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think. i'll be hitting up facebook after the show to respond to all of your comments, including yours stephanie ruhle, here to take it over with ali velshi as well. >> let's go deep. that picture on a day when during health care reform bipartisanship is in need -- >> you're taking it to a new level. >> it's about a coming together. this girl is deep. hey there, good morning, everybody i'm stephanie ruhle in d.c. >> and i'm ali rel she velshi i york. >> after months of legal fighting the trump administration will implement the president's travel ban. >> reporter: the specifics of the new guidelines are still unknown. >> politico said the secretary of state unleashed his anger at the white house staffer. >> what rex tillerson did was way overdo. >> with a great health care
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package. >> what do you mean by big surprise? >> i think you'll have a great surprise. >> the president is definitely engag engaged. what matters most, fixing obamacare or repealing obamacare? >> repealing o bamacare matters and having health care coverage for american citizens matters. we're willing to be flexible. america will be happy with what we give them. >> i have not spoken to mitch mcconnell and heard him say democrats don't want to work with them. it's not factual and accurate. >> mr. trump's campaign already gearing up for 2020 closed door event. no cameras allowed. nearly $10 million raised. >> we're going to dig deeper into those stories ahead and more of my absolute interview with former president much goldman sachs gary cohn, his comments on health care and jobs and taxes minutes away. >> i'm dying to hear that conversation, 're looking forward to that.
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les begin though with president trump's controversial travel ban, large portions of it are now set to take effect this evening at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. it follows the supreme court decision which clears the way for now. who is banned for the next 90 days? let me look at this with you on my trusty board which i'm putting five bucks on the fact it's going to work. what did i tell you? taking it back at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. this travel ban affects people from six predominantly muslim countries, libya, sudan, iran and syria, unless they have an exemption. who's allowed in? those people with close family members already in the united states, parents, children, son-in-laws and daughters in law and siblings. who's not allowed? if you're coming in because you have a fiance, both ways of spelling that, grandparents, grandchildren, aunts and uncles and nieces and cousins and other extended family. these people being in the united
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states do not qualify you to come from these countries. you're allowed in if you have family ties and business ties. you're studying at the university or employed by an university. if you don't have those three things, you're likely not allowed in unless you have some role you've been active with t u.s.ilitary in helping the military or coalition particularly in iraq. let me give you a sense of how many people come to america from those banned countries now. there have been 20,000 temporary visa visits which were authorized in 2015. 12,205, the overwhelming majority are students, 5 h. 643 are business travelers, 883 are temporary workers and just 669 were spouses, children, fiances of u.s. citizens, this is how it all breaks down for the people who are coming in. that ban goes into effect at 8:00 p.m. and barring court activity stays in place for 90
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days. the supreme court will hear this case in fall to determine its merits over the longer term. stephanie. >> clearly ali velshi this is frustrating for people of the likes of aclu. this guy has the big job, i had a chance to sit down with president trump's chief economic adviser gary cohn, and he had candid comments on the health care battle and all going on there and the frustrations going on at the white house reportedly boiling over these days. you've got to see this politico piece if you haven't yet, i beg you to read it. reporting that secretary of state rex tillerson quote, exploded last friday, unleashing his anger with jared kushnernd chief of staff reince priebus in the room according to litico, the secretary of state yelled about damaging leaks from the white house and the torpedoing of hand picked nominees and a source close said rex is a
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65-year-old guy who worked his way up from the bottom of exxon and he chafs at the idea of taking orders from a 38-year-old political operative. the report said kushner called tillerson's outburst unprofessional and urged the chief of staff to find a solution and more turmoil, wilbur ross gets uncertificaemoy cut off when, it went it little too long. he was going after trade between the two countries and audience laughed and right now james mattis is in brus sels for an important meeting of nato defense ministers who he has taken to task for. our pentagon correspondent joins us live from brussels. tell us about the meeting there, hans nichols. james mattis has been an ally to rex tillerson so far, i'm guessing rex is at least calling
