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been able to keep a surprisingly low profile in the trump russia investigations and the obstruction of justice investigation into the presiden president, now one of them relates to one of the key allegations against the president concerning his possible obstruction of justice an allegation that resulted in hours of closed door classified session testimony before the senate intelligence committee. we're also told this allegation has caused bob mueller, the special counsel to schedule closed door interviews with multiple top intelligence officials. the allegation in question here was first reported by "the washington post." they report that on march 22nd, president trump reportedly wrapped up a meeting at the white house and at the end of the meeting he asked two top intelligence officials to stay behind. two top intelligence officials who he appointed to their jobs. the director of national
intelligence dan coats and cia director mime pompeo. "washington post" reports the president then asked the director of national intelligence dan coats if he if he could get the fbi to stop its russia-related investigation into mike flynn. that's what is reported by "the washington post." did that ask from the president actually happen? well, what's the evidence? the director of national intelligence dan coats said he wouldn't talk about it or answer it in open session in congress, but investigators do have someways to try to figure it out. first of all, they can have the intelligence director dan coats back to testify not in the open but in a closed door classified session to see if he would talk about this matter then. director of national intelligence dan coats reportedly did spend three hours in closed session with the senate intelligence committee last week.
there is also, though, the possibility of other people. they say dan coats told several other people at the time about the president asking him to intervene with the fbi to stop the flynn investigation. we don't know who those other people are that dan coats talked to at the time but presumably the investigating committees in congress and special counsel bob mueller are in a position to ask dan coats who those people are and get the names from dan coats and those people presumably could be interviewed, as well. but in addition to that, there is also another witness who is not a mystery at all. we know who it is. at least according to the washington post report. the witness who saw this all happen is mike pompao standing in the room when the president allegedly made this ask of dan coats that coats should try to stop the fbi's investigation.
so ask the question, right? director did you hear the president ask you. did the president ask you if you could do that director pompeo did the director ask you about intervening in the fbi investigation? actually, i should tell you that last one, the senate judiciary committee did ask mike pompeo about that in writing last month. we reported last week that he blew them off. he blew the deadline for responding to the written question from congress. he just never sent a reply. well now tonight, we have this new reporting from "the new york times" about the other red hot controversy at the center of this scandal where mike pompeo has a central and as yet unexplained role. it's about trump national security advisor mike flynn.
it was very soon into the new administration, less than a week after the inauguration when the acting attorney general sally yates came up to the white house personally to give the white house a very serious warning about their national security advisor mike flynn. yates said the justice department was aware that flynn was lying about his contacts with the russian government. she told them flynn had already been interviewed by the fbi in congestion with the matters. she told them the justice department had serious concerns that flynn walking with serving national security advisor was vulnerable to blackmail by the russian government. we know now, of course, that after that warning, the trump white house did nothing for a long time. they kept mike flynn in place as national security advisor for another 18 days. but now there is this tonight from "the new york times." despite concerns about blackmail, flynn was still privy
to cia secrets. the paper tonight gives this timeline, quote, cia director mike pompeo was sworn in three days before sally yates went to the white house. by that time, cia officials had attended meetings with fbi agents about mike flynn and reviewed the transcripts of his conversations with the russian ambassador. intelligence officials knew a sally yates later told congress they were looking at quote a compromise situation. a situation where the national security advisor essentially could be blackmailed by the russians. at the fbi, at the justice department, at the office of the director of national intelligence and yes, at the cia career officials agreed that mike flynn represented an urgent problem. yet, nearly every day for three weeks the new cia director went to the oval office and briefed president trump on the nation's
most sensitive intelligence with mike flynn sitting right there listening in. the white house went on including mike flynn in the top secret presidents' daily briefs for 18 days after the white house was warned about flynn after cia officials according to the new york times had granular specific information about mike flynn being compromised with russia and him being vulnerable to blackmail. him being vulnerable to coercion by the foreign power. under those circumstances, why did mike pompeo still give mike flynn access to the most secret information in the u.s. government? for nearly three weeks. and honestly, is there something magic about being cia director that precludes people from asking you these questions? is there something magical about being cia director that precludes you from having to answer the questions about the
