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that wraps this hour of msnbc live. >> 2:00 p.m. in the east, 11:00 a.m. in los angeles. we have a busy hour for you encolluding what the white house is calling a "clear victory. >> they allowed a limited version of the controversial travel ban to go into effect, setting the stage for an argument that will put the executives sweeping powers on i'm graduation and national security before the nation's highest course. that leads us to our word of the day, supremes. >> we are following breaking news, of course from the supreme court. giving the court administration a partial victory. . >> this is one of the signature campaign prosks. >> they feel like it can go into
effect against foreign nationals with no relationship to the united states. >> i think the fact that it was nine members of the cream court is telling. >> they will hear full arguments in the fall, until then here is what takes effect right now. four nationals from six countries will be restricted from entering the united states unless they have close ties to a family member, job, or a school here. right now the white house is holding an off camera briefing. we'll bring you the highlights once we get them. joining me now is pete williams. and nbc news chief white house correspondent. got a lot of chiefs with me. pete, how did they come to this decision and why allow part of it to go into effect when every
court that has seen it so far has said no? >> every other court so far says the president cannot enforce the travel ban to people with connections from folks oversees. the lower course is 6-3 on this question. can people who are oversees and want to visit folks, real fives, and so fort, can they come in the lower courts went too far in applying the ban on enforcement to everybody. the supreme court said the government can again to enforce the travel restriction on people who want to come to the u.s. from those six countries whether or not they want to be their business people, their tourists,
they want to visit relatives or they're refugees. >> the white house is very happy about this? >> yeah, i learned -- i just walked out of that off camera gaggle listening from where everyone sits. my colleagues are in there right now and sean spicer opened that gaggle by calling this an important tool for the trump administration. he went on to, as we heart, in that brink stateme that wring statement, to call it a threat to the homeland. giving furthe inine ining guida available. questions on how it moves on from here. ly also say that he touched on
another another people court case. back to the travel ban for one second, the president clearly sees it as a victory. we saw it in his statement, he said it is vindicating him, calling the supreme court sf a victory for our national security. every since the day he ultimately skucuttled it was fo national security. now they feel they're validating that particular argument. that is what they're going to work to drive home in ogt. >> the lower court, the tweets and what the travel ban is and meant to be. we'll see how it plays out in court as we listen to sean
spicer behind me. >> let's talk about in this case nags security, arguing this would be a 90 day ban in effect. that could mean it is moot by the fall, right? >> yes, it was set up as a pause for three months, and the supreme court has said the arguments will be scheduled for october. they tried to make sure it was not mooted. we have clues they seem eager to take this all of the way to the court. on it's face, the 90 day part would suggestion, by the time the momentous arguments would reach the court in october. >> so also, pete, a lot of speculation about what will
happen with justice anthony kennedy. whether or not he will announce his re tiempl, and that would impact the court. pete what are you hearing? >> he has not said yet what he intends to do. . i think at this point he has to stay another term. >> pete williams short and to the point. i want to bring in allen, again, you're with us by allen in march, you said the supreme court would uphold the ban. you said there was a difference between lobbying bad policy and making a decision. >> i actually said i thought they would have pulled the parts of the ban that did not apply to american citizens greencard
holders. it shows that president trump is wrong and many of the pun don'ts are wrong. he said there is no difference between his first order and his second order. the first one applied completely to greencard holders and to other people with close connections to the united states. i think he went too far, and the p pundents said it went too far, we'll see some parts of the provision, and strike down other parts of the provision. so i think from the stay order, you can predict that justice roberts will make the case largely on standing and who has standing, who has the right to challenge the order. who has the right to challenge it and people with no connection
to the united states will have no right to challenge it. >> the lower courts used his past statements against him. the supreme court doesn't seem to have taken the comments into question, does that mean they don't care about them? >> it means at this step they are less focused on them. i think they outlined something that is significant for what happened today. now the court is speaking. and what the court said is it cares more about the who than the why. the debate over the why is a targeting of why, whether or not, it is a big row bus debabu and they started by reviewing statements before he even became president.
it is more of a standing and rights based city, and who can get in the door, something going on, they won't have the rights. so the who says we don't care about them as much. in disdinges to the other ask d affected victims -- >> it discriminatest massively against muslims. i think we will see implication here that this will not be decided on the basis of any
accomplishment of religion. it be be for people to have some status in the united states. >> from now to the fall when they decide to hear arguments on the case? >> unlikely. we see that in other types of review where there is a review of how reasonable is something, but in the areas of natural immigration and war, they are much less likely to do this kind of analysis. they are far more likely to try to figure out is this constitutional in the president's powers and has he done or said anything that could undermine what he said. >> coming up, our runner up word and what it could mean.