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him, look what i got myself into. >> reporter: what we know right now, there's a meeting taking place between sretary mattis and nato defense ministers and they are hungry for information, r details on how many troops the u.s. will a demand get sent to afghanistan and b contribute themselves because early this morning we heard from the secretary general of nato he said there would be a few thousand more troops for the nato mission in afghanistan but no one here knows what that is going to be. what we've heard from other defense ministers, he's not telegraphing and giving specifics and indicating to them, they won't get hard numbers on how many additional american troops will be sent to afghanistan until they complete this strategy review in the end of july. >> afghanistan, this has been years. do you have an update on the claim we heard earlier from the
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white house that the syrian government appeared to be planning chemical attacks, have they said anything? >> reporter: from brussels, claimed credit that it stopped any chemical attack and what they say they see on the intelligence, this activity and we're not quite certain what they are seeing, they like to be cagey -- they have said this does not actually take place and they are staying that as a victory. >> you've got to tell us a little bit more. we heard vladimir putin and president trump will meet on the sidelines next week. we know the g-20 is happening in hamberg, germany. what have you learned? >> if two presidents want a sideline summit they can have a meeting. you see it here at nato and have the sideline meetings where leaders get together. sometimes they can be tense remember it was president obama who pulled putin aside and said
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knock it off, cut it out in terms of meddling in the u.s. election process. there are other opportunities to almost jump into a meeting you're not invited to. if these two leaders want to sit down or have a stand-up conversation on the sidelines of a g-20, there will be ample opportunity for it. that's where the meetings are fun. news happens on the sidelines and summits and happens with the final press conference, we'll hear from secretary mattis here in about four to five hours wrapping everything up, we'll see if we get clarity, a jet flying overhead, i don't think it's a military one. i'll send it back to you and won't give you a quiz on the flags behind us but i'm dying to give it to ali because there's one behind me that has an eagle in and i think you know it because you know your flags. >> unfortunately we're using very modern form of transmission that made them a little blurry, i can see the colors more than anything else. i'll take you up on that after your honorary flyover is over. that's what i like about hans, he gets a flyover.
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stephanie, one of the advantages that mattis has in his conversations with tillerson about how things are going, tillerson is having his budget cut dramatically. the state department -- a lot of people object to the fact that soft power is being cut from the proposed budget and tillerson is getting a very big increase -- mattis is getting a big increase at defense. tillerson doesn't not only have has staff but department cut and importance being pulled from the state department. >> let's dig into this a bit more. in the associated rex tillerson, a 65-year-old guy but he is. this is an eagle scout who spent his entire career working his wa up the ranks at exxon-mobil. he's not somebody who even as a ceo accustomed to talking to the media. he talked to the boy scouts of america more than he did the business news. he finds hemself in the white house, he said early on his wife wanted him to take the job and he has been in the crosshairs
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with jared kushner, given assignments more like the de facto secretary of state and reince priebus blocked him appointing people ambassadorships and he has a skeletal staff. it's not necessarily a surprise that this circus we've heard about has him fired up. >> and in 2017, in the world we're in, the relationship between the president and secretary of state has got to be such that you probably can't slide a piece of paper between them. we don't have that right now. to jared kushner's benefit if they told him they have to work it out, they should work it out one way or the other or there will have to be another solution. >> i sat down with another man in the white house, a guy with a lot of executive experience, gary cohn of the national economic council. he says america will be happy with the final outcome on health care. his xlut interview with me next. >> and before we go to break, president trump is up and
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tweeting about msnbc this morning. he sena pretty vulgar tweet abo mika b mika brzezinski. >> your tweet was beneath the office and represents what is wrong with politics not the greatness of america. ben sass tweeting, this isn't normal and beneath the dignity of your office. this is our response, it's a sad day for america when the president spends his time bullying and lying and spewing petty personal attacks instead of doing his job. the pain can really be a distraction.
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>> welcome back, everyone, to a special edition of "velshi & ruhle." live in new york at msnbc he headquarters and my buddy stephanie ruhle is in washington, d.c. >> i got a chance to sit down for an exclusive interview with the chief economic adviser and director of the national economic council, spearheading energy week, former head of goldman sachs, gary cohn. we covered a lot of ground and dug into -- you'll see. >> has people so energized obviously health care. the senate bill as it stands according to the cbo report, 22 million people will end up uninsured, this is polling in the teens and there's campaign promises that aren't met. if it goes through, will the white house sign it?
