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capitol police. the kentucky senator wrote this bill with little outside help from other republicans. here are a few of the highlights from the bill. first, big cuts to medicaid, the cuts increase after ten years. secondly, those tax credits that subsidize premiums, the senate bill pegs them to income. the house bill pegged them to a person's age. third, the bill eliminates obamacare's taxes on the wealthy. some of those taxes on insurers as well, fourth pre-existing condition coverage will stay. the plan, like the house bill ends the individual mandate. finally, the cost-sharing reductions that offset the cost of things like deductibles. those are only funded through 2019. reaction from democrats, reaction from republicans has been swift. here is just a sample. >> i'm pleased we were able to arrive at a draft that incorporates input from so many
different members. >> please don't call this an open and fair process. you want to rush it through, admit the consequences. if they like this bill, they'd have brass bands down every main street in america talking about it. >> this is not the best possible bill, it's the best bill possible under very difficult circumstances. >> it is going to change and i think the debate that will happen over the next 48 hours is what's in it, what's not in it. >> obamacare care is a disaster, it's dead, totally dead. we're putting in a plan today that's going to be negotiated. would love to have some democ t democratic support, but they're obstructionists, they'll never give support, we won't get one no matter how good it is. we'll hopefully get something with heart. >> kasie hunt is on capitol hill trying to wrangle lawmakers to get them to talk about this thing. kelly o'donnell is at the white house where some news just broke
a few minutes ago. president trump taking to social media confirming what a lot of folks suspected, that he did not make, nor does he have any tapes with james comey. what else, if anything, has the white house said about this? have they said why the president might have tried to lead folks the way that he did? >> reporter: the white house has said nothing. this is the president putting out his own story. we'll have a briefing with sarah sanders, the deputy press secretary at the white house. the president foreshadowed it himself saying the answer would come soon, very soon, and suggested that people would be, quote, disappointed by the outcome which you could interpret in a number of different ways. disappointed he held up the possibility of tapes and there are none, or disappointed that he had not made a recording where he could refute, if it's
true to refute, the statements given under oath by james comey, the former fbi director. the president in the course of two tweets. with all the recently reported electronic surveillance, intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, i have no idea of whether there are, quote, tapes or recordings of my conversations with james comey, but i did not make and do not have any such recordings. so here the president still leaves open the possibility that someone recorded his conversations with james comey. seems like an added piece in this tweet denial that sort of stands out as sort of an unusual way to say that he, himself, did not make recordings. this is sort of fitting with the voice of president donald trump still says the things that in his mind, he makes the point about unmasking, makes the point about illegal leaks. those have been stones in his shoes since he came into office.
frustrated, even angry perhaps about those instances where he believes the government sourcing of people saying things about his administration, unmasking that he has alleged, which is when there is a revealing of a name in a classified document, when there is an intercept of conversations with a foreign person. so bottom line, no comey tapes. that leaves james comey's sworn testimony as the only thing we have on the record. we've got the president in several interviews taking issue with some of the things james comey said, but there will be no tale of the tape. >> second bottom line, it would seem as if the president confirming that he was, in fact, bluffing. kasie, turning back to health care here, i know you've been trying to wrangle republicans. we saw senator rand paul commenting on the record. what did he say, what are other lawmakers on the hill saying about this plan? >> craig, the tricky part today seems to be getting them to say