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five republican senators say not yet, one of the senators is ron johnson who wrote today "like obama care, it relies too heavily on government sending and ignores the role that the role that the private sector can and should play. and the side of a protest today. kel know we're going to get a cbo score later this afternoon. if the score comes back, it could leave millions more uninsured, how does that affect the bill? >> it is unclear that it would stop the bill, but i think it would slow it down a little bit. this bill is based on the house
health care bill that 23 million fewer pould would have been ensured. if the bill is not as bad, the senate will say they're making improvements. the conservative senators that approve of this bill, their complaints have not been based on the number of people being covered, but the cost and quality of care for those that are covered. so it would not care them or make it harder to bring them around. >> it sort of depends. there is two votes here, a vote to bring it to the floor, and a vote to bring it up and down. why would you vote to bring it to the floor if you don't think
it is ready yet. there is that question about timing, but posturing is sort of part of this. they don't all oppose this for the same reason. some of them are the specifics they ask. ded cruise wants an amendment on premiums. >> so they can afford to lose two republicans. >> the two most likely to vote know is troubprobably dean helld said i can't support it. a pro-trump super bac are running ads against him now. i think he would be hard to turn back to yes, and then rand paul. he wants such big changes, these are not the things you get by tinkering around the edges. >> not senator mccowski?
>> i think there are things they can do to sweeten the deal for her. there are issues important to her they can maybe put out there as negotiating chips. there is more than she might want than maybe dean heller. >> and you're down where donald trump owns a very big golf course, tell us about it. >> there was dozens of protestors out here. they just disbursed there. also small business owners chanting rubio come out, and rubio vote know on this new senate health care bill.
1.4 million floridans are enrolled in obama care. and that is why you saw people out here. they helped co-organize them today. why is this so important to you as a floriday? >> i'm very concerned about medicaid and medicare caughts. we have a million people that use medicare benefits. the benefits affect young children, elderly, and disabled people. if you look at a county like dade or broward, half of the people leave near the definition of poverty. i think a community is defined by how they treat the most
vulnerable population. >> now, casy you were just commenting on the number of senators that might vote know. marco rooub you says she -- rub saying he is undecided. >> thank you to you and thank you to the gentlemen who were speaking with you out there. com reid remits new york and voted yes on the house's version of the president bill. thank you for joining me. do you support the bill being put forth by the senate right now? >> it is not the final bill. there will be many amendments to the bill in the senate, but they're moving in the right destruction. we have to address this because it is not sustainable. >> if they pass it in the senate and it goes back to the house, are you prepared to vote on it
after the july 4th holiday? >> it depends on what the amendments are. we're seeing a collapse, people are losing access to health insurance. i care keeply about those individuals and to do nothing is the irresponsible thing to do. >> do you believe this version will cover more people and not millions of others who lose their health care? >> i recognize the score, but you just have to look at the collapse of joyce where obama care carriers are pulling out. i'm very concerned to those individuals and i want to sweeten it to make it more accessible to people. >> is that the decision here? passing the gop version that in itself will potentially make millions of others lose health care, and we'll find out how
they score the senate version right now. bauke care or millions of people losing their health care? >> i coach the problem solvers caucus, and we're seeing people that want to deal with this issue, it is coming down to a single payer proposal. and that is the choice that is now before us. big government to take over health care or what we're trying to do in the house or senate bill. >> they were just talking about medicaid cuts, and disproportiona disproportionately will in effect children, elderly, disabled, should they be empowered to have a choice? >> medicaid itself will be taking care of in both bills. >> this is touching medicaid. >> it is touching medicaid
expansion. it is probably the issue in that people are talking about. the working poor out there. that's why we have to make sure the tax credits are tailors in a way -- >> don't the tax credits just affect the rich? >> we put an age based tax credit program left, and i think that was the improvement that the senate was making, they're bringing income into the equation, and that, i believe is a wide move and a right move in the right direction. >> the money that we're going to be about to use to get health care, the premiums may not rise. the subsidies will not cover them as much. it is not as much of an insintive for them. >> that is an area that is showing improvement, and if that is the disagreement, and folks want to join us, i welcome that
conversation and welcome them to join us in that effort. >> congressman, thank you very much and we would appreciate and welcome any debate there will be as well. breaking news meanwhile, the white house briefing just ended. what did you find out? >> well, stressing again this briefing was off camera, press secretary sean spicer was asked about a whole host of topics. they seemed to acknowledge what they mentioned months ago that russia did medal in the election. spicer was asked about that and he sort of walked it back a little bit. take a listen to what he had to say. >> president trump seems to acknowledge that he does believe that russia interviewed in the u.s. election. is that how that statement
