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like it typically does in midterms, that's what we saw in 2006. you see a chance for democrats to flip the house, even though gerrymandering has made it difficult. >> south carolina 5 which no one issing looing at is three points now. it's probably going to end up larger than that. but that in and of itself is notable. thank you both. that is all in for this evening. rachel maddow starts right now. >> thanks my friend. appreciate it. thanks to you at home for joining us on this hour. tonight we're watching two congressional elections play out. one in georgia, one in south carolina. polls closed as you know at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. four republicans left seats in the house of representatives in order to become officials in the trump administration instead. that opened up all of their seats. all four of those people represented districts that were not necessarily swing districts, considered red districts, republican districts.
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but the special elections that we've had so far in the trump era to replace those four people who left the house in order to join the administration, those have been interesting races so far. republicans held on to both ryan zinke state and the mike pompeo state in kansas. but in both of those cases voters swung double digits in the democrats' direction. compared to november's election result with bs the democrat in the montana district did like 14 points better than the presidential race had gone for democrats in that state. in the kansas race, the kansas democrat did 20 points better than the democrats had done in the presidential results in that district. so 14-point democratic swing, a 20-point democratic swing. in both of those cases, though, those seats were republican enough that even swings that much in the democrats direction were not enough to flip the seat
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and the republicans ultimately won both of those races in montana and in kansas. now, tonight it's south carolina and georgia. and south carolina, it is considered to be another race that on paper at least would be very hard for a democrat to win. this is a race to fill the seat that was vacated by former south carolina congressman mick mulvaney. when it came to the presidential race in that district in november, trump won there by 18 points. now tonight this is the results that we've got so far. in that south carolina race. again this is the 5th congressional district. ralph norman, a real estate developer. hey's the republican candidate in the race right now. he's at 51%. the democratic candidate in the race is archie parnell. this is a significant portion of the vote in here, 71% of the vote in. but it's a three-point race between them. again this was a district that trump won by 18 points. right now with 71% of the vote
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in, the republican in that race is only winning by three points. now it's an interesting district. republican mick mulvaney held that seat comfortably for, i think, three terms. but before him, as recently as 2010, this seat in south carolina, house district 5 was held by a democrat named john separat sprat. it has been a sleeper race compared to what is really the marquee event tonight. this is the race in suburban atlanta, georgia's 6th district. this is the seat that was previously held by donald trump's controversial health secretary, tom price. now democrats in contrast to that south carolina race, democrats have thrown in as much as they could to try to help their democrat candidate in georgia 6, john of of. running against republican georgia former secretary of state karen handle.
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tonight is actually a run-offelection in georgia. there was a first round in april. 18 different candidates ran. jon ossoff won by such a margin that he almost won the seat right there that night. for want of 2 percentage points in april, he was ultimately forced into tonight's run-off by him and karen handle. it's interesting. read a lot of the nationwide commentary on this today and i think people are really focused on how much effort democrats have put into this race, and they certainly have, everything from party money to prominent democrats getting involved in doing what they can to activists all over that district, all over that state and in some cases all over the country. but republicans have bent over backwards for karen handle as well. in a race that republicans you wouldn't think would have to work this hard to win.
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but karen handle has had in-person visits from national republicans including house speaker paul ryan and from the president himself who also recorded robocalls and wrote tweets in support of karen handle's campaign. this district in georgia encompasses the northern suburbs of atlanta. it's considered a solidly republican district for years. held by a republican since 1979. the last time there was a congressional seat -- a congressional race in this district back in november, tom price won reelection by 24 points. before tom price held that seat it was held for two decades by former house speaker newt gingrich. it's a republican seat. but georgia 6 is also an affluent well-educated district. they only went for trump over clinton in november by the narrow margin of less than 2 points. in terms of what's going to happen tonight, it's rally anybo really anybody's guess.
