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hey there, everyone, i'm alex witt here at msnbc world headquarters here in new york where it's just about 2:00 p.m. here on the east coast on this saturday. just five days before senate majority leader mitch mcconnell hopes to hold a vote, a bill all 142 pages long revealed just two days ago. that bill yet to receive a score from the congressional budget office and a bill already opposed by at least five republican senators who have gone on record with it. president trump is now throwing his weight behind the legislation, making personal calls to republican senators and taking to twitter to blast obamacare. and ceo director mike pompeo, what he tells plng about the russia investigation and his interactions with president trump. we're going to start this hour with the battle over health care. dean heller is the latest to
oppose the gop health care proposal, tallying the total number publicly opposed to five and with democrating uniformly opposed to the proposal, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell cannot afford to lose more than two republican colleagues. this morning, the president blasted obamacare, tweeting, democrats slammed gop health care proposal as obamacare premiums and deductibles increase but over 100%. remember, keep your doctor, keep your plan? and in his weekly address, the president pushing support for the gop health care legislation. >> administration will never stop fighting for you and for the health care system that you deserve. we'll get it done even if we don't have any help from the democrats. we'll get it done. >> nbc's vaughn hill yard is joining us from maryland, where senator chris van holland is holding a health care forum. take it away for us. appreciate having you there.
first of all, what are you hearing from the voters about the senate gop plan? >> reporter: good afternoon, alex. we've been talking to residents here in maryland. this was one of the places that expanded medicaid after the law's passage in 2010 and when we're look at the republican health care bill, not only does it draw back the number of people that will qualify for subsidies for those that buy on the exchange but when it comes to medicaid, it's going to cut off the amount of money from the federal government into states like maryland to offer medicaid to individuals. many of these, the executive minister at this church where chris is going to be holding the forum and he said when he went unemployed this spring, he ultimately qualified for medicaid and his concern is others like him, what will be ultimately happening to them. actually we have the senator here on site in the next half hour. he's going to be beginning that forum. there were pastors are here, hospital state officials, nonprofits that are here. we've been to a lot of republican town halls as we bring the senator in here. we've been to a lot of
republican town halls but this is a democratic town hall and my question for you here is, we're waiting for a cbo report to see what are the consequences of the health care bill being push bid the senate, but ultimately, by the end of the week, there could be a vote. for you, senator, what can democrats do at this point? and as part of this process. are you going to be offering amendments? what can you do? >> we will be offering amendments. we're expecting hundreds and hundreds of people here shortly to first of all learn more about the senate republican bill which is just as bad and in many ways meaner than the house bill. as you mentioned, it will dramatically cut those benefits to working people. it will dramatically cut medicaid all to give a huge tax break to the very wealthiest americans so we're bringing people together here and asking them to reach out to their friends and neighbors, by phone, over social media, texting, no matter what, in other states where -- and asking their friends and relatives to contact their republican senators. we need three republican
senators to do the right thing by their constituents, not by the party bosses in washington. >> what do you expect to hear today from these residents? >> well, i've been hearing all week from people who are justifiably fearful about losing access to affordable care. and we know in maryland, that's at least half a million people who will directly be hurt and hundreds of thousands of more who will lose their patient protections, people with preexisting conditions, going down the line, will have trouble. and that's just here in maryland. so, people are very worried, and they want to know what they can do. and here in maryland, we're asking them, contact friends and neighbors, no matter where you are in the country, if you're a part of a doctor's group or a nurse's group, make sure the nurses and doctors in these other states are contacting their senators. >> to your point, i think a couple of the numbers, i believe maryland the number of uninsured is down to 7% in the state. 300,000 more have been able to get medicaid as a result of the affordable care act. my question, for you, you're also the chair of the democratic
