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let's listen in. >> he's going to talk about the transport and injuries followed up by the city mayor talking about permanents and rebaitment and closing remarks. at this time i ask the mayor to come up. >> thank you, lieutenant. my heart is broken and was broken again this morning when i woke up and heard the news about the mass shooting at the ultra power lounge. it's broken not only for the victims that were involved in this tragic, tragic situation, but heartbroken for their families and heartbroken for our city. i know i speak on behalf of all of my colleagues the city board of directors that are assembled here with me in telling me that we have dedicated and continue to rededicate ourselves to what we can do to make this city safe. that sickening feeling in the gut of your stomach is something you never want to feel. and certainly on a fourth of
july weekend where we wish to anticipate having fun with our friends and family, this is certainly, certainly a terrible, terrible tragedy. i want to thank and commend our first responders. thanks to their response, the work of the medical professionals and our hospitals and by the grace of god all of the victims are expected to survive. i want to reassure our public that this was not an act of terrorism but a tragedy. a local community tragedy. it does not appear to be a planned shooting. it appears that there was a disagreement amongst a small subset of individuals at a concert that turned violent because of the presence of rivalries and weapons. i want to take a moment here in a minute after our officials give their briefing to address some of the bigger issues affecting our community. but there are two things that are readily apparent. we must do more to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people. and government can do something to help us with that.
we also, also, should be outraged that a promotional video with a gun on the front cover inviting people to a concert suggesting the issues of violence should also be totally unacceptable in our community. we need to do these things before tragedies happen. and so we come down here and we know that we've got to use a hammer. we've got to use a big hammer on the people who would do violence with guns and hurt people. so, we'll speak more about this in a moment, but i want to turn it over the press conference now to the chief who is going to give you an update on the details of the investigation. chief buchner. >> thank you, mayor. good afternoon. i'm going to go into some of the details of the incident and how they kind of unravelled as we know them today. all of the information that i'm going to give you is based upon
preliminary information and is subject to change. approximately 2:30 a.m. at the power lounge located on sixth street there was a concert with a memphis entertainer identified as a fitness two time who was scheduled to be the headliner for the concert. there were also some local artists that were scheduled to perform at this concert. some sort of dispute ensued in the audience during the event and there were shots -- multiple shots fired, we believe, multiple individuals were responsible for those shots fired. again, i want to echo what the mayor said. we do not believe this was an act or terror nor was it an active shooter situation. off duty police officers were also at some point working this event. they were there from 11:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. that was their normally scheduled time to be there. their job was to work the parking lot which was typical for these types of venues and
police working off duty during these locations. during their tenure there shortly before they left the 2:00 a.m. exit time, some members with the headliner group for the entertainment attempted to enter the venue, one of which who was opening carrying a weapon. our officers engaged that individual, attempted to stop that individual, but it appears that some of the individuals went to an alternate entry into this location and actually gained access into the venue. it appears that most of the shots that were fired, this occurred inside of the venue based upon preliminary information. we do not have any information that leads us to believe that anything occurred outside that relates to the shots fired. the location was also checked at approximately 12:30 a.m. by our vice detectives, which was part of their routine patrol to go and check some of the venues throughout our city, but we have had other complaints on this venue. the victims all appear to be
african-american both male and female, the youngest 16 and oldest 35. 28 individuals in total were injured. 25 result of gunshot wounds, 3 as a result of attempting to flee the venue when the chaos ensued. of those individuals that were of the 22, we believe that 2 are listed in critical condition at this time. the other individuals have what we believe to be non-life threatening injuries. i cannot thank our hospitals enough for their response. to have this kind of mass incident occur in our city and the fact that we're standing here today and 28 people -- 25 of which were shot and no one is dead, speaks to a lot of things on our first responders and also our hospitals in how they were able to bridge with us to help these individuals. those hospitals specifically where these 25 folks are scattered throughout central arkansas umas, baptist, st.