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the 6th district was pounded by torrential rain most of the day. we also know there was heavy turnout in early voting, people who voted before election day, today. but in a special election like this with unpress dented amounts of spending in this race and national attention and local dynamics, nobody is quite sure how to extrapolate from that big early vote to what the vote results will be at the end of the night tonight. obviously it is still early. as it stands right now, there's about 46% of the vote in and it could bnt any close are. karen handle at 50.2%, jon ossoff at 49.8%. look at the raw numbers to see. it's just less than 500 votes between them at this point out of 120,000 votes cast. right now super tight but again, not yet half of the vote in. for a better look at what's happening and whether or not we
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can logically extrapolate from the vote that we do have in, we're going to bring in now were the great steve kornacki. he will be honchoing the big board tonight. thank you for being here. >> i love these things. >> you're good at these. tell us what we can tell from the results so far. >> we can see some interesting signs here. if you're a democrat supporter, ominous signs. karen handle leading the vote that we have. take a closer look at the district. here's what you have to be worried about if you're a democrat looking at these results right now. it looks like the vote that is left to come in is disproportionately going to be from right here, cobb county. this is the conservative heart of the base. this is the votes that will being tabulated today, cast today, karen handle is leading by 16 points. this is where you're probably proportionately speaking you're probably going to have the highest total of same-day votes. where ossoff got into the lead
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earlier tonight, he has had a very big margin, 60% of if early vote in dekalb county. however the same-day vote that we're seeing right now, true across the district, handle doing better in the same day vote than the early vote. if you're jon ossoff, the bottom line right now the returns, we'll see what hapts as we get more. but you probably wanted to see a bigger number in the early vote. he got 60% in dekalb. he probably wanted to be up 64%, 65%. somewhere around there in the early vote. he actually was under 50% in the early vote in fulton county. he probably wanted to be winning that outright. as i say, promorportionately speaking, a small number of votes. so all of those signs right now -- i've been talking to some republicans who feel good about this. if you're a democrat, you're nervous. but there are still a lot of votes out there. it's a volatile election.
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we've never seen a special election like this for a lot of reasons. we've been surprised before on election nights. you put it up there in south carolina, the south carolina 5th district, the republican leading by 3 points. republicans feeling a little better on this. >> i have just been told that the associated press just now called that race in south carolina for the republican, for ralph norman. >> the area that was outstanding, one republican county and also the rock hill area, outside charlotte. so it looks like this thing is going to tick up if this got to a 6, 7-point win for norman in this district. but as you say, this is a district, last year wu were upwards of 20 points in the presidential election. it's one that democrats will certainly want to brag about getting closer but of course the other story tonight is republicans are saying democrats when are you going to put a win on the board and again that comes back to georgia. we'll see as the votes come in. >> let me underscore what you said on this georgia race. when the fulton county numbers
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started coming in, that's when it seemed to me that the m thes got shaky in terms of what they're expecting from ossoff. did they expect that he would g ahead in fulton county and ahead by a lot. >> fulton county is half of the district. it's the biggest county. the closest of a swing county of these three. if you're a democrat, your target overall was 50%. you wanted ossoff to crack 50%. we're talking 49.9%. you wanted to be at 50% of all of the votes. if you're a democrat you're saying the advantage is the early votes. we're going to run up a bigger score in the early vote. here's the problem. in the early vote at least in the in-person early vote, doesn't count the mail-in ball lots, 48.6 for ossoff. i think the expectation from democrats is you're north of 50% in the early vote, it comes down with the same day.
