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look at the moderate democrats. they were saying that and he poisoned the wealth and made it hard for democrats. >> a lot of questions all around. >> bill crystal, it is megan murphy and jason johnson, that does it for us. hi chuck. >> you know what i hope? >> i hope that there is no taping of this conversation. >> i love you chuck. >> again, you better hope there is no tapes. >> if it is thursday, the weight is over on the senate trump's care plan. tonight the now republican healthcare prescription and doubts within the gop. >> i think it looks a lot like obamacare actually. >> can anything cure questions within the party of the gop bill. >> i think it could take longer than a week. >> senate erraor rand paul and .
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>> you want me to sing my prayers. >> the my decisions of how long i stay is not up to them. >> congress tim brian a long time challenger of pelosi why he continues to believe it is time for her to go. >> and president trump admits he does not have comey's tapes. what other big reveals that he promised but did not reveal it. >> this is mtp, starts right now. good evening and welcome to mtp daily and welcome to a lesson when i am calling shocked in all legislating. all eyes are on the republicans today. >> it turns out dramatically similar to the healthcare bill
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with a few minor tweets. it cuts deep cuts to medicaid and cuts healthcare subsidies for middle-income americans. the bill unveiled today and a vote can come by the end of next week and you could argument and it might already be on life support if you believe or listen to the actual words being said by senators and not watching their actions. despite some strong arms from mcconnell, his members are not falling online yet. he can only afford to lose two republican votes. four conservative members, senator ted cruz and rand paul of kentucky and johnson pulled their support for now, they're critically wounding the efforts of their party's leadership. >> this current draft does not get the job done. but i believe we can get the yes. >> in the end, it is going to require bipartisan support to
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take a look at the root cause of the healthcare system. >> we are keeping the subsidies and boosting for stabilization and it looks a lot like obamacare. >> i am going to talk to senator paul in just a moment. this is a bill that was concocted and appears to me to get through the house and that does not mean it can get through the senate. remember the house bill was not that popular inside many senate republican congress when it passed. we have poll numbers out this hour and shows how unpopular the house bill remains even in the republican party. only 16% of people think the healthcare bill is a good idea. 48% say it is a bad idea. when asked in congress, responses are split, 38% for yes and 39% for no.
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16% of the overall public say the legislation is not a good idea and 34% republicans feel that way. that number doubles the number of republicans who think it is a bad idea. a lot of undecided republicans. among trump voters, 36% calling it a good idea and not a high number but it is a lot more percentage of the base who say it is a bad idea. that's the silver lining of the gop even if the base does not like x's and o's, it seems they still like to play to win. that could explain why the bill made pass anyway. president trump's firing james comey both of a topic of the president's tweet storm today, including one answered whether tapes of comey exists. we'll get to that later in the show. let megge get right to susan collins from maine, nice to talk
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to you. >> we heard criticisms from the right of the conservative wing of your party and you heard rand paul and he believes too much subsidies in here and looks too much like obamacare, i look at this bill and it looks a lot different than you and senator bill cassidy was proposing. it is a bill that allow states if you like obamacare, you can keep it. where are you on this bill because it does not like if you like obamacare, you can keep it. >> no, agree with it that it does not get that description and i believe that bill cassidy and i introduced was a pass forward. that's what we really need.