vincent, children's and baptist spring hill and north little rock. to our community, we have no reason to believe at this time that anyone in the general public is at harm of any incident -- any further incidence from this group. we believe it was associated with some of the individuals who were inside. so we want the public to know that we feel like there's no risk of any harm for anything to go about your daily lives. this does appear as the mayor eluded to be a continuation of disputes from some of our local groups who have been disputing that you've seen some of the things playing out in our streets that resulted in drive-by shootings and other shooting victims, a few of which we have warrants for their arrests. also, to our officers, and it's very, very important that i want them to know that this is why we train. this is why we pursue best practices. this is why we want to subscribe to 21st century policing principles. this is why i send you around the country to develop networks to have the kinds of information
that we need that when you have your moment in your city, in america today unfortunately we're seeing this play out too much. i could not be prouder of how you responded on that day. it says so much that we had that many people who were injured and our people were able to get there, to declare a safe scene for our ems folks to enter and do their jobs and we greatly appreciate that. also, i want to let the public know that we would not have been able to do this alone, although we're the ones up here talking as we should be because this is our city, but the surrounding chiefs in central arkansas extended their help. we're currently working with atf and fbi who are here represented today who are also helping us with the investigation and many of the tools that they have we don't have the resources to do some of the broad things they're able to do and their being here early and we certainly appreciate their help. also, the state police and the governor's office has extended their help for any needs we may
need with the crime lab or the state police. so at this time, we'll talk a little bit about some of the things that occurred with the injured. >> echo what chief buchner said. we began to work together to prepare for kinds of mass tragedies like what we faced last evening. and they really began to pay off last night. when our medics began to arrive on scene, we began to do our triage, we found that some of the victims had been treeaged by the police department. a total of five tourniquets were used and one chest seal. a few years ago we never would have seen anything like that. a lot of people self evacuated from the scene. some of them went to children's hospital. i'll talk about that in a second. there were ten left on the scene who were not able to self evacuate, so we were able to transport them out working with the arkansas trauma system to make sure they were scattered to
the appropriate hospitals. the two that went to childrens were adults and of course childrens is a pediatric facility. we made sure that those two were transported to the appropriate facilities. there was one other hospital that chief buchner didn't mention because i hadn't told him. conway played into that mix, too, to make sure we spread the patients out because of all the self evacuations. at this point, that's all i have. >> we'll take questions the chief and i and others will take questions here in just a moment. i want to let you know that this feeling of heart break has become all too familiar in this city. this one incident certainly puts a point on a situation that we've seen continuing to increase since last fall. it's not unique to little rock, by the way. it's happening in cities, urban cities throughout the country. i have received calls from new orleans the mayor of new orleans, the mayor of louisville, all of which pledged to do anything they can to help us because we know that we have to have a collective effort and
to learn from each other as it relates to those things. and i know that we have people here in this city that are dedicating their lives to stopping the violence. both in our police department and in the community. we have people in organizations. we have people in our churches that are helping, reaching out, trying to provide an opportunity for young people to go in the right direction instead of the wrong direction, offering mentoring services and others. i know that they are as frustrated as i am that the resources, the time, the money, the coordination are not yet yielding the results that we want. but we must press on. we must continue to press forward as a community. this is a community problem and it's a community issue that we can solve. let me mention a couple things. first of all, the lounge, the ultra power lounge, the abc has suspended the liquor license effective today. the city is going to be placing this property in our criminal abatement program and we will be
shutting this location down, absolutely. the manager of the property is advised that he is also providing an eviction notice to the operators of the lounge, so this activity downtown is going to cease. it also should be of recognition to the other late nightclubs and places that we have that we're going to be extra vigilant as it relates to the issues of people walking the streets with guns. it's very important that we work on trying to remove the guns from the people who should not have them. and who is that? i want to let you know that i've talked with the governor. i've talked with the attorney general, governor hutchenson and i have talked about the importance of putting together a group of both state and local officials that will be working with our probags and parol carrying weapons can be apprehended and prosecuted and convicted and put in jail. we also -- i've talked with our prosecuting attorney and he assigned a special deputy to be
