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unfortunately, i don't believe in the next one. i wish i did. >> it's too late to turn back the clock. >> i looked down. there was a knife and i just stabbed her like 17 times apparently. >> and now -- >> [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> the pain of incarceration begins to take a toll. >> like a dog [ bleep ] jabbed with a stick all day long. i'm pissed off. >> i understand that. >> i'm pissed off. >> no kidding. ♪ oh yea charleston south carolina is rich in civil war landmarks including the old city jail.
an operation between 1902 and 1939. the occupants include a prison of war between the army and pirates. today, the charleston county jail is the sheriff al cannon detention center. it houses about 1300 men and women. >> selling some cookies for some noodles, man. got to keep their stomachs full because they don't get [ bleep ] in here. >> most are awaiting resolution of their cases. tilghman kronsberg is only a few days away from his one year anniversary here and his stay isn't likely to end soon. >> it's been horrible. i'm not used to this. you know, there's a lot of guys who come in here and it's no big deal to them. they're content with it and i just can't seem to find that mentality.
this is my cheese dip, consists of different kind of potato chips audiotape crushed up. add pickle juice and water. mmm, so good. i grew up actually pretty privileged until i was about 12 years old. my parents had a lot of money, but my father, he had a drug problem and so i went from living in a mansion to living in a room in the back of someone's house that had a bathroom connected to it. i didn't have very many friends growing up at all because i think i threw people off. i was a very sad, depressed child. when i grew up, i went to drugs and alcohol to help me cope with everything. >> drugs and alcohol soon led to short jail stays and a variety of related convictions. >> possession of marijuana, public intoxication, open container, stuff like that. i was not a kid who thought i wanted to do this with my life. what i wanted to do was win the lottery and sit on a beach and get [ bleep ] up everyday.
>> good fortune would not be in kronsberg's future. he's charged with first-degree murder of his girlfriend. he admits to killing her but pled not guilty in hopes of reaching a plea deal. if found guilty, his trial is eligible for the death penalty. >> i cried every day for like three or four months. i'm crying not because i'm in jail or spending the rest of my life in prison it's for taking her life. more painful than any of this, you know. i can deal with this. >> kronsberg said on the night of his killing, he and his girlfriend got into a heated argument inside of their apartment. >> i didn't come home to kill her, you know. there's no malice or forethought or anything. it just happened. >> there's no witnesses and kronsberg said he blocked out some details, his girlfriend
picked up a hammer and threatened to kill him and then he grabbed it from her. >> allegedly, i hit her on the head with it while i was choking her and next thing i knew, she was on the ground and she wasn't moving. so i started screaming. i was freaking out. i was throwing things all over the room and i looked down, there was a knife and i just stabbed her body like 17 times apparently. but i think that she had already been deceased. i can't be 100% sure. i just didn't know what to do. i didn't know if i should call the police, turn myself in. i decided that i was just going to die. take the easy way out and not have to deal with any of it. i took something like 40 sleeping pills, a bottle of aspirin and downed like a fifth of vodka. i woke up and i was like, [ bleep ], i can't believe i'm alive. this is from the night of what happened.
>> kronsberg made another attempt to kill himself by slitting his wrists. >> i don't remember anything after that. apparently i was in the hospital for like four or five days. >> kronsberg was brought directly from the hospital to the jail. like many murder cases, his is moving slowly. >> i've been here for a year and my lawyer tells me i'll be here for two more years. i've been denied twice for bond. >> i want to know what you have on your cht. can you tell me about it? >> it's a heart oozing black blood. it's just how i feel about myself. >> what's the writing? >> this says tempt not a desperate man from romeo and juliet. i know. coming up -- >> he had buck which is homemade alcohol. >> tilghman winds up in segregation. >> last time i was in lock up, i made a noose out of mattress cover, weaving the strips together. >> it won't happen again,
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♪ inside the sheriff al cannon detention center, more than 1300 inmates face low points in their lives and uncertainty in their futures. this setting, tempers will flare. violence will break out over just about anything. but some inmates are learning alternatives to survival of the fittest. >> who's going to be my main actor first, leo? >> i give you today, he say he's going to let me get the tray. you didn't give me it.