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and the effect of coverage and the cost of premiums and the i am impact of the medicaid changes. i do have concerns of the area o f medicaid and i am worried about what the i mpact will be n people who are vulnerable and have healthcare needs. >> so that means are you talking about those folks who are in that just above the poverty line but not right now of this bill would not get a subsidy under obamacare would have gotten depending on the state would have gotten some coverage. depending on the state is the keyword. this bill would faze out the expansion of medicaid to cover that very vulnerable low income population. now the good news is in the senate bill is that population will for the first time, the
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eligible for subsidies for insurance making below $12,000 a year and right now in a state that did not expand medicaid they get no help what so ever. that's a good provision of an improvement over the current law and the house bill. there are deep medicate cuts down the road and i am really concerned about what the impact of those cuts will be on the individuals who recovered as well as rural hospitals and healthcare providers. >> this bill, the house version of this bill and if you want to say differently, go ahead. it seems they are more similar than different of the senate and the house bill. what we learned is their big concerns was while they said yes, this would lower premiums that the cause of healthcare would go up, the individual cost
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of people so premiums would go down, your out of pocket cost would likely increase. how does this bill address that in the senate? >> my announcement of out of pocket cut would increase out of the senate bill as well. that's my major concern. under the house bill as you know for that vulnerable group between the age of 50 and 64, living in northern maine and with an income of only $26,400. there would be as much as an 800% increase in premiums as well as higher deductibles and copays. we cannot have that happen, we are still waiting for the analysis from cbo to see what the impact will be. do keep in mind that the senate
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bill does suggest which the house bill did not. >> you laid out on argument of why you are not in favor of this bill. how much or what is the personal level of like well, i don't like this bill but i will support it. what is that line for you as a republican and as mitch mcconnell says to you, don't be the only vote or last vote to kill this. we know you don't like half of it. is it the planned parenthood amendme amendment, what's your line in the sand? >> i cannot support a bill that's going to greatly increase premiums for older americans or out of pocket cost for those who are quite old enough for medicare yet. i cannot support a bill that's going to resolve in tens of millions of people losing their health insurance and i cannot support a bill that is going to make such deep cuts and medicaid
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that's going to ship billions of dollars of cuts to our state governments to those who have insurance and to healthcare providers such as rural hospitals which would be faced with a great deal of compensated care. it is in any one factor, i do care also about funding planned parenthood but it is also of those factors put together that'll influence my decision. >> can you imagine enough amendments passing that it would fulfill those pledges that you just made? >> it is going to be an open amendment process and i am sure many of us are going to have amendments. in addition, i want to see the cbo announcement. i don't know the exact impact yet. >> all right, senator collins, i will leave it there, as always, great thoughts on this issue. thank you, chuck. let me bring in tonight's
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panelis panelists, and our national reporter from bloomberg news. we'll talk to rand paul and you will hear criticisms from the moderate party and criticisms from the conservative wing. matthew, let me start with you as editor chief and editorial page director, where are you on this bill? >> on this bill? >> it is what it is. if republicans put themselves in this position and they need to repeal obamacare in order to free of space and budget for the tax cuts. historically republicans are terrible on healthcare. but, they're just uncomfortable talking about it. and so to start your policy crisis of the one issue which did not have much discuss
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cushions. the problem we saw in the house and we are seeing again in the senate where the two ends of caucus are fighting against the middle. the bill passed the house and i would not be surprised the senator and senate worked things out as well. >> jennifer, of a proverse way of looking at it. i swear to god that i have done the same story where you have ben nelson on one end and bernie sanders on the other end squeezing the middle here a little bit. >> yeah, it does and they all and take everyone and all four of them, they all sound like people who'll eventually, looking for deals. they're a little transparent about it. and i think it is really destru destructi destructi destructive. i think it is going to do a lot of damage and they're going to walk into an august recess and
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you know what that's going to look like and they're going to get distorted. it is hurting a lot of people. look at the capitol today of disabled people in wheelchairs are being arrested. that would do a lot of damage and how they reconcile this literally and politically and actually pass something, i find it difficult to imagine people do. >> the guy one thing, i mean, you know he's basically saying -- he's criticizing for announcing this bill. here is what matthew says. >> yeah, he was not wrong. he's trying to protect this and as bad as this looks, you have no idea how bad this would be. >> mitch mcconnell, he does not do anything by accidents. this means to me that he calculated that would be less politically damaging of the light of day. 16% of the public, people like
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the idea of repealing obamacare and the abstract because obamacare was effectively opposed by the republicans at the time. republicans struggle to do it, as you point it out of the goals of healthcare, should it be reducing coverage or the size of government. this is the chaos. >> the discussions today would be far different had karen handel lost. >> the moral support that victory gave to mitch mcconnell and the administration and the republicans who want to deliver on their promise of appealing of obamacare cannot be under estimated. that's one more reason why these types of deals we are talking about is struck. >> i wonder how he will launch it. >> i had a few republicans say that, mcconnell is saying i am givering y giving you guys a week.
