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rectified. that's according to two sources who they say are familiar with the matter. now, time isn't saying what was stolen. they don't say what county this data was stolen in. they say that investigators have not necessarily identified if the hackers were russian. but they do say the data was stolen on the county level. it's unclear how many more instances of this there are given that there are 9,000 different election jurisdictions in this country. but now both "time" magazine and cbs news are reporting that congressional investigators have opened a new line of inquiry here, and they're looking into whether any stolen private information on voters made its way to the trump campaign during last year's presidential election. new stuff every day. watch this space. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for show show with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> hey, rachel, you pay attention to american politics. >> sort of, yeah. >> so tell me what happens when someone runs for president and
wins, saying alone among the candidates in his party, i absolutely will not cut medicaid, won't touch medicaid, not one dollar. nothing's going to happen to medicaid, and then -- and then, rachel, that president says, okay, let's cut it in a bigger way than anyone's ever dreamed of cutting it. what happens to that politician? >> well, what happens to the country first is that everybody gets very, very clear on exactly what medicaid is and what cutting $800 billion out of it would do to this country. everybody gets very familiar with that very fast, and then i think they start remembering out loud what they'd been promise the in terms of its future health. >> and anywhere in that process does someone teach the president what medicaid is? >> what is teach? >> i don't know. i don't know what works now. i don't know. thank you, rachel. >> thank you, lawrence.
well, tonight, we'll be joined by someone who is trying to make history by trying to do the impossible. by running against the speaker of the house, paul ryan, in his re-election campaign next year. the last time a speaker of the house was defeated in his re-election campaign, no one saw it coming. no one predicted it. but for the last 41 days, we all knew this was coming. we all knew that donald trump was going to have to admit that there are no tapes of his white house conversations with james comey. >> the secret is out. >> this is not the best possible -- it's the best bill possible under very difficult circumstances. >> we will hopefully get something done, and it will be something with heart and very meaningful. >> i've had more republican senators run the other way from the cameras than towards us to talk to us about this health care bill. >> four conservative members, senators mike lee of utah, ted
cruz of texas, rand paul of kentucky, and ron johnson of wisconsin, pulled their support for now. >> this current draft doesn't get the job done, but i believe we can get to yes. >> president trump announcing that he did not secretly record conversations with james comey. >> he could certainly be viewed as once again trying to intimidate a witness or obstruct justice. >> it makes comey look stronger. it makes mueller's case easier. >> the president still leaves open the possibility that someone recorded his conversations with james comey. >> the president's now denial is not a complete denial. >> the most enduring belief that pathological liars have is that everyone lies. everyone lies all the time. that's why pathological liars think that they are normal. they think they just talk the way everyone else does. they think lying whenever
convenient to anyone, including their wives, their children, their friends, their co-workers, is what everyone does to get through any moment where the truth feels even slightly awkward. the difference between the pathological liar and the rest of us is that the pathological liar has absolutely zero resistance to telling a lie. zero. to anyone. and pathological liars have zero capacity to see any reason why telling the truth might be preferable even if the truth is in the pathological liar's best interest, that doesn't really increase the chances very much that the pathological liar will tell the truth. that's why it's called pathological lying instead of logical lying. the president of the united states thinks everyone lies. he thinks barack obama's mother lied about where her son was born. the president thinks that someone in the state government in hawaii 55 years ago decided to lie by issuing a birth
certificate to a baby named barack obama, who was not born there. the president believes everyone lies. everyone. the president has proven that there is nothing that he will not lie about. nothing. including the birth of barack obama. he lied about his experience on 9/11. what everyone else in public life regards as a near sacred zone of commentary, what happened on 9/11, what we each did on 9/11, what we each saw on 9/11. who do you know who has lied about that? who do you know who would lie about that? donald trump told two very big lies about 9/11 that everyone knows were lies. he said he saw thousands of muslims celebrating on 9/11 in new jersey. he did not. and he said he personally lost hundreds of friends. >> how did he keep us safe when
the world trade center came down? the world -- excuse me. i lost hundreds of friends. >> he did not lose hundreds of friends on 9/11. he lost none. in fact, he did not attend a single 9/11 funeral. who do you know who would lie about losing friends on 9/11? donald trump did it so cavalierly that it appears he thinks anyone would lie about that if he thought it was a convenient way to, say, win an argument, which is what he was trying to do when he lied about losing hundreds of friends on 9/11 during the republican debate in south carolina. he never told that lie again because he knew it was his worst, most vile public lie that would offend the most people, even people who hate barack obama would be offended if donald trump tried to repeatedly get away with the lie that he lost hundreds of friends on 9/11.