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instead they got 69 # 68.6% in the early vote. and at least from the precincts we've seen so far has had karen handle leading in the same day. as i say, the fact that cobb county disproportionately is underrepresented at this point. >> if there was a turnout effect from the bad weather today in the district, does that have any partisan implications that you could foresee in terms of what was expected for same day election day voting rather than the early vote? >> it all depends. there have been anecdotal reports. and i've heard republicans saying this. that the turnout -- this is where if you're ossoff you want to get 60%, 61% of the vote. he got 60% in dekalb. there have been reports that the turnout in dekalb less than expected. we'll see in that turns out. be that's something else. obviously if you get into an election like this where it's going to be decided by a point
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or two, you could blame anything, whichever side you turn up on. >> whatever we say about the anecdotal information we've got about election day, weeks later when we finally get the real turnout numbers, it always turns out what you can see on election day -- >> take it with a huge grain of salt. >> anecdotes are worth as far as you can throw them. let me tell you that we have got the a.p. associated press calling the race in south carolina tonight. that's the race to fill the seat vacated by south carolina republican congressman mick mulvaney. the ap projected that ralph norman the republican would win that race. nbc news projecting that ralph norman, the republican candidate in south carolina's 5th district will be the winner of that race. that's cooked in terms of that having a projected winner. it will be interesting to watch the numbers as they continue to come in, even though there has already been a call.
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and that's because democrats will be watching those margins. this was a very republican district. donald trump won comfortably by double digits. ar think parnell was able to come in close there. democrats didn't spend much to help him unlike in georgia where both sides have spent so much, that in georgia that is the most expensive congressional race that has ever been conducted in our country. we're going to continue to watch to votresults from the voting tonight. i've got other news to bring you, including this late breaking news from the "the new york times." plus an exclusive tonight about something that's going to get very very unfrt kcomfortable in court. concerning trump and his business ties. that's all ahead tonight. that's all ahead tonight. stay with us. when it hurts, it hurts. when i can't do something,
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we're keeping an eye on the results from the voting tonight in georgia's 6th congressional district. repeating the notice, most the associated press and nbc news projected a winner the other special election tonight. the win held in south carolina. both the associated press and nbc news projecting that the republican in that south carolina race will win. but i also want to bring you some breaking news tonight as we're continuing to watch the results come in from georgia. we got breaking news late tonight from the "the new york times" and it concerns cia director mike pompeo. mike pompeo has been an increasingly interesting figure in the trump/russia
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investigation. one of the key allegations related to possible obstruction of justice by the president, which we're told is the subject of investigation by special counsel robert mueller, one of the key allegations is that the president may have asked the director of national intelligence, dan coats, if he would intervene with the fbi to try to stop their russia investigation. now, when that was first reported this month by the "washington post", the post also reported that cia director mike pompeo was in the room, he was in the oval office with trump and the director of national intelligence dan coats when the president allegedly made that request. that coats should intervene with the fbi. now that's interesting. in terms of trying to corroborate that allegation. if mike pompeo was the witness to it, presumably investigators would hawant to hear frim him a to whether or not he could corroborate that allegation.
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after that story came out we reported that the leaders of the senate judiciary committee had asked mike pompeo whether the white house talked to him, whether the white house had ever talked to anybody at the cia about the fbi dropping the investigation into general flynn. we reported last week that cia director mike pompeo missed the deadline for responding to that question from congress. he just did not respond. well tonight we have this brand-new reporting from the "new york times" about cia director mike pompeo and trump national security adviser mike flynn. it concerns the what happened during the 18 days between the time that salary yates warned the white house that mike flynn was vulnerable to russian blackmail. what happened between the time of that warning and the white house fired him. despite concern that flynn could be black mailed he was privy to