much of anything at all. senator rand paul had more to say than most of the people i tried to talk to. what he said was this does not seem like obamacare repeal at all. he also said there's going to be a joint statement coming out from him and a couple of other lawmakers. we're not sure exactly who. an educated guess would be other conservatives who have had criticism for this general approach, people that might include senators ted cruz, mike lee, the conservatives we've been watching to see whether or not they're going to come out in opposition. look for a little news on that front this afternoon, based on my conversation with the senator. it should be coming out in a few minutes. that's on the one side. the other side you have more moderate senators like lisa murkowski. she said when garrett hick caught up with her, after the bill had been released, she had yet to see it. we had seen it before she had. she did not sound pleased. we're still waiting to get reaction from her and her
colleague susan collins about the provision in there to defund planned parenthood. that's something they said might be a serious sticking point for them. the broad reality here, craig, is that there is some truth to what senator schumer said about unwillingness to trumpet what has been a major campaign promise. it has been very difficult today to get republicans to talk about this. now, mitch mcconnell has been, of course, selling it. he was on the floor saying, look, obamacare is collapsing. we absolute li have to do something. this is a bill that can potentially get all our members on board, we're very excited about it. i have had some trouble otherwise trying to corral people willing to say this is something they're very excited about. senator pat roberts told me it's the best possible bill under difficult circumstances. i think that's really where things are. they want to get this off the decks, they want to stop talking about health care, stop doing other priorities. they want to fix the problem. these individual markets are
starting to experience even more trouble, especially combined with the uncertainty being created here in washington about the future of those obamacare exchanges. but it's going to be a difficult week, it looks like, for this health care bill. we do know they're willing to make more changes, potentially more revisions to try to get to those 50 votes. it's also possible mcconnell will put this on the floor without having 50 votes to pass it. that would be a pretty interesting and unusual event on the senate floor were it to happen. craig? >> kasie, let's talk about the poll numbers that just came out the last hour. new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll numbers. this is on the house bill, very similar to the senate bill. let's go through them really quickly. this is 16% think that the house bill was a good idea, seven points worse than just a month ago. 34% of republicans say the bill is a good idea, 17% say bad
idea. this is not a bill, neither the house bill, very similar to the senate bill, it doesn't seem as if a lot of folks like the bill. what kind of public pressure are members of congress facing now? what kind of pressure are they likely to face in the next few weeks? >> i think the next few days a very intense pressure, craig. i think frank thorpe, my producer colleague here on the hill caught up with lindsey graham off camera who said, hey, i've got to go back to south carolina and talk to my constituents about it. these poll numbers are showing what it is he's outlining there. the fact the house bill got so unpopular, there's a belief among republicans in the senate that's partly due to the process. there was so much opposition. they failed once to get it through. they had to try again. the secretive process on the senate side was designed to try to avoid all that. i think the question is going to be does this pressure that
they're seeing from democrats, the optics of the secret process combined with the actual contents of the bill make it so that over the next couple of days, these republicans essentially come under so much pressure that everything falls apart. i think by monday when we expect a cbo score, at least early in the week, potentially monday, maybe later into tuesday, whatever pressure they face at home this weekend plus that score is going to give us a pretty good sense by early next week whether or not this thing has any kind of future. >> kasie hunt on the hill. kelly o'donnell for us at the white house with some breaking news. evette fontenot helped i'm plett obamacare. she did it as deputy director of the office of health under president obama. she currently works for lobbyist avenue solutions. steve brill is a journalist, msnbc analyst. he also wrote the book "america's bitter pill." evette, let me start with you.