stuff he appears to be right in the middle of? joining us now is jeremy bash served as chief of staff to the cia director and chief of staff to the secretary of defense. mr. bash, thank you very much for being here. thank you for being on the show, so late at night in particular. >> good evening, rachel. >> the times is reporting mike pompeo was briefing mike flynn with the president even though the cia, cia officers have reviewed those transcripts, they were in on the granular information about flynn that led to the serious concerns about flynn. just top line what is your initial reaction to this news? >> a couple things, rachel. first of all, they aren't cia secrets being briefed to the president. they are intelligence community secrets that include information from agencies, not just cia but nsa and national gio intelligence agency. it's the job of the director of national intelligence and the briefer there in the presidents'
daily brief to provide this information for the president. mike pompeo the cia director was attending several briefings. i don't know if it was daily but often so we need to be careful. not like he walks in and tells the president here are all the cia secrets. i think your overall point is sound, rachel, which is that if he and the career professionals at the cia's counter intelligence center in congestion with the conversations with the fbi had concerns about the trustworthiness of mike flynn, somebody in the room, they would have talked to the president about it and the ordinary course the cia director or somebody else would have gone to the president and said we got this issue about mike flynn. it turns out that as of january 26th, we know the president was informed by the white house counsel because sally yates had gone to him. it was in my view a duty of the president to allow mike flynn
not just to be in the intelligence briefings but be involved in any national security conversation if we thought if the united states government thought he could be blackmailed during the 18 days. >> on the point of pompeo's responsibility and i've become increasingly interested in the role in the various investigations and sort of refusal to answer questions about the investigations because he does pop up in the middle of the object of intense focus right now. what the times is reporting is that cia officers had reviewed the actual transcripts of the conversations between mike flynn and russian government officials, that they were in on basically information that led the justice department to give this dramatic warning to the white house. if that's true, if that reporting is accurate and there were people at the cia who were in on that information, if their career officials at the cia shared concerns, it is possible mike pompeo was insighted and didn't know that? >> unlikely. what is more likely he was
briefed about it and what we don't know, i think, the missing piece of the puzzle is whether he or anybody else in the intelligence community went to the president and said there is a problem with your national security advisor. that will be interesting and important to learn. that's something mike pompeo could have brought forward or admiral rogers, the head of the nsa could have brought forward because any transcripts if they were signals of intelligence would have been provided by -- provided to the national security agency. those are important questions. i want to return for a moment to your earlier point about this conversation in the oval office where dan coats, the director of national intelligence and cia director pompeo were asked by the president to intervene in the fbi investigation. that's not really something the cia director would do or have authority to do. he may have been a witness to the conversation but bob mueller will be interested in talking to
dan coats because dan coats does have authority over the matters and could have if he chose to exercised some tactics to try to shut down the investigation. and we don't know yet whether or not he did any of those things because he hasn't answered the questions from the senate intelligence committee. >> briefly, if director pompeo was a witness to the request by the president to dan coats, is there anything about him being cia director that would preclude him from answering questions as a witness? >> no, and i suspect he'll get asked about that eventually. >> former chief of staff to cia director and to the secretary of defense, somebody very experienced in these matters. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. we got much more to come on the special late night show. i see it's totally normal. i'm totally capable of doing my job at this hour. everything is fine. much more to come. stay with us.
in the year 2000, march 2nd nearly 100 federal agents fanned out in the predawn hours and made arrests of 11 people. some of them r high profile people in a bad way. the day after, a prosecutor that would become attorney general unsealed the indictment in that case that had led to all those arrests and that led to an excellent day of new york tabloid headlines like this one. boys and good fellas, in $40 million stock swindle saves, that was "the new york post" headline.
