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wanted it replaced with something that meets the same needs will be. it shouldn't surprise us they will not be the same people. that's "hardball." "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in --" >> this will be great if we get it done. if we don't get it done, it will be something that we won't like. >> the republican attempt on jam a health care bill through the senate for now. >> we will not be on the bill this week. >> tonight the up-hill child for republicans. >> even trump voters the don't like it. >> but the bill isn't over yet. >> this is not over. the house bill died by a two-vote majority. and it came back to haunt with us an even worse bill. >> then the white house really wants the russia investigation to go away. >> we've been going on this russia-trump hoax for the better part of a year now.
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>> and things get heated in the white house briefing room. the president is right and everybody else out here is faking it. and everybody out here is only trying to do their job. >>" all in" starts now. >> evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. there will be no vote this week on the senate republican health care bill. mitch mccontinental's audacious strategy of ramming it through senate in one week has failed after the bill proved unable to withstand a little more than just five days of public scrutiny. in the wake of the cbo score yesterday, showing the bill would leave 22 million more people uninsured by 2026, the legislation has continued to hemorrhage support. by this morning, at least five republican senators announced they opposed advancing the bill to the floor. more than enough to stop it in its tracks. despite last-ditch efforts by the white house chief of staff to rangel the votes, they pulled
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the bill this afternoon. >> we're going to continue the discussions within our conference on differences that we have that we're continuing to try to litigate. subsequently, we will not be on the bill this week. but we're still working toward getting at least 50 people in a comfortable place. >> it was only after the vote was delayed that a handful of other senators including these three announced they opposed the current bill. now we've been somewhere like this before. after the first house bill fell back in march and the public attention wandered elsewhere, that's when the back room dealing began in earnest. are they were celebrating in the rose garden. this time democrats are sounding the alarm. >> this is not over. do not be misled.
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the house bill died by a two-vote majority or something and it came back to haunt us. >> good news is they didn't have the votes to pass it today. but they'll be trying to pass it over the next few weeks. >> we know that leader mcconnell will try to use a slush fund to buy off republicans, cut back room dealings to try to get this thing done. >> at the end of the week, lawmakers head home for a week-long recess. and during that time, all kinds of side deals will be on the table. it contains over $200 billion in extra savings compared to the house version. that means $200 billion at mitch mcconnell's disposal as he tries to woo the remaining holdouts. the deal making has already begun. >> he headed over to talk health
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care policy. >> this will be great if we get it double. if we don't get it double, it is something we the won't like. that's okay and i understand that very well. but i think we have a chance to do something very, very important for the public. very, very important for the people of our country that we love. >> and joining me now, chris murphy, this process, this attempt to do this unprecedented feat. craft a bill in senate. it the didn't quite get there. why not? >> it didn't get there because this was a dumpster fire of a bill. it is amazing after six years of channelli channelling repeal and replace, they didn't have any idea, it would raise rates by 20%, and this is certainly a temporary
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victory. it is important because this was mitch mcconnell's nightmare. he didn't want it to go a day beyond friday of this week. it is like a rotting fish. the longer it is out there, the more it is going to stink. i won't be easier when they get back to pass this bill. he has the slush fund. he will try to buy votes. but the american public will have more time to find out what this is. >> i thought this was very, very interesting. lisa murkowski of alaska. dead silent. then they were saying, by the way, i was against that bill. what do you make of that? >> not exact it will examples of history making courage. i think they knew if it would get pulled, they should at least
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get credit for being against and it i think they want to be in a position to get something for their yes vote when we come back after the break. the danger here is that the expectations are so low, 22 million people, that's a humanitarian catastrophe. if they come back and have a cbo score that says they only uninsure 15 million people, that those senators you mention condition say they've gotten a victory. we have to remind people that the republicans, including those senators, promised they would replace obamacare with something better. not something worse. the expectations game will be really important. >> i want to get your opinion on this. she seemed to have a willness to work democrats in a genuinely collaborative fashion. >> you still have folks had your choouks want to repeal obamacare root and branch.