you sold it to somebody else. you've got two items for the price of one. what's up with that? >> it's jail, man. it's the hustle. you know what i'm saying? we don't get up for breakfast, you can have the breakfast tray if you want. >> amy boch created a program called turning leaf. >> remember, you are thinking of different ways to apologize involves brainstorming two different ways you can at least apologize to somebody, okay? >> it's geared towards offenders who will soon be released in hopes they won't return or at least not escalate their criminal activity. >> i can go ahead on and tell him to get over it. he's not getting a honey bun. i go ahead and apologize to him now because that would be the right thing to do and i did give my word. >> you're right. it's my fault. tomorrow's dinner tray, i'll let you have the dinner tray. that's not a problem. >> no problem. >> good job. love it. the idea behind this class is our thinking controls our behavior and if we can get a good grasp on our thinking patterns, we can have different lives. partner, partner. officer heyward, i'm sorry for
cursing at you. i know that wasn't the right thing to do. i'm having a bad day. will you accept my apology? >> i'm really shocked at your behavior. i really am. i can understand having a bad day. let's go back on your schedule and make sure this doesn't happen again. >> it won't happen again. thanks. >> realize i'm going to jail. >> amy is awesome. i have to admit, when i first went into the class, i thought she was a plant. i thought it wauz scheme to have us give more than what we should as far as neutralizing our own defense as far as our charges are concerned. >> go in the box next time. >> over the course of time, you realize she's down to earth and she looks at us like we're
people. she doesn't see the jump suit, she doesn't see the bars, she doesn't see the locked doors. she sees people and she sees potential. >> leonard heyward grand larceny and pled not guilty. he is awaiting trial. >> it's not my first rodeo. it's not my first time, but things are a little different. i'm a little older. i have less time to play with. >> though he has had some minor convictions in the past, heyward says all he wants now is to get home to his 10-year-old daughter. >> she's the best parts of me. she made me a better person. what bothers me the most is that i let my daughter down. >> heyward could go home to his daughter now but has chosen to wait. >> in all honesty, i could have bonded out a month and a half ago, but no. i signed up for the class for a reason, you know, something inside, you know, a spirit was telling me, go to the class, continue the class until i
graduate from that class. read your bible. let's broadcast the lord right quick. >> bonding out is not an option for tilghman kronsberg, who's awaiting trial for the murder of his 25-year-old girlfriend. she was struck with a hammer, choked, and stabbed multiple times. in the days prior to the killing, kronsberg changed the cover photo of his facebook page. it was a bloody image from a movie about a serial killer. >> it's the worst thing possible. i mean, my lawyer when i first met him, he just slammed the paper against the window and i was just like, are you [ bleep ] kidding me? i can't believe that was on there. i just changed that too. >> until recently, kronsberg was housed in the jail's maximum security wing where he kept a low profile. >> i've known mr. kronsberg for about a year. he's a quiet inmate. he'll walk around all day. if you tell him to do something, he'll do it. >> thank you, sir. >> when the inmate is always doing the right things, you
still have cell searches to do and you still search them. >> during his cell search eight days earlier, officers found contraband in kronsberg's box of personal items. >> as soon as we touched his box, he said, oh my god. we pulled the cap of it off and he had buck, which is homemade alcohol and he had enough to fill a basketball up. >> i'm pretty much an alcoholic, so i like to make wine while i'm in here. >> some people can hold their drink, some can't. some of them, if they get liquored up, it might be a good throw down here. without the buck, you've got problems, but with the buck, you've got real problems. >> drinking isn't the best part, it's making it and taking care of it. it's something for me to constantly do during the week. i have to check it, make sure the temperature is right. heat it up, what it needs to be, burp the bag. all that stuff is just something to do. >> if kronsberg was bored before, it will be worse now. he was given 30 days in
disciplinary segregation. locked in a single person cell 23 hours per day with few possessions. >> thank you. >> this is the only thing i look forward to for the day. it's just something, anything, you know? sitting in this room all day, not talking to anyone, food comes in, i'm busy for five minutes doing something. i'm eating. it's just something, you know? it's anything other than sitting here staring at the wall. >> disciplinary segregation is used for punishment purposes to teach the inmate their behavior is not accepted in the general population. a lot of them who come in here, don't want to come back in here so they learn their lesson. >> last time i was locked up, i made a noose out of mattress cover by ripping the strips and weaving them together. there's a little half inch gap at the top of the light fixture
that goes to the ceiling and i just slid it right through. and on the day i hung it up, i was pacing around the room trying to get the balls or whatever you want to say to do it. they called me on the intercom to say that they're letting me out three days early and if it wasn't for that, i definitely would have hung myself. i had every intention of, you know, being done with all this. >> i think being locked in a room for a long period of time really takes a toll on them emotionally. >> amy who asked we not use her last name is the jail's mental health supervisor. she tries to check in periodically with inmates. today is her first meeting with kronsberg. >> i want to check with how you're doing. how's your sleep? >> not good. i sleep like four hours a day. i go at 2:00 and wake up at 6:00. that's it.
