds any sort of public exchange? what creates the conditions for that? do they ultimately have to pay a political price? >> that will be, it remains to be seen. donald trump is clearly decimating norms of that office that he holds. this is the senate. it is a cooling saucer so to speak for the hot tea of the republic that we are supposed to be the world's greatest deliberative body.
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issues are suppose to be discussed and debated. they even admitted in the founding of the republic that this would be a slow body considering things thoughtfully. the reason we have six-year terms. all of those traditions in the short time, especially thunder leadership, are being decimated. and this body is slowly creeping away from its historical intent. and this is probably one of the greatest outrages. in fact, the last time, it set a record for one of the longest political debates. it was health care. it goes to the core of what we say our country is about. fighting for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. this is what is expected of us. >> all right. thank you for making time tonight. >> coming up, the highest ranking attorney in the country
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ask your doctor about cialis. the nation's top law enforcement officer has a lawyer of his own. jeff sessions is the latest trump associate to hire a personal lawyer amid the expanding russia probe. attorney charles coop here sat righted behind sessions at the hearing confirm to nbc news that he is representing sessions. he defended california's same sex marriage ban and who is a finalist to be the new solicitor general before withdrawing from consideration earlier this year.
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all associates of the president are busy hiring lawyers, so robert mueller. he brought on an experienced federal prosecutor named andrew weissman. he is an expert on flipping witnesses. this comes as michael flynn who is at the center of the russia probe may already be cooperating with investigators. that's according to sheldon cooper. >> all the signals are suggesting that he is already cooperating with the fbi and may have been for some time. that's the conclusion from all the evidence and some experience dealing with this. >> i agree the likelihood of his cooperation is very high. if not right now, at some point very soon in the future. because of the very, very heavy legal culpability and potential penalty that he faces. >> amid widening probes and
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accept the conclusion that russia interfered in the 2016 election, the president has since refused to acknowledge russia's role calling it fake news. asked about it point blank today, white house press secretary sean spicer said he could not characterize the president's view. >> very plainly, a yes or no answer. does president trump believe the russian government interfered in the 2016 elections? >> i have not sat down and talked to him about that specific thing. it would be glad to tough base with him. >> generally speaking, there are 16 intelligence agencies that say that they did. the former fbi director said without a doubt -- >> i understand. i've seen the reports. >> does the president share those views? >> i have not asked him about that. i would be glad to touch base and get back to you. this follows pattern saying the
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president he will go out of his way to avoid saying anything bad about vladimir putin. meanwhile, rex tillerson who received an award has put together a now plan for dealing with russia which includes engagement on, of all things, cyber security and cyber espionage. and yet, title, the trump administration's relations with russia just got a whole lot more complicated. the president met in the oval office today. the president of ukraine where they are currently occupying, the treasury department has new sanctions tied russian activity in eastern ukraine. meanwhile, tensions are escalating in the skies over syria where russia is threatening to retaliate after the u.s. on sunday shot down a fighter plane belonging to the syrian regime which is russia's
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ally. it came as close as five feet away. i'm joined now by the national security and foreign policy report for the atlantic, and the reporter for politico, susan, let me start with you. i am very confused about the state of present u.s./russia relations. donald trump has very nice things to say about vladimir putin. wouldn't it be great if we could be friends with the russians and meanwhile shooting down a plane. >> i thought your report captured how head spinning time it is. if you asked me or anyone who closely follows, what is our russians policy. i think they would have to say, i don't know. there's as much chance of real conflict as you pointed out as there is this new reset.
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i think it was really underscored. it was very awkward. there was no yucking it up surround sound when president trump net russian foreign minister. trump called it the ukraine rather than ukraine which is something ukrainians hate. but at the same time, escalating with the russians. what it underscores is that trump came into office with instincts but not necessarily a strategy or a team of people who could put together a strategy. >> so one theory is that there is no core. on many different foreign policy issues, the trump team is pulling in different directions. i would like to you respond, that trump and his folks wanted to come in and be more friendly toward russia. and the possibility of collusion, the firing of james comey, the pressure the
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president spoke about when he fired him, has created political dpigss essentially hand cuffs him. >> i don't think those are mutually exclusive. what you should have mentioned is what the russians themselves did. we think of putin as this grand chess master, the strategist. he interfered in our elections and now he's getting the blow back. susan is right. whoever is the last person to talk to trump is the one who gets to carry the day. and the ukrainians know it, too. they were saying ahead of this visit that they're trying to get had investigat him in the white house. even if he stops by for two minutes just to get in there before trump meets with putin. just to preempt any chemistry he might have. >> so all of this, the core of this. i want to, i have to turn to
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this tweet. i need to hear what you think about it. at the core of this is left of center. on top of this we have this horrible story, this american who died at the hands of north korea. >> while i greatly appreciate the efforts of president xi and china to help with north korea, it has not worked out. at least i know china tried. which is either earnest or sarcastic. i don't know. what are we supposed to make of that? what are the chinese supposed to make of it? >> i'm thinking back in my head when you read this. we read an article saying, can you imagine the president making foreign policy by tweet? and i think this is a good example of it. forget cell lynnology. we have no idea. the bottom line. certainly when president trump came into office, he suggested that he was going to try to find
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a way to work with the chinese. even to link our trade policy to cooperation on north korea which at the time raised many eyebrows among many who follow china affairs. now he seems to be declaring that path having failed to produce anything meaningful. and there is 92 talk about after that horrible death yesterday. >> the thing that links they will, if you give a lot of mixed messages, it seems you run a risk of increasing the rick of military conflict. >> or just irrelevance. people don't bother dealing with you. a few months ago, he said he would lean hard on china and make they will get you have to north korea. now, a for effort. they tried. literally a couple months.