should be interpreted? >> the statement he made in january is consistent with what he said the other day. he believes that russia was involved, potentially some other countries as well could have been equally involved. and he stands by the daytimes that he made in january. >> spicer was asked to provide evidence that other countries may have been involved as well and he said he would try to do so. he was also pressed that president trump seeded to indicate that president obama colluded with or instructed russia to do more, and i pressed him on that fact, president trump seemed to be eggs ruing ra on. i asked him about the apparent hypocrisy there. >> i don't have all of the
understanding of what they knew and when they knew it, but there does seem to be a little hypocrisy in terms of what they didn't clearly do if they don't truly believe all of this is happening. as i mentioned what is important to note, is if they did know all of this, they clearly know there was no collusion. >> so, katie, that was sean spicer on the russia matter. he was asked about health care, he said the president over the weekend made a number of phone calls and continues to do so. he also expressed optimism about the direction that the senate bill is moving in, of course after referring to the house bill as mean. it was heated with john acosta really pressing sean spicer on why there are no cameras, at one point a number of other reporters jumped in as well. >> i thiet be dhate to be a deb but we're not getting many
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breaking news, and yes this is breaking news, the president just tweeted on the travel ban decision today from the supreme court. he said he was grateful for the 9-0 decision from the u.s. supreme court. going on to say we must keep america safe. directly from the president of the united states. the supreme court said they would let a limited version go into effect. does president trump believe russia interfered in the 2016 election? we've had a hard time getting an answer on this. >> it could be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 points, ♪ ♪ >> it could be russia, i don't really think it is, but who knows, i don't know either, they don't know and i don't know. >> now we have gotten closer to an answer. >> well, i just heard today for
the first time that obama news about russia a long time before the election but nobody wanted to do anything about it. he should have done something about it. >> and as you heard moments ago, sean spicer walked that back a bit in today's briefing. he took aim at president obama. the reason that president balm did nothing about russia after being notified by the cia of meddling is because he didn't do anything because he thought hillary would win. on the russia side, moscow's top diplomat, at the center of the connections to president trump is returning home. he will leave his position as
ambassador at the end of summer. russia's deputy foreign minister is expected to take his place. >> joining me now is eli sto stokels, and ned price, a former spokesperson for the national security council. also an msnbc national security analyst. is it now political political palet paletteable because he can try to blame obama? >> yes, this is a matter of convenience, you saw him trying to do exactly that, talking about hypocrisy. and sean spicer going as far to say if they knew about this, they knew there was no sclu collusion. drawing a line that they want to validate and draw a line from that to the president did nothing wrong case dismissed.
not quite that clear, but it is a matter of convenience. the white house is overlooking the context when back during the election the balm administration was dealing with candidate donald trump saying every say the election is rigged. that is a big factor in why the last administration did or did not respond in a certain way. not really much of an explanation or answer on that question either. >> trying not to tip the scales, but he has known about it and been briefed about it for many months. he had a fuel briefing back in january about how russia did this a day after president obama got it. so president trump has known about it for quite some time, what he he doing about it? >> off camera sean spicer saying it is a matter of concern, but when you're off camera, it is
sending the message that it is less important. we'll see what he says about it going forward. jeff sessions saying he could recall no time when they were talking about it or expressing concern about that election as well. >> and a lot of criticism coming your way, former obama officials saying you choked. the president trying to say it was not choking, it was collusion, but do you think the obama administration choked on this? >> absolutely not. >> let me just repark on the tweet storm this morning. by accusing others of obstruction and collusion, the very crimes for which he is being investigated, he is resorting to a playground tactic. i know you are but what am i. he is throwing back the terms
that he has been accused of, and it's a defense that has no basis because his actions have been indefensible. he praised wikileaks 264 times, he denied any meddling on the part of moscow. now he has changed a bit, but he is still not where the 17 intelligence agencies are. we want today security the integrity of the vote. and we did that as both the balm administration and subsequently the trump administration has confirmed that moscow was not able to interfere, they were not able to tamper with votes, and they warned the russians repeatedly not to carry on with this, sensitizing the american
people, most famously statements released a full month, and by working with state -- secretaries of state to ensure that our states, the infrastructure, had the appropriate defenses to resist any efforts by moscow to meddle in the vote counting references. >> once he is accused of something, he will accuse the other person of the exact tame thing. it goes on and on and on. >> the playground moe -- motif either way. >> does he know what clooud means? >> i doubt it and i don't think he knows what the facts are. he talks about incident that's
occurred back during the election. if you look at the purpose of the process, it was played into in spades. he called it rigged. he asked the russians to go in and hack rikt's e-mail. that itself is a criminal act. >> i'm going to stop you right there because i want to play that soundbite from july of 2016. sean spicer was just asked about it and he said the president was joking. take a listen to him in july 2016. >> when they would hack into a major party, but it would be interesting to see, i will tell you this, russia, if you're interesting, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails.