in terms of national attention, it certainly did not hurt that literally the night before all the arrests, the night before all those federal agents fanned out and arrested the alleged mobsters in this case, the night before the arrest, the tv show law and order aired an episode about the exact thing that was alleged in that indictment on march 1st, i kid you not, la and order aired skpmg turns out the mafia was about it and in real life, the very next day there were these arrests of mafia figures for a wall street fraud scheme and the day after that, the indictment got unsealed and spelled it out like a law and order plot. it spelled out the details about
this $40 million fraud scheme by the russian and italian mob and the kind of fraud this was, a pump and dump scheme, which i'm happy to tell you has nothing to do with breastfeeding. these guys would pump up the value of a worthless stock, they would pump it up by fraudulent means and hyping it to elderly investors and otherwise vulnerable people by kicking back money to brokers who were able to fraudulently convince people to buy this worthless junk. the idea is to pump up interest in the bad stocks and when enough false demand was generated for the worthless stocks and enough people buying this worthless junk it's price started to go up, then the conartist, the mobsters would sell their shares of that worthless thing.
and the thing was inherently worthless. once they stopped artificially pumping up its value, they already have cashed out but all the poor shmucks they conned into buying it would be left with something worthless. mobsters make off with the money, all the old gullible people get screwed. that's the kind of financial fraud that is hard to commit alone if you think about it, right? one person can rarely do enough con artist touting. you need people working on this in concert. it has to be an organized crime and it did become organized crime activity. the guys arrested and named in the indictment in 2000 included the brother-in-law of sammy the bull from the crime family and another guy from the crime family and other guys from the columbo crime family. it was explicit how the figures were directly involved in the
stock fraud part of it and also would quote avail themselves of the muscle offered when it came to settling disputes that arousal in the course of this crime. it was a very mobbed up enterprise but not just the italian mob. remember "the new york post" headline was good fellas. they mean it wasn't just the italian mob. this scam according to the feds and according to the arrest sheet was a joint operation between the italian mob and the russian mob. and the russian mobsters according to prosecutors, they came in handy for this pump and dump scheme in particular because they were the ones who had great access to offshore bank accounts. and they were the ones who had great money laundering skills and so they were the ones who had to be involved in this thing
to launder all the profits. borscht boys and good fellas. one of these so-called borscht boys was felix satter who had done prison time. he had broken a margarita class. he smashed the glass and took the stem of the glass and jammed it into a guy's face. the guy needed 110 stitches to hold his face together after felix got done with him. so felix sater did a year in prison for that assault but it was interesting when he and others got picked up in the mob stock scheme years later in 2000, this $40 million fraud with all those named mobsters, it's interesting, felix sater didn't go to prison for that. he pled guilty but they didn't
sentence him in conjunction with that $40 million stock fraud. think didn't sentence him with it after they got his guilty plea, they didn't sentence him for more than a decade. at the end of the decade, he didn't get jail time but paid a fine. there is all sorts of interesting reports about what he did during that decade and why the government waited a decade to sentence him and why at the end of it they didn't put him in prison even though they got a guilty plea for a mob related $40 million swindle. i mean, there was a bunch of -- there have been a bunch of interesting stories about what happened in that decade. there was the story about him knowing about stinger missiles that were for sale on the black market in russia. stinger missiles, the shoulder fired missiles that can take down a helicopter and airport, the ones that the u.s. famously covertly supplied to fight the russians in afghanistan. he supposedly told u.s. authorities about a bunch of stinger missiles being for sale on the black market and help
u.s. authorities buy those missiles off the black market so they wouldn't get bought by terrorists instead. all this reporting how that is part of what he was up to when loretta lynch was confirmed as attorney general, she was asked about that mysterious mob stock swindle pump and dump case from her time as u.s. attorney in the eastern district of new york and the lead prosecutor in the office that led that case. she explained in the written responses to the questions that she got about it when she was up to be confirmed as attorney general while prosecutors did hold off sentencing felix sater for more than a decade after he plead guilty, it was for good reason. she plead over the course of that decade, he became a very valuable informant to them that gave prosecutors quote information crucial to the conviction of over 20 individuals including those individuals responsible for
committing massive financial fraud and members of the mafia. now, this has been a matter of some controversy. all the different parts of it have been controversial through court. the initial pump and dump scheme, the initial boys and good fellas fraud, that was a $40 million fraud and there were real victims of that fraud. this isn't like, you know, some insurance company doesn't make the dividend because they had to pay. this is like real human beings lost their life savings because of this. real people were defrauded. and a guy convicted of felony charges gets off with no prison time for it in a tiny fine? which one might surmise as a small proportion of the amount of money he made off that crime. and he gets no punishment at all for more than a decade while he stayed free after pleading guilty?