>> four hours a night in jail? not so bad. it's not what you want to hear, i'm sure. it's not okay when you're on the outside. in jail, it's difficult to sleep. do you have any information as far as how much longer you might be in jail? >> my lawyer thinks two more years. >> how do you feel about that? >> not good. this place is like limbo. >> i hear that a lot, that it's the sitting around and waiting. it sounds like he's got issues of hopelessness. his first time in a disciplinary unit, actually contemplated suicide. it does concern me that he has that type of history. he's somebody we'll have to follow pretty closely. >> what about your support system? do you have anybody -- >> my mother which is crazy because we both have a horrible relationship. we always hated each other but since i've been in here, our relationship has grown into a beautiful thing. >> that's great. >> it's really nice. oftenpports me lo as she can.
she's going through radiation. her cancer just came back for the second time. >> i'm sorry to hear that. >> thanks, she's dealing with all of this crap and then, of course, me. i know how this sounds but she gives me a reason to live, you know? i mean, besides her, there's really not much. >> coming up -- >> i knew something was not going to end well with tilghman. >> tilghman kronsberg's mother pays a visit. >> stabbed 40 times. >> the first knife wound that i remember, the knife actually went up and went into my tongue. >> inmates learn about the devastating aftermath of a violent crime. ng that. what, you think we own stock in the electric company? i will turn this car around right now! there's nobody back there. i was becoming my father. [ clears throat ] it's...been an adjustment, but we're making it work. you know, progressive.com makes it easy for us to get the right home insurance. [ snoring ] progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents,
♪ oh, did he just blow a kiss at me? >> right. >> behind the walls of the sheriff al cannon detention center. >> a guilt coming out. in the alley, why didn't i take it seriously? >> the turning leaf program attempts to assure that inmates with non-violent crimes don't come back to jail or escalate to
more serious crimes. >> also confused. >> people that are the victims of crime want to know why. you'll hear that come up in some of our testimonies you'll hear. >> founded by amy barch, it's the concept of restorative justice. >> it's an approach that says it's important to bring people together of the crime and for us to get together and see one another as people and build compassion and understanding. that's where real change happens. when we choose violence as a way to respond to problems, we have to stand responsible for what happens even if that intent is never there. >> 8 years earlier, ryan kary was one of 12 victims of a murder and robbery spree carried out in virginia. >> we were lucky to have ryan with us to share his testimony and he's going to talk about how assault impacted his life. >> kary was left with permanent injuries to his right arm and head. >> the first time i talked, i
couldn't sit in the chair. i was just shaky and nervous, but it's very rewarding. about 8 years ago, i got off work at night and i was going home to have dinner with my family. parked across the street from my folk's house and was walking across the street and a car stopped at the stop sign and the passenger got out. and came up to me asking for directions. as soon as he got up to me, he hit me. kind of stepped back, reached for my wallet, gave him my wallet and then the driver of the car got out and threw me on the ground and started stabbing me. got myhroat it, i got my lung punctured, i got stabbed 40 times. the first knife wound that i
remember was the knife actually went up and it went through my tongue and so for months after the assault, i couldn't even really talk. i was able to get up and get into my parents' house and the last thing i was able to do with my right hand is lock the door. i was able to get up and get away because they had broken off all the knives inside me, so they ran out of weapons. i passed out on the rug and got all the way into the emergency room and my heart stopped. and spent two months in a hospital. i had, i think, 25 surgeries in a span of two years. when i was in the hospital, my dad had to wipe my ass for me. i couldn't do anything by myself.
i felt useless. i felt like my manhood was gone. i couldn't have any kind of a relationship with women. i couldn't really have any relationships with anybody. i was a mess. i drank and took drugs. i put myself in situations where i thought i might harm myself because i just didn't care. i thought about suicide all the time, so i'm really, really lucky to be here. my confidence is still crap, you know? i can't interview well. anytime i have interactions with people, i keep my hand in my pocket. this happened 8 years ago and i'm still embarrassed and, you know, because it's -- my life is totally different. >> were you panicked when people walk up to you and try to talk to you? >> not anymore. no, i kind of -- i got over that. but i couldn't leave the house.