the headline here as you understand it regarding the senate bill? >> the headline is it's a popular bill because it's a bad bill. it will force people to pay much more for their premiums out-of-pocket. it hits the lowest income people through the medicaid cuts and it's a huge tax break for higher income people. people are realizing the content and opposing it. >> steve, one of the things that seems striking to me is, it would seem to me this is a fundamental reshaping of one of this country's oefdeldest and largest safety nets, medicare. we're talking a dramatic transformation -- >> it's the largest safety net. medicaid takes care of some 73 million people, that's more than medicare, more than any safety net program you can think of by a lot. the idea that in nevada for
example where 600,000 of 2.9 million people are on medicaid, the idea that senator heller who is up for re-election would support this thing, i think it's unthinkable. i don't know why they think they're going to get his support or, if he supports it, why he would do that. >> also have senator flynn who is also up for re-election. >> west virginia has an even bigger share of people on medicaid. >> evette, ' yvette, we've seen of insurers either leave marketplaces or boost rates dramatically. the kaiser family foundation says 44 counties representing more than 31,000 enrollees are
at risk of having no insurance next year. there's this from "the new york times." the insure medica offer plans statewide in iowa but seeking rate increases of 43%. it would cover the gap left by aetna and the state blue cross plan. why is obamacare having problems like this? >> kasie alluded to this. the amount of uncertainty around this repeal conversation and that's been coming out of the administration in terms of payments they may or may not make to insurance companies has created a very uncertain situation. when you're in the insurance business, uncertainty is something you have to price for. i think we're seeing the ramifications of that. i would also say for seven years democrats in leadership,
president obama and otherwise have been saying we need to improve the bill. they're willing to come to the table and work on it. it was an overhaul of the health care system and technical changes always have to be made to a bill that big. they've been saying for years let's come together and improve on it. all we've heard back is repeal for seven years. now we're seeing problems created because of that. >> well, if you want to fix obamacare, and the problem they say they've identified is that premiums are going up -- >> premiums were going up before obamacare. >> going up consistently before. if that's the problem you're trying to solve, you don't do that by taking all health insurance away from the poor or by lowering the subsidies that people get in obamacare because that's going to raise their costs. in return, what you're doing is you're getting an $800 billion tax cut for the rich.
that has nothing to do with obamacare. if you wanted to fix the cost of health care, there would be something in this bill about controlling the cost of prescription drugs, as an example. >> i started sifting these things, 142 pages. it haven't had time to go through the whole thing. there's a section where they talk about repealing certain taxes, the tanning tax, health insurance tax. the net investment tax -- i don't know if you've seen it yet, either of that. this is section 23 -- excuse me -- section 119, line 23. it talks about the internal revenue code of 1986 amended, blah, blah, blah. the amendment made should apply to taxable years after december 31st, 2016. this is a het tomorrretroactive gains tax. >> that's right. that's what they're doing. the only repeal they're doing are the taxes on the rich. that's the only thing they're doing.
>> i think the repeal of that is worth about $180 billion over ten years. the cuts to medicaid, according to the congressional budget office in the house bill are almost a trillion dollars over ten years. >> to be clear, the section i just read, that would essentially be folks who have invested money, generated money from these investments, dividends and whatnot, they would be getting money back from the government? >> correct. they already made the money. the rationale is, if we lower the tax, more people would invest which is not true anyway. here it's ridiculous. they've made the investments, they've gotten the profits. now the government is going to write them a check because they don't like barack obama. >> a letter to senator o'connell and schumer, they said cutting medicare coverage would only worsen the opioid crisis.
politico obtained this e-mail from tenet health care, a letter they sent to their employees. tenet runs a chain of hospitals. the e-mail said in part, quote, we are asking all tenet colleagues to support the grassroots campaign by calling your u.s. senators to oppose any legislation that would result in millions of people losing health care coverage. we know insurers help -- in the 1990s, they helped pass obamacare. how much sway will insurers have this time around? >> i think there are any number of stakeholders who are out opposing this bill. when 23 million people lose coverage and you take a trillion dollars out of the health care system, that's not going to be good for any stakeholder. i think anyone is going to try to make their voice heard. you referenced the opponents out in front of senator mcconnell's office now, those are mostly the disabled population. that's because nearly half of the benefits made by medicaid go to the aged, blind and disabled. most of that is for long-term care services, mostly nursing
home payments which as we know are not particularly covered in the commercial market or even by medicare. so this is the truth of the safety nets for these low income and middle class disabled people which is why they're up on the hill right now. >> steve, how do you think this debate plays out? >> i think if you see more zmon registrations like that -- i just saw the clip of that. i was wondering why senator schumer wasn't there with them, instead of being there on the floor making a speech. this is a really big deal. this is the people -- these are the people who need the safety net the most, and it's being taken away from them, and it's written almost exactly the way that paul ryan wrote his plan in 2011. it's the same plan. it's the same thing, except now he's got a president who doesn't understand it and is letting him do it. >> we'll leave it there. steve brill, yvette, thanks to you. we'll talk about it more this hour. thanks to both of you.