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>> first of all, thanks very much for having me today. when you say if it goes through will the white house sign it, as you know the white house has been working nonsp with the senate to come up with a health care bill that the senate can pass and we can sign. we are very actively involved. we think we're going to get to a place where we and the senate can agree on a health care bill. >> can you sign something that cuts medicaid. you yourself have said if you're on medicaid you're not going to lose it. there's people who are going to lose it. >> we'll have to see what the final piece of legislation that comes out to the senate looks like. we really want to get health care done. i think the president has shown you how much personal commitment he has and personal time he's willing to spend on getting health care done. he had the senators over to the white house two days ago to spend time talking with them, trying to help them work out their differences. he's permly involved and wants to get it involved and it's important to him and his administration. >> he invited them over but
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brass tax, do they actually get to that much? when i look at this thing and say hold on a second, moderate republicans want you to cut out you're going to have tax breaks in there, tax breaks for the rich. you're a tax cut guy. if i had to choose what i'm going to do in here, if you cut taxes maybe that will spur economic growth. but in terms of risk management is maybe spurring economic growth better than protecting the millions of people on medicaid? >> well, stephanie, we have multiple issues we're trying to solve we can't solve every issue in the health care bill. we're going to tackle taxes. yes, we'd love to cut some of the taxes that are in the obamacare bill. that would be a great thing to do. if we can't cut them in the obamare bill, we're still actively involve in tax and tax legislat what we do know and we do know this for sure is that obamacare is failing. we know there are many counties in this country that do not have an insurer. we know that premiums continue
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to go up and people are not getting what they thought they were going to get. the president is committed to fixing this. >> then if the most important thing to do is fix it and give everybody health care, is the answer that you're committed to must be repeal? lindsey graham said if it doesn't go through we have to get to a bipartisan place and that's only if it's a fix not a repeal. name matters to some but not all. what matters mix, fixing obamacare or repealing obamacare? >> repealing obamacare matters and having health care coverage for american citizens matters. how we get there? we're willing to be flexible but we know obamacare doesn't work so we have to repeal that. we know we have to end up in a situation where americans have access to health care. >> if i make $20,000 a year, talk about access, talk about choices if i make $20,000 a year and i'm a mom, access and choices aren't in my vocabulary. when you have to get real, is
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this thing real? you have to get it through if you want to get to tax reform in september. >> we are doing what we can the president is committed, spending as much time as he can on the phone, working with senators and working in legislation. the vice president is equally committed. we are committed to getting health care and providing health care for american citizens that works, forgiving american citizens the product they want, not the product that washington thinks they should have. >> then given where it's polling, is that what america wants? >> america will be happy with what we givethem. they are going to have a product they can buy and product that's going to be cheaper. it's going to be a product that they get to taylor for their needs. >> let's talk tax reform. if this thing doesn't go through right now, are you going to get to tax reform in september? >> we're absolutely getting to tax reform. >> why do you think that? >> we were going to get to tax reform if this passes or doesn't pass. we are on a tax reform agenda when we come back in september and august recess is over.