that lie flew by. you just saw it. it flew by at high speed the way trump lies do, and the news media didn't catch it. so he got away with it. donald trump's lifetime of intense personal intimacy with lying has apparently made him believe that he can prevent people from doing to him what he does to them. he apparently believes that he can use his own wizardry about lying to outsmart other liars. and so two days after the president fired james comey, a "new york times" article appeared with an inside account of what happened in some of james comey's private interactions with donald trump, including the president's request that james comey pledge personal loyalty to the president during a one-on-one dinner at the white house. the day after the president read that article, he tweeted, james comey better hope that there are no tapes of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press. the tweet only makes sense to someone who believes that james
comey is going to lie about his conversations with the president. james comey better hope that there are no tapes if he's going to lie about our conversations. james comey doesn't have to hope that there are no tapes if he's going to tell the truth. in fact, when this issue was raised to james comey publicly, he used a divine exclamation to say he hoped there were tapes because he is telling the truth. >> look, i -- i've seen the tweet about tapes. lordy, i hope there are tapes. >> the president put out that tweet 41 days ago about tapes because he thinks everyone lies. he put out that tweet because he thinks james comey would lie about his conversations with the president. it was donald trump's deeply held, twisted view of the world and everyone in it that made him tweet, james comey better hope that there are no tapes because
the president is an utter ignore am us in matters of law and governing. he had no idea that that tweet would provoke legal consequences, would provoke inquiries from the justice department and from congress about the existence of tapes and that those inquiries would have to be answered by the white house. the president had no idea that he couldn't just tweet that and leave it out there. as usual, the president had absolutely no comprehension of consequences. minds like his do not anticipate consequences. he had no capacity to imagine, to envision the consequences of that tweet. and in james comey's viewing of the aftermath of that tweet that the president put out about tapes, the president has himself to thank for the special prosecutor who is now investigating him. >> the president tweeted on friday, after i got fired, that
i better hope there's not tapes. i woke up in the middle of the night on monday night because it didn't dawn on me originally that there might be corroboration for our conversation. there might be a tape. and my judgment was i needed to get that out into the public square. and so i asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with a reporter. i didn't do it myself for a variety of reasons, but i asked him to because i thought that might prompt the appointment of a special counsel. so i asked a close friend of mine to do it. >> today, 41 days after the james comey better hope that there are no tapes tweet, the president tweeted, with all of the recently reported electronic surveillance intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, i have no idea whether there are tapes or recordings of my conversations with james comey, but i did not make and did not have any such recordings. what if he had put out that tweet 41 minutes after the first tweet about tapes instead of 41
days? would there be a special prosecutor today investigating the president? the president was given a deadline of tomorrow to answer the question about tapes of his conversations with james comey. the house intelligence committee gave the president that deadline. the president's tweet today did not eliminate, in his mind anyway, the possibility that there are tapes. he's just saying that he didn't make a recording and doesn't have custody of a recording, so any subpoena of such a recording to him will not produce a recording. why won't the president say clearly that there are no recordings of the conversations? he knows that there are no other recordings of the conversations. he knows that for a fact. but he wants to leave open to his supporters the possibility that the white house is bugged. he wants to leave open the possibility that someone is recording his conversations, someone in the mythical deep state that the president and
newt gingrich and other fantasyists want to pretend is constantly plotting against the president. with all of the recently reported electronic surveillance and intercepts, he says. we should not be surprised if the next time the president is in front of one of his adoring rally audiences, he says something to the effect that, who knows if there are tapes? there could be tapes. they could be trying to record all of my conversations. they're trying to get me. it's a witch hunt. trump, as victim of the evildoers, has become an essential component of his image with his followers. and so he talks to them about the witch hunt that is out to get him. he has told them that president obama wiretapped trump tower. he's never retracted that. and the day may soon come when the president wants to tell them that president obama somehow managed to leave behind enough secret agents in the deep state and around the white house and with access to the white house