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>> if it cannot be passed, i am out. and i just don't know and how is this going to end? i don't see how he -- >> i don't know, i can picture mcconnell. lets say rob portman, too. it feels that mcconnell did not want to say the same thing here. just get me the reconciliation and get it out of the senate for now. we'll deal with that later. i ha >> i think he wants to get this done, this is something he campaigned on for seven years and consistently, they won the house while campaigning on this. i don't think he sees much on
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the agenda. if he did somehow secretly not want this to pass, i don't think he will centralize the process the way he did. he will push it out to the committee. >> i think he's deciding that this is the best way to get it done. he wants finale on this issue and does not let it hang. >> jennifer, i am not going to presume that democrat senators are going to call you or not call you for advise. there is going to be a vote panorama here. >> democrats can help make that happen. >> uh-huh. >> what do democrats do next week during the vote? >> the most important for democrat senators is doing whatever they can from passing. >> even if it looks -- >> it is not because it is operating in larger principles that's truly dangerous and it is actually going to hurt people. i think that they should do in a
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clear. because that means -- talking about russia again next week, you should do whatever you can do that's going to prevent and that's going to provoke the president to be helpful in starting this bill. the democratic obstruction may -- for all republicans to say, maybe this is the best we can do and this is probably what we need to lay a benchmark and go ahead. there is no way mcconnell will allow voters. there is going to be a deal or not a deal beforehand. he's going to decide what amounts or whatever. >> the amendment tree. >> filling the tree and all this horrible legislative mambo and jumbo. >> you cannot fill the tree on
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reconciliation bill. >> republicans can vote them all down. they have to meet a target. next, a first look at 2018. what's with him?
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street journal polls. the president's approval rating is not great. 40% approve and disapprove 55%. >> that number does not budge despite of the russia situation. >> 90% of democrats disapproved. now, lets look at the generic ballot. >> 42% say they want republicans to control congress after the 2018 midterm. folks, it is early and thanks to the way our districts are drawn. democrats may need a bigger margins if they want the take back the house. 8 points is not enough. once they get to ten then maybe you are talking and the house is in play. lastly is russia. 53% says yes, russia did
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interfere with our election. >> 65% seemed to be following the president's lead. they say russia did not medaldl in the election. >> more "mtp daily" right after this. ♪ on my yacht made of cuban mahogany ♪ gany, gany, gany ♪ watch this
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bills on three key requirements? >> i think the bill is similar. they do a good job of cutting obamacare taxes. if you keep obamacare spending and stretch it out, you are going to have spending without the revenue to pay for it so that makes the debt worse. in the current republican bill as it stands, they repeal out of regulations. you have to have pregnancy coverage and dental and vision and all that. if you tell people you can wait until you are sick to buy insurance, that's what happens. you get the rising prices. i don't think we fixed that except republicans say we are going to fix it by dumping a
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bunch of taxpayers' money. it is like $110 billion new federal program to give money to insurance companies that makes $15 billion a year. i think it is a crazy idea. we got to get a long way towards repeal and market reform to get me on board but i think we are willing to negotiate is what the message we are sending today. >> okay, it is an interesting way you ended there. >> i have to say what you just said about the subsidies and the tax credits and however you want to describe it. you are right. it is government money and it looks like in order to pay for insurance and it goes in the insurance company. it is an interesting description and i don't think many people would disagree. how are you able, it seems as if, how are you able to negotiate that much differently from what this bill looks like that it would get you on board. >> it does not sound like they could get rid of those subsidies or they're going to lose too
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many senatorsenators. >> that's the jockey that's happening right now. we cannot support the bill as written. we are going to try to tug it in our direction and we'll see will it be adequate for all of us to rush for? >> will it come at all in our direction? we don't know either. >> i know you don't want to show your cards in this case, to get to yes, it sounds like something you have to -- well, i don't like this part or that part, i am willing to take one for the team. that promise is a false promise if we don't get rid of the
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regulations. we are repealing two out of twelve. we can repeal more, that maybe helpful. the other thing is that -- >> all twelve do not have to be met to get your vote but more than two is what you are saying. >> the current bill has two and i am for twelve. there could be a compromise some where between that. we start with our positions but our positions had no leverage if it is me by myself or ted cruz or ron johnson. we are going to have to decide are people willing to tug the bill in a direction more towards the marketplace, less regulations and also subsidies in the sense that we cannot subsidize something through borrowed money. this year congress will borrow $500 billion to meet traditional expenditures and medicaid before obamacare, we did not have enough money. >> what bill is not going to have some subsidies here. what bill is going to create a
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depth of problem. hon honestly do you think it is going to make it get close to make the fiscal side of things. so we cannot have a straight face. you are calling a repeal bill. i think the obama subsidies and the republican subsidies are going to be virtually identical and there is a chance republican subsidies are more generous of obamacare subsidies which would be alarming for repeal. when you look at it. the actual spending of year by year, we are estimating of the first couple of years, this bill may spend more than obamacare because they are promising of the savings and the out lining years and this is a traditional
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tri trickery of washington. when you are 9 and 10, you change the bill. >> i will gladly pay that hamburger, sir. >> exactly. i know i have not looked yet but i got a bunch of tweets going, ask the senator why he wants to get rid of ky connect. >> it has been running better than most exchanges. >> in our state most people got medicaid about 450,000 people that got medicaid that did not have insurance. yes, they have access to healthcare. if we are honest about it, that may not be so bad. honesty would be we paid for it. under obamacare, we just said the federal government will pay for it. it has nothing more than a printing press. we have $22 billion. >> it raised taxes to pay for this. >> the federal government really runs on a deficit.