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we will be 100% engaged in tax reform. >> when i look at your projections, it would be great if we had 3% gdp but that's a goal not a baseline. you come from goldman and based your models on actuality, not a goal. is that lofty and risky, look at the kansas experiment, trickle down economics failed there. >> we do not think 3% gdp is that lofty of a goal. >> where is that coming from? >> very realistic expectations if you think where we've been in the last eight years, muddling around 2%, either side of 2% gdp, we've done it in an environment where american business has been overregulated and highly regulated. businesses have been unable to expand banks have been unable to lend. >> gary, that's not true. >> it is true. >> banks have been able to lend, you yourself when you were the president of goldman said we have a stronger balance sheet
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than ever. banks don't have a lending problem. >> stephanie, how to you get a strong balance sheet? you hoard cash, you don't lend. the strongest balance sheet is a cash balance sheet. >> if goldman sachs, jp morgan aren't lending, they are lending. >> they are lending to the most credit worthy borrowers in the world. you don't expand the economy by lending to the top borrowers, you expd the economy by lending the smaller medium size businesses that are hiring people to grow their businesses. we all know that the very credit worthy borrowers in the world have access to capital and bank loans and capital markets. that's not where economic growth comes from. economic growth comes from this sole proprietier ha has ten employees to 30 employees. >> you think that -- >> they triple their employees. that's how you create employment growth. we know that. the facts are out there, small and medium sized businesses
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drive employment growth. >> they have not been able to get loans? >> they have not been able to get loans because the credit worthiness of those institutions doesn't score well enough for the highly regulated institutions to give them loans and they don't have access to the capital markets. >> we do need smart regulation, correct? >> of course we need smart regulation, we're very pro smart regulation, not anti-regulation, we're pro smart regulation that helps the economy grow and creates jobs. we're in job month. we've been in job month. every week of job month we talk about one very specific item in job month. we've talked about infrastructure and talked about workforce retaining and talked about technology. and this week is energy week. these are four areas of the u.s. economy where we think we can drive real job growth. >> gary cohn of the white house. ali velshi, while i appreciate his point we're only lending to
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the most credit worthy borrow borrowers, that's a good thing. when we weren't, that got us into the subprime process, loans have gone out to say they e not is an overstatement. we also ovste t growth of small busisses, we have many people in the republican party, the president at one point was talking about a border adjustment tax. think about the amount of people losing their jobs in retail. what a border adjustment tax would do to retailers to clothing manufacturers, kill it, absolutely kill it. >>. >> i want to continue to wish you a happy energy week. even his former employee, go goldman sachs does not share the optimism getting to 3% economic growth is easy. your point is important, if it's true that this administration in its work can get us to 3% economic growth, you and i and a lot of americans would wholeheartedly support that but -- >> without a doubt. it's kind of like my weight loss goals. i really plan to be 15 plans
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heavier but had it for decades and it's not working. >> you have to build your models based on a baseline -- >> and reality. >> it's a really risky proposition that they are getting into here. again, to his point where he said yes, since the crisis we have the strongest balance sheets ever, that's what you get for hoarding cash, hoarding cash also known as saving money. if you have money saved, you don't need to be bailed out. the bailout of banks is what made the banking industry the least trusted industry in the world. >> good interview, i think we got into real issues which is something you and i both prefer to get down to on a dly basis. credit to garycohn to getting to those topics with you. >> without a doubt, we covered a lot. right now we're watching capitol hill. house speaker paul ryan and homeland security secretary about to host a joint news conference. chris coons of delaware joins us, we'll get his take on
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the travel ban and russia investigation. stay with us.
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>> welcome back everyone to a very special edition of "velshi
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& ruhle." >> i'm ali rvelshi stuck at headquarters in new york. it could be a rough one as he head home for the july 4th break. we have four polls showing that americans are not happy with the senate's health care plan, check out the numbers, 16, 12, the fox poll gives 27% support to the senate health care plan. and the final one pbs at 17%. opposition as high as 58%. mitch mcconnell wants a revised version ready by tomorrow so the congressional budget office can review it over the july 4th recess, several republicans acknowledged yesterday they might have to work with democrats to get a bill through. can you imagine that? people from two different parties working on an important bi matters to the american people. minority leader chuck schumer says he's willing to make that happen. >> i'd make my friends on the republican side and president
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trump an offer, let's turn over a new leaf. let's start over. >> i want to bring in chris coons of delaware who serves on five committees. senator, ready to turn over a new leaf? >> absolutely, ali, we've been saying for months that democrats are willing and eager to work with republicans on finding ways to stabilize the health insurance markets and to strengthen the affordable care act. they first have to step back from the cuts to medicaid that driven down the approval ratings for trumpcare bill. as you noted, there have been republican governors from states as different as nevada and arizona, ohio and new hampshire out publicly opposing this bill. it's going to be very hard for republican senators this coming week, those who do go home to town halls to explain why they think this is the right path
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forward. i join senator chumer and other democrats in saying we need to take a fresh approach. i like the idea that senator john tester of montana was floating of a bipartisan commission that has 30 takes to figure out exactly what we need to do to strengthen and sustain the affordable care act -- >> i want to ask you, i hear you and think it sounds great and the idea is really good. i'm talking to a lot of your colleagues who say unless they take repeal obamacare off the table, democrats won't participate. my question to you, if you g a billhat strengthens what was in the affordable care act and it's a new bill and repeals the old one, why do you care what it's called and if the republicans get the win on repealing obamacare if you end up with a bill better than obamacare? >> we can strengthen the health insurance and shegt access system that the affordable care act made possible, that's my goal. to avoid semantics, what i think
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democrats are trying to be clear about, is that the medicaid cuts and tax cuts in the current trump care bill in the senate, we want to set those aside and focus on improving access to health care. if what we can work up together is a new version, that repeals and replaces the affordable care act with something that is much better at actually delivering affordable quality health care, that's a great thing for america. >> that's what i was hoping to here. we do look like we can go down that road. i have to interrupt you, sorry for this. we're listening to john kelly along with paul ryan. >> anything but safe. these cities are places that allow some criminals go free. undermine federal law enforcement and make our communities less safe. the sanctuary injure did fails to honor an i.c.e. detainer and releases a criminal back to the states, it doesn't mean i.c.e. stops looking for the bad guy.