pressure on pelospelosi. the long-time house democratic leader holding a press conference with medical providers on the senate republican plan to repeal obamacare, that's happening right now. this as members of her own party calling for her ouster following big losses in four straight house races. should she be confident she's got the support to stay house democratic leader? >> -- if you had a pre-existing condition, no longer would you be discriminated in your access to health care. it said if you were a student or worker you could stay on your parent's policy until 26 years old. i say these things because it's important to know what we are losing when we go down the path they are putting forth. ♪ me to the moon
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they were working for. this bill has one flashing neon sign after another, telling us who the republican party tells about, and it is not american families. the senate bim is crammed full with just as many tax cuts as the house bill, tax cuts for millionaires and billionaire, tax cuts for wealthy investments, tax cuts for giant companies. all those tax cuts don't come cheap. they start to add up after awhile. so senate republicans had to make a choice, how to pay for all those juicy tax cuts for their rich buddies. i tell you how, blood money. senate republicans rung extra dollars out of kicking people out of tax credits that helped them avenue ford health insurance. reaped in extra cash by allowing states to drop more protection and benefits like maternity
care, prescriptions. then they got to the real piggy bank, medicaid. here they went wild. republicans went after medicaid with keeper cuts than the house version. medicaid expansion, gone. ripped up and flushed down the toilet and the rest of the medicaid program, well, for senate republicans it wasn't enough that the house bill was going to toss grandparents out of nursing homes or slash funding for people with disabilities or pull the plug on health care for babies born too soon. no, senate republicans wanted to go bigger. the republican bill claims to protect kids with disabilities by leaving them out of the calculations that decide how big the medicaid cuts will be in each state. i don't know if the republicans were expecting a round of applause for pitting kids with breathing tubes against vulnerable seniors or someone
needing treatment for addiction. i do no this so-called exemption won't do a thing to help these kids. the republican cuts still slash hundreds of billions of dollars from medicaid, leaving states with no choice, no choice but to cut services that kids will disabilities desperately need. medicaid provides health insurance to one in five americans, 30 million kids, nearly two out of every three people in a nursing home. these cuts are blood money. people will die. let's be very clear. senate republicans are paying for tax cuts for the wealthy with american lives. think about what would happen here if the republican bill becomes law next week. picture a woman in her 80s, she
lives at home, is shecky on her feet. she needs help preparing her meals or taking her bath, but her only income is her social security check. right now medicaid helps pay for home and community based services so she can stay in her home. someone who comes by to help for a few hours a week, and because of that help, she gets to stay home, to live independently. but the republicans are determined to -- >> we have been listening to massachusetts senator elizabeth warren talking specifically about the medicare cuts in this bill. the bill becoming public roughly two hours ago. response since then has been fast. it has been furious. we saw the protests outside senator mitch mcconnell's office. a number of folks arrested, some literally carried away. again, senator warren on the floor with an impassioned
speech. anne guerin from "the washington post," jonathan swan, action yous political reporter, jake sherman, senior politico editor and elise jordan, former adviser to senator rand paul's campaign, also an msnbc political analyst. let's start with health care and we'll talk about other news of the day here. as we listen to senator warren there on the floor, jake sherman, this would seem to be a preview of what we're going to see and hear play out over the next week or so as this bill is debated publicly. if you were a betting man, would you bet this bill gets a vote before july 4th? that's my first bet question. my second, if you were a betting man would you bet this bill or a bill like it gets passed out of the senate? >> i'm not a betting man, as you
know. >> i didn't know actually. >> i'm kidding. it's illegal. number one, i would say that's the beginning of elizabeth warren's presidential campaign, it certainly sounds like. that's a pretty sharp speech about health care. number two, listen, the one thing, if i were mitch mcconnell that i would be worried about is members of congress saying i'm going to go home and talk to my constituents about this and see how they react. that is a dangerous game the play. every member of house and senate republican leadership i talked to, they always like the fewest number of days between the release and the vote of any piece of legislation for obvious reasons. the more it sits out, the more it gets whacked around. this is tough because they can only lose a handful of votes in the senate. you are really balancing the concerns of the more mainstream moderate republicans, the lisa murkowskis and folks like rand paul who, if our reporting is