specially deputized with the u.s. attorney's office so we can get those cases adopted to the federal level where the sanctions are much, much more serious and can be kept in jail longer. this is the kind of long-term type of activities that are going to be repeat -- that are going to be yielding results. we've got to take these repeat gun offenders off the streets. which means we have to have increased supervision and monitoring by our probation and parol officers. let me emphasize that we believe this is a very small group of repeat offenders that are bent on violent crime. we have a violent crime apprehension team that of 25 officers that are working all of these hot spots that we receive reports from. it is very important that the community let us know when they hear shots fired so we can be there and try to make sure that we investigate appropriately what is happening at the time. i want you to know that the atf, the alcohol, tobacco and firearms, the fbi and the u.s. marshals office here in little rock and they're here with us
today along with the memphis offices are also working with us as it relates to this specific incident. now, this issue, this problem, this challenge of too many people resolving their disputes with guns cannot be just simply resolved with arrest and conviction. we know that there's going to have to be a difference made in the future for people in terms of giving them something to lose. that is why the city and my board of directors here have dedicated over $5.5 million a year as we continue to do for intervention and prevention programs. it's also why my office is going to continue to make sure that these funds go where they're actually needed. opportunity is the key. and we don't have any magic wand to undo the disparities of opportunity. but together i know with the hard work we can do everything we can to change that so we can deal with the issues of economic mobility, we can assist people in trying to get jobs. it may mean we need more programs that seek to revitalize
neighborhoods, to bring back disadvantaged neighborhoods, to work more aggressively in terms of having people understand the importance of respect and the value of life and property. it may mean asking the community to reach out everyday and be a role model for our young people. we must understand that one person alone cannot solve this problem or be blamed for the problem. a police chief alone can't solve this problem. a minister alone can't solve this problem. a city director alone can't solve this problem. and a mayor alone can't solve this problem. but a citizen alone also cannot solve this problem. but collectively, collectively we as a community can do so. so by working together, by combining smart policy, important investments and certainly using prayer i'm certain that we can make a change and bring safety back to our city. so, with that said, i'm going to
open this up for questions and ask the chief to come forward. i'm sure there's going to be quite a few questions that are going to be asked. chief. >> what can you tell us about the suspects? >> at this time because we're very early in our investigation we're still developing that information as to who was a witness, who was a suspect, who fired shots, who was actually in the location to try to see who saw what. so it's too early for us to know who the suspects are. obviously we know who some of the entertainers were for the event. but right now we don't have any suspect information that we will be able to give you to release to the public. >> you mentioned that there were several -- >> at this point, can you tell us why you believe we don't have anyone in custody? >> because i believe that the incident that occurred we certainly know that it began between what appeared to be rival groups in the audience that was there. so i do not believe that the general public is at risk from these individuals because a dispute is between these two
organizations, whoever else that may have fired shots in that location. and that was the purpose of me making that statement. >> you mentioned that several -- >> let me take the question here, ma'am. go ahead, please. >> a lot of questions coming from the community. we know there's a long-standing feud between little rock and memphis gangs. do you think that situation would be applied to this scenario? >> i think that the history and the challenges of both little rock and memphis are well documented. i think when you have a concert venue where you have young people and force these two cities into a small room and some kind of dispute ensues, it was a recipe for disaster. obviously we'll learn more things as this investigation unfolds. but to say this was a result of conflict between memphis and little rock, i don't have that information to give you that definitive answer. >> chief, you mentioned previous shootings -- >> you said several suspects, are you talking five, ten? can you tell fus they're from
here or out of town? >> because we don't know what we don't know yet. we're still in the process of actively interviewing both victims and witnesses from the venue. i would have no idea as to how many people actually fired shots in that location. >> chief kenton buckner difficult morning and afternoon. you heard from the mayor at the start. he was out giving us important details as well as the chief. the important point here, no deaths at this moment. they have 28 who are injured, 2 critically injured. in terms of the age group, the youngest 16. you got a sense of the sort of tragedy this is for little rock, arkansas, when they're talking about children's hospital and some of those who were injured being moved to that very location. and that hospital not having the proper capabilities. they were mentioning a small group of repeat offenders. this event happening about 2:30 a.m. local time, so only 13
hours after since this tragedy happened at the club. they're talking about the power ultra lounge which is losing its license and now the tenants being asked to be -- be evicted from that very location. not a planned shooting. not terror related. also important points to take away from this it appeared to be somewhat random after a disagreement. we'll stay on stop of this, of course. little rock, arkansas, been ranked number one or number two in terms of the most dangerous small towns of the united states. we'll get you more information and continue to listen to chief bucknor. for now, a short break. we'll be right back.