senatorial campaign committee and the two most vulnerable states perhaps are dean heller out in nevada and jeff flake out in arizona. dean heller came out and said he's not prepared to vote for the kbil. so for you, ultimately he could be one that actually squashes the senate bill. in terms of where the democratic campaign is going to be putting financing for you, what do you want to see out of dean heller and some of these places where potentially the very people that you want to beat in 2018 to help get the democrats the majority could also be the ones who help kill this bill. >> we want people to do the right thing by their constituents. we need to make sure we put aside the politics when it comes to people's health care. unfortunately the senate republican bill has been all about politics. it is a huge windfall tax break to wealthy people, millionaires get an average annual tax break of $50,000 when you're talking about dumping all these other people off of access to affordable care so we're asking those republican senators, whether in nevada or maine or no
matter where they are in the country, listen to your constituents. because how can you say this is a health care bill when not a single -- not one patient advocacy organization is in favor of this bill, and all their provider groups, nurses, doctors, against it. so, do the right thing. >> have you been talking to the likes of dean heller, lisa murkowsi, susan collins, any other holdouts. >> we've been urging all of them to do the right thing. this is a question of making sure that you listen to your constituents, which is why we think it's so important that people go back home over the fourth of july break. go to the parades, go to the bashs and picnics, listen to your constituents, because it's very clear, the more the american people know what's in this senate bill, the more they hate it. remember, donald trump had that great celebration in the rose garden after the house bill passed. behind closed doors, he called it mean. the senate bill is even meaner in many respects so we need to get the word out. people need to listen to their constituents, not the, you know,
special interests in washington. >> reporter: senator, thank you. alex. >> thank you to you, vaughn and thank you to the senator. i think that your conversation was a great prep for him before he goes inside and takes the questions from folks there on the inside there in maryland. thank you so much to you both. well, according to a nbc news wsj poll, 48% of americans say the house gop bill is a bad idea. only 16% of americans think the bill is a good idea. this is the poll also shows americans view obamacare in a more positive light with 41% saying it's a good idea. so it is pretty close there. joining me now, andy slafd, tvi. andy, with a big welcome to you, because boy, i'll tell you, it's all about you and what you know about right now. i'm curious about when you take a look at the differences between the house and the senate health care bill, there are going to be tax credits based on income, some deeper medicaid cuts by 2025, whether w some
gradual rollbacks. what does this mean and who do these cuts impact the most? >> well, thanks for having me on, alex. you know, it's interesting. after all of this wait where the senate said that they were going to start over and improve upon the house bill, after seven years, what the senate came up with actually is not a repeal of the aca. in fact, it keeps the tax credits in place. it shrinks them. it makes them harder to get to. it penalizes older and sicker people, but it doesn't repeal the aca. what it does, it is the single biggest action to devastate the medicaid program. it cuts 25% or more from the medicaid program and as you just outlined, it cuts it back and then starting in 2025, as baby boomers age into the nursing home age, it cuts it even worse. smad, of course, is paying for the care for two-thirds of seniors inside nursing homes. so this is not what america voted for.