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you have other folks saying maybe there's a way to work with democrats. would you be a proponent of trying to work across the aisle to make fixes as opposed to starting over? >> absolutely. when did we get to the point we won't talk about a fix. we should be working our colleagues in the other chamber. >> he said he would get to 50. is there any constituency? >> yeah, he peeked out of the closed door meeting, saw that this bill didn't have support. shut the doors and they're back to their secret negotiations. it is a real shame that this can't happen. it is not good for this country to have 1/5 of our economy be a ping pong ball.
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and maybe republicans look at what they want. maybe they'll pass a bill that strips away the affordable care act. but maybe we'll be in a single payer system. i would be. better to sit down and create joint ownership. talk about kernels and see if we can get something that works for both of us. right now, i don't think it is a prospect. i think mitch mcconnell has decided to go back to the secret negotiations and that means we'll be on the outside shouting at the door. >> thank you. i'm joined by the republican from new york who voted against the house version of the health care bill. i wanted to talk to you about this. you voted against house bill. it was even more truncated. do you think anything good can come of this? >> i think your previous guests
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said it all. we can have a health care bill that's republican or democrat. the affordable care act was passed without one republican vote. the house bill was passed without one democratic vote. nothing was done yet in the senate. they know it is being negotiated. but we can have a health care policy for our country that changes every time residents of 1600 avenue changes. it is not fair to consumers and patients and families. it is not fair to health care providers or insurance companies. it should be an american issue. >> so here is what susan collins said. she wants to work with the democrats. it is not the rhetoric of repeal he. it does seem to me, when i look at it, there is some stuff that targets stabilizing the individual markets and the exchanges that i think you can get 75% of votes in both houses
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for. that seems to me a big problem. people are really concerned about it. it does seem like there are things in the republican bills, if you focused on that, you can pass. >> i think there are things in the bill that both sides can agree on. and the solution may be, that you have to break it apart so the american public sees me progress. some movements toward a better health care system than we have now. my position has been that we have to help the people at the affordable care act harmed. there are people paying astronomical premiums, co-pays, and they can afford health care. at the same time, the affordable care act help people who didn't have health care coverage before west should help the people harmed by the affordable care act and at the same time not harm the people who were helped. >> that's a good standard. i should note the cbo said people paying out of pocket costs will pay more. i want to ask but one particular
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part of this bill that i'm fascinated with. it is the buffalo buyout. it is essentially a deal to change the calculation of medicaid funding. vis-a-vis property faxes would cut taxes for four or five members of congress but then push that burden to every one else including people living in new york city and staten island. the people you represent. your colleagues in your state caucus give them the shaft. here is the thing, it is in the senate bill. >> i don't know how it survived. they were looking at it to see if it was germane. listen, i don't begrudge my colleagues for representing people that sent them to washington. this is good for their constituents. it is bad for mine. it is one of the reasons i voted
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no. and i predicted our governor has to make up the 2.3 billion deficit that the state would have a short fall in medicaid payments. today he announce that had he would go to albany and ask for a tax that would increase taxes on people who make up the difference. and i have asked the governor to except the people of new york city from increase. we're already paying our share. >> that's probably good politics for your constituents. what it says to me, that deal got into the senate bill. all the talk about the plans for the senate and force you to pass countial down to every letter without conference committee. the only reason for that, your deal, the house deal to be in that senate deal, is because that's what they're planning on doing. >> it may well be. everything that they do over in the senate bill. when that comes back here, we
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had 217 member that's voted for the house version. we can't afford to lose anyone. so any changes are made, you're taking a chance that you might get on to 217 of the capital. >> thank you for your time. joining me now, haley bird and matt fuller, congressional reporter for the "washington post." you've been doing fantastic work. so you are really on the pulse of the house bill. what is your current determination? >> well, it is obvious. he doesn't have the votes. i think you laid it out pretty well. you look at who you have. you can only lose two votes. you have decent heller off the top saying he is against the bill. you have susan collins who says it is unlikely, as if she really can't support this or really just won't. then from there you have a bunch
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of conservatives who have their own set of issues. mitch mcconnell, john cornyn. they ran them off and said dhoek this. losing rand paul and susan collins. well, he really threw it into chaos. now you have these other senators. the medicaid expansion, there is really no impetus to support the bill. >> so the, mike lee, rand paul objections, how overcomable do you see those? and how rigid are they? mike lee put down a marker and said there has to be a state option the entireliment on out. if guaranteed issues. all these popular protections. do you think he will stick to it? >> that's a good question.
