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we have the white house requesting voter information in a fraud investigation. what does it mean for the administration wanting to know more details about your report at the ballots? we'll tell you about what's stirring the controversy. plus -- >> the president is hurting himself and congress's ability to advance an agenda because it becomes a distraction. >> all right. the call is growing for the president to drop some of his twitter habits. does this reaction hurt the highest office? we have reaction coming up on msnbc live. we want to begin with the latest political headlines as lawmakers come face to face with those who elected them to go to d.c. this is their first time home after their effort to repeal and replace obamacare hit a speed bump this week. here's how bill cassidy responded at a town hall in louisiana when pressed on whether he'll vote for the bill. >> by kicking them off their
health care at this point, that's cruel, sir. [ applause ] what you need to do is go back to washington, d.c. and stand up for the people who are here and say we need our health care. >> i am doing my best so make sure we continue coverage, care for those with pre-existing conditions, eliminate mandates, and lower premiums. >> meanwhile senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is pushing back against president trump's proposal to repeal and replace. he told people last night the republicans will stick with their current plan. mcconnell's comments come as a group of senators are asking him to cancel the august recess to stay in d.c. and work on health care and other priorities. meanwhile, more republicans are speaking out in the wake of president trump's derogatory tweets and two msnbc hosts this week. >> the president is hurting himself and congress's ability to advance an agenda.
it becomes a distraction. the last thing the congress needs is distraction when you talk about something as important as health care or what comes next on taxes or on the budget. so it's more than disappointing. >> let's go to kelly o'donnell. kelly is near the president's golf club in new jersey. that's where president trump is spending the holiday weekend. explain where the health care battle stands now, especially after this confusing presidential tweet. >> it would appear the president is trying to do something to get a deal going. he has talked about health care in a number of different ways. this is a departure from his views during the campaign season and the early months of his presidency where he said just repeal it 5and come up with a replacement later. we can find all kinds of comments where he said it must be repealed and replaced in one
breath. because republicans are many votes away from agreement on how to get their version passed it may be a tweet where the president is trying to throw a jump ball and get activity going. it doesn't look like mitch mcconnell wants to take up the suggestion and senators are in their home states. those that will hold town hall meetings or have other interactions with the public will get a sense of where things stand. i'm told mitch mcconnell and others will continue the conversations. staff will keep working though they will be away from washington for the week trying to. coup withing? . there is pressure on mcconnell and the leadership team to do something in order to move on to other parts of the agenda in the remaining months of a nonelection year. when we get into 2018 everything will be more super charged than we are now. the president suggesting repeal it now, replace it later. one potential benefit of the strategy if republicans were to adopt it is perhaps you could attract democrats if the notion
of repeal is now off the table and it is about working on how to fix the system. perhaps that would attract democrats. they don't want anything to do with a notion of repeal. if you got past that point maybe that would open a door. the other part is if you were to repeal insurance contracts are a year at a time. repeal would not instantly take coverage from americans relying on it. they would have a time constraint of trying to get something new in place. that's where the health care debate is. it doesn't get us closer to an answer. it's highly charged, very confusing certainly to those concerned about what happens to their own coverage if they don't have employer-based coverage. it will be a hot summer when it comes to this issue. >> when it comes to the other issue going on with chris coback leading this voter fraud investigation, he's from kansas and will basically buck his own request that went to the other states that they are trying to investigate for social security numbers and personal
information. explain the confusion around this. >> in some ways this was the trump administration's answer to the russian interference question with all that talk of how did the russians interfere in the election and conservative republicans were saying there was voter fraud they believe the president tweeted about perhaps a few million votes improperly cast. to look at the integrity of the voting system, the president created this commission. part of the commission is to look at voter irregularities to try to assess what happened. they have asked all the states to provide voter registration information. that's public information that's publically available. the kind of stuff when we register to vote would contribute. this is a states issue. two dozen states say we won't turn this over. democrats say it could be a means of voter suppression,