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cia secrets. that tells you a big part of what they're reporting tonight. quote, mr. pompeo was sworn in three days before sally yates went to the white house. he testified last month that he can dp didn't know what was said at that sally yates meeting. by that time c rks airks officials had attended meetings with fbi agents about mr. flynn and reviewed the transcripts of flynn's conversations with the russian ambassador, according to several current and former american suttecurity officials. they knew that they were looking at a quote compromised situation. a situation where the national security adviser could be black mailed from the russians. continuing from the times report tonight, quote, mr. trump waited 18 days from that warning from sally yates before he fired mike flynn. during that period mime pompeo, director of the cia continued to brief mike flynn and the
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president. he continued to deliver the president's daily brief, that highly classified intelligence briefing every day for every one of those days to the president and to mike flynn. now if cia officers had been privy to not just the warning from sally yates that she gave the white house, but if cia officers were also priviley to special intelligence that led to that warning, if they had reviewed the transcripts of flynn's conversations with the russian ambassador that he was apparently not telling the truth about, if the cia had that granular level knowledge about what might flynn had done wrong and what he might have been lying about in regard to his contacts with the russians, then why did the director of the cia keep giving him the secret information of the government for nearly three weeks? well, the white house went on including general flynn in that
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top secret daily briefings, conducted for the president by cia director mike pompeo all that time. now the question. did mike pompeo personally know the concerns about mike flynn when he continued with those briefings? did the cia director know there was a compromised situation for the national security advisor while he kept giving the potentially compromised official very secret information? the "the new york times" tonight reports one unnamed administration official says that whether or not mike pompeo knew personally about the concerns of mike flynn, he hadn't told the president about those concerns. this is very serious stuff. it has remained sort of an interesting, at least for me, an increasing point of focus as to why mike pompeo has not been asked directly in open session about these things that he was apparently in on as this very serious stuff unfolded at the white house, these allegations
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in the year 2000 on march 2nd of this year, nearly 100
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federal agents fanned out in the predawn hours and they made arrests of 11 people. some of them were high-profile people in a bad way. the day after those arrests the federal prosecutor in the eastern district of new york, a prosecutor who would go on to become attorney general of the united states, loretta lynch, she unsealed the indictment in that case that had led to all of those arrests. and that led to an excellent day of new york tabloid headlines like this one. borscht boys and goodfella us in $40 million stock swindle say feds. borscht boys and goodfellas? that was the new york post headline. in terms of national attention, it certainly did not hurt that literally the night before all of the arrests, the night before all of those federal agents fanned out and arrested the
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alleged mobsters in this case, the night before the arrest the tv show "law and order" aired an episode about the exact thing that was alleged in that indictment. on march 1st, i kid you not, "law and order" ran an episode about something going horribly wrong on wall street and it turns out the mafia is behind it. then in real life the very next day there were all of these arrests of mafia figures for a wall street fraud scheme. the day after that the real deal federal indictment in that case got unsealed and it spelled it out like a "law and order" plot. it spelled out all of the details about this $40 million fraud scheme orchestrated by the russian and italian mob. and the kind of fraud this was, it's called a pump and dump scheme, which i'm happy to tell you has nothing to do with breast feeding. basically they would pump up the value of what was basically an intrinsically worthless stock,
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they would pump up the value of the stock by fraudulent means, often by hyping it to like elderly investors or otherwise vulnerable people by, you know, kicking back money to brokers who were able to fraudulently convince their gullible clients to buy this junk. then when enough false demand was generated for the worthless stoc stocks, when enough people were buying that the price started to go up, then the mobsters would share they things of that worthless thing. and the thing was inperntly worstless. once they stopped artificially pumping up its value, they had already cashed out but all of the poor schmucks that they conned into buying it, they would be left with something worthless. mobsters make off with the money. all of the old gullible people get screwed.