this is not what senators should be expected to vote yes on. this is not a repeal of the aca. it's a shrinking of the aca, but it's an incredibly damaging set of actions to americans who rely on the medicaid system, which by the way, most of whom are not poor. most of whom are middle class, they're seniors, they're people with disabilities. >> and i know that you oversaw obamacare for a couple of years or so. what do you think makes obamacare different than the gop bill in addition to what you've just outlined and why do you think americans believe that obamacare is a good idea? >> well, almost every element of the aca is incredibly possibpul and there's one element that isn't is we can come to that. but the aca offers a set of protections that says it doesn't matter your income, doesn't matter your health status, you are entitled to not go bankrupt from a medical bill, which was the single biggest cause of bankruptcy in 2010 and has been cut in half since the aca. people also like the fact that
lifetime caps, things that rendered insurance useless if you had a premature baby, are gone. they're now illegal. people like the fact that if they had preexisting conditions, they're protected. people really like the fact that they know what they're getting. there's no more insurance policies, no more buying an insurance policy and then finding out, oh, they don't cover me for a hospital stay or for mental health or for maternity. there is a set of guaranteed minimum benefits, there's ten of them that i think are most basic and essential and people really like that. the only thing they don't like is they don't like the fact that there is inside the aca something that says, everybody should participate. and you know, i think that is about as popular as vegetables are with my kids. nonetheless, it's what brings health care down for all americans and joins people in. >> that said, andy, i do want to take point with that, though, because a lot of the ideology under the aca was that obviously younger people likely healthier people would come on board and
that that would then benefit with their influx of money, would benefit those people who had to use the system and health care to pay for illnesses and the like that were elolder or infirmed. that didn't necessarily pan out that way. >> i think what happened is actually that most people in 2010 thought that a lot of small businesses were going to dump their employees into the exchange that would have created a bigger pool and brought down the cost. that didn't happen. which is actually good news for people. it's good news for their employers, it's good news for them, good news for the frame government and that's really the biggest people. as it relates to young people, i will confess this. this bill is great for the following kind of people. if you are 27 and you have a $70,000 income and you're completely healthy, and you don't get a benefits from your job, this is a good bill for you. it really is. i don't know -- you know, the insurance will cover a lot less and you might not care about that. the problem is, in order to pay for that mythical 27-year-old with $70,000 income, people who are over 50 or who have been
sick or who have a low income have to pay a significant amount more. >> so, andy, i'm curious about the cbo score that's due out this week. could that spopstop this bill dead in its tracks because let's face it, if more than two republicans say, we're not voting this way, it is dead. >> i think there's a possibility that this bill could start to unravel fast and here's why. i can't have a senator who in their private moments will look at themselves and look at their staff and say, do i want to be responsible for the unraveling of the 52-year-old medicaid program? a vote yes is a vote to unravel medicaid as we know it. and i think there are senators who are beginning to have deep second thoughts about this. when the cbo score comes out, it's going to be abysmal. that score is going to come out, it's going to say that tens of millions of people are losing insurance coverage. then they're going to add more
amendments to the bill that are likely to make it worse and then i think leader mcconnell will ask people to vote without a new cbo score so i suspect that the cbo score, as bad as it will be, will even understate how many people will lose coverage. >> those words may be prophetic. andy, slavitt, thank you very much for weighing in. i appreciate it so much. with me now to explore what washington may be thinking with this crucial week ahead for the trumpcare fight, dan diamond and franco, white house correspondent. gentlemen, welcome to both of you. dan, i'll reach out to you first. you have these five gop hold yoults at least on the record. there are those that we may not know where they stand yet. will senate leader mitch mcconnell keep trying to force a vote before the july fourth break? >> that's a great question and i think we can see what happened in the house where there's a lot of movement, there's a lot of interest in trying to get as many people on the record before the scheduled vote this week. and if the votes aren't there, he may well pull it, just
knowing where the caucus stands ask then returning to it later. i know there's a school of thought that mcconnell just wants to show the body, get the vote over with and if the republicans lose, he's ready to move on. i'm not so sure that's the case. the republicans are looking for a legislative victory and there is so much momentum on trying to get something done on health care that if they're close enough, there may well be another vote later on, even if they don't have the votes right now. >> so, franco, mitch mcconnell making it pretty clear he is willing to bargain behind the scenes but how much so? how much is he willing to get away to get those essential, at least, three of those five republicans back, and keep in mind, that if collins and murkowski join forces because they don't like what's being done with planned parenthood and other female services, there's five to seven he's got to deal with. >> it's going to be a tight vote. i think it's interesting to see the action that donald trump has been taking. he knows how close of a vote he is, that's why he's getting so involved. that's why he's blasting on