who can wiretap the white house and record president trump's conversations during one-on-one dinners in the green room or in the oval office, or anywhere the president goes. air force one, anywhere. and so we may not have heard the end of tapes and president trump. all it takes for this president to tell a lie about tapes is for that lie to feel, in that instant, just slightly more convenient than the truth. joining us now, david cay johnston, pulitzer prize winning journalist. also with us, jill wine-banks, former assistant watergate special prosecutor. jill, i decided i'm going to leave the legal analysis of the president's references to tapes 41 days apart to you. i just wanted to go into what i think is the best psychological
window i can find on what he was up to. but what is your reading of this series of two tweets about the so-called tapes 41 days apart? >> first of all, i loved your analysis, the psychological analysis is very right on target, i'm sure. in terms of the legal, i never believed that there was any kind of recording because if there had been, he would have released it immediately if it supported him. and if it didn't support him, he would have destroyed it. we have to hope that he learned at least one lesson from watergate, which is having the tapes can be devastating. and he's now left us with the only remaining mystery of tapes, which is the 18 1/2-minute gap in the watergate tapes. there's no mystery now. there are no tapes from the comey conversation. >> david cay johnston, as we know and you've studiedsy studi
practices in business. he did from time to time make recordings of the conversations in his business life when people didn't know he was doing that. what's your reading of these two tweets 41 days apart? >> well, a agree with jill. i never thought he had a recording of any kind. what's troubling is exactly the thing you did in your opening, lawrence. instead of just cleanly getting rid of it, he's left open this sort of vague space. and that's very troubling. and donald has a long history of, you know, doubling down on lies. when he was offered by howard stern the opportunity to back off his lie about madonna and kim basinger and carla bruni being his lovers, he doubled down on it in a strange way. donald isn't strategic about anything, but especially about lying. if you're going to lie about something, you want to have the most skeletal story, not any filigree in it. we're going to see donald continue to do this, and it's going to sow confusion. and i'm concerned deeply about how do foreign governments, particularly ones hostile to us,
interpret what he does if they don't understand that he just lies to get across whatever is in his mind at the moment, with no thought to strategy or long-term outcome. >> jill, i just want to go back to one more technical point about the tapes. given what we know about how president nixon's taping system was set up, and there was actually a system that pre-existed president nixon in lyndon johnson's period in office. and many of those tapes have been preserved for history. many of them important historical documents. how would that -- since nixon, presidents have decided wait a minute. this is a bit too risky. so someone would have had to go in there january 20th or shortly thereafter and set up such a system. based on what you know about how that was done in the white house before, how would that be done? >> it was done with actual reel-to-reel tapes in the '70s. i have to believe that there is now technology that allows
digital recording, and you wouldn't have the problems of the tape running out and not switching to a backup machine. there would be a way to do 24-hour recording. the white house system under nixon was a voice-activated, so it required that he be in the office. and if he was in the office and spoke, it recorded. and i don't think they would use the same system now, but maybe they would. >> i want to go to this nbc news reporting today that the director of national intelligence, dan coats, is now saying that president trump is obsessed, as he puts it, with the russia probe. dan coats told house investigators thursday that president trump seemed obsessed with the russia probe and repeatedly asked him to say publicly there was no evidence of collusion, a u.s. official familiar with the conversation told nbc news. and so, david, there we have yet again another sourcing on the
president trying to get dan coats to speak publicly about this investigation. >> yeah, this just adds to the obstruction of justice as a political matter as well as a legal matter. and of course donald is obsessing about this. he knows that there are numerous relationships he's had with the russians. we can put him one step away from vladimir putin in the trump toronto hotel deal. we can put him one step away from middle east arms trafficking in russia through felix seder based on court records. and he knows that there is a great deal out there that's going to come to haunt him. so of course it's weighing on his mind. and leading to his increasingly erratic behavior. you may recall on the show a long time ago, i predicted that over time, donald's behavior would become increasingly erratic. >> you won that prediction, david. we have new video released by fox news of an interview with the president they're going to air tomorrow.