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that's the kind of financial fraud that is hard to commit alone, if you think about it, right? one person can rarely do enough con artist touting to push up the price of a junk stock. you need a bunch of people working on this in concert. it has to be an organized crime. and it dd become an organized crime activity. the guys arrested in and named in the indictment back in 2000 included the brother-in-law of sammy the bull from the gambino crime family, and another guy from the bonanno crime family and from the genovese. all of these italian mafia figures were in the stock fraud and availed themselves of the muscle when it came to settling disputes that arose in the course of this crime. it was a mobbed up enterprise but it wasn't just the italian
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mob. remember the new york post head line was borscht boys and goodfellas. this scammen according to the feds and the arrest sheet was a joint operation between the italian mob and the russian mob. and the russian mobsters, they came in handy for this pump and dump scheme in particular because they were the ones who had great access to off-shore bank accounts and they were the ones that had great money laundering skills. so they were the ones who had to be involved in this thing to launder all of the profits. borscht boys and goodfellas. one of the boys in the round jup was a guy named phillip. he had done prison time. phillip satyr broke a glass on the bar top and took the stem of
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a margarita glass and jand it into a guy's face. the guy needed 110 stitch to hold his face together after felix got done with him. so felix sater did a year in prison for that assault. but it's interesting. when he and the other guys got picked up in the mob stock scheme years later in 2000, this $40 million fraud with all of these marquee named mobsters, it's interesting. felix sater didn't go to prison for that. they got him for it. he pled guilty but they didn't sentence him in conjunction with that $40 million strok fraud. they didn't sentence him with it even after they got his guilty plea. they didn't sentence it for it for more than a decade. at the end of the decade he just paid a little fine. there's interesting reports abwha about what he did during that decade and why the government waited a decade to sentence him
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and why at the end of it they didn't put him in prison even though they got a guilty plea out of him for a mob related $40 million swindle. there have been a whole bunch of interesting stories about what happened in that decade. there was the story about him knowing about stinger missiles that were for sale on the black market in russia. the shoulder fired missiles that can take town a helicopter or an airplane. the ones that the u.s. famously covertly supplied to fight the russians in afghanistan. he told the u.s. authorities about a bunch of stinger missiles being for sale on the black market and helped authorities buy the missiles off of the black market so they wouldn't get bought by terrorists instead. when loretta lynch was confirmed as attorney general, he was asked about that mysterious mob stock swindle pump and dump case from her time as district
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attorney in the eastern district of new york. she explained in the written responses to the questions that she got about it, she was up to be confirmed as attorney general. she explained that while prosecutors did hold off sentencing felix sater for more than a decade after he plead guilty, it was for a good reason. she plead that over the course of the decade he became a very valuable informant to them. giving prosecutors information crucial to the conviction of over 20 individuals, including those individuals responsible for committing massive financial fraud and members of la costra nos stra. the mafia. this is a mat are of controversy. all of the different part of it have been controversial and they've all been through court. the initial pump and dump scheme, the original fraud, that was a $40 million fraud and there were real victims of that
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fraud. this isn't like, you know, some insurance company doesn't make its dividend. this is like real human beings lost their life savings because of this fraud. and a guy convicted of felony charges in that case gets off with no prison time and a tiny fine, which one might surmise is a small proportion of the amount of money he made off of that crime. and he gets no punishment out all for more than a deck dade while she stayed free after pleading guilty? that's obviously controversial. there's been tons of litigation about that. there's also the matter that the prosecutors kept so much so secret about this case for so long. that was a points of controversy when loretta lynch moved up from the prosecutor's office to become attorney general. and there's been litigation about the secrecy in this case as well. but now, this story that has been intriguing from the beginning. this story that has been an
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interesting like wall street story, an interesting new york sto story, an interesting russia money laundering story within an interesting law enforcement story, it's intriguing on lots of levels but now it's about to become a big national politics story. because in that decade between all of those mob guys getting arrested, the borscht boys and goodfellas indictment. in that decade between those guys getting picked up because of that fraud case, that that decade between those arrests and felix sater pleading guilty to charges in that scheme, in that decade between him pleading guilty and him finally a decade later getting sentenced, in that decade where he wasn't getting sentenced because the government was using him as an informant. they were keeping him out in the wild so he could inform on the mob. in that decade that they kept hip out there free, not in prison informing on the mob, the other thing he was doing was