correct, is likely going to come out in opposition to this bill. this is going to be a tough squeeze. if i were a betting man -- i'm not, craig -- i would say this bill needs to be changed in a meaningful way to squeeze it through the chamber. i don't ever count ot mitch mcconnell. >> senator rand paul from kentucky, elise's former boss had this exchange with kasie hunt last hour. take a look. take a listen. >> senator, your reaction to the health care bill, are you going to vote for this bill? >> we're going to have a statement in about an hour, and my concern at this point from what i've been able to see so far is it looks like we're keeping obamacare, not repealing it. >> so are you a no then? >> we'll have a statement in about an hour? >> is that going to be with you and others, you think that will be enough to kill this bill? >> we'll see in a an hour. >> that was roughly about an hour ago. elise, have you heard from your former boss? >> it's my educated opinion that
he'll oppose the bill. he's going to be joined by opposition that will be enough to kill the bill. >> why would senator mcconnell not have gone to a rand paul or mike lee, some of the other conservative senators before putting this out to guarantee this support. >> i think it's his kalt laos he needs to draw in the more moderate republicans. i think that's a mistake. certainly things like senator rand paul and i expect someone like senator mike lee will probably join him in opposing this. i don't see them moving easily towards anything that is not a full obamacare repeal. >> if this bill dies, what's next? >> i think it's going to be more squabbling and back to the drawing board. will mitch mcconnell actually call a vote if he doesn't have the votes? that's the question i'm watching. >> why would he? >> why would he lose, exactly. maybe this vote isn't going to happen next week if there's too
much opposition. >> that's one of the big stories coming out of d.c. today. the other big story involves house minority leader nancy pelosi, a lot of folks there on the hill, folks within her own party, blaming her for jon ossoff's loss in georgia earlier this week because millions of dollars were spent on ads tieing him to pelosi, ads like this. >> you think nancy pelosi is more toxic than donald trump? >> you know what, the honest answer is, in some areas of the country, yes, she is. >> nancy pelosi was a great speaker. she is a great leader, but her time has come and gone. >> that wasn't the ad. we'll get to the ad in just a moment. jonathan, nancy pelosi, is it just a question now of when, not if? >> there's obviously been a new impetus for these conversations to spark up again.
a lot of these people you're hearing quoted, people who have already come out against her. in some cases they were people who supported her. we saw some analysis of the advertising in the ossoff race this morning. i think it was more than 70% of the advertisements were linked to nancy pelosi. the fact she's still such a potent force in gopdverti there's time for generational change a really useful set of data points to take public. >> here is the ad we were just talking about. this is one of the many, many ads featuring nancy pelosi. >> therus pelosi's friends are bank rolling ossoff's campaign. >> put american $20 trillion in debt and jon ossoff is on her side. >> anne, what is it about pelosi
that makes her such an effective villain for the right? >> well, one thing clearly is that she's from california, san francisco specifically. others she's a self described andetic liberal. the third is the subtle sexism that goes with having a woman leader that really does make some people uncomfortable. she has said that. she's sai interesting things this morning in response to the base question of are you too toxic to the party, are you going more harm than good. she said i'm worth the trouble, which i found very, very interesting. i think that is a challenge that puts it right back on the democratic party to say, all right, do we want to stick with the old leadership which has clearly a number of advantages
including incredible fund-raising prowess or is it time for a change. >> jake, we know after the losses in november. there are a number of folks, they had their knives out. they were calling for her head back then. she managed to survive. how difficult would it be to unseat nancy pelosi this time around? >> they need to something in tim ryan of ohio who raised his hand last time is not the answer, according to many democrats. >> when you're in the minority, you need half your caucus to vote -- one more than half to vote against the leader and unseat her. a few observations from my conversations this morning with democrats. people mentioned the fund-raising angle. if you remember, when john boehner stepped down, people wondered if republicans would ever be able to raise money again. paul ryan has shattered every previous record that john boehner had. so i think democrats are going to have to first find somebody
that can beat her, and then they're going to have to wait until 2018. they are not taking her out now. nancy pelosi has a stronghold of support among older and longer serving democratic members and some of the new young members. nancy pelosi is a very skilled leader, has the pulse of her caucus. there is no question, the volume is very loud on people who want to get rid of her, and people are starting to wonder whether her good fund-raising skills are enough to keep her in when she is politically toxic, and a lot of places they need to win to get back the majority. >> elise, let's talk about the tapes for a moment. you might remember the president of the united states tweeted a s.ile back, quote, james comey then the president just a few minutes ago hit us with two more tweets. with all the recently reported electronic surveillance intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, i have no idea whether there are tapes or recordings of my