that's obviously controversial. there is tons of litigation about that. there is also the matter that the prosecutors kept so much so secret about this case for so long. that was the point of controversy when loretta lynch moved up from the prosecutor's office to become attorney general and litigation about the secrecy about this case, as well. but now this story that has been intriguing from the very beginning, right? this story that's been an interesting wall street story, an interesting new york story, an interesting mob informant story, an interesting russia money laundering story, an interesting law enforcement story now has been already intriguing and lots of levels but now it's about to become a big national politics story because in that decade between the mob guys getting arrested, the indictment, in that decade between those guys getting picked up because of that fraud case, in that decade between those arrests, and felix sater pleading guilty to charges in the scheme, in that decade between him pleading guilty and him finally a decade later getting sentenced, in that
decade, where he wasn't getting sentenced because the government was using him as an informant, keeping him in the wild, in that decade that they kept him out there free not in prison informing on the mob, the other thing he was doing was real estate deals with donald trump. at least three of them. it would be a tower in phoenix that never got built. a tower in fort lauderdale, florida that got built and went into poor closure and trump soho. the trump soho complex in new york city got built but went into foreclosure at one point. and whether or not you read anything or followed anything about this part of the trump
story, the trump business story before, it's about to become a bigger and much more familiar story. number one, today senator on the intelligence committee announced he's giving up a hold he placed on the trump administration's nominee. he says he's giving up the hold because the financial crimes unit at the treasury finally agreed to hand over on the trump russia case. they agreed to hand over the financial records they have at treasury which may be relevant to the trump russia investigation. ron widen today telling us he got briefed this morning by the department on documents getting transmitted from treasury over to the senate. senator telling us quote, i believe these documents will be sufficient to start following the money. by which he means quote, financial connections between trump associates in russia and trump's own business dealings with russian interests. and reporting on those developments today and ron widen dropping the hold and saying
he's getting the documents, abc news tonight sites -- excuse me, sources familiar with the investigation in reporting this, quote, one of several areas of interest for the investigators has been the pool of investors who helped finance construction of the trump soho building in new york city. several names associated with the financing effort have alleged ties to money laundering or russian organized crime. so that's the first reason this is about to become a big story because the senate is yanking on this thread of the story and according to senator ron widen, they are finally getting documents that will allow them to follow that up. that's one. second reason, this is is about to become a big story is because a federal racketeering lawsuit, a rico lawsuit against felix sater's company in which he partnered with donald trump, that rico lawsuit has been
allowed to go forward now and the former employee who has brought that rico lawsuit against felix sater and his former company, that rico lawsuit, the guy that brought that lawsuit is now telling a reporter named tim o'bryan that when felix sater and his company put together the financing for the trump projects including the trump soho they had a very specific explanation internally why they had to take some financing and turn some other foreign financing down. quote, the ex employee said in an interview that a competitor of the fl group also contacted him to invest when he took that offer to felix satyr and the chairman of his firm said they had to take fl's funds for deals
they were doing with trump because that investment firm was quote closer to putin. why did you have to take the money closer to putin? tim o'bryan from bloomberg news is just reporting that tonight. we got an exclusive first look at the reporting. he will be joining us in just a moment. but if his reporting proves out and between the racketeering lawsuit going ahead and the senate investigation and the financial documents as of today and the investigation robert mueller is leading as special counsel whose staff i should tell you includes the former fraud chief at the justice department who was involved in the prosecution of felix satyr for that pump and dump mob stock scheme all those years ago, if this new reporting from tim o'bryan proves out about russian money pouring into trump properties and coming from sources close to putin through people known for their mob and money laundering ties, if that reporting proves out, we're left
with the question of why that happened. why was money connected to putin pouring into trump prok jeblts? why did they do that? and if it did happen, is it likely now all these years later that that sort of thing is going to get somebody in trouble? reporter tim o'bryan from bloomberg joins us in just a moment. we got more ahead. stay with us. it only takes a second for an everyday item to become dangerous. new tide pods child guard pack. helps keep your laundry pacs safe and your child safer. align, press and unzip.