twitter, criticizing obamacare. he has his chief -- pardon me, his press secretary sean spicer taking kind of advance work, blasting the cbo, noting that it might be wrong. he's got a campaign promise to keep. he talked about repealing obamacare early on in his campaign. it's something that he wants to do. and we know how important keeping campaign promises has been for the president, whether it was cuba, the paris accord, attacking immigration, so he's got a lot of skin in this game. and he's a -- he's taking a -- he's taking action as he can. >> yeah. i do want to talk further, dan, about dean heller and all the retaliation that he faces from the right right now. there's a million dollars worth of ad buys in his state of nevada that they've promised to put out there against him. i know you tweeted out a screen grab from america first policies and you have the #hellervoteyes. is this a preview of what's to
come for republicans who don't get on board bewith this plan. >> it's striking because the trump white house is allied with a group that is attacking dean heller. that's not what republicans want. mitch mcconnell and other republicans have blessed heller to be out against the bill. he's the most vulnerable republican up for election next year. if there's one person who is going to come out this early, it would have been heller. that said, if the white house is going to turn on him and attack him, that doesn't give a lot of confidence to other republicans who may be thinking about either going against the bill or wanting to work with the white house. and heller's opposition to the bill, i thought, was striking. if you watched his press conference, he didn't just say no. he went really after the bill and said there were lies in it. he basically wrote a campaign ad for democrats so the nevada situation is interesting. it's not that it was unexpected. it's more what's come after heller's announcement that's surprised me. >> i'm surprised as well because you look at katie walsh and this $1 million ad buy. these are republicans against republicans. do they think there's another
republican who can beat the democrat who'd be running next year? does it make sense to you? >> does something that the trump white house or trump allies do make sense? i don't know if that's the first time that question's been asked but i think it just speaks to some vindictiveness on the level of the white house and working with congress which is not the way that a bill gets done. not that the democrats had a shoot process in 2009. but there was more of a centralized effort. with the white house and congress working together and i've heard from some of my reporting on the hills that white house has sometimes weighted in and made things worse. trump a few weeks ago bashed the house bill behind closed doors after telling them how great it was to their face. there's not a lot of trust between the two branches right now on negotiating a health care deal. >> and so, look, it's a lot more than just heller to talk about. you've got wisconsin senator ron johnson, one of the biggest of obamacare, it's how he got elected. he thinks that senate leaders are rushing this bill, they're not doing enough to bring down the premiums, he doesn't like it all being done behind closed
doors. how much of a blow is that to mcconnell and the president's efforts. >> i think it's a big bleel. this shows how difficult it is. however, i would say i think mcconnell has, he knows his members. i don't think he would bring this bill forward publicly if he didn't think it had an opportunity. the fact that they're coming out and speaking so publicly about their concerns, i think, can also be seen as kind of a negotiating tactic. the fact that they're talking about it, i think, you see that they're willing to talk. they want to negotiate. and this is a negotiation process that we will see more conversation over the last week, just talking with conservatives and listening to conservatives, they seem very confident or cautiously optimistic that they will be able to get this done. but you know, noted before, trump knows the stakes here. he knows he can only lose two. that's why he's working so hard. he knows a challenge. >> okay. this question to both of you. it's prediction time. if the senate's version does get the votes, how likely is it that
the house signs off on all the senate changes? i'll let you go first, franco. >> that's a -- that's a tough question. i mean, you're going to -- you've got another chasm o leap over. you've got the freedom caucus who's going to have a lot of questions about the essential benefits, the preexisting conditions. that is a million dollar question that i'm not sure i'm willing to make a prediction in here but i think absolutely, it is going to be a very interesting story for us to continue to cover, because there's going to be a lot more negotiating going on, i will say. >> absolutely. dan, your thoughts, quickly. >> i think there is a lot of value to the idea that conservatives are posturing right now in advance of making a deal, and when i hear house conservatives saying, we're not sure we can sign off on this bill, i just hear more posturing. i can't think of a major effort that fell apart after both the senate and the house passed a bill and then weren't agreed -- able to agree in conference when it was something like this health care bill that they have pushed for years to get to this point. >> yeah. you make a good point, both of
you do. politico's dan diamond and franco, thank you so much for joining us. we're going to turn to the other story consuming capitol hill when we come back. the investigation into russia's interference with last year's election. is president trump finally conceding vladimir putin and the kremlin launched a campaign and is he willing to do anything to prevent russia from doing it again? ♪