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real estate deals with donald trump. at least three of them. a would-be tower in phoenix that never got built. a tower in ft. lauderdale florida that did get built and then went into foreclosure and then trump soho in new york city which also get built but also went into foreclosure at one point. and whether or not you've ever read anything or followed anything about this part of the sort of trump story, the trump business story before, it's about to become a bigger story. it's a about to become a much more familiar story for two reasons. number one, today ron widen, senator on the intelligence committee announced that he's giving up a hold that he had placed on the trump administration's nominee to head up the financial crime scene at the treasury. he's giving up that hold because the financial crimes unit at the treasury finally agreed to hand
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over to senate investigators on the trump-russia case, finally agreed to hand over the financial records that they have at treasury which may be relevant to the trump-russia investigation. ron widen telling us he got briefed this morning on the comes transmitted to the senate. saying, quote, i believe these documents will be sufficient to start following the money. by which he means financial connections between trump associates and russia and trump's own business dealings with russian interests. in reporting on those developments today, ron widen dropping that hold, saying he's getting those documents, abc news today cites sources familiar with the investigation in reporting this. one of several areas of interest for the investigators has been the pool of investors who helped finance construction of the trump soho building in new york
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city. several names associated with the financing effort have alleged tie to money laundering or russian organized crime. so that's the first reason this is about to become a big story. because this senate is yanking on this thread of the story. and according to senator ron wid widen, they are finally getting co documents that will allow them to follow that up. that's one. second reason, this is about to become a big story, is because a federal racketeering lawsuit, a rico lawsuit against felix sater's company in which he partnered with donald trump, that rico lawsuit has been al w allowed to go forward now. and the former employee who has brought that rico lawsuit against felix sater and his former company, the rico lawsuit, the guy who brought that rico lawsuit is telling a reporter named tim o'brien that
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when felix sater and his company put together the financing for the trump projects, including trump soho, they had a specific explanation at their company for why they had to take some foreign financing and why thad had to turn some other foreign financing down. quote, the exemployee said in an interview that a competitor of the fl group also contacted him to invest when he took that office to felix sater and the chairman of sater's firm, they told him they had to take fl's funds for deals they were doing with trump because that investment firm was closer to putin. why did you have to take the money that was closer to putin? tim o'brien from bloomberg news is just reporting that. we've got an exclusive look at that reporting. he's going to be joining us in a moment. but if his reporting proves out,
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in between the racketeering lawsuit that's going ahead and the senate investigation of the documents they're getting from the senate, the investigation that robert mueller is leading as special counsel whose staff includes the former fraud chief at the justice department who was involved in the prosecution of felix sater for the pump and dump mob stock scheme all of those years ago, if this new reporting from tim o'brien proves out about russian money pouring into trump properties coming from sources close to putin, if that reporting proves out, we're left with the question of why that happened. why was money connected to putin pouring into trump projects? why did they do that? and if it did happen, is it likely now all these years later that that sort of thing is going to get somebody in trouble? reporter tim o'brien from bloomberg joins us in just a
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health secretary. right now with about two-thirds of the vote in, just shy of two-thirds of the vote, karen handel is at 52.6%, jon ossoff at 47.4%. steve kornacki tell us what this means >> you the see handel has moved into a solid lead. last time i talked to you i said there were ominous signs for the democrats out of cobb county. that's the story of what happened this hour. the same day vote has come from from cobb county. kar karen handel getting 60% of the vote out of cobb. cobb is reflecting the oversaul share of the vote in this district and in the returns we're seeing it should. and karen handel jumping out to a solid lead. the votes that are cast today on election day, she's getting 58% of the votes that were cast on election day. she lost the preelection day vote, the early vote. she only lost it by 1.4 points. this is a number that the democrats thought they could get
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much higher. they did anticipate handel doing well but she did much better in the early vote than was expected. >> and steve with this, we got 66% of the vote in right now. we're looking at about 10,000 vote lead for handel. >> it's pretty spread out evenly. the same day vote karen handel winning at a clip of 58%. she's going to continue to lead it. she's going to get more votes out of the same day. the only thing if you're a democrat you have to latch on is the mail-in vote. nothing has been counted yet from the mail-in. 6500 mail-in votes for cast tote until the preliminary. of those jon ossoff got 76%. what does that translate into? he got 5,000 votes, his opponents about 1500. if you have higher turnout here in the general election, if that