art of being the donald for which donald trump sued him and lost. tim o'bryan's scoop at bloomberg on the financing behind some of trump's most high profile business projects and how they may dove tail with the trump russia investigation. that posts tomorrow at bloomberg view. tim o'bryan, great to have you with us. >> great to be here. >> let me ask you about the central claim. you connect a lot of dots and put a lot of history together. there is a claim from an ex employee of this company called bay rock which partnered with the trump organization. he's suing bay rock and he says when he worked at bay rock, they discussed how the funding was coming from people close to putin. >> right, right. >> how credible is that allegation, particularly given he's a disgruntled employee? >> purely an. he had no connection to the bank
that loaned the money to the group itself. however, the banks that came in were -- and the funding that came in was mirky, putin or not and it came in through felix sater. he was the guy corralling this money for the president and as we know, he took his children to russia to do deals and the extent to the mueller investigation is morphing into something from than obstruction of justice and he begins to follow the money trail, it would be interesting if some of this ends upcoming back into an examination of trump and his
relationship with felix sater. >> the report, there has been previous reporting that's been very interesting in terms of satyr's criminal history this very interesting and intriguing story in which he pled guilty and wasn't sentenced until a decade later. obviously, the president is never going to be in trouble for having associates. that itself is not a crime and if every politician were indictable for that, there would be no politicians. the question here is whether or not there is money that went from russian sources to president trump that had implications other than business implications. >> and whether or not these associates who were sitting in his office developed relationships with him back then that in the president's current role could present a national security problem regardless of whether or not there is a crime. felix sater didn't disappear from the trump universe as a new york times reported earlier this year, he surfaced as one of the
people trying to push a ukraine peace proposal to the white house. so why someone who the president has said for years that he didn't know didn't know very well ends up with the president's own personal attorney pushing a peace plan and clearly still in the order of the white house is an open and interesting question. >> also, famously felix sater had a business card as a trump organization senior advisor after they shut down. >> that's correct. >> they closed that portion of the business relationship but personally was still involved with the trump organization, had an office there and business card there and job title there so there's been some continuing -- >> after trump was questioned under oath in our litigation about whether or not he was
concerned about felix sater's mob ties at the end of 2007 and yet, three years after that, sater continues as a consultant to the company and a decade later still in contact with the president's personal attorney. >> in terms of the question again about whether this is not just association but related to the current stuff, am i right one of the people bob mueller brought on is somebody that prosecuted sater. >> he was part of team that went after that whole crew that was doing pump and dump scheming, so yes. >> tim o'bryan at bloomberg view. the story will post early tomorrow morning. thank you. >> thank you, rachel. good to be here. >> thank you. we'll be right back. stay with us.
there have been four congressional elections to replace republicans to work for the new trump administration. the first held in kansas in a district trump won by 27 points and ron only won by seven points. so that was basically a 20-point swing toward the democrats in that kansas race and a similar dynamic in montana in november trump won by 21 points but in last month's special election, the congressional seat that's for the whole state there, the republican candidate won by six points, a 15-point swing toward the democrats. interestingly, same dynamic tonight in south carolina. in november, trump won that district in south carolina by 18 points. tonight, the republican
candidate ralph norman won by only won by three. so that's another 15-point swing toward the democrats. so interesting pattern there. swings towards the democrats of 20 points, 15 points, 15 points again. but patterns, of course, were made to be broken and the exception came tonight in georgia six. fascinating. in november, in 2016, trump won georgia six by about a point and a half basically two points. tonight with all the of the vote in, it appears karen handle the republican won that race by four points, which means the democrats not only didn't get a swing but the reverse of that and lost ground. a 2-point set back from the november result for democrats. and this, of course, happening in the race they most counted on to win. i think it's safe to say one thing nobody expected is that tonight's result in south
the most expensive congressional race in u.s. history is over and the democrats lost in georgia's sixth district tonight and thought that was their best shot flipping a seat from red to blue in the special elections. in addition to the prospects in that district, the democrats talked about georgia as a state