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president cast doubts. >> he's very, very good friends with comey, which is bothersome. the people that have been hired are all hillary clinton supporters, some of them worked for hillary clinton. i mean, the whole thing is ridiculous if you want to know the truth from that standpoint. but robert mueller's an honorable man, and hopefully he'll come up with an honorable solution. >> and joining us now from the white house, nbc's kelly o'donnell, another good saturday to you, my friend. let's get right to it as the president appears to be coming around to the fact that russia meddled. any indication he's going to take action. >> reporter: what stands out about that tweet is that there wasn't, in the 140 characters, the usual caveats that we've heard from the president in interviews and press conferences when he's been asked about it. he would often say, other countries could have been involved or it could have been some hacker in their basement. he has not been as full throated as the 17 intelligence community
agencies in the u.s., the 17 agencies of the intelligence community that all say it was russia with russia's fingerprints on it. sure, other nations are also doing hacking and cyber espionage, but in the enstance of the meddling in the 2016 election, officials say it was russia. so, it is notable that in that tweet, the president seems to acknowledge russia, but he also uses it to say that the obama administration had advanced warning and didn't do anything about it. there are reports that the president, former president, was concerned about tipping the scales of the election if he did too much publicly, and yet the obama administration did have a number of statements they made publicly concerned about cyber hacking during the 2016 campaign. now that president trump is in office, one of the questions is, how much is he involved in the issue of trying to prevent russia from doing this again for future elections and there have been some officials who have suggested the president has not shown curiosity about the
russian hacking or other thing they're doing to disrupt the democratic process here. in an interview with cia director mike pompeo, our colleague, who debuted his show this morning, had this interview where he takes us behind the closed doors of the white house to show, in his view, how the president and the cia director interact on matters of intelligence. >> i'm with the president nearly every day. we have 35 or 40 minutes on his schedule that almost always runs long, which is great. great questions. he is a serious consumer of the product that the intelligence community drifrz and i appreciate that because i think it informs how he thinks about the world. i know that my predecessor handled it differently, wasn't there very often. president obama consumed his intelligence in a different way. >> and one of the things pompeo did not do is give any new ground on matters are relating to russia or talk explicitly about what the president knows or thinks about russia but it gives us a window into how the
trump white house is dealing with this issue that has dogged them over many months now and alex, as we often talk about the whole russia matter, whether it's the hacking or questions about associates in the trump circle who might have had contacts or the handling of the firing of former fbi director director james comey, all of this presents roadblocks and bumps for the trump administration to try to get things done, like health care that you were just talking about in the last segment. >> all right a comprehensive report, kelly, as usual from the white house. thank you so much for that. we're going to hear a bit more on the latest investigation into the alleged ties between russia and the trump campaign. joining us is the former adviser to national security adviser tom don lynn in the obama administration and with a big welcome to you, cia director mike pompeo shedding a bit new light on russia's role in the election. let's take a listen to that. >> the intelligence community has said that this election was meddled with by the russians in a way that is frankly not particularly original. >> so, couple things there.
he said the russians were not particularly original. i'd like to get your sense on where pompeo stands on russia versus trump, who's continued to call this fake news, and why do you think later in the interview we didn't play that for you, that said, he did, when asked directly by my colleague, if he agrees that vladimir putin and all the evidence points to him hadn't been behind everything, this was something, a finding by the cia, by mike pompeo's agency and he said i can neither confirm nor deny. what's that about. >> i think what's really important to remember during this roller coaster of an investigation is that vladimir putin has a really big smile on his face right now. because if statements this week, and over the past several months, make it very clear that the united states is undergoing a really serious national security crisis. undermining the assessment of the u.s. intelligence community plays right into vladimir putin's intelligence operation. we need to clearly state that
russia interfered in the election and then move ahead and hold them accountable for their actions. otherwise, vladimir putin thinks he can do what he wants when he wants at no cost. why wouldn't he launch another cyber attack? and at the same time, we're so distracts tracted with finger pointing and name calling that we have less time and attention to pay to the real issue of ongoing russian misbehavior around the world. we're distracted which means we're increasingly vulnerable. >> there's this new story from the "washington post," obama's secret struggle to punish russia for putin's election assault. how do all these new revelations move the russia story forward? >> thanks, alex. "the washington post" reporting really laid out very clearly what the administration knew, when they knew it and how they chose to respond. president obama's concerns about perceptions of political interference meant that politics entered the analysis security situation room. this was a direct attack on u.s.