this is the president speaking about special prosecutor robert mueller. let's listen to this. >> he's very, very good friends with comey, which is very bothersome. but he's also -- we're going to have to see. i mean we're going to have to see in terms -- look, there has been no obstruction. there has been no collusion. there has been leaking by comey. but there's been no collusion, no obstruction, and virtually everybody agrees to that. so we'll have to see. i can say that the people that have been hired are all hillary clinton supporters. >> jill, your reaction to that. >> well, virtually everyone does not include me because i do believe that there is obstruction. i don't know about the collusion. we need to let the investigation go forward. everybody that i have heard or read says that mueller is a perfect person to be conducting this. the only other person i know on the team is a former watergate
colleague of mine, jim corals, and i trust him completely. no one that i know has a political motive. they are looking at facts, and facts matter. we have -- going back to something you said earlier about the lying, i learned a word during watergate, which was "confablation," which is something many witnesses do. they know something point a, and they want you to believe point b, so they fill in the gap because they just want to believe it. and they actually convince themselves it's true. so maybe he's convincing himself that these things are true, but there is no factual support for it. that's what it would take to convince me he was telling the truth for once. >> david, before we go, leaning on comey being friends with mueller, that seems to be point one that we'll hear from the president if the day comes that he tries to fire robert mueller. >> well, or if he's impeached
and convicted. i wants to delegitimize the process. anything that questions the wisdom and the smarts and the judgment of donald trump must be delegitimized. and if you do not watch msnbc, you don't read d.c. report, you don't read the major newspapers, if you're following info wars and breitbart and "the new york post," you know, you think that donald trump is being railroaded here by this evil cabal. that may prove to be a very serious problem for us. >> david cay johnston, jill wine-banks, thank you both for joining us tonight. appreciate it. coming up, the man who's trying to do the impossible, the unusual democratic candidate who is now running against paul ryan in wisconsin. he will be the third person in history who beats a speaker of the house in his re-election campaign if he is lucky. first-time candidate will join us. and the president who ran on the promise of preserving medicaid now wants to cut medicaid more
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i'm not going to cut medicare or medicaid. every other republican is going to cut. >> big surprise. he lied. this morning senate republicans finally unveiled the health care bill they've been working on in secret. the bill cuts taxes on the wealthiest americans by almost a trillion dollars while cutting hundreds of billions of dollars from medicaid, the thing the president promised not to cut. it also reduces obamacare subsidies that enable people to afford insurance and allows states to refuse to cover essential health benefit riermts like maternity care and mental health care. it also defunds planned parenthood for at least one year. after the bill was released, disability rights protesters staged a protest outside mitch mcconnell's office on capitol hill to oppose the bill's medicaid cuts. 43 protesters were arrested according to the capitol police, including some in wheelchairs. this afternoon, four senate republicans, rand paul, mike lee, ted cruz and ron johnson, said in a joint statement,
currently for a variety of reasons we are not ready to vote for this bill, but we are open to negotiation. here is what the president said tonight. >> four good guys and they're four friends of mine, and i think they'll probably get there. we'll have to see. you know, health care is a very difficult situation. if you look, the clintons tried to get it, and after years and years, they couldn't do it. obamacare was murder for them to get. and now it's failed. it's virtually out of business. obamacare is a disaster. and we're trying to do something in a very short period of time. >> joining us now, the president of the center for american progress. she worked in the affordable care act in the obama administration. also joining us, the former deputy chief of staff to senator harry reid. he's also the senior strategic adviser at the center for american progress. neri, your analysis of this bill as it's been presented today. >> what's really amazing about this bill is after weeks and weeks of senators saying, don't
worry, republican senators saying, don't worry. this bill will be totally different from the house. it will be much nicer than the house. it will be more generous than the house. it will be a real health care bill. this bill is actually in fundamental ways more cruel, more mean as trump would say, donald trump would say, more mean than the house bill. it actually cuts the medicaid program more deeply. it takes a little time to get there, but it cuts the program more deeply than even the house bill. and just to say what that means, that means the most vulnerable americans -- children, seniors, people with disabilities -- are going to face getting shoved off health care, losing health care. women who are pregnant losing health care in order to pay for a massive tax cut for the wealthy. it is an upside down bill, and i hope republicans of good will will actually reject it because it is so wrong and immoral.