conversations with james comey, but i did not make and do not have any such recordings. earlier in the broadcast, i said bluff. i said the president was bluffing. i may have been perhaps too fair. it would seem as if the president may have been lying all along about the existence of these tapes. >> no, he's just wasting -- he wasted the country's collective time speculating over whether these tapes existed or not. it ooh eggs a sad day when you cannot depend on the president's word. my advice would be to republicans who do koes see up to him. it's like hugging a suicide bomber. he blows you up in the process with him. >> that's a little strong. >> this is not -- look at what -- if you go out on the limb -- if you're a republican who went out on a limb and defended donald trump over saying he's got tapes that will back up his point of view, you got blown up, too. >> garrett, how much of this latest revelation is about the tapes and how much is about president trump's trustworthiness? >> well, i think it's actually
pretty revealing of the limits of donald trump's former life skills now that's's dealing with politics and government officials. whose bluff got called? the congressional investigators said put up or shut up. they sent a note to the white house saying, if there are tapes, send them our way. to the extent trump was using the threat of the potential of tapes as an intimidation tactic of comey, he wasn't thinking that all the way through, because the minute he even raised the possibility, it became a potential legal or congressional investigation matter. >> by the way, you alluded to this, but the deadline, tomorrow, for the house intel committee. that was the deadline they had to turn over these tapes if they existed, which would probably explain why we saw the tweets 30 minutes ago. a big thanks to our panel, anne,
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democrats assessing their party's failure in tuesday's special election, trying to chart a course going forward. some are pointing the finger at leader nancy pelosi. they believe it's time she step aside. >> nancy pelosi was a great speaker, she is a great leader, but her time has come and gone. yes, she's a great fund-raiser, but if the money we're raising through her leadership is not helping us win elections, then we have to have this difficult conversation now. >> let's bring in california congressman democrat eric swalwell, co-chair of the party's steering and policy committee. congressman swalwell, always good to see you. thanks for being with me. >> thanks for having me back. >> you were appointed to that
committee by congresswoman pelosi, what's your reaction from what you just heard by congresswoman rice? >> it's time for all of us to step up. no one needs to step aside. step up and fight for the health care of the people we represent, for job opportunities and for dreams that parents have for their kids. that's what we need to do right now and not be distracted by anything else. >> so you fully support leader pelosi? >> yes, and i support the job they ahead. losing sucks, craig. i wanted to win that sweet, going by losing it to 23 points in november, to losing it by three points now, doesn't get us closer to the majority. it shows us the battlefield is expanding and the 71 seats across the country that are more competitive, those are in play. i'm energized more than ever. i hate to lose. >> wong man tim ryan, as you
know, a while back tried unsuccessfully to unseat nancy pelosi. he said this this morning. take a listen. >> well, we don't have a strong economic message. when i was growing up and you'd ask my grandfather or grandmother, why are we democrats? it was the democrats are for working class people, and we've lost that message. >> what say you to that, there's also a messaging problem as well. >> i grew up in a similar household. i think our message is under every roof in america are the dreams every family has for their kids and job and health care, and we're for you. we need to do a better job of communicating that. we're standing up for those policies. we need to make sure it connects with more people. we should learn from georgia, there's no question we should all talk about what we can do better. >> as you know, in georgia and
other special elections as well. some of the most successful ads for republicans have been ads that feature nancy pelosi. if we know that she is such a lightning rod, why not give someone else an opportunity? one could argue it's worked out reasonably well for republicans, their fund-raising hasn't suffered at all? >> they don't go after you if you're ineffective, craig. i learned when i was -- >> congressman, with all due respect, how can you make the argument that she's been effective. you haven't won a single special election. november, as you know, didn't go your way. how can you make the argument that nancy pelosi is an effective minority leader? >> every special election, those seats we lost by 20 points or more and we brought them down to single digits.