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smith's work forging, quote, an independent campaign to obtain e-mails he believed were stolen from hillary clinton's private server likely by russian hackers. smith tells "the wall street journal" he worked with mike flynn when flynn was the trump campaign senior adviser. smith believed that flynn was an ally to find these haxers and these e-mails. now if true, these are the first details, as i mentioned, entailing collusion during the election. smith saying, i'm talking to michael flynn about this if you find anything, can you let me know? that's according to eric york a computer security expert. smith saying the hackers were probably around the russian government. as for flynn himself, smith felt the trump campaign senior adviser was a close confident it seems. example one from the report from the "wall street journal" says -- smith in one of his associates said they had a line
of communication with flynn. number two, that smith supported mr. flynn's efforts during the presidential transition to establish relations with russian officials. third example from the report, smith offered to make introductions to mr. flynn's son who worked as chief of staff in his father's company and that smith was helping flynn's son. now the journal's reporting to be specific does not define the role flynn held to find the hacked clinton e-mails, but it does detail for the first time these specifics we just described in part to the watershed accusations against the trump campaign of collusion to influence the election. don't expect public congressional testimony, though, from mr. smith himself. mr. smith died at 81 years old on may 14th. that was about ten days after his "wall street journal" interview. joining us now is former fbi senior agent and terra maller, spokesperson and senior policy adviser for the counterextremism
project and former c.i.a. military intelligence. what do you make of this report that came from the "wall street journal," these connections we just mentioned some of them with mike flynn and peter smith and potentially trump campaign? >> i think the report is really interesting because since we've been watching this investigation we've seen a lot of smoke and been looking for the sparks. we've been looking for the fire. this is one of the first pieces of information that's showing us where the investigation might be looking at the specifics regarding potential collusion. now, there's still a lot we don't know. we're not precisely sure the relationship between this republican operative, general flynn, and other campaign associates, but if the reporting is accurate, it seems that smith himself was in touch with flynn. so if flynn was aware that this was going on whether or not the trump campaign orchestrated it or directed it that does show a level of collusion along a spectrum of collusion. now, it remains to be seen sort of how far up the chain this went, if it was just flynn who was aware of this. if others were aware of this, but i think we've seen a pattern
over time that all roads keep leading us back to general flynn and the investigators robert mueller will be interested to say about all this. >> rick, now, your thought about how far it might go up past flynn. terra also brought up the idea there's a lot of dots here that need to be connected. >> well, i agree there's a lot of things that investigators need to look at. however, i would not see this as even close to being a road map to collusion. first of all, it was in peter smith's best interest to highlight his relationship, if he even had one, with general flynn. he was an ageing political operative who wanted a chip in the game. that's clear. unfortunately investigators aren't going to have access to mr. smith because he's now deceased. it's also a little bit disturbing to me that "the wall street journal" had this information fully two months ago and it seems to me that their timing in releasing the information coincided with sort
of a down period in the russian investigation news cycle. >> do you think it's just that, rick, that they are timing it that way? >> i'm not sure. i mean, i'm not making the editorial decisions for the "wall street journal" or for msnbc. i'm just pointing out that they had this information for a full 60 days before it was released. and the value of the information is suspect, particularly for robert mueller and his investigative team who are going to be focussing on criminality, on the actual collusion with a foreign government who's hostile to the united states. because your primary witness is no longer available to you. and the other witness, general flynn or perhaps general flynn's son, have invoked their fifth amendment rights against self incrimination. so really it's sort of a nonstarter from the standpoint of a criminal investigation. >> just on the 60 days, as you may understand, the journalist practice as they were eluding to in their article itself, they were saying and his circle, eric
york was one of the touch points. you corroborate, get, two, three, four verifications and then you try anogu late to make sure the assertions that are made are most probably true. and in this case, that could be our 60 days in terms of why that time line is there. >> yeah. i agree with that and certainly the other individuals who have come forward and have been identified as a result of the article would be of interest to investigators. but from a criminal investigative standpoint that could go into the realm of hearsay because it wasn't the direct witness, it wasn't the individual allegedly dealing with general flynn. >> terra, you brought up that idea of how far up this might go or may not. and this report is, again, one person's account and then corroborated by details from other individuals in his circle. what stood out to you in this report? >> sure. and i might add there's still a lot we don't know. having said that, i agree that we, you know, smith is now deceased but that doesn't mean