soil against the u.s. electoral system and should have been viewed through national security parameters. now, president trump is meeting with vladimir putin at the g-20 in july, and this is a really important opportunity to clearly lay out the costs for russian misbehavior. i sincerely hope that his national security team is kbrus the time until that meeting to develop real options to tell putin that this cannot continue and will not be tolerated. >> you're invoking national security perspective there because you served during the obama administration. >> indeed. >> is there any insight that you can provide about how a decision like this gets made. >> certainly. i was at the white house for four years. we dealt with a series of very serious policy decisions, and i can tell you that politics never entered "the situation room." we looked at the issue at hand, in this case an attack. we viewed the players involved. and we relied heavily on the intelligence community to come up with options that would really deter that actor from
future misbehavior. that's how this process should be viewed. politics should not be part of this discussion. >> all right, samantha, former senior adviser to now former national security adviser, thank you so much for joining us. we have much more on russia still ahead. president trump already appearing to be going after special counsel robert mueller as his investigation continues. will those attacks carry any weight with congressional republicans?
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i'm telling you right now, i cannot support a piece of legislation that takes insurance away from tens and millions of americans and hundreds of thousands of nevadaens and lastly, the goal should be to lower costs here in nevada and i'm not confident, not confident, that it will achieve that goal. >> that is senator dean heller becoming the fifth republican to oppose the senate health care bill in its current form. two of these five senators will
have to change their minds if the bill is to pass. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says he's willing to negotiate but whether he can craft a compromise that won't alienate more members of his party, that remains a question. for more on this all, i'm joined by a democratic congressman from washington state. welcome to you. i'm curious if you expect this bill can be changed enough to pass. >> it's a difficult needle for the republicans to thread, because they've got the conservatives who don't like what it does, and you've got the folks who are trying to moderate it. so i don't know. it's hard to say. i mean, it's really sad the way they've approached health care, which is simply to be against obamacare and not to be for anything. because all the plan that they're doing does is takes health care away from a bunch of people and throws our system into even more chaos. look, obamacare worked in terms of add ago lot more people to the roll tz. what we need to focus on is how do we make cost control work. i don't see anything in this bill that's going to make cost control better so whether they pass it or not, i think health care in this country is in a
very, very bad place. >> and interestingly, sir, an nbc "wall street journal" poll suggesting the majority of americans do not like the republican health care plan. there's a quinnipiac poll suggesting only 20% of voters are likely to vote for someone who supports the revised health care plan. what does that suggest to you and how democrats can make it work for them. >> well, i'll give you a slightly different answer. the problem with the health care debate, and i raised this issue when we were passing the affordable care act with the obama administration, is very few politicians are actually honest with the american people about the choices that are involved. i mean, nobody's worse, obviously, than president trump, who says we're going have a plan that's going to cover everybody, it's going to be cheaper, it's going to be great, it's going to be perfect for everybody. well, that's not the way health care works. in order for everyone to be covered, you have to take into account the fact that people who are older or sicker are going to get priced out of the market unless you make people who are younger and healthier pay more. unless you put various systems in place to ensure that health
care companies can't cherry pick healthy people or cherry pick people in certain categories. that's why you require a minimum benefits package. that's why you require it to cover pregnancy. and you say, gosh, i'm a 58-year-old single man, i'm not going to be pregnant. but the point is, you got to put everybody into the pool in order to make it affordable. if you allow people outside of the pool, the people who are healthier or less risky, then the costs for people who fall outside get prohibitive. that's what preexisting conditions is all about. and the thing most people also don't realize is, it's not, these are the people with preexisting conditions. everybody is vulnerable. you could have a child born with a horrible disease. i mean, simply getting old puts you in a position of having a preexisting condition that makes you uninsurable. so, to make this work, to get costs under control, some people are going to have to pay more than they would on a simple open market. but you pay more now so that hopefully when you get sick or you get old, you can have affordable health care.