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instead it means i.c.e. has to take its targeted operations out of the safe, security and private confines of a jail and going into neighborhoods and businesses and other public places. that's infinitely more dangerous for the law abiding public and ice officers and creates unnecessary and avoidable anxiety for many in theegal immigrant community. arresting a criminal while they are still in custody is always, always the best option. additionally failing to honor an i.c.e. detainer means the criminals are on the street that much longer. whether that is days or weeks or months, a criminal is back on the street and often times breaking our laws again. it is beyond my comprehension while federal and state and local officials sworn to enforce the laws of the nation as i am, would actively discourage or out right prevent law enforcement agencies from upholding the laws of the united states. and why they would set public
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funds aside to pay for the legal representation of illegal aliens who are also law breakers. in doing so they prioritize criminals over public in law enforcement officer safety. the two bills up for vote this week, no sanctuary for criminals act will help customs enforcement uphold our immigration laws and help make our communities more safe. president trump has been clear that our borders are not open to illegal immigration, that we are a nation of laws and we will no longer look the other way. well, we will no longer look the other way in the interior either. since the president's executive order was signed, i.c.e. arrested nearly 66,000 individuals who are either known or suspected of being in the country illegally. 48,000 of those individuals are in fact convicted criminals.
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many of the rest were charged with crimes, often multiple ones or had gang affiliations. so war in 2017 i.c.e. has 32,700 criminal arrests to crimes include illegal gang activity, childhood exploitation, human trafficking and narcotics traffic and financial crimes and many, many others. i appreciate congress's effort to address the dangers of sanctuary cities and illegal immigrant offenders. as i've said many times before, dhs does not make the law, congress does. and we will enforce the laws that are passed by congress i'm offended when members of this institution exert pressure in often threaten me and my officers to ignore the laws they make and i'm sworn to uphold. mr. speaker, chairman goodlatte, appreciate your time and effort to protect the men and women of i.c.e. and citizens of these
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so-called sanctuary cities from public officials who have chosen politics in my opinion over public safety. thank you. >> chairman, thank you very much. >> thank you for coming mr. speaker, thank you very much. i want to start by thanking you and leader mccarthy as well as secretary kelly and president trump of course for taking the lead on moving these bills forward. yesterday i had the opportunity to meet at the white house requewith the president and most importantly with a dozen family members of victims all of whom were killed by people who were not lawfully present in the united states. the important thing to note here is when our immigration laws are properly enforced, all of the types of crimes we're talking about here are entirely avoidable. onest most important aspects of
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immigration reform is bolstering enforcement. secretary kelly and his team have done an outstanding job of living up to the president's commitment to enforce our immigration laws as they have done that, they have discovered that there are a number of laws that need to be changed and today's bills, the no sanctuary for criminals act and kate's law are a -- living up to that commitment we have made in the congress to provide that kind of support to the administration so that those laws can be better enforced. i look forward to passage of these bills and then we'll turn to our friends in the united states senate where these bills should be taken up promptly so we avoid the tragic circumstances that have totally involved the lives of the people who are at the white house yesterday speaking up for their loved ones, they would much rather have preferred to have been spending time with those loved ones than be at the white house but they are completely
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ted indicated to seeing these laws are changed to protect american citizens, this is all about enforcing our laws and having respect for the rule of law and securing our borders and keeping americans safe. thank you. >> now a member of our leadership team, doug collins. >> thank you, mr. speaker good to have the secretary and chairman and raul as well. john adams once said we're a nation of laws not men and today is a good day for rule of law. we go back and state these are the laws instead of politics and localities determining what they are going to follow and not going to follow it goes back to the basics are already being in law you're going to follow, the procedures asked for when the probable cause detainer is issued you'll respond in a positive way instead of dividing us through politics putting americans lives in jeopardy. one of the things yesterday i spent time debating, i was amazed at the issue of simple common sense and trying to pit this was the local's choice. let me remind you one time, this
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is not simply one locality making a choice that doesn't affect others, if one locality chooses not to enforce the law and that person leaves and goes to another locality who does enforce the law, they are dealing with those sequences, this is not isolated in a vacuum situation. this law is actually just saying if you choose to put politics before people's safety, you're not going to get the public funds and the grants that you are supposed to be using to enforce the law. in kate's law it was an understanding, something tragic that should have never happened. we're increasing the penalties for those who illegally cross our borders. i say today as you look at what's going on, i'm the son of a georgia state trooper and it was said if you supported this law, you were not supporting local law enforcements, i'm a 50-year veteran of supporting law enforcement. from talking to my dad and hundreds of law enforcement across this country, they want to enforce the law and keep people safe and not have politics of other areas affect how they do their job.