that there couldn't potentially be records of either conversations or e-mails he had with general flynn. again, we don't know this at this point in time. also if i might add, this is potentially one narrative in the potential spectrum of collusion that investigators are looking at. this doesn't mean that there weren't other perhaps inappropriate contacts. it doesn't mean that collusion couldn't have taken other forms, but i think this is the first example where we've seen at least individuals suggesting he was in communication with a member -- general flynn was appointed to be the national securitied a viseder, a very senior level efficient within the campaign. i agree it's possible he was exaggerating or inflating his relationship with flynn to sort of overstate his credentials, but that's what the investigators need to look at and there should be a track record if there were conversations with general flynn. a lot of information has been subpoenaed by the committee. so undoubtedly between flynn's speaks and between the documents themselves we'll have the answer to that question. but i do think it's worth looking into. as are other contacts had throughout the course of the campaign. i agree, i'm not making a verdict on it yet. i'm just saying this is a
concrete tangible piece of information about a potential way that collusion might have taken place. >> all right. thank you so much, terra maller, rick schwein. appreciate your time. >> thank you. any day this july 4th week america will shut its doors to refugees. it's expected the new 50,000 limit for those fleeing to the united states for physical and political safety will be reached. the old cap was 110,000 refugees per year. this is all part of the trump immigration ban. latest word not the chaos we saw in january when the ban first took effect. things going smoothly. right now the only immigrants from six muslim majority countries allowed to enter the united states have, quote, bona fide relationships with someone in this country. that's the only allowance right now. and this means the following get yes to enter the country. parents -- including parents in-law if you will. spouses, fiances, childrens,
adult, son or daughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, sibling whether whole or half and including step relationships. those that will be turned away, though, for visas at the moment, grandparents, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews. hours after the court's decision on thursday, hawaii's attorney general did issue a legal challenge against the ban's enforcement saying the government's interpretation is too restrictive. the supreme court will hear both sides of that argument in october. >> the court rejected this whole narrative of the left that his orders -- that the president's orders were wrong and unjustified and unconstitutional. so i think it was a great victory for the president. meanwhile, house republicans are echoing the president's narrative by passing a bill known as kate's law. it's named after a san francisco woman who was allegedly killed by an undocumented immigrant. >> this legislation presents a
simple choice. either vote to save and protect american lives or vote to shield and comfort criminal aliens who threaten innocent lives. and they've been shielded too long. >> joining me now is criminal defense and immigration attorney alex. thanks for being with me, alex. >> thank you very much for having me. >> so we have talked about this topic since the initial immigration ban took effect in january. what are you hearing about what's happening on the ground now that we're really in day two, not a full day two of the immigration ban being back in effect? >> so things are changing. obviously we haven't heard anything big at the airports or anything yet, but there's a lot of confusion out there. as you noted earlier, what happened here is now for parents and spouses hypothetically or children that are going to be able to come into the country, but this is restricting grandparents and this is restricting stepparents and aunts and uncles and other things like that. so a lot of people don't know what's going on.
i mean, hypothetically this is the supreme court saying that a grandmother may be more dangerous or more of a threat to national security than someone's father is. and a lot of these people who have families and relationships and people who have gone on vacation, they don't know what to do now and they're kind of sitting in limbo and sitting in confusion until this is more further defined. >> have you or your group gotten any calls from clients or potential clients saying we don't know what's happening? we're now at a port of entry and there's -- there is some confusion that is not being handled well? >> so we've gotten questions. we've gotten questions before people have left and questions from family members here on the ground. >> right. >> what we've told them is this, just because the law is one way, even if they can legally come in, even if they're a parent or spouse or fiance or anything like that, that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be easy. now, what the law is doesn't always translate to what happens on the ground. >> which we saw in january. >> exactly. exactly. and these people may be there for hours.