that's the balance we have to strike, and i don't hear what i just said said hardly at all during the course of this health care debate. it's all about, they're taking insurance away from people or democrats want government to run it. health care policy is complicated for the reasons i just stated and many more. we need an honest discussion about it. look, america does not have the best health care system in the world and we haven't for quite some time. we need to look and learn from what other countries have done that are actually doing a better job of providing health care to their citizens for a lot less money. but that requires an honest conversation. >> yeah. well, congressman, your thoughts certainly are honest. thank you for sharing them on that. and we can talk a lot more but i do want to get to the bill that you introduced this week aimed at getting the department of defense to come up with a strategy for dealing with russia's aggression. politico is reporting today that the trump administration is debating whether to withdraw from an international treaty signed by reagan and gorbachev
in 1987 that bans an entire class of nuclear missiles. what's your reaction to that? >> well, that's sort of a minor side issue, not a minor issue, but the russians have been in violation of that treaty for some time so how we handle that is important. the larger issue is the fact that the trump administration flat refuses to acknowledge even what russia is doing, much less that it's a threat. and it's just embarrassing that president trump finally came up with a position on it and that is, well, if it happened, it's obama's fault. he's been president now for six months. he's come up with no strategy whatsoever, in fact, as you mentioned earlier, most of the time, he says the whole russian thing is fake news. what my bill attempts to make sure, it is not fake news. what vladimir putin and russia are doing is a clear threat to our country, our democracy. it's not just our election that they meddled in. they're meddling in elections all across europe, eastern and western europe. they're also creating a lot of fake news stories in order to
drive policies that they think are advantageous. the whole situation between qatar and saudi arabia and the other arab states in part was kicked off by a speech that the foreign minister of qatar supposedly gave that was inflammatory to saudi arabia. only the foreign minister didn't give that speech. it was something that was posted on the internet that was simply made up. and then people bought into it. these are the types of disinformation campaigns that russia is running, and they are doing it to promote autocratic dictate irships and undermine democracies and president trump has steadfastly refused to even acknowledge that this has happened so my bill says, acknowledge it and put together a strategy for countering it. >> washington state congressman adam smith, i enjoyed sbeek wrg you and look forward to doing it again. next up, the stunning fall of the ceo of one of the world's fastest-growing companies, what led to the demise of uber's travis clak and what lies ahead
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well, uber's embattled ceo, travis kalanick, has resigned, his resignation coming after a group of investors pressured him to step down. nbc's savannah sellers is joining me now with the very latest so with a good day to you, my friend, how did it get to this point? >> hi, alex, exactly like you said. we've seen this trickle of events since the beginning of this year that have led us to the point of travis kalanick stepping down from ceo. so we took a look back at what's happened so far in 2017. at the beginning of the year, you'll remember that delete uber campaign that lit up social media. celebrities like lena dunham posting photos of themselves. this was based on uber's reaction to a taxi strike going
on as well as ongoing sexual harassment allegations. a month after that, the ceo himself was caught on dash cam footage, treating the man disrespectfully. >> you know what? pi what? >> some people don't like to take responsibility for their actions. >> [ bleep ]. >> they blame everything. >> but why you send somebody an e-mail for town car. >> good luck. >> just after that incident, kalanick sent an e-mail to uber employees that he himself called a profound apology, saying that he needed leadership help and he intended to get it. now, between that time and his resignation, we've seen several more sexual harassment allegations and about a week prior to his resignation but then amid a shareholder revolt, he actually did decide to step down from the position of ceo. now that leads us to talk of exactly what is going to happen for the company. the ceo search is on. i spoke with cnbc this week