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thank you. >> thank you, mr. speaker, mr. chairman, the bills we're voting on today are vital fix step in fixing our broken immigration system. i've long believed that fixing our immigration system starts first and foremost with enforcement of the law. government at all levels have a basic responsibility to protect our citizens from those who are in our country illally and especial those who commit criminal acts while staying here illegally. for too long the federal government looked the other way while sanctuary cities undermine public safety. the bills we're voting on today bring common sense to an issue where common sense has been in short supply for if a too long. i'm glad we're showing the american people the house is serious about keeping its promises and especially glad that the bills we're voting on are from the davis oliver act.
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as a new chairman of the subcommittee, i look forward to having the davis oliver act come to the floor sometime soon. i'm also looking forward to the other immigration enforcement bills including e verify and other issues we've been working on. i'm eager to work with secretary kelly and chairman goodlatdy and leadership to make that happen. of particular note is what secretary kelly said today, i think he understands the role of the federal government and the executive. he said his job is to enforce the law and it is our job to make the laws and to me the most ironic thing about this whole debate, most of the people that have come to the united states illegally, come here because they are fleeing countries where the law is not enforced. and yet some people on the other side want to turn this country into the countries that they are fleeing from. we need to enforce the law and need to make sure the american people feel safe and secure.
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thank you. >> questions? >> i'd like to ask about -- on the wisconsin radio station that how long will it take for t senate and the house to reach upon a health care bill and what does ma mean for the rest of the agenda. >> we're stick on schedule with our agenda. we have tax reform later in the year in the fall, we still have the summer here to work on health care. we think we're perfectly on time about the schedule. i can't answer the question how long it's going to take because i don't know when the senate will bring the bill to the floor to vote. as soon as they get a bill passed and done i believe we can move fairly quickly around here. we still think we're on track. i'm familiar with this. this is exactly what we did here in the house. i think that's basically the process of senate is going through. it's a bit of a sense of deja
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vu, i think they'll per severe because we have a promise to keep and repeal and replace this health care law, not to mention the fact it is in the middle of a collapse. insurers are pulling out left and right around america. 41% of the counties in america today are down to one health insurer left. blue cross blue shield just pulled out of wisconsin, missouri, ohio. 94 out of 99 counties in iowa, no health insurancers left next year. this problem is getting much worse, i think because of that, our friends in the senate will step up and get this done. >> you said the white house is working hand in glove, targeting -- >> let me go on the other -- >> let me pick up on that. you have been critical of the president when he has been amazed in comments that -- are these comments -- >> i just saw it a little while
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ago. i don't see that as an important comment. what we're trying to do is prove the debate and -- >> we're doing our job, we're doing today, we're keeping a promise and bringing case law to the floor and sanctuary cities today. yesterday we did medical liability reform, we're going to walk and chew gum at the same time. that means what our constituents care about are we solving their problems and doing what we said we would do when we campaigned and asked for this opportunity to serve? the answer is yes. we did medical liability reform yesterday. we're doing two important promises on immigration today. that what we do, we go to bat and work on solving people's problems. jonathan? >> hanging around that mitch mcconnell -- some talk by some
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senators about rolling back some of the tax cuts in the bill. what is your feeling on the idea of trying to use that? >> as tempt many as it is to comment on what they should do with the bill, i'm not going to risk doing that because the senate leadership did not weigh in on our deliberations. i want to respect their process. i'm going to intervene in their deliberations whether they get through the bill. >> who are you with? >> with cnn. on the immigration bills you're talking about rule of law, but actual law enforcement chiefs have -- the ability to do the job and money that would go to community communities -- if not, how are you convincing them? >> well, first of all, i will
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tell you with absolute certainty that the members of law enforcement officers in the country want to help good working relationship between federal law enforcement. when you can take that off -- you can prevent things. when their policy causes them to release this individual- >> you've got to follow the law and keep them safe, that's the reason why.