i think you will be rewarded mightly by our press. >> we just pulled that off of the web, but a moment later, i asked him if it gave him any pause to ask a foreign government to hack into the personal e-mail of any person in this country. and eli, he said it gave him no pause, no, absolutely not. he was not joking in that moment like sean spicer is trying to argue or like the president was trying to argue later when he walked that back. how much longer will they try to make the argument that we're not seeing what is very clearly in front of our eyes. >> right, that's the gaslighting that we have seen for a long time from trump and the people around him. he is so cavalier about language and so, often times two conflicting things, and the whole thing on the media to take
them at their word when he says something. but it is a difficult thing to do and it does give himly way wi -- him leeway with his supporters. and sean spicer saying today that he believes russia had something to do with interfering in the election, but it might have been other countries or entities, and when pressed on that, spicer had no explanation for where that comes from, said he would talk about that and get back to us, and you know how that usually goes. >> makes the george orwell quote even for relateble today. we're getting a cbo score today, could it slow things down in the senate? i will ask a former cbo official
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health care bill. just a few moments ago, here was sean spicer talking about that vote. >> how do you characterize that. >> he made several calls to multiple senators to get their ideas, understand where they're at, and what needs to get done. >> politico says that millions of more people will close their insurance. it targeted medicaid by curtailing an expansion put in place by obama care. joining me now is jonathan gruber and douglas, a former office director and economic advisor to john mccain's 2008 campaign and president of the american action forum. i want to ask the same question to both of you first. what do you expect to see from
the cbo score today? >> i think cbo reports something very similar to the house version of this bill. the coverage numbers will be better, the premiums lower, the senate will have constructs up up front money. this will be a bill that relieves a great burden on the economy. it will put the budget on a more sound path. right now they're causing trillion dollar deficits, and it will target the most needy americans. >> jonathan, how about you. >> it is best to say it will be slightly more positive. it is not saying much, and once again look, the bottom line is let's not listen to the gibberish you just heard. the facts are the affordable
care act is working fine, and the fact that this alternative, whether or not you like the affordable care act is a disaster. . two thirds of people in medicare work. but they work in jobs that don't offer experience. without the subsidies to make insurance affordable, they cannot afford insurance. the finish is not working, most people are hard working people, this is not a moral judgment. >> doug, what if millions more are going to lose their coverage and millions more are able to continue to get their costs. what happens when those that can't afford it have not seen their premiums rise, but their out of pocket expenses rise, to a point where they're not able to afford health care, is that a
choice? >> what we saw in the house bill was not very clear. what was very first clear what was heard was the individual mandate. >> in the first year, in the first year, when all that changed when the individual mandate is no longer in place, $8 million choose not to buy individual market policies. they're saying no we don't want it. the following nine years, the market rises by $2 million people. the house version worked. they are more aggressive about getting premiums down, stabilizing the markets, and we'll see better numbers out of it. that is a success story. >> no, you asked me -- you said it would fail, it's not, i'm telling you what will be in this score, you will see even more aggressive attempts to stabilize the market and premiums will be
lower, lets in the way of drop up front, and you will get better coverage numbers. medicaid has to be reformed. it is an inside of eight years. it is unimaginable that it will survive eight years in this forum, so the question for everyone is not do you want to do medicaid reform, it is which reforms do you want. you're allowed to disagree with these. far from perfect bill. but it has got to happen, to compare this to an unrealist reality, where you throw money at it, it is not a good comparison. >> jonathan, i'll let you take it away. >> so basically the notion that we couldn't survive eight years, i would be willing to bet any sum of money, if we do not touch obamacare, our economy will be fine in eight years, our country will be fine in eight years. this is not an urgent immediate thing. that's what proponents -- the budget deficit according to cbo, if we do not touch obamacare, obamacare will lower the budget