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6500 went to up 10,000, me might net 5,000 votes out of that. if he nets 5,000 out of the mail-in, she's -- he's down 10,000 now. i got a hard time seeing it. >> this is the special election in 26th congressional district in georgia. democrat jon ossoff against republican karen handel. we're getting a real-time result of what it means when more money is spent to win a congressional seat than at any other time. we'll be back with our exclusive interview with tim o'brien right after this. stay with us. -when? -friday. we gotta go. [ tires screech ] any airline. any hotel. any time. go where you want, when you want with no blackout dates. [ muffled music coming from club. "blue monday" by new order. cheers. ] ♪ how does it feel
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joining yus now is tim o'brien. he authored trump nation the author of being the donald. for which trump sued him and lost. his scoop on bloomberg on the financing of some of trump's most high profile finance projects and the dove tail of the trump/russia investigation. good to have you. >> good to be here. >> let me ask you about the central claim. you connect a lot of dots and put a lot of this history together. there's a very explicit claim from an ex employee of this company called bayrock. he is suing bayrock. he says when he worked at bayrock, one of the things they
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discussed internally at company is how the funding they were putting into trump projects was from people close to putin. >> right. right. >> how credible is that allegation? particularly given he is kind of a disgruntled employee? >> purely anecdotal. he has no records to show the records come from putin. a spokesman for president putin told me he has no connection to the bank that loaned the money to the bayrock group or the group itself. however, the banks that came into bayrock were -- and funding that came into bayrock was very murky, putin or not. and came in through felix, the guy corral be the money for the president. as we know about sat sater, he was a career criminal, mob ties, went to jail for assault, ran a pump and dump scam and sat in trump tower with the future president discussing business deals. traveling with him. traveling with his children.
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taking his children to russia to do deals. and i think to the extent that mueller investigation now is morphing into something other than obstruction of justice investigation, and mueller begins to try to follow the money trail, it would be interesting if some of this ends up coming back into an examination of trump and his relationship with felix sater. >> and there has been previous reporting, very interesting in terms of sater's criminal history, this very interesting and intriguing story in which he plead guilty and not sentenced for a decade later. intrigue about that for a number of reasons. but the president will never be in trouble for having unsavory associates. that itself is an crime. if every politician were indictable for that there would be no politicianes. the question here is whether or not there's money that went from russian sources to president trump that had implications other than business
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implications. >> and whether or not these associates sitting in his office develop relationships with him back then that in the president's current role could present a national security problem regardless of whether or not there is a crime. felix sater didn't disappear from the trump universe. as new york times reported earlier this year, he surfaced as one of the people trying to push a ukraine peace proposal to the white house. so why someone who the president said for years that he didn't know, didn't know very well, ends up with the president's own personal attorney pushing a peace plan and clearly still in the orbit of the white house is an open and interesting question. >> also, famously, felix sater add business card as trump organization senior adviser. that's after bayrock shut down. >> right. so they closed that portion of their business relationship but personally he was still involved with the trump organization, had an office there, had a business
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card there, a job title there. there's been some continuing -- >> and after trump was questioned under oath in our litigation about whether or not he was concerned about felix sater's mob ties at the end of 2007 and yet three years after that and sater continues as consultant to the company. and a decade later is still in contact with the president's term attorney. >> in terms of the question, again, about whether this is not just association but related to the current stuff, am i also right that one of the people who bob mueller brought on is special counsel one of the lawyers working with him is somebody who prosecuted sater for the mob -- >> andrew weissman was part of the new york district team that went of that whole crew doing pump and dump schemes. so yes. >> tim o'brien, the story will post very early tomorrow morning. thank you. >> thank you, rachel. good to be here. >> thank you. we'll be right back. stay with us.
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georgia race, fascinating to watch as those results come in tonight. lots of implications both for d democratic party and in terms of closeness of that race and who ends up on the board at end of the night. going to be late one. that does it for us for now. back here at midnight eastern time live with up-to-date election night results as coverage continues now with the last word with lawrence o'donnell. kb good evening, lawrence. >> so the last word for the republicans is, if you won your race by less than 20 points you are in serious trouble. >> yeah. i mean, you keep watching these swings, you know, and like in the montana race, that big swing and in kansas race that big swing. appears like in south carolina there was that big swing. we will see what it is like tonight in georgia. but democrats have to be, you know, satisfied with how much they are moving the needle but ultimately not putting people on the board.

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