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those taxes were designed to pay for this. >> what i would say is that medicaid in order to be paid for if you really want to expand it, let the states pay for it. why do we do the trick of the federal government should pay for it. one we just borrow it. if kentucky had to pay for it, if we had to double the state income tax and the sales tax, you will get some push back. that's the balance we need. people need to see the payment and the benefits and making a clear cut judgment, do you want to pay more taxes or something. most things in washington are borrowing. you can match it up anyway we can, we are spending more than it comes in for all of our programs. >> senator ran pae erranor rand
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welcome back, following this week's defeat in georgia. handful of house democrats debegdbegan to publicly waiver.
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>> as long as nancy pelosi is the leader of the republican party, it is going to be difficult to win the house seat in 2018. >> across the board of the democratic party, we need a new leadership. it is time for a new leadership. nancy pelosi is a great speaker and a great leader. her time as come and gone. >> about a dozen democratic members met privately this afternoon to discuss a potential change in leadership. pelosi was defiant though this morning at a weekly news conference and he praised her own tenure. >> i am proud of the energy we have had and my leadership in terms of keeping everybody together. you want me to sing my praises, is that what you are saying? i am a master legislature, i am a strategic politically estute leader. >> the top democrats has had a
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remarkable -- they lost a net of 40 house seats since taken over a decade ago. average age is 77. joining me now is tim ryan, of course, he publicly challenged nancy pelosi for the role of nancy pelosi. >> thanks for coming on. >> thanks chuck. >> i know you have been talking to a lot of people today. you just got out of this meeting. cedric richmond is in that meeting. he said something interesting. well, i think what we need is just an internal family conversation and i think we need to have that. it was reminded, did that happen in november, no, i am not sure that happened. do you believe your challenge which was i think designed to start this conversation actually
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did not work when it comes to starting that conversation? >> well in some sense it did not work. some reforms and most of them internal with vice chairs and communication teams and all of that we have internally in our caucus. it is june now and we don't have a cohesive message that's penetrating in these districts and the only way to win is a strong economic message. i think that we came up short because we did not have that full conversation that's mind boggling to me that it is june and some of our leaders are saying we need an economic message and we have been saying that for a while now. >> well, where is yours? >> i think we need to get these jobs that cannot be out sourced and needs to be the main thrust
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of the democratic party do things that like getting broad band in every corner of the country and redo our energy grid and creating a smart grid that's more secure and safe and a lot smarter. these are jobs that we have to dig up in the ground to make sure that we get these things implemented and those jobs cannot be out sourced, chuck, those are two main things that'll get people back to work. when louyou look at things of bd band, you will get a one point 2% of gdp. they're going to change the trajectory of the economy. clearly at the national levels, it is not penetrating. >> there is a lot of questioning as to why that is. i think i heard joe crowley of the russia investigation made it harder for you guys to come up with an economic message. do you want to focus on russia or the future and the two are sort of competing with each
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other. what do you make of that? >> well, there is some truth to that, the reality of it is we cannot just talk about how much we dislike donald trump or we cannot talk about russia because people back in ohio are not talking that much about russia or putin or michael flynn, they're trying to figure out how they're going to make the mortgage payment and how they're going to pay for their kids to college. if we don't talk more of their interest of what we do is we are angry for donald trump. we got a house committee if investigation and mueller is doing his investigation and let that play out and lets come hard at the american people, look, this democratic party is going to do the things that trump says he's doing to go, he has not done a lick of that and he be
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pray betrayed voters. we are not going to win these races. >> let me go back to the nancy pelosi, senator richmond was asked in this idea of should there be a change or not. he's in that place -- he suggested that maybe democrats should fight back and fix her perception problem with the public and he said the following, it will cost money but we have run away from the entire issue. at some point we need to talk about nancy and what she's done. if she comes to you and says lets do this economic message, hey, we need to fix my own personal politics to help democrats overall, are you for that? >> look, i got a lot of respect for nancy pelosi and she's been unfairly tarnished in so many