>> adam, with your experience watching legislation move through the senate, being right there on the floor with it, what's your assessment of where this stands right now in terms of republican votes? >> well, as you mentioned, there were four republican senators who came out today and said they were not for it, which puts mcconnell, you know, a few votes away from the votes he needs. he only needs 50 with pence being the deciding vote. but i think the conservatives are playing a game. i think they're very likely to vote yes in the end after getting some token concessions. so i think mcconnell is probably, even with all the dissent there seems to be in the republican caucus right now, i think a lot of that is an act, and i think mcconnell is probably very close to having the votes he needs to pass this thing. >> neera, what we've seen in the house is people staking out positions either to the left or right, as it were, of the paul ryan bill. and then there would be some kind of conversation in which they could claim that paul ryan just moved the bill in their
direction, and so then they get on board a bill that, from my distance, didn't look that different from the one they objected to. >> no, absolutely. in the house, with the most recent passage, it was called the upton amendment. they sort of phonied up a policy proposal that said they were dealing with issues, and then they passed the bill. but here's what i would say about this. this bill is devastating for states that have done the medicaid expansion -- ohio, nevada, west virginia. it's really critical that as we go into this weekend, people explain to their senators in those states how devastating this would be for their states. and i will say republican governors, kasich and sandoval in ohio and nevada respectively are putting real pressure on their republican senators. all we need is three votes.
i agree that a lot of these conservatives will come onboard. that might be a kind of show around this. but that's why we need to keep our eye on the ball of republican senators like shelly more cap ta, like heller, like flake, like portman, like mer cow ski in alaska, senator collins. this bill would devastate their states, and they have a decision to make. are they going to put their party over their state and their country and their constituents? and that's the simple decision they have to make. >> and one thing to underscore the urgency. i think everybody watching the show tonight needs to understand this bill could be law by july 4th. if the senate passes it, the house is quite likely to take the senate bill as it is with no changes and pass it, and it will be on trump's desk in a matter of days. there's no need for a conference committee if one chamber passes the other chamber's bill with no changes. so americans need to understand that this is it. the senate vote could be the
last chance to stop this bill. >> yeah, adam. normally done in the traditional way, if it were to pass the senate, it would only be at the halfway point because it would then have to go into a conference with the house. all of that can be skipped. they can take that senate bill, pass it identical form, which is ultimately the way the affordable care act in its final passage moved through the house. the house hates to do it, but every once in a while, the senate says, look, there's nothing else we can possibly pass. adam, in your experience, the house will then usually take that and run it through? >> that's right. i think they will in this case, and we could be look at trump signing this bill before july 4th. >> go ahead, neera. >> very quickly, that's why this week, the next few days are really important. wednesday, they could really be voting on this bill. so your voice really matters right now. >> neera and adam, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. coming up, the wisconsin ironworker who is challenging
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with comey, which is very bothersome. but he's also -- we're going to have to see. i mean we're going to have to see in terms -- look, there has been no obstruction. there has been no collusion. there has been leaking by comey. but there's been no collusion, no obstruction, and vrtirtually everybody agrees to that. so we'll have to see. i can say that the people that have been hired are all hillary clinton supporters. >> joining the discussion now, charlie sykes, editor in chief. also anna marie cox. she was last night's trump rally. anna marie, last night all donald trump said was witch hunlt hunt. he didn't get into james comey, robert mueller, they're friends. what do you make of tonight's statement? >> i have to say my overall takeaway, man, he seems tired
and really, i might say, low energy. i'm not sure if he has the stamina to be president. i don't know if that's important or not, but it seems like it came up once or twice during the campaign. you know, he can't even complete a sentence about this, right, without saying something about russia or obstruction. i mean i think that's kind of the sign of a guilty person, guilty thinking. guilty thinking perhaps is really what i want to say. we heard, you know, from the closed testimony given by the intel chiefs that he seemed obsessed with russia. and i think it's true. i think that he just circles back to it over and over again. it's the beating heart that he can't get to. and as far as how his fans react, you know, it's very much an alternative universe among that 35% that still approves of him, that still go to the rallies he has. i could go into detail about the kinds of fantasies and conspiracies that were spun out to me by the people that were at that rally. it wouldn't be worth our time, so just trust me when i say like