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>> from the federal government to -- >> we protecting the constitution, they wrote the bill incorrectly, so we've told the senate we've go to write it correctly to follow the constitution all revenue measures must originate in the house. there's a constitutional issue here. so we have lent the technical assistance to the senate they need to write the bill correctly and they are working on it. >> do you think you can pass it again before it comes back? >> because they did not pass it correctly, they violated constitutional protocols. >> last question. >> deirdre? >> no offense, we've done cnn a couple of times. >> chairman goodlatte, a process of weeks on a marijuana charge that i.c.e. didn't bother to come and -- >> well, first of all, both the federal government and city of
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san francisco, the bureau of prisons where he had just been -- illegally entering the country did not turn to san francisco to release him on the streets, whether i.c.e. was quick enough contacting them or whether they were contacting i.c.e., clearly they failed. >> how do you respond -- >> what would have prevented that murder would have been for either the prisons or the city of san francisco to have turned him back over to i.c.e. now having said that, the kate's law bill is designed not to deal with that. that's the no sanctuary for criminals act. kate's law, the bill named for her, gives judges increased discretion to enhance the amount of time someone can be
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incarcerated. so i would argue that if that law were in effect and if the judge had given this individual a longer sentence, that murder would not have taken place. >> but also it's ironic that they -- they opposed a policy that we have suggested would prevent kate's death and murder. they still oppose those policies as well and they have opposed them in our committee again and again and again. >> thank you. >> that of course was paul ryan leading the house gop leaders speaking ahead of the immigration bill vote. ali velshi, weigh in on this. you gave us a quick tutorial of what it means if you're looking to come into the country but these are pretty strong statements from republicans, they want to carry that party line, sticking to campaign promises. >> so this is the other half of the immigration conversation that the republicans have been having, the travel ban is one rt of it keeping dangerous people out. the second part of it is those
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people who are in here, can they -- the words of republicans enforce the laws that are already on the book, can they compel municipalities and sheriffs to enforce immigration laws? as you know sanctuary cities and number of said we are not in the immigration business, we are in the law enforcement business and if you cause us to do this we will lose the leads that we get from people in some of these i'm grant communities who refuse to report things to police because they are worried that they will get rounded up once they are in the system. so this is another piece of the heated debate. you had congressman after congressman getting up there, talking about why there are laws on the books, they have to be enforced. another important part of that ugs ask. >> we will take a quick break. when we come back we will talk live with the dnc chair, tom perez. (baby crying) ♪ fly ♪ me to the moon
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you are watching a very special edition of velshi and ruhle, i'm stephanie ruhle live in d.c. >> special because she's there and i'm alone here in new york. all right. let's pick up the topic we've been staying on. republicans are struggling to repeal obamacare in washington, but democrats have some problems of their own, they've lost four house special elections, some blaming minority leader nancy pelosi, but a new poll shows pelosi maintains strong support in the party, 41% part pelosi to stay as leader, 27% want her to step down but there are 31% who don't have an opinion. nationally we have a different story among all voters, pelosi's
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unfavorable rating is 46%, that's the second worst among political leaders, the worst is president trump. joining me now is the chair of the democratic national committee, former labor secretary tom perez. good to he so you, sir. thank you for being with us. >> ali, always great to be with you. >> let's talk about this. there is an issue in that we don't really know who the leader of the democratic party s it's just the nature of parties, right? when the party hasn't got a president. is it nancy pelosi, is it you, is it you and keith ellison, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren? what do people look to to think about the leadership of the democratic party? >> i tnk the leadership of the party and i think if barac obama were here he would say the same thing, is the millions of people who marched on january 21st led by women. people who have gone and said, you know, i have a preexisting condition, i'm diabetic, i have a family member who is struggling with opioid abuse. i think that climate change is very real in my community.