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different ways. but, i am not so sure it is a good idea for us to spend, it would have to take hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to compete or if not a billion dollars over the last ten years spent demonizing her. that's a huge endeavor for us to under take. we need to focus on the people who are running. we have good candidates who ran on a couple of races and we need to get candidates who are able to support them or support them early. i don't know if it is a good idea to undo something. i think the geanie are os are o the bottle. we got to increase our chances to take the house back. you know it is just like an athletic team. you got to make sure you increase your chances. what's the best thing you can do to help us when. right now, our national brand is
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an impediment to so many people. we are in tough districts of two or five points. >> do you think nancy pelosi is perceived as the potential next speaker in the house of october of 2018. that's democrats if they win the house, that's what it is. >> do you think that'll cause democrats of a chance in the house? >> i think it potentially could. donald trump is president and god knows what he will do now until election day and how many republicans are supporting him. they are throwing millions o people out of their healthcare and budgets that's gutting the program and putting money in the pockets of so many marginalized community in the country. it does reduce our chances of doing it and making it happen. >> let me ask you this, other than hand ringing and having these private meetings, what can
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you do about this now? >> really try to put forward of economic message and myself and a couple of other people are talk k about how we do that now and bold message. >> i am talking about the pelosi situation. >> how do you force a vote on a leadership position if you think it needs to be done? >> well, i don't know that's why people are meeting to talk about what's the way forward, is it inevitable that we'll keep leadership or another road that people want to go down. >> i tried to do this in the november, do you want to go in the midterm elections with speaker pelosi as our leader or do you want to make a change in our caucasus, you got to make that determination. >> tim ryan, democrats from ohio. appreciate you coming in. >> thank you chuck. >> just ahead the conclusions of president trump's tale of the tapes.
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nancy pelosi. >> why are you looking at me? >> it's your party, jen. nancy pelosi is not going anywhere, is she? >> no. >> should she? >> that was pretty apparent. let me say i hate about democrats that the first reaction to the loss in georgia is to figure out how do we blunt republican criticism as to what is our good offensive message. i feel like it would be productive to focus on that. it's june of the first year of a presidency. the notion that why don't the democrat s have a good economic message. you wouldn't have a means of communica communicating. there's a lot of people, including tim ryan working on that. the most thing to do is recruit great candidates. the way you do that is by
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keeping donald trump's approval rating le ining low. >> that was the most interesting thing. i've seen two democrats concurring on this russia thing which is like let it stay over here. we don't have to amplify russia. let others amplify russia which also sounds like bob corker and john mccain. >> had there been evidence to the russia story in terms of collusion being implied when the investigation opened a year ago and when the docssier was a talked about. we had a year of the investigation. we don't have con clclusive evidence. >> it's not over. >> of course we don't have the conclusion. >> the crime that doesn't seem
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to have been happened. >> how will you talk about your economic message we're you're talking about russia. your point about it having tactical sense of it continuing lowering the approval rating but you're not going to have an affirmative way to talk about jobs. >> in an election year. >> he took the economic agenda from the democrats. >> there's always a lot more democrats that will tell you the ones that nancy pelosi were go. if there were a secret ballot, she would be in more trouble than he's in. >> the gamble that democrats are taking here is her fund raising ability and the fact she's been very effective in many ways throughout a decade and a half of leader. whether that outweighs the fact that every republican on every
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ticket can campaign against her and proved effective. there's nothing that jon ossoff said that will connect him to nancy pelosi. they ran ads linking him to her and it worked. >> that's the bind that democrats are in. >> focus on what you can control and what your offensive message. not what the republicans are going to make their attacks on you. >> thank you very much. we'll be right back.
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well that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. wait until you see some parts of the poll that tell us we're not in a post-truth world but we're in a post-substance world. greta, take it away. president trump's lie or his effort to deceive. he has no tapes of james comey and his being coy and clever does not mask deception or intimidation. hours ago the president tweeting i do not make and do not have any such recordings. 41 days ago he started it. the president threatening the fired fbi chief tweeting james comey better hope there are no tapes of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press. now that tweet is not a joke but is not a mistake. many maybe even special counsel robert mueller

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