looking for those they can kick off the roles and republicans are saying this should be handled by the states. they don't need a federal commission looking into the roles. chris coback of kansas who was interviewed for various positions and is a part of the commission is definitely raising eyebrows about this. >> he's vice chairman for this commission. also sitting secretary of state for kansas. great to see you. kelly o'donnell in bridgewater, new jersey. i want to bring in national reporter for the "new york times" and mike willis. good morning to you both. the case is really interesting here with him working as the vice chair saying the white house is requesting the information that's all basically public anyway. as the sitting secretary of state of kansas he's rejecting part of his own request to release social security numbers. do many more states have a legal basis to push back on the
premise of providing this information? >> i think the legal issues of how they are going to fight it are still unclear. for me what this goes to is people are wary of the fact the administration would do something saying republicans have targeted people, african-american voters in north carolina. for voter suppression in the way they have drawn districts and carried out i.d. laws. in this election there is a lot of talk about russia. people have an issue with voter suppression. you think about states like wisconsin, minnesota, detroit, michigan where people think city centers were targeted in the early voting centers were closed down in critical cities like cleveland. people weren't given the amount of time they needed to vote because of the fact they were going to be voting for democrats
probably. >> we had the president tweet about this very issue. let's look at what he said. talking about whether or not states will be providing information, the president tweeting numerous states are refusing to give information to the very distinguished voter fraud panel. what are they trying to hide? again, vice chair of the commission, also the secretary of state of kansas is not going to be providing information sent within his own request. so here's the deal. multiple states, the kansas city star is reporting coback won't provide the social security information of those in kansas to the commission. in the letter he sent out based on the commission work he said every state asking for voters' names, addresses, voting history and personal information like the last four digits of social
security numbers. the president is saying what are they trying to hide. is this being discounted by even the vice chair of this pushing back on what the commission is doing? the premise could be faulty. >> i think it reveals that this is a political stunt. donald trump maintained from the beginning millions of voters voted illegally and that's the reason hillary clinton won the popular vote. he was frustrated he didn't win the popular vote. he's been saying it all along. at the same time it was debunked from the start. you had states from around the country, republican and democrat said there was no widespread voter fraud anywhere. a couple dozen cases. it doesn't add up nearly to the millions the president claimed. this is red meat to the base. there are states who pushed for tougher voting requirements. voter i.d.s and all these
things. democrats say we need it because of fraud. this is an extension of that argument. people saying there is fraud. we'll take the steps because there was fraud and we'll prove it. it is red meat to the base. i don't think anybody expects the states to cooperate so immediately yesterday is an indication. >> it's a problem that doesn't exist. we know that the twitter feed of the president can sometimes be a guilty pleasure. what's it like for those you can speak to on capitol hill. republicans specifically. about the issue with having to react, to answer questions. >> this is a problem for republicans. they are tiring of the fact they have to answer to the president's tweets. the senate in particular is really in the middle of a health care fight. they are trying to keep focused
on that. the fact you have the president of the united states attacking a tv host in one way. going to the heart of a woman's looks and appearance. that's a problem for the female senators who were not included in the senate's commission to come up with the bill and having problems determining whether or not they can support a bill that will cut medicaid for millions, defund planned parenthood for at least the year. there are different things the president is doing that's really lowering his political capital and making people not want to work with him and not trust him. >> we got the tweets they were unable to pass. they should repeal and replace at a later date. is he sending directions from the top based on the agenda they have tried to lay out? >> it's a different message than he sent on the campaign trail. that's not a new idea.