they may go into secondary, they may get deported back. they may be forced to sign some kind of waiver and then send them back. it's really tough. even if they can come into the country, that doesn't necessarily mean that on the ground they're going to legally get into the country also. >> another point we watch -- you may have heard at the top of your segment here is that during july 4th week we may now stop future refugees, more refugees from coming to america. and that is because we've hit that 50,000, that new 50,000 number cap. what are you hearing and what are you seeing on that? will the state department change the number? >> i don't think the state department will. i mean, right now the trump administration, the state department, they're trying to do whatever they can to make these more and more restrictive. and right now we have the supreme court. it's five republicans, four democrats. and we just heard that justice kennedy he may be retiring,
which would give trump even more control. every time that a lou aw is now coming up, trump knows he has a good chance to restrict that law even more than if it goes up to the supreme court. they know they have a real fighting chance. so we don't think that number is going to get any higher. we think they're going to try to restrict it as best as they can. >> quickly here, refugee clients. give me a sense of what you're hearing from them. again, some time this coming week, no more. >> they're scared. i mean, this is a country, the u.s., that it should be and should be willing to take people who have been persecuted because of their beliefs or religion somewhere else. we are a country that said we are going to help them with this issue. and they're going to be here and they're going to be free and they're going to have everything. these people are now scared because they're being persecuted in their own country because of something they believe in that may be right in the u.s. and now they're not going to be able to get safety in our country because of it.
so, it's a really tough time for them. they're really scared and they don't know how to deal with it. >> immigration attorney there in san diego, california. thank you so much, sir. appreciate it. >> thanks so much. have a good one. >> you, two. when we come back, the issue impacting millions coast to coast. health care that topic at the dinner table and the backlash being felt at confrontational town halls across the country as well. angry voters sounding off against the senate gop's plan to scrap obamacare. >> everybody's got a piece of this pie, so we need those. to your rheumatologist about a medication... ...this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain... ...and protect my joints from further damage. humira has been clinically studied for over 18 years. humira works by targeting and helping to... ...block a specific source... ...of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain and... ...stop further joint damage in many adults. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers,
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i'm sitting there with a rue bik's cube trying to figure out how to twist the dials to get to 50 to replace this with something better than this. stabilizing these markets is important. >> that's senate majority leadered mitch mcconnell last night in kentucky. comparing passing trumpcare to a game of rubik's cube. it is a game not to the millions
of people who could lose health insurance if this bill passes. >> i'll tell you what's rude, kicking 22 million people off their health care in this country who you know cannot afford it. you worked at the earl cay long hospital for a long time. you know what people are like at their lowest. so to step on their necks by kicking them off their health care at this point, that's cruel, sir. i think what you need to do as louisianaen, go back to washington, d.c. and stand up for the people who are here and saying we need our health care. >> senator bill cassidy getting an earful at a town hall in louisiana. we have sean sullivan, congressional reporter and sean illing reporter for fox. great to see both of you. sean illing, i'll start with you first. this rubik's cube he's making comparison to get to 50. there's 50 different ways of using a rubik's cube to complete
that puzzle. does he have in this case as many options? and number two, how close is he to getting to completing the cube? >> well truth is that nobody really knows how close he is exactly. but from what we can tell they appear far away. there's just -- they've backed themselves into a corner here and there's too many different constituencies within the republican party. in order to appeal one wing, you're going to displease another wing. and i don't see how at this point they can come out of this with a solution that will appease all the constituencies and be something that they can sell to the american public. they really are backed into a corner. >> backed into a corner, rock in a hard place, you've heard that over the last couple of weeks. so sean sullivan, we were at least those watching us were saying when thursday didn't happen, the next break of ten days, start ten days of a lot of this sort of stuff where the constituents in these districts will be not very happy across
the states that they're returning to. is this next ten days here sean sullivan going to be a battering of some of these republican senators? >> well, i think there was a reason why mitch mcconnell wanted to get this thing done before the recess because he didn't want this lingering into a period where you have lawmakers appearing at parades. where they're going to be at town halls. where they're going to be interacting with constituents. >> cafes. >> we saw with bill cassidy already, they're already getting an earful from some constituents. and i think it's worrisome to mcconnell where you might have a situation where some of these members come back over the break and say we heard a lot of concerns from our constituents. we just can't support this thing. >> sean illing, is there a hail mary here? president trump does not seem to be an assist here, at least that's what's being said at the moment on this saturday? but is there a hail mary here for mitch mcconnell? >> if there is, i don't see it.