i'm an example of a new leader, 36-year-old that earned a seat at the table recently. when we did the omnibus bill, the spending and budget package a month and a half ago, donald trump wanted to build a wall, defund planned parenthood, defund the state department, get rid of the epa. when i looked at the budget that nancy pelosi negotiated, i looked around the table and said are we being punked? we were able to leverage the energy our supporters have across the country and the majority of the republicans in the house voted against their own budget. imagine that. they have the house, the white house and the senate, they voted against their own bill. that's the skill we have with nancy poleelosi. >> we've just seen the senate version of the gop health care bill. again, i know it's only been out
for a few hours. i assume you've had an opportunity to look at at least a summary of it. your initial reaction. >> we have to suit up right now, craig and not sulk over that loss in georgia because people who are going to lose their health care based on this senate plan are counting on us. if donald trump thought that the house bill was mean, it's probably mean, and this bill is no better. we have work ahead of us. >> congressman eric swalwell of california, always appreciate you, thank you. >> my measure. still ahead, lots of questions about the gop's new plan to replace obamacare. we'll hash through what it means for you and your access to medical providers. that's right after this. life lie ♪ top speed fifty knots life ♪ on the caribbean seas ♪ it's a champagne and models potpourri ♪ on my yacht made of cuban mahogany ♪ gany, gany, gany
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repeatedly about that tweet about the no recordings, at least that he had, here are the answers, number one, no oval office recordings alt all, no regrets about that original tapes tweet, and no games being played by waiting 41 days to talk about it according to the deputy press secretary who was out here for about 20 minutes answering questions from reporters. i want you to hear a piece of the exchange from 20 minutes ago. >> why it took so long and if the president is recording any oval office conversation. >> you asked for an answer, he gave you one, he said he would have it to you by the end of this week and he did. beyond that i can't speak to timing any further. >> think about everything that happened in the 41 days since the original tweet. as peter alexander tweeted out,
james comey shared publicly his memo with a friend to share with a news outlet after that tweet. all of that from that single tweet that the president is now saying there are no tapes that he has possession of, if you will. we're told that sarah sanders got a heads up that tweet would be sent, but the lawyer here at the white house also vetted that tweet. let me talk about the second headline, it is a big deal coming out of the senate today. as we talk about the briefing within there was no commitment to the senate bill. sarah huck bbee sanders said no negotiation is happening. the president may get more involved from his administration
and team that may get involved in potentially making tweaks when it comes to medicaid. when he stood in the rosegarden and celebrated the passage of the health bill. so i think there is still a real question of what happens when health care moving forward. they will provide technical assistance with senator mitch mcconnell and others crafting this bill. also on the idea that this is a rushed process because of what we heard from so many other republicans. they have had seven years to digest what is in the bill. you're hearing from democrats a very different story. how it is crafted, how it is voted on, but also the policy behind it. >> let's listen to that bit. >> is the president confident
that he will have something assigned for the timeline in the coming weeks. >> we're looking for the best bill possible and we will continue to be part of technical assistance and providing that with house and senate members as we work to get the best bill that we can. >> the senate bill by analysis so far cuts medicaid, it doesn't look like it will cut deductibles for folks. does that have enough heart? is that a bill that is not mean? >> i have not had that conversation, but he said early it was a negotiation. we will get the best bill that we can and that will be the one that he signs. >> that is exactly what i read between those lines as well. halle jackson again for us from
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