they believe what he has to say. they believe a lot of things that aren't true. >> charlie sykes, donald trump considers time covers very important. he likes to lie about having been on more of them than anyone else but he's been on a lot. robert mueller has at least his second "time" magazine cover that is coming out in the next issue of "time" magazine. we've just put it up on the screen there. there's robert mueller in a kind of statesmanlike pose with the headline, "the lie detector" on the cover of "time" magazine. the line on the front cover of the magazine suggesting that someone is not telling the truth and that, of course, robert mueller will be the person who figures that out. that's going to be, i would assume, the president's least favorite "time" cover maybe ever. >> well, there will be worse. the problem with president trump is we found out today that he
had this clumsy attempt to bully james comey by lying about the tapes. that didn't work out for him, right? that backfired. now apparently he's absolutely committed to discrediting robert mueller despite his reputation. look, you know, there's two words that come to mind here. one is that he is obsessed with this. the second word is pathological, that he cannot stop himself from lying about this. he cannot stop himself from commenting on it. there's not a single member of the white house staff, maybe steve bannon is an exception or republican in congress who would tell the president, yes, keep talking about this. they want him not to talk about this. his lawyers would tell him not to -- you know, to stop talking about this. but he cannot do it. if he thinks that he can bully himself out of this investigation, i think he's delusional. but maybe he's just simply decided that, you know, the second best option will be to discredit this investigation. and as anna pointed out, he is
successfully keeping his base intact. that alternative reality silo is still immunizing him from being held accountable for this, and his folks are behind him. and right now calling this a witch hunt is red meat for his base. >> anna, we've seen president trump lawyer up three times on this case. first with his longtime lawyer from new york who knows absolutely nothing about practicing law in washington or criminal law at all. and that didn't -- having him on the scene did not tone down the president's inclination to talk about the investigation. then he added one washington lawyer who has no experience in criminal procedure, and that didn't change anything, and that washington lawyer went on tv and tried to tell crazy lies on television himself. and then he added the so-called credible lawyer, mr. dowd, who is a criminal lawyer with real experience handling washington cases. and here he is tonight complaining about the special prosecutor in personal terms, talking about the special prosecutor in personal terms.
and you know that his experienced attorney, dowd, didn't like that. so we can see that there's no controls that any of these lawyers can impose on him. >> yeah. what's the opposite of a saturday night massacre when you just like keep hiring people until you have someone that's going to finally like get you to do what you should be doing. it really is a saturday night massacre in reverse. i think we're going to see a fourth lawyer, a fifth lawyer. who knows? how many lawyers does it take to change a trump, you know? first the trump has to want to change, i believe is how that joke goes, and i don't think he wants to change. there's a reason why banks in new york won't deal with him and why he's infamous among lawyers in new york. he doesn't pay, and he won't do what you ask him to do. so even being the president and being in criminal danger isn't changing that. >> well, maybe he's going to stay with your saturday night massacre son september, maybe he's going to continue hiring lawyer until he finds one to
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joining us now randy bryce be the iron worker, running against paul ryan for that house seat? wisconsin. his first national interview. randy thank you for doing this. we were struck by the campaign announcement video you released with your candidatescy and as soon as we saw it we wanted to play it here. you watched paul ryan win re-election with a 35-point winning marginen and you thought i think i'll run against him. >> why not? why not? i first of all thank you for having me tonight, lawrence. if you want to see something really impossible i have a hard hat you can borrow appear i'll take you do a construction site in downtown milwaukee. we consider the gob l impossible. as a result of the our law firm