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i think as we saw in the house, the house freedom caucus and conservatives started out from that far right position of wanting all 12 aca mandates repealed, or at least for the states to do so. as negotiations went on, meadows and the freedom caucus ended up settling for community rating sand essential health benefits. rand paul and mike lee have both indicated in some form or fashion that the house bill, if it was put on the senate floor, might not have been conservative enough for them. so that's a concern. >> like lee's marker is even more radical than what the meadows over whee the mcarthur amendment in the house. states can get out of these he benefits which are also pretty popular. so you're saying, they already were saying that's not enough. what were you saying? >> that's really, if that's the case, that's kind of the ball game here. if you take collins and heller
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at their word. lisa murkowski has made the pre-existing conditions part of her problems, as well as the alaska specific issues. then others who have the same issues. a lot of republicans campaigned on the fact we want to repeal obamacare but keep the pre-existing conditions. including the president himself. >> this is why i thought ron johnson's ad was interesting. he called for revoking the pre-existing conditions provisions. >> his position is the pre 2009 system. the only problem with that position is he made it clear that he'll vote, if it is incrementally better. he is one of those, extremely gettable. not someone that i would count on at the end of the day. is ron johnson going to hold
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this off? he won't be the one that sinks it. >> all right. thank you both. coming up with the health care vote, postponed until after recess. republicans head home to their home states to face their voters. how if guests book direct ater, and stay twice they'll get a $50 gift card? summertime. badda book. badda boom. got you a shirt! ...i kept the receipt... book now at
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office over the recess. >> we're going to use the rest of this week to work on what it takes on come to consensus. it will make it better than it is today and then have it scored so when we do come back from the break, we can proceed. he joining me now, everyone is watching this with baited breath. what comes next? >> to be honest, this is just the beginning. while senator mcconnell doesn't believe he has the votes today, it doesn't mean he won't have the votes two weeks from now. so people have to keep speaking out. telling their stories. being heard and fighting for what's best for their families. the infamous town halls in 2009 around the affordable care act, how much does that pressure matter? does it make a difference in
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your calculation? >> it really matters. when you're hearing constantly from your could not is it the bentz something is good or bad, your job is to represent them. showing up at town halls, showing up outside members of congress's offices, making the phone calls, i read those letters from the senate floor when i was talking about different nominees i was voting against and sharing what my constituents felt about these nominees. it informs our judgment. when something is as important as health care, that has such a significant impact on families' lives, on the ability to survive. these the moments when you cannot stay silent. you do need to speak out. it is why the republicans did not have the votes they needed to pass this bill. >> what do you say to people who say, we've been here before. they did this in the house and went behind closed doors and they made the bill from points' perspectives worse. they're going to come back and do this again. to people had think it is a fait
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acompli, what do you say? >> we are as vulnerable to that as they were. so please continue over advocate for what you believe in. and what's necessary. >> i mean, just to be clear. people who are defeated, people that think, they're going on get the votes. mcconnell knows what they're doing and they're going to knuckle sxunld there's nothing we can do. >> nothing is ever over until it's over. so honestly, the only time democracy ever works is when regular people stand up and demand action. that's something the american people have been doing since the inauguration. since the women's march. men and women have been standing up, fighting hard and pushing back on policy that's are harmful to our country, to our values. so people to have keep speaking out. and not grow tired and not grow weary and not give up. if they do, they will lose.