the house republicans have repealed without a replacement plan more than 60 times. repealed the entire law or parts of it. they could do it knowing it would never turn into law. another messaging bill. obama was in the white house. so it was not going to become law. this is not a new idea. it's happen in the past. it won't happen again now that trump is in the white house. they need a replacement. the markets would be up heaved if they did that. it's already having a lot of problems in the states. if they repeal without a replacement none of the plans will sign up. they don't know what the future will hold. >> at least there is a law in place as unstable as it is not knowing what the republicans will do. it is some sort of confidence-building mechanism. >> it yanks the rug out of medical insurance from millions
of americans without a proper solution to give them easy access once again. happy holiday weekend to you. mike, you got a fresh cut. >> right. >> got a new barber? >> i saw that. serving up a fresh cut for the holiday weekend. >> more like a bushwhacking. >> it's hair. it'll come back. >> former gop congressman pete hoelstra joins me to talk about the tweets and working on policy and what it means for the president and divides in his own party.
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this is the president of the united states. something's wrong there. >> it's one thing when he was a candidate. all of us say things that are a little bit over the top when running for office. once you're a public official, particularly the president of the united states, the greatest country on earth, you have a special obligation to be above this. >> we have dianne feinstein, nancy pelosi and susan collins expressing displeasure with the president and his recent tweets. we know the white house did have to spend the day defending the president's tweets. how do you think the gop as a party is hurt by having to support or defend or even react to different outbursts from the president. >> i think what your little
kper excerpts show is that the gop, the democrats are a bunch of -- they are individual players. they all craft their own image, their own political narrative. and, you know, they make their own relationships. they define their own relationship with the president of the united states and that's what they take to the american people. some see it as a distraction. others see it as an opportunity saying this is an opportunity to where i can create distance between me and the president of the united states. i think for 435 members in the house, the hundred odd members in the u.s. senate, they each take a look at this and craft their own response. ultimately though, they are going to be measured on where they go on health care. where they go on taxes. border security and those issues. >> when it comes to defining
image of the gop do you stand supportively in the shadow of the president and what he uses twitter for, how he conducts business via twitter. >> when you've got people -- you look at the diversity across the gop brand and what you are seeing within the republican party there is not a single gop brand. it is a bunch of individuals coming together, different groups coming together. the democratic party is facing the exact same type of conflict within its party as to who they are. are they more the bill clinton faction, more the bernie sanders faction? are they progressives? something else? in american politics it's always been difficult to define a national political identity for one party or the other. we know generally where the parties are. when you get down to districts and state where is the elections
are held, the parties and messaging may be very different. >> when you get to d.c. and you have control of the house, senate and the white house, crafting policy should be more simplistic, being able to have legislative accomplishments. coalescing around the gop brand. >> i don't think i have heard anyone describe the legislative process in washington as being rather simplistic. when george bush came in 2001 we had the same thing. i was a chairman of a subcommittee on the education committee. i was thrilled because we were going to reform education. that's how we started 2001 out. i was a strong supporter of president bush on the education issue by december when we finally. i was one of the leading opponents of no child left behind. crafting legislation is not very easy. we are seeing it now.