about which names are being thrown around. >> one really exciting name that people were talking about and have been talking about over the last few days, of course, is facebook's cheryl sandberg. you know, we've heard from sources that she's interested in staying at facebook, not jumping over to a company like uber, but you know, some other names that have been thrown around is ex-ford ceo mark fields who recently left ford. the thought is that he could bring his experience at a major automaker to the ride sharing start-up. >> so, some big names there, but she also pointed out to me that this could be a tough spot to be put in because kalanick will continue to be involved. he is staying on the board and this also could be made difficult as employees have begun a petition to bring travis back. they're actually trying to send it out. managers are sending to employees, trying to get people to check off if they want him to come back or not but an exciting opportunity for one of the top tech companies. >> they have about 1,000 drivers who have said they want him back. we are going to turn back to
the health care debate after the break. protests against the senate's obamacare replacement bill unfolding on capitol hill and throughout the country. the bill also opposed by the largest nurse's union in u.s. history. we're going to hear from them next. is that good? yeah it's perfect. bees! bees! go! go! go! [ girl catching her breath } [ bees buzzing inside vehicle ] the all-new volkswagen atlas. with easy-access 3rd row. life's as big as you make it. but when we brought our daughter home, that was it. now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. it's the best thing that ever happened to me. every great why needs a great how. welcome to holiday inn! ♪ ♪
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oochltd. earlier this week, national nurses united denounced the senate health care bill, saying the barbarity of ending medicaid coverage for millions of low income adults coupled with the huge increase in costs for people with even minor so-called preexisting conditions will be long remembered by voters. joining me now is political director for the national nurses united statesed and with a big welcome to you, ken, what is your issue with the bill as it stands right now. >> thanks, alex. it's great to be here. from the perspective of the nation's registered nurses who are the front line of health care in this country in our hospitals and our clinics, this
is not a health care bill. this is a pain and suffering bill. millions of people will lose their health insurance and therefore not be able to get the care that they need. millions more will have their premiums go up, their deductibles go up. and so they also will not be able to get the care that they need. and so our patients are going to suffer. and medicaid as we know it will be decimated. at the same time, this is a massive give away to the richest people in this country and to big corporations. we're talking about the richest 400 families in this country getting an annual $7 million tax break. $275 billion tax break going to the top 2% earners in this country and hundreds of billions more going to health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. so that's why we are very much opposed to this horrible bill. and we urge the senate to reject it but also it's fairly important to not just say that we're going to defend the status quo with the affordable care act. we have to now move to single
payer medicare for all health care and we urge the congress to take that up immediately. >> what do you see that's missing that you would like to see put in it. >> well, this bill has to get rejected in total. we now need to adopt a medicare for all, single payer system. we have to start from the position of the most popular government program in america is medicare. we have a single payer system in this country, it's called medicare. it is wildly popular for -- with seniors. we need to expand that to cover everyone in the country so that health care is a human right in this country, not a privilege. and join the rest of the civilized nations in this world so that we actually take care of the people in our country. >> i'm curious about the numbers here from a political perspective. according to a nbc news "wall street journal" poll, 38% of americans think congress and the president should continue its efforts to repeal obamacare, 39% think they shouldn't, 20% say no opinion at all. what do you think of those
numbers? >> well, we have to acknowledge that obamacare has been unpopular for some good reasons. it did some good things. it expanded people who have health insurance through the medicaid expansion program. that was all good. the issue of covering kids until they're 26 on their parents' plan, that was good. to not allow insurance companies to stop coverage if you have a preexisting condition, that was good. but the reality is we should not be talking about health insurance, we should be talking about health care. that's what registered nurses care about is they're the ones on the front line in the hospitals caring for you and your families, and that's what we have to be talking about, not about market solutions, but about care for everyone because that is a human right. >> i'll tell you, you can't do it without the nurses, ken zinn, political director tore national nurses united, thanks for joining us. that is a wrap for me on this saturday. thanks for watching. i'll be with you tomorrow
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