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it is up to the american people to fight back. >> do you think, there is a timing issue here. it is always unclear to me. this process breaks my brain when i try to figure out where we are. they have a limited runway. at some point, they ram it through with 50 plus one. >> they will run out of time at some point. what they need for their states. i think we are as vulnerable as we were last week. so we have to keep fighting and keep pushing back. if you notice the members who have said no, teeth ultra conservative members. people like rand paul, ted cruz, mike lee, or the moderate members like susan collins or lisa murkowski. those members really do listen to their constituents. and they know their states very,
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very well. so when people are protesting, showing up at town halls, speaking up about how this will harm their families. if you listen to what they've said, they're worried about rolling back medicare. how many seniors, howl individuals who won't be able to afford insurance because they have pre-existing conditions. these are real families. real lives. so speaking out to them makes a difference the medicaid cuts are big. thanks for joining us. joining me now, senior adviser, national spokesperson. what have you lesharned? >> what we've learned is that we cannot be complacent. we have to keep our foot on the gas. we saw what happened in the house. the public scrutiny went away. and then we didn't hear anything for a while. we thought it was over. and then the thing, what you saw
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was, they were breaking, making deals behind the scenes and they rammed it through. so we have to be really, really vigilant here. it's not over. we need folks to go to events. some of them will be too chicken. go to to their office. make sure your voice is heard. tell your story. there will be fourth of july parades that they'll go to. make sure you show up with your do not take my health care away. they need to continue to make calls. we flooded their lines these past two weeks. it is working clearly. >> compare the metrics. i know you keep track of this sort of thing. had are you seeing the kinds of engagement you saw in the first round? >> absolutely. what happens is that we dragged this bill into the spotlight. and once that happened and
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people started to see how awful and how cruel this bill was, their voices start to lift up. people started to call and say, what is this? folks continue to call and protest. and we have protests all across the country in different cities. so we were able to scrutinize this bill. then it bail a problem. >> in some ways, that shows that mcconnell in certain ways, from a purely tactical perspective, wasn't making a terrible bet. it did seem to me the secrecy shrouding for the first several weeks of the process, really did help. it was hard to get people engag engaged, we would do the secret bill. do you think they can go back underground now? >> that's the fear. i think they will go back underground.
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mitch mcconnell had take every day from now until he brings the vote to use that slush fund, that $188 billion to dole out, some of these republicans on the fence that have said no to this and try on buy their votes. we have to continue to fight and be vigilant. >> sow me what's so important is the dean heller thing. that's the person who is the most exposed politically. he has listened to his constituents and i think it is an indicator to folks who think, the rules of politics are suspended. they still do exist to a certain extent. and he has governor saying the same thing. no. you can't do this.
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it is very important. he was getting pressure from his constituents and the republican governor. >> we'll see what happens. thank you very much. coming up, eric swalwell on what they have to learn in the russia probe as they start on play offense. when you're close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment? if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you a chance at completely clear skin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques. in fact, 4 out of 10 even achieved completely clear skin. do not use if you are allergic to taltz. before starting you should be checked for tuberculosis. taltz may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them.
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president trump and his team are going on offense on the russia investigation. part of that counter attack is to declare all of it fake news. >> the constant barrage of fake news directed at this president probably that has garnered a lot of his frustration. we've been going on this hoax
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with the better part of a year now. i think you can take it straightforward that this administration disagrees with all the stories that claim that the president and his campaign colluded with russia in any capacity. i think he's been extremely clear that he believes that's a hoax. >> joining never now, eric swalwell, we just got news a few minutes ago, and i don't know how up to date you are. that apparently roger stone who is a friend and an adviser of the president, once worked for him in a certain capacity will be testifying before your committee. >> well, that's by roger stone's own lawyer. nothing that has been released yet from the house intelligence committee. it is no secret that he is an individual relevant to this investigation. once all documents are received. >> we want to proceed as fast as
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we can to get to the bottom of it. this has brought washington to a halt. the way the president has addressed this investigation. i think the sooner we tell the american people what happened and make sure it doesn't happen again, the better off we'll be. >> what do you say to the president, this has been going on forever. it is a hoax. >> it hasn't been going on fore. he has not been in office for much more than six months. he is just approaching the six-month march. to go through the complicated financial transactions to try to track down foreign witnesses over a significant period of time, it takes time. i'm an impatient person. i want to get this done yesterday. i want to make sure whatever we get double, in the president's favor or not, that we did a thorough job, and that he