i think fundamentally the problem is that this is not really a health care bill. it's a tax cut. and yet they have to sell it as a health care bill. and that's not what it does. this fundamentally redistributes money from poor people or takes away health care from poor people and gives a giant tax break to rich people. that is a very difficult case to make, particularly in these republican constituencies where people rely on things like medicaid and medicare. so i just don't know how they can go back to their constituencies or to their constituents rather and sell this. it's really a tough climb. >> that trillion dollar number you're talking about, right, sean illing. sean sullivan, so the democrats then have an opening? and as they have been working through that, as you know, there are at least two camps. chuck schumer saying let's work together. let's get the tweaks done, right? then you have the base, the bernie sanders, if you will, more to the left saying, hey, let's go for it. let's go for a single payer
system. what are you seeing on the democratic side? >> well, right now i think they're waiting to see what happens with this republican push. we don't know where this is going to end. we don't know if there's actually ever going to be a vote on this bill that mitch mcconnell has released. and mcconnell is sort of threatening his own members in a way. he's saying, look, if this thing fall ace part, i'm going to work with chuck schumer and work with democrats. part of why he's saying that is to get some members worried. look, if we don't support this thing, the next thing that comes down the line will be even worse than what we're looking at right now for some conservatives. i think he's trying to get some conservatives in line with that. the reality is it's very difficult to see schumer and mcconnell and democrats and republicans actually sitting at a table working on health care together. the differences are so big between them. that seems virtually impossible at this point. >> but sean illing, isn't that america wants? can you just focus on the voters and constituents for a second?
can you sit down and work through this as the democrats try to figure out what is the dominant ideology saying the same thing of the democrats and republicans, get together? >> i don't think there's any question that americans are tired of this impasse in congress and obstructionism. as sean said the two parties the kazism is so wide that i don't see any potential for compromise here. so i just don't know how anything gets done. >> well, it's going to be a long ten days for many of them as they have to answer these questions that the both of you report on so much. thank you so much, sean sullivan, sean illing on this saturday. have a good one. >> thank you. a second ensurer in ohio this weekend announcing that it is leaving obamacare and the exchange in ohio. people in nearly one out of four counties will not be able to get obamacare plans as a result next year in part. with me now democratic congresswoman of ohio. thanks for being with me.
>> thank you so very much. >> so why do you believe this latest ensurer and others have left your state? >> you know, when they look at what's happening in washington, it doesn't give one much comfort that the leaders of the country, either the president or members of congress and his party know what they're doing. it doesn't create a great deal of confidence. and for ohio, with the republican proposal which basically is over $800 billion in tax cuts and tax give aways to the richest people in the country who all have good health plans, all right, taking it away from those who are ill, who are suffering, who are in nursing homes, the disabled the mentally ill, the elderly, the list goes on. their rates will go up and here in ohio, sir, what will happen is we will have rural hospital closings as well as we estimate over 400,000 people or more will lose their insurance because we
insured about close to 1 million people now under the affordable care act. people who have had cancer operations, people who have epilepsy and can afford their medicine. senior citizens able because of the medicaid buy-in ohio to live out their days and months in digni dignity. this republican proposal is anti--life. i can't believe that senator mcconnell coming from the rural state that he does that he doesn't know this. he's a very intelligent man. so, i think that we have a responsibility to the country to put a coalition together to improve what may be shortcomings of the affordable care act, but not to throw the whole thing out and create a tizzy in the country. >> so polling shows, though, that folks want across america want the fix as well. that's the number about 46%, i believe, in the latest poll. they want a fix, not necessarily to throw it out or repeal. that's at least the largest number. >> yes. and the president promised that in the campaign. he said that he would allow for
coalitions of states to come together if the state wasn't big enough, for example, some of the smaller states are having trouble. >> you're talking about being able to buy across lines, across state lines is that what you're saying representative? >> yes, yes. >> that's one of the ideas in theoretically he's still behind that and we've seen some on the right and left agreeing to that solution. but i want to get your perspective on the question i was asking the two seans and that is which do you think is better for democrats at this moment? to go for, if you will, the single payer, the more of the hail mary, if you will, or to go with the fixes which is a chuck schumer sort of move? >> well, i think initially we have to go with the fixes. i think small business wants that. i think that certainly our major hospital systems, our -- the structure of health care in this country, you can't shake it that much too often. you cause too much damage.
and there isn't the certainty. we need to give certainty. and i think if we fix the shortcomings, begin to do that, you can have a public option down the road. you can have a medicare buy-in down the road. but you can't do it all at once. you have to take a step at a time. and quite frankly, i think that we have to have competitive bidding for prescription drugs because so many of the people i represent simply can't afford their medicine. that's wrong. >> thank you so much, representative for stopping by. marcy kaptor there of ohio. great state. thank you so much except for that place called osu. have a good one. >> the ohio state. >> i had to work that in. sorry. talk to you soon. it's shaping up to be one of the most consequential g20 summits in years. president trump set to meet one on one with vladimir putin amid a growing probe into russia's election meddling. s check everyx months i'm accident free. because i don't use my cellphone when i'm driving.