>> since republicans have used that messaging for nearly a decade now you would think once they got the triad of control of making the legislation, making the sausage they would be able to do it. >> you would think so. >> they haven't gotten there yet on health care or taxes. it is absolutely critical they go deliver on these issues or it will be very, very interesting to see what happens in 2018. i'm not sure it benefits the democrats. it just feeds into the narrative that the american people don't like washington and they don't like any of the people in washington. >> the messaging of repeal and replace, americans while they support obamacare everyone agrees there should be fixes to it. now the presidents are saying go
ahead, repeal it and we'll replace it later. do you think that's too hectic of a priority for senate republicans to achieve when they know the type of uproar that will cause, the disruption it would cause with the intention of not actually replacing it. >> it's a risky strategy. obviously the desirable alternative is when the senate comes back from its recess the end of next week or the following they will have votes together to get to 50, 51 votes to pass a health care reform. they can work with the republicans in the house to craft a conference bill that will pass the house and senate. repeal and replace is a risky strategy. you're absolutely right. if you repeal, you will have to do replace. if they decide to repeal i never thought it would be possible
they would give up the august recess. if they repeal, if they did repeal you can bet they have to give up the august recess. by labor day they will have had to deliver a replacement bill or be in trouble politically. and the american people will be in trouble because of the uncertainty they would see in health care markets and their ability to get the health care insurance they need. >> support for the senate health care bill and three major polls. 17%, 12%, 16%. that's in the house side. if you were back on the hill, would you vote for a bill that had such low public support? >> it would be difficult to vote for a bill with that kind of public support. clearly the republicans, there may be content issues with each of these bills in the house and senate. but there's also been a lack of
a messenger to really carry forward saying, you know, here is the problem with the current health care system. here's where bank is failing. here is what we are proposing and for those of you in the second congressional district of michigan that i represented, for those of you in the fifth congressional district in texas or whatever, here are the changes that we are proposing. here's why it is good for you for your family, your community, for your doctors and nursing homes and these things. there's not been, i believe, a coherent effective communications method system behind what the republicans have been proposing. >> we have the president on twitter this morning. i'm not even going to challenge you, sir, to put you on the spot
with this stuff. but check out the twitter feed. pete hoekstra, great to have you on. >> thank you. >> hope you can enjoy it with your family. it is called nine ways to fix obamacare. it's a new washington post op ed. the author joins me next. stick around. we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life,
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unsure. but those investigating say it is not terror-related. no arrests have been made at this time. we'll keep you posted out of developments out of arkansas. happening now, americans are on the move for the holiday weekend. a, a s aaa saying 44 million will go away. nbc's scott cohen is watching travellers in l.a. for us. a little after 6:30 out there. explain this scene at lax. >> yeah. it's already busy, thomas. of the 3.5 million you said would travel nationwide, as many as a third come through lax, the second busiest airport in the nation. people were getting here early. some allowing extra time given everything going on. extra screening is here. those we talked to aren't terribly worried. >> i don't really have concerned about that. i think if something will happen it will happen. i don't live my life by fear of
the unknown. and just deal with it if it happens. >> the travel ban. okay, we heard about it. as well as everyone else. we take the precaution so we don't come to the airport late, miss our flight or anything like that. >> last i checked both of the guys got through or were close to getting through the tsa line. it's not that bad despite excess screening. why are things busy this year? on the travel interest side the fact that the economy is still reasonably good, consumer confidence is high. yet prices are low. gas prices, air fares, rental cars. that makes for a busy fourth of july weekend. allows time. check with the airlines. people are on the move. >> scott cohn in lax. the line growing as we speak behind you. early out there. have a great holiday weekend. for you at home later today alex witt talks with alexandra pelosi
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all right. so the latest fall out over the president and his use of social media via twitter. there's new bipartisan agreement around the issue that his twitter habits are hurting his political agenda. here's what republican congressman mark sanford said on air yesterday. >> it's a tweet that was reckless. it was juvenile. and it was, again, a distraction from the standpoint of legislative activity. you have a congress that at times is being pulled away. we are talking about a tweet
rather than policy. that's happened a thousand times over the last number of months. >> joining me now is journalist, author and analyst steven bril. it's great to have you here. as the congressman points out there, the president definitely uses twitter. it turns into a distraction. he also conveys policy through twitter. one of the biggest being how he's saying if the senate can't get to work and pass the current bill as it stands right now during health care. just go ahead and repeal it. we'll replace it later. isn't twitter a way to get his message across? >> i can't resist noting we have come a long way when mark sanford can describe someone's conduct as reckless. >> yes, his walk on the appalachia. >> we have come far in this country. >> he sought forgiveness, fesed up to mistakes.