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dishsly burgs it is the final sign-off. >> so there's some news faye really element out to me. about paul man a fort, the chairman at a crucial time. a million dollars over two years from a political party that dominated ukraine before its leader fled to russia in 2014. how long are you allowed to go before you retroactively file as a foreign agent? >> that's a lot of money where i come from. and that's a pattern of this administration. michael flynn, as you know, retroactively filed as a foreign agent as well. >> for turkey, we should note, not russia. >> that's right. and to be fair to mr. manafort,
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it was with ukraine but pro russian individuals in ukraine. so again, just as tillerson what they did, telling us what they did when it was launched. that will also inform us. >> i guess my question is, you can work for a foreign government, as foreign agent, and not contemporaneously report. and then three years later say in 2014, by the buy, i happened to be on the pay roll of a foreign government? >> and again, that is a factor that will go to intent, chris. and also, it also, it tells us, it shines the light on what the relationships were that the trump team had. and i want to add, unless we were thoughtful and aggressive with trying on understand the relationship that's donald trump and his team and his family and his businesses had with russia and pro russia forces, none of
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thing one tonight. the story of an australian biotech company called innate therapeutics. as reported in december, the australian drug maker has powerful backers in washington despite being a tiny pharmaceutical company from australia that has no approved drugs and noback from flashy
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vent you are capital firms. in fact, the largest board member is none other than chris couplens. but his relationship to the country has raised red flags for months. he served on trump's transition was overheard in january bragging about making millionaires of a lot of people talking about the stock. during his confirmation hearing, he was grilled about purchasing it which he bought at a discounted rate and saw it triple before selling it. in i am a, the daily beast reported that he wrote completion could help companies like it expedite approval. it was reported that he was under a federal investigation by the office of congressional ethics, and that four other house members bought stock in that same australian coil. today significant update. not about the ethics investigation but about the stock price itself.
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it has been quite a week for a tiny pharmaceutical company named innate. today it appears unlikely it will happen after reporting the latest test in australia have failed. sending the company's stock into absolute freefall. the price dropped more than 92% to just 5 cents a share. the long time backer, chris collins, reportedly took nearly $17 million bath as the stock bottomed out. he is currently under investigation by the congressal ethics office for potential insider trading and for allegedly encouraging colleagues to guy stock. he called it disappointing but said all who invested were aware of the inherent risk.
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the president has always found it useful to frame the press as the enemy of the people even as he has obsessively poured over his own print and tv coverage. but lately, reporters are further into the russian interference in the 2016 election and possible ties to his campaign. today is part of a multitweet tirade. a now retracted store it. they caught cnn cold. what with nbc, cbs and abc? what about the failing "new york times" and "washington post"? they're all fake news. >> sarah huckabee sanders used the opportunity to attack the media as a whole. at least until one reporter decide he had had enough. >> if we make the slightest mistake, the slight he was word is off, it is just an absolute tirade from a lot of people in
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this room. but news outlets get to go on day after day and cite unnamed sources, use stories without sources, the you mentioned the story where they had to have reporters resign. >> come on. you're inflaming everybody right here right now with those stories. this administration has done that as well. why in the name of heavens, any one of us are replaceable, if we don't get it right, the audience has the opportunity to turn the channel or not read us. you have been elected to serve for four years at least. there's no option other than that. we're here to ask you questions and you're here to provide the answers. what you just did is inflammatory to people all over the country who say see, one again. the president is right and everybody else is fake media. and everybody in this room is only trying to do their job. >> this is one of the people in that room today.
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at johnson's we care about safety as much as you do. that's why we meet or exceed 15 global regulations for baby products. and where standards differ, we always go with the toughest. johnson's. everybody else out here is fake media. everyone in this room is only trying to do their job. >> i disagree completely. first of all, if anything has inflamed, it's the dishonesty that often takes place by the news media. i it's it's outrageous for you
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to accuse me of inflaming a story when i was simply trying to respond to his question. charlie pierce writer at large. olivia you were in that room live tweeting it. aside from that sort of confrontation, there was also the fact that she went to a bunch of reporters from conservative outlets, the question that kicked off the briefing was fair, the one by lifezette was not. does all russia reporting need to be reviewed and perhaps retracted now? >> thank you for reading my tweets. obviously the white house communications department is going to select questions from time to time from outlets or select outlets who they think will ask them questioning to allow them to talk about what they want to talk about.