it was so successful it's a testament to working people wanting to be heard. they see me as being them that's why i'm doing this. >> what do you think paul ryan is getting wrong in representing his district? because he's got two jobs. he's got the job of being speaker trying to run the party in the house. then he has another job which can be in conflict, to be the representative from that district. >> well, he's -- more one he's not representing anything -- anybody in the district. he's been absent. he hasn't been in the district for over 600 days. but he does have time to appear at 50 fund raisers where you can pay $10,000 to have your picture taken with him. he is not doing anything for the people of the first congressional district. we're upset we're not being heard. whatever he is doing in washington it's taking away things from us where we're working twice as hard and less to show for it. >> judging by the campaign announcement video, the number one seems to be at this point health care. why is that the number one issue
for you? >> it's an intergenerational issue. i have a son who a miracle child. i was told i wouldn't be able to have kirn after being diagnosed with cancer. i have to worry about cancer coming back for me. i have to worry about my son going to play upon a jungle gym where i have to worry about him getting hurt or just letting him be a kid. it affects my mother, who obviously is the star of the video. and not shone in the video is my father who has alzheimer's. and you know my mom's medication -- thankfully she has insurance that gives her the independence to be able to visit my dad on a daily basis. so i consider ourselves lucky because we have insurance. and it shouldn't be a matter of having and have not. it's basic right for everybody that we should be able to go see a doctor, to be healthy to live fulfilling lives. >> what is your biggest disagreement with the -- with president trump? >> with president trump, i -- i
don't trust him. when i was in army i spent time -- during the cold war. and we were trained to defend the country against the soviet union. and you know i look -- i turn on the tv, might have even been your show and i see the top spy for russia in the oval office. -- they're putting party before the people. opinion. and the people have had enough. we deserve honesty and things that don't smell of corruption. >> i think you watched paul ryan closely probably during the presidential campaign and there were many times he tried to distance himself from the president, from presidential candidate donald trump. without ever disowning him always trying to say i don't have to answer for what he says as a candidate. what is your reaction now after paul ryan didn't answer to things that donald trump says as a condition. he now has him as a president and now working together closely. >> well, he was a few weeks ago -- the wisconsin republicans
they had the state convention. and paul ryan was ago thanking everybody there for electing donald trump. he pretty much owns donald trump at this point. there is no distancing himself. he is in charge of setting forth the policies, talking about what's going to be introduced. you know -- and what has he done? there is nothing. donald trump has done nothing dsh did dsh has not kept one promise which sounded good when he was making them. but there is a lot of smoke and there hasn't been any action taken on any of those promises. >> randy, quick break here and we're coming back and squeeze in a little bit more. please stay with us. >> okay. the pain can really be a distraction.
wisconsin to pull them over to a democrat? some have voted for democrats before how did can you pu pull them back. >> look at what's been going on. nobody has been listening to the people of the first congressional district. and i think you know by announcing candidacy, the way it just blue up, people are energized ready to take things back. there is a lot of buyers remorse going on. just the outpouring of support from the workers not just in the first congressional district but throughout the entire country sthoe that other congressional districts need working people to represent them. and this is all about for the working people of america for the first congressional district. and i appreciate all the support. >> well, it's been a democratic district before. that was over about 24 years ago. and so who knows when it's going to swing back. randy bryce gets the last word. thank you for joining us randy appreciate it. >> thank you. a pleasure to be on your show.
>> thank you. the 11th hour" starts now. >> ton an admission 41 days in making. president trump says he has no tapes of his conversations with jim comey. but not everyone thinks this is the end of the story. the bluff that launched a special council, raising more questions tonight. plus senate republicans today unveiled the health care plan and based on early reviews going no where fast. a member of the u.s. senate joins us live in studio to weigh in on the stories and more. the "the 11th hour" begins now. good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york i'm nicole wallace brian has the night off. day 154 of the trump administration and the president 41 days after tweeting that james comey better hope there are no tapes of the conversations says there are no tapes of the conversations. in two t