in america, you know, if you ask for forgiveness. you can rise. >> president trump certainly has a record of not doing that defiantly. >> he doesn't surrender the point for sure. when it comes to the strategy of health care now, you're an expert. when it comes to the latest signal from the white house, repeal it and we'll replace it later. how do you think that will be accepted on the senate, on the hill. >> it won't be accepted. it's not surprising because as i have written repeatedly the republicans have trouble coming up with an alternative to obamacare. obamacare since richard nixon's time was the republican alternative to what the democrats wanted to do which was a single payer system and government interference in the private health care market.
what obamacare does is provides a subsidy so more people can buy health insurance in the same overpriced market that the rest of us are in. that's why the republicans are struggling to come up with an alternative. that's the plan they wanted. the only reason they hated it was because it had barack obama's name on it. >> the cbo scored earlier in the week when it put the senate bill close to where the house was in terms of numbers. it was a work in progress. about 32 million people would lose their insurance. you have this article entitled an op-ed in the washington post. nine ways to fix obamacare. is it that easy, steve? just a quick nine ways? >> if you look at this logically, what's the problem that the republicans say they want to fix about obamacare? the problem is the high cost of premiums. there are two ways you can cut
the cost of a health insurance premium. one is you can provide less insurance. in other words, i can sell you a very cheap health insurance policy if i say i'm not covering the emergency room, if you get cancer. and i will only cover you for $25,000 a year for your expen expenses. i can sell you that for $10 a month. that's not health insurance. the other way is to do something about the cost of the care that the insurance company has to pay for. what i have suggested is the way to tackle the high cost of premiums is to do something about the cost of drugs. do something about enforcing the anti-trust laws when it comes to hospitals consolidating. do something about the cost of durable medical equipment and medical devices. there are all kinds of ways you can tackle the cost of health care and there are all kinds of
ways. in every other country on the planet, health care costs a third to half as much as it does per capita as it does in the united states. yet their results, the outcomes are as good or better that happen they are in the united states. >> there are other examples around the world. especially considering america has some of the best medical institutions, best medical services are around. we don't make it as easy accessible to use the services. when it comes to the suggestion, some senators on the hill saying we should work through the health care issue. do you think that could happen? >> makes sense. you say why is this such a big deal? who else gets to take a month. >> do their job. and then take a vacation. >> we have been working with this, haven't come up with a solution so let's go on vacation. doesn't make sense to me and i
don't think it makes sense to people outside the beltway. >> if they have been running and winning elected seats on repeal and replace you would think a, b, c, different plans to see what they could coalesce around. >> they have had seven years to come up with a plan and my theory of the case is the reason they can't come up with a plan is obamacare was always their plan. it was richard nixon's plan. in some ways it was john mccain's plan. >> the heritage foundation plan. >> that's their problem. that's the trouble. >> it's a sticking point. great to see you. happy fourth to you. i want to give you a check for the holiday weekend. we have a live report up next. next on "a.m. joy" what we can expect when president trump meets with the russian president at the g-20. back in a moment.