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that's why live selected the man from lifezette today. the briefings have been off the camera for the last week or so consistently. there hasn't even been audio. why did they choose to do this today? why did they choose to have the briefing on camera today? they thought the cnn retraction shun was a good opportunity to talk about what they wanted to talk about, the idea on all reporting on russia is therefore illegitimate, which is a ridiculous premise, but they were hoping -- but the rest of the country and people stop taking these stories seriously. >> charlie, all politicians and reporters have an adver sale relationship, sometimes incredibly testing. i live in a city where the mayor and the press corps are pretty much at each other's throats all the time. this very much seemed to me to want to fight with the press, because they don't have the democrats to blame, because they
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have the majority on all gochts. hillary is not runningia enmore, barack obama is gone, so the press it seems to be a kind of stand-in, the opponent they can point to, have you ever seen anything quite like this before? >> no. i was about to mention that it got really bad in the nixon white house, if you read tim krouse's terrific "boys on the bus." of course, reporters being reporters, that never happened, but it seems to me now that we're descending into something close to asymmetric warfare. the white house has declared war on cnn right now. if cnn doesn't know this and doesn't get itself d'd up, it would be in a lot of trouble. the media, including people like me, if we're not going to defend ourselves, nobody else is. >> yeah, that is i think the key point here, is that part of the
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problem is that the white house can asymmetrically engage in media outlets in a way that sends a signal to a certain percentage of the country, 35% of the country, maybe less, that that outlet is the enemy, the outlet themselves can't control that. that's a choice made by the white house itself. you're seeing olivia, you're seeing that play out. >> right. it's sort of an impossible position. even though the white house is acting as though cnn or nbc or any of the other networks that they're talking about in trump's tweets are the enemy, the media can't retaliate and say, yes, we are the enemy, because that's just not something that anyone would do, right? we have to continue to treat the president fairly and report on him as if we're not in this bizarro situation. we can't say yes, the white house is our enemy. typically they are not. we've never been here before and there are no rules in place for
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how to deal with a situation like this. even with the briefings, people keeping say just turn the camera, record the audio, release the audio if they won't allow it, but the question is, is this the hill you want to die on this early? it's different, reporters being reporters, to get everyone together to decide on some specific tactic. the presses too vast, too fragmented for all of us to say we're going to turn the cameras on today anyway or rod it anyway. the white house is benefiting from the white house we have never been in this position before, and we don't have a set of rules in place to handle it. >> i thought i found it -- today there's big news in the country that the health care bill that was polled, lead-worthy news of any outlet, liberate, conservative, and i wanted to over to drudge and it was about cnn. i went over to and it was barack obama is taking too many fancy vacations.
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i went over to breitbart, it was also about jeff zucker and the media. it just seems striking to me, i don't think it's a coincidence these two things are happening at the same time. >> oh, no, it absolutely isn't. people get their marching orders and they know exactly where to march. i would slightly disagree with olivia. i think the first network that turns its camera on in defiance of white house orders number one will be meyer personal heroes and role model, but number two will get some wonderful, exclusive video of shawn spider hurling himself on the camera lens or something. but that's what i mean by responding asymmetrically to an asymmetric attack. the problem with that, olivia, to your point, that puts you in a position where you have allowed yourself to play the role that's been carved out by the white house. >> you immediately look like the
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enemy, but the question is, is there a way to handle it to play by that you are riles, which is that there are no rules? i'm not sure of the answer on that. >> the rules do seem out the window at this point. thank you for joining me. that's all for this evening. good evening, rachel. don't you think that would be the next name of the great "out the window." >> literally. >> at the end every hour i jump out the window. i don't like that part of it. >> it's a trampoline, like a bit. >> i got it. thanks, my friend. if anybody does that, i want a producer credit. \s we didn't know this was going to happen on tuesday, but this has turned into a huge night in practical american politics. after a


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