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visit to hamberg, germany, next week. the president and vladimir putin are scheduled to meet on the side lines of the g-20 summit there but the administration down played the meeting as one of many the president will take part in over two days. he heads to the summit over international concern over his ability to handle foreign affairs. 22% expressed confidence in the president and final contrast to barack obama with 64% expressing confidence. that data from pew research center polling 37 nations and finding that low global confidence for president trump has led to lower ratings for the u.s. joining me now is editor for the atlantic and friend steve clemens. great to have you on set. >> great to be with you. great tie, about the i way. >> july fourth, my friend. what is going to happen? vladimir putin sitting down with president trump and what might concern those who are sensitive
to this euro-u.s. relationship. >> there are a couple of -- if you go back, you remember kennedy's meeting with crushoff and he thought that jfk was unprepared, didn't know the world and it sent signals that russia then took very aggressive actions after. many people look at trump as unstudied, having no real agenda. and even mcmasters and the national security adviser have said they don't know what the agenda is. donald trump is going to call the shots and have the conversation he want to have and which is another way of saying he is going to wing it. and this is a critical time. and that kind of posture tells our allies in europe and other leading g-20 nations that the united states doesn't look serious and that has consequences. >> they don't look serious. the numbers from pugh research and the comment it is a loss in the confidence in the country not only from the leader, do you
see that decoupling a lack of confidence in president trump means a lack of confidence in the american economy, because the economy is doing well. >> fundamentally the economy is doing well so far. we'll see how it goes when you see the unraveling of trade regimes. but right now the nations in the world that like us best and have confidence in president trump are nigeria, the philippines, vietnam, russia and israel. and israel is a serious friend and a serious ally and country but that is an odd assortment of nations that you really can't do with much in the world in the aggregate and those nations don't believe in the united states and its leadership. they may benefit from the economy and other transnational structures that america is part of but that decreasing confidences have has real consequences in their trust us of in other issues. >> this might be the new world
order we are living through -- >> disorder. >> disorder or order that we are trying to define. and you are part of that discussion. what does president xi in china, what role does he have in this -- >> such a great question and almost nobody is paying attention to it. and anglo america is going to say we need to continue to preserve and move forward the global trading order and preserve and move forward our collective response globally to climate change and figuring out how to kind of keep together the pieces in the cop -- top 21 talks and who is the other candidate is jing ping and he gave a speech and didn't mention by name but don't worry about the misbehaving big power, we will help preserve the global order and help the world forward on climate change. so the story that is not told yet is i think jing ping and merkel are going to be the new
allies out of the g-20 summit, despite what goes on with putin and donald trump. >> i guess that is what you are saying. when we look at poll among leaders and we have more numbers on that, donald trump finished dead last in the polling behind merkel and jinping and putin -- you could see the numbers. donald trump with 22% confidence and no confidence, 74%, merkel is at the top. >> angela merkel is like the leader of the free world right now. that is extraordinary numbers for any leader. >> we had that conversation in brussels on this very topic. >> the cynicism about the united states now is very high. and look, i'm hoping at some point this president figures out which way to go and figures out how to restore trust in the country. but it is beyond trust. it is the tafact that allies ar counting on us less and less and and that is one reason for the
fragility in the world. >> and one headline out of the g-20 summit. >> shift between china and europe. >> great to have you here. steve clemens. msnbc contributor and editor at large at the atlantic. at the top of the hour we check in with the trump white house which finds itself in new jersey this weekend. we'll dig into a report about a republican operative who claims he was working for mike flynn to get his hands on hillary clinton's e-mails and the latest on the voter backlash against the gop obamacare repeal and much more. stick around. we'll be right back. oice hotels. four words, badda book. badda boom... let it sink in. shouldn't we say we have the lowest price? nope, badda book. badda boom. have you ever stayed with choice hotels? like at a comfort inn? yep. free waffles, can't go wrong. i like it. promote that guy. get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed. when you book direct at choicehotels.com.
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