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the balloons themselves it's safer for the crowd. you don't want balloons listing in the winds and whatnot. >> good point. we have deep fried or oweeos, fl cakes. what about the music? foghat from the '70s. >> i know. that was a big draw. we got a deal on them. we wanted to bring out someone good the crowd would like. tomorrow we have cassidy pope from "the voice" and the rob marrow band if you are watching "designated survivor," he's coming out with his band. >> from the eyes to the skies festival, the tents and everything are up. a beautiful day. >> easy, breezy, getting around on a golf cart. have fun, mike. back to politics where president trump comparing one of america's greatest authors of all time. who is making the comparison to
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>> he's the ernest hemingway of twitter. he's taken down his opponents on twitter. ask crooked hillary, lyin' ted, low-energy jab, we all know the names, pocahontas. when you oppose donald trump beware of his 100 million social media followers. >> former trump campaign manager cory luwann do yousky defended the president's feuds kicking off on social media or punching back some would say. i bring in former florida gop congressman david jolly and adrian, great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> does cory have a point there? all the folks l lewandowsky, he branded his republican competition in the same way with
really mean names. does tweeting work for him? >>ing loo, we saw this happen time and time during the campaign. he considers himself the master at branding but look, congratulations to donald trump for actually doing something that many people have not been able to do, unify republicans and democrats. he simply cannot handle when powerful, smart women criticize him. we saw this happen during the campaign with secretary clinton. we saw it happen with megyn kelly and how it happen yesterday, so it's one thing to actually have this sort of lack of temperament during the campaign. it's another thing to exercise this as president of the united states. it's deeply disturbing. i don't think anybody who thought that maybe he would change of course as president, you know that's certainly not happening so it's deeply disturbing and there's simply
really no other words to describe what he did this week. >> congressman, exponentially the president, @realdonaldtrump, the handle he's always had gone up from 32.8 to 32.9, now over 33. it is a double edged sword, because he can use it to send some policy messages but also he undercuts himself and the support of gop members with some of the negativity or vitriol that comes via his thumbs. >> that's right. he's a weak and insecure man and that insecurity and at times misogyny we've seen this morning has blowback and negative impctt for hill. he failed to realize as president he holds the public trust and has to speak of higher ideals of american people. the blow-back doesn't just come on attacks on mika and other
people, the negative impact of his tweet on health care, let's throw the senate plan out the window and go back to just repeal. he did throw a bomb into the negotiations, showed a special kind of ignorance in doing so but he also ensured they're not going to get to a repeal plan when the senate gets back. he's not a policy leader and certainly not the leader of our nation when it comes to integrity and speaking to our better interests. >> let's talk about the idea of repeal, replace later and the reaction that is getting on the hill. here is senator mike rounds describing what that could look like in the democratic process. >> now they're looking at this saying look you're talking about repealing and replacing we've drawn a line in the sand as long as you suggest repeal. they see the political opportunity here to try to make us feel what they felt, if we do it wrong. right now politically they'd love to see us twist and squirm
for a while. >> adrian that is the impression he has about the democrats through the democratic process of trying to repeal and replace something republicans have run on for the last seven years. do republicans really own it, though? if they go ahead and try to doing awith away with the aca do they own the problems? >> absolutely. this is also something donald trump ran on when he ran for president. but look, at the end of the day, they had seven years to try to find a plan that united conservatives and moderates to owe peel obamacare and they can't do it. why? because the majority of the american people support obamacare and want tweaks made to the bill to improve it especially when it comes to lowering out-of-pocket costs and high cost of prescription drugs but don't want to see it repealed. the fact these guys are going home for the fourth of july recess and going to town halls
and hearing from constituents makes it harder to repeal the bill. >> congressman you were a vocal opponent but changed your mind, why? >> i don't think i changed my mind. republicans failed to realize you can't replace obamacare with something that actually reduces health care for individuals. the replacement plan has to make sure nobody is worse off. there's an expectation obamacare established rightfully for a safety net. republicans on the hill first of all, there will never be a vote for just repeal. they can't get it through the tuesday group in the house and the moderates in the senate but stop following this president. what republicans need to do on the hill when people say how can they stand up to the president? the republican leadership needs to stand up and say you know what? the president's going to do what he's going to do but we're going to do what we do as republicans, we'll craft a responsible republican agenda, pass it through congress, whatever it takes, put it on the president's desk, take it or leave it but if
they do it in a way that reduces health care as adrian said for 22, 24 million people they're not going to win the hearts and minds of the american people. >> happy fourth to you all. adrian great to see you, congressman, thank you sir. that will wrap up this hour of "msnbc live." i'm thomas robert. "a.m. joy" is next. anything keep you sidelined. come on! that's why you drink ensure. with nutritious calories 9 grams of protein, and 26 vitamins and minerals. that was the best one ever! giving you the strength and energy, to get back to doing what you love. and finish! from the number one doctor recommended brand... ensure, always be you.
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