deficit. you know that, doug. the obamacare score said obamacare will lower -- that's not even -- >> what will that do? >> why do we -- hold on. hold on, guys. hold on. hey. my show. i'm going to ask the questions. hold on a second. doug what about the -- why give such a big tax break to the rich? what's the point of that? is that where you're arguing trickle down economics here? >> the taxes are not just on the rich. there is a high income -- >> mostly on the rich. >> i think the health insurance tax policy shows up in the premiums of americans. i think if you go through those taxes, it is hard to make the case this is exclusively a tax cut for the rich. that's a talking point. i get it. but the reality is that the affordable care act hit the economy with a trillion dollars in taxes, a lot of regulations, and it harmed economic performance. if you're willing to settle for 2% growth and put everybody on
medicaid, fine. i think republicans would like to have better growth so people can have jobs and get their own insurance than have a big social safety net that is strangling the economy. >> millions of people losing their health care, though, how can anybody argue in favor of that? that's what the cbo score said about the house health care bill, likely what they're going to say about the senate health care bill. how can you argue in favor of that, doug? >> the question is compared to what. the medicaid -- it is -- i'm saying you can't believe that we're going to have medicaid as it is. and on current law. if you look at the individual insurance score in there, cbo is assuming that the affordable care act, individual market will expand by 30% over the next ten years. we have insurers fleeing that market right now, we have a third of all counties with one choice, we got six states with only one insurer. there is no way that's the right comparison point. look at the bill and compare it to the real future and see a much different scenario. >> there is a vox chart on the internet now.
$33 billion in tax cut for the highest income households. that affects 725,800 enrollees. tax cut for 400 high income households compared to expansion of coverage for three quarters of a million people. jonathan? >> so doug's argument about tax cuts is like george bush's coalition of the willing, there were three polish soldiers so we claimed we had other countries par participating. a little bit will benefit the middle class, lower health insurance premium, but that's ridiculous. vast majority to the wealthiest americans. if doug really cares, if we really care about addressing medicaid and lowering the deficit, why are we giving the money back in tax cuts to the wealthy. if we think medicaid is an out of control program, which it is
not. it has grown more slowly, it is an efficient program, we're not in crisis, if you believe we are, why aren't we putting that towards lowering the deficit? why are we giving it back in a massive tax cut, 400 families get the money that could provide health insurance for 750 million hard working americans who don't get health insurance on their jobs. >> if you want to see more of that chart, more of that story from vox, it is on my twitter page. jonathan gruber and douglas holtz, thank you for joining me. one more thing for you courtesy of john oliver. that's coming up next.
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we have got one more thing before we go. it is a good one this time. john oliver, always a good one, this one is particularly good. hbo's john oliver offered his take on president trump's tale of the tapes. >> there is a smart way to make sure he stayed honest in those hearings. >> well, it wasn't -- it wasn't very stupid, i can tell you that. >> wow. it wasn't very stupid. let's break down what just happened there. first, world class reporting, fox news. you really held his feet to the fire there. second, he seemed justifiably taken off guard by that compliment. and, third, think about what he just said. he didn't just casually admit to misleading the american public, he also implied that doing so may have swayed comey's testimony, which if that was his
intent could constitute witness tampering and then he implied he made comey tell the truth about their conversations, seemingly verifying comey's account which is incredibly damaging to the president. so, yes, he might actually be right, it was extraordinarily stupid. >> no comment. that's where we'll leave you for this hour and this monday. i'm katy tur in los angeles. you might wonder why i'm here. i had the honor of presenting andrea mitchell at the l.a. press club last night. andrea, i didn't bother going through all your many accomplishments because it would have taken the entire night. i did note that no matter what you always had our backs here at nbc news and reminder, we will always have your back as well. andrea mitchell, thank you very much. ali velshi picks things up from new york. i can't promise i'll always have your back, i'm sorry. >> an droo deserdrea deserves i.
we'll leave it at that. she's amazing. you're amazing. >> join me at 5:00 eastern, i'll be doing "meet the press daily". >> we'll be back. katy tur have a great afternoon. we'll see her in a couple of hours. i'm ali velshi. we're tracking the latest on the senate's health care bill. a new version of the bill released today with minor changes. we're also waiting for the nonpartisan congressional budget office to put out its highly an fats ee ee ee eed anticipated markup of the bill. so far, these five republicans senators are opposed to the bill as it is written. also keeping an eye on a number of other senators, eight to nine of them who are currently undecided. some of whom are expressing concern about the bill. >> i'm very concerned about the cost of insurance for older people, with serious chronic illnesses. and the impact of the