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>> thank you both. >> thank you. a quick update on election night which we are in. results coming in. a special election if south carolina's fifth district. let's go to steve for the very latest. >> the good news right now if ire jon ossoff, he is ahead. is that enough to withstand what is to come? this is democratic heart of the district. dekalb county. here's what he who is the withstand. a lot of same day expected. this is the republican part of the district. and the same from cobb county is the advantage for handel. would that be enough to overcome the lead? in georgia, south carolina, their candidate leads. here's the problem for democrats. the heavily republican part of
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district, that is overrepresented here. a lot of big republican areas to come. it looks line democrats will improve on what they do in this district. at this point, where they're coming in from. it is better news for republicans. >> all right. thanks for that update. still to come, prux's approval rating falls by double digits. plus, speaking the president's language in tonight's thing one and thing two next. you doyou'll see whatet but in you're really made of. after five hours of spinning
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>> he is the ultimate deal maker. >> the president in just ten days has changed the geopolitical reality wherever he went. >> i can't thank you enough for the privilege that you've given me, that you've shown. >> thanks to president trump, america is back. >> they might believe this president can to do have no wrong or just likes compliments. but it is not just the white house staffers. one of america's top ceos just delivered perhaps the most trumpian tribute to the president. that's thing two in 60 seconds. pain can really be a distraction.
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as we continue to watch returns in both georgia and south carolina tonight, brand-new national polling
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offers some context for those races. the president's approval rating stands at 36% nationwide among republican voters. the president's approval is much higher at 72%. just 28% aprof of the president's handling of the russia investigation, 73% believe the senate republicans should discuss their health care plan publicly and 56% of republican voters agree. early indications on tonight's election results in georgia, it's a nail biter. next. think again.
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we're watching results come in from georgia's sixth where the race right now is tight. joining me now from jon ossoff's headquarters, reck ba ka traiser. joining me from washington, d.c.. rebecca, you've been doing reporting down there. what surprised you about what you've seen down there? >> reporter: well i've been shocked by the kind of fervor and sort of awakened plit tie zags of the affluent suburban women down here. i heard about it, read about it and then i realized that you couldn't swing a cat in georgia sixth without hitting a woman who had previously been politically passive who now it's her life's mission not just to flip georgia six but all of the
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red districts in georgia. there is a group of women here remaking their lives to getting involved in progressive politics and it's remarkable to talk to them. >> cornell, the numbers coming in right now, it's very tight. there is some early indications that of of was off his targets. as someone who was the pollster for the dnc at one point, what are the benchmarks that you're looking at here. >> i'm looking at a couple of things. i always thought this was a tough district. it should be a 20-point republican district. this shouldn't be close. when you look at what democrats have been able to do in the early vote, the republican here has to dominate election day. and right now it doesn't look like she's dominating election day in a way that makes them comfortable. particularly when you look at fulton, a place where she did particularly well in the primary. she doesn't seem to be dominating that as well as she
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should. this race is neck in neck on election day, i think democrats like their opportunity given what they've done and their early vote efforts. but look, you know, this is a district that again, this is the trump effect, right? republicans can spin this however they want. but this is not a district we should be competing in. this is a district that's a tossup. if you look at this going into the midterms, democrats can put a lot of districts in play and in 2006 when we took back the house, it was because we were able to put so many districts in play. and if this district is in play, the republicans have to be concerned. >> phillip from the washington post just made the point that south carolina 5 and georgia 6 are districts that seven months ago republicans won by 23, 20 .5 points and the south carolina k race was a little bit of a sleeper. when you talk about the activist volunteer core, and i have read about them in other
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circumstances, what is driving them? is it strump? is it health care? what is the core of why folks who weren't engaged feel engaged now? >> reporter: well the women i've spoken to are talking about health care nonstop. they're also talking about trump. they're also talking about how the trump election, it's not so much anger at trump. that's there. it's his election and the degree to which it took them by surprise snapped them out of political apathy. it's like wait a minute, i have been sleep walking through my life. i assumed politics from different from what i do. i assumed it wasn't about me. and now what i understand is that participation is part of being in this country. it's like a real civic awakening, a very sophisticatedly articulated one and it's not as simple as trump. but they're talking about health care, representation, talking about massageny and
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representational issues. >> you know, cornell, this question about motivation, this is a key one, right? it matters in the special elections and it matters in mid terms and democrats have hads a real problem in the last few rounds of mid terms. what signs are you take away from that in what we've seen seen in special elections thus far. >> you know this as much as i do. we tend to read too much into special elections. that said, i'm going to read too much into this special election. typically we get a better than double digit dropoff when looking at base democratic precincts for med terms and you don't see the same drop off in the republican precincts. midterm elections aren't necessarily voters changing their mind. it's a different electorate in midterms than in the presidential. that's the democrats problem. if you see democrats motivation and democrat sort of voting doesn't drop off 10, 15 points
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like it typically does in midterms, that's what we saw in 2006. you see a chance for democrats to flip the house, even though gerrymandering has made it difficult. >> south carolina 5 which no one issing looing at is three points now. it's probably going to end up larger than that. but that in and of itself is notable. thank you both. that is all in for this evening. rachel maddow starts right now. >> thanks my friend. appreciate it. thanks to you at home for joining us on this hour. tonight we're watching two congressional elections play out. one in georgia, one in south carolina. polls closed as you know at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. four republicans left seats in the house of representatives in order to become officials in the trump administration instead. that opened up all of their seats. all four of those people represented districts that were not necessarily swing

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