that's a big part of the democratic party's future. clinton only lost the state by five points in november. democrats have said they see g georgia as a place they can win but they didn't win tonight in general what went wrong in georgia? joining us is stacy abrarms, candidate for governor no 2018. if she wins not only the first candidate of georgia in 15 years but the first african american of any state in u.s. history. representative abrarms, nice to have you with us tonight. thanks for being here. >> thank you very having me. >> do you have a sense of what would happen tonight? >> i thought john had a strong chance of winning by a 20-point margin to other come in 2016. and what you hear behind me is
the energy and indictment that normally doesn't follow defeat because we're not commence rating, we're strategizing. that's an extraordinary win in a district 75% white. >> when people start trying to extrapolate from this results tonight, one of the stumbling points for democrats trying to feel as good about it as you are describing there is going to be money. it's hard to imagine any candidate anywhere being able to generate more money by any means than john did. he just was an absolute barn burner when it came to fundraising. why wasn't the amount of money and national support he was able to generate enough to put him over the top? >> because this is one of the most jerry bandered districts in fact nation and even though john
did an extraordinary job, what we have to understand is that money actually proved the point we believe is true in georgia. if we invest in field, we can close a gap. to win a statewide election we need to close a five-point gap. he demonstrated with investment it can be done. he had a long road and short time to get it done but he demonstrates it can be done and it will be done. >> when you say that the democrats need to invest in fields, does that mean that's the road map to what you hope will be your victory in the governor's race next year? is that your plan? >> absolutely. we have to built a coalition of voters, african american, latino. we have voters in georgia who will vote if we ask and what john did is knock on doors and turn out voters we haven't seen vote in decades. i intend to do the same thing. i have to close a 200,000 vote gap and i have a 52-48% white to people of color community but we
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7:04 p.m., robert mueller confirmed he had been named to be special counsel in the trump russia investigation. that was confirmed 7:04 p.m. 34 minutes later, 7:38 p.m. that same night his law firm he left to become special counsel confirmed that muller was already staffing up for the trump russia investigation. among the people he was taking with him from his old law firm, was this man. his name is james quarrels. fund fact, james started out as an assistant special prosecutor in the watergate investigation. that was the first one we learned about. then we learned about andrew wiseman going to work with bob muller. the last gig was running the fraud section of the criminal division of the justice department but as we've previously talked about on the show, andrew is a veteran of
more than 25 mob prosecutions including really high profile ones. he managed to get a long time mobster to testify against john gotti. he got the same guy to come out of witness protection to testify against vinnie. he was involved in the prosecution of one-time trump business partner felix sater for a mob connected fraud scheme to which felix sater pled guilty. so after quarrels and then wiseman, we then learned about another muller hire, michael was hired out of the justice department. when hired, the former general of the united states told "the washington post" that he is quote the most brilliant and most knowledgeable federal criminal lawyer in america, period. bob muller added an experienced justice department trial attorney named lisa paige wired magazine had an interesting
profile of her that included her experience with money laundering and organized crime cases including investigations where she partnered with an fbi task force based in hungry which focused on eastern european organized crime. so just to recap the team here, the watergate special prosecutor and expert at flipping mob witnesses and expert in money laundering cases whose partnered extensively with an fbi task force that focuses on eastern european mob issues and a man described as the most april -- brilliant criminal lawyer in america. now today, according to the national law journal who nabbed this scoop today, today we learned about another eye catching lawyer added to mueller's staff. her name is is elizabeth preloegar.
elizabeth prelogear. she comes from the solicitor general's office and there is important clerk ships on her resume. she's accomplished and well-regarded but can i point out one thing? she appears to be fluent in russian. from the national law journal today quote as an emery college under graduate, she majored in english and russian after graduating, she was a scholar in russia when she was first year at harvard law in 2006 she won a scholarship to study russian media and censorship. so if you think about the team here, watergate, mob, money laundering, criminal law, flew fluent in russian. any sense on what mueller is working on? watch this space.
that does it for us. we'll see you tomorrow. that would be the most expensive house race in u.s. history in well good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york. day 152 of the trump administration, and as of tonight the republican party has reclaimed all of the congressional seats that were vacant as a result of members of congress leaving those seats to go serve in the trump cabinet.