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and they've been out there putting their values into action. >> so why then -- >> it's been -- >> why didn't that translate into a win in georgia when ossof couldn't win the election? >> i think that's pretty simple, when you're outnumbered two to one, ali, by republican to democrat, again, price won that district eight months earlier by over 20 months and ossof cut the margin to 4. and the same thing happened in all the special ee ex-wills. of course i want to win, there is no doubt about that, but the reality is there are 71 districts that are more competitive than georgia 6. when we continue to move forward and we've got elections in new jersey and in virginia for governor where i think we're well positioned to win those races, that will put more wind at our back and if we continue to have these margins and if republicans continue to overreach like this effort to pass a massive tax cut for
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wealthy people disguised as a healthcare bill, i think democrats have a very good chance of moving forward in the house. >> chuck schumer has put on conditions we are hearing increasingly from republicans who say we may have to work with democrats on this healthcare bill, which is a good thing, but chuck schumer has three conditions, drop the repeal of obamacare, drop medicaid cuts and drop large tax cuts for the wealthy. you can probably get people around the botm two. why are democrats getting caught up on dropping the repeal of obamacare? >> here is minority star and i think this should be the north star for this bill and this is what senator schumer was effectively saying, are we helping the average american family get access to affordable healthcare? and quality healthcare. if we're doing that then we're moving forward. the problem with the senate bill
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sths not a healthcare bill. it's a massive tax cut for wealthy people. the affordable care act has been a life saver for millions and as you correctly point out it is far from perfect. our north star moving forward should be how do we make life better for people. >> right. >> the families struggling with opioid abuse, they're worried that they're going to lose their coverage. >> the problem is you can see, tom, when a lot of americans, particularly middle class americans who did see premiums go up because they are in the individual market they don't necessarily see the benefit of the remarkable medicaid expansion, the number of people who couldn't get insurance because of preexisting conditions, there are a lot of middle class people in this country who just saw their premiums go up and they weren't able to keep their doctors, then they hear democrats say i don't want to see a repeal of obamacare because it's working well. >> the affordable care act while it has obviously been a life saver for millions, i always been -- had room for
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improvement, ali. and the thing about it is as the congressional budget office pointed out there are millions of folks who have employer based coverage who could lose their coverage under this senate bill. these are working class families. i was contacted by someone who has a child on the autism spectrum, you know, her husband is working, she's home caring for her children and, do you know what, folks, you know, medicaid is their life safer and if they don't get access to medicaid then it's conceivable that their child is going to have to be institutionalized. that's not who we are as a station, ali. the richest, you know, most -- best workforce nation in the planet and we can't figure out how to have healthcare for all. >> we can figure it out, it just needs everybody to work together on it. >> it's a matter of political will. that's the problem, ali.
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democrats believe that healthcare is a right for all and not a privilege for a few wealthy people. >> tom perez -- >> i don't know that republicans feel the same way. >> good to see you. thanks very much for joining us. >> great to be with us. >> former labor secretary tom perez, now the chair of the dnc. thanks for watching this hour of msnbc live, i'm ali velshi. >> and i'm stephanie ruhle live in washington. i will see you in new york tomorrow with ali. all day long you can find us on social media and connect with our show #velshiruhle. right now i'm going to send you to colorado for answer drae mitchell reports. right now on a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports," family ties. tonight president trump's controversial travel ban becomes reality. travelers from six mainly muslim nations will have to show close relationships to come to the u.s. and grandma does not count as


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