>> couldn't leave the house? >> i couldn't leave the house, no. i couldn't, you know, i mean, it sucks to say this, but it's the truth. a couple black guys did it and if i was walking down the street, a couple black dudes were walking towards me, that was it. i was going the other direction. >> i understand. >> i'm over that now, but it's in your head, you know, and you can't get it out of your head. >> right. >> was there any loss of faith in god or gain of faith as a result of the situation? >> i was looking for god's help when i was being stabbed for sure, but after the fact, i had no faith in god. how could god let something like this happen to me? i never hurt anybody in my life. but, i think, as time as gone on, i don't -- i have a lot of faith in people.
i'm spiritual, i guess, is the -- there's a lot of good in the world. i mean, i've had a good life. i've had so much luck in my life. it's just this one incident of bad luck. >> even though i'm in here and i'm an offender, i never committed a violent crime, but your story, it transforms my mind, you know. it makes me think a lot further, you know, even a person or victim of crimes could transform to something else. >> thank you for being with us today. [ applause ] >> consistently what they'll tell me the thing that impacted me the most was hearing from the victims. he thinks, ryan went through all of that trauma, no fault of his own and he's been able to continue on. he hasn't turned to a life of crime. i think that provides them with
an ability to reflect on their own life and think about what's possible for them. >> he got stabbed 40 times. coming up -- >> created this, right? >> yes, sir. >> you think that's safe to be in here? >> obviously, it is not. >> more troubles for tilghman kronsberg. brian, i just had a quick question. brian? brian... legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. you're saying the new app will go live monday?! yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. i'm not a customer, but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. give it. sure! it's free for everyone. oh! well that's nice! and checking your score won't hurt your credit. oh! i'm so proud of you. well thank you. free at at discover.com/creditscorecard,
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♪ [ bleep ] get off the pot. >> oh, oh. >> inside the sheriff al cannon detention center in charleston, tilghman kronsberg is nearing the end of 30 days in disciplinary segregation for making buck or homemade alcohol. he's allowed out of his cell an hour per day but usually walks in the rec yard. >> fresh air is nice. being cooped up in a room all day. sometimes 3 e's out, i can talk to people from my old unit. >> kronsberg said the last time he was in segregation, he contemplated suicide and even made a noose. >> i'm on new medication, so i feel a little better.
it's pretty depressing being in here, you know, no one to talk to. >> what goes through your mind? >> just every bad thing i've done to get where i'm at now. it's pretty much all i think about. you know, i guess it's kind of what i deserve. >> kronsberg is awaiting trial for the murder of his 25-year-old girlfriend. during a heated argument, he allegedly choked her, struck her with a hammer and stabbed her multiple times. jail officials allowed us to give him a video camera to record personal thoughts about this or anything else in privacy. >> i was very emotionally involved with the girl. i imagine that if i wasn't so emotionally involved with her, there would have been a different outcome. you know, i lost my [ bleep ], blacked out.
i don't remember half of it. i don't know. it's just unbelievable to me. i loved her more than anything in the [ bleep ] world and i just can't believe this happened. this life is over for me. unfortunately, i don't believe in the next one. i wish i did and i hope i'm wrong. but then again if i am wrong, i'll be going straight to hell. so i'm pretty much [ bleep ] either way. >> kronsberg completed his time in segregation but two weeks later, he might be headed back. this time for allegedly crafting an unusual weapon. >> this ball has been manufactured from pieces of peeled paint and probably has a toilet paper core or pieces of fabric as a core, something to wrap the paint around.
>> that's harder than a golf ball right there. >> and it doesn't even mark it when you hit it against concrete. >> two nights ago, they searched my room. they found a ball i had made out of paint that i used to bounce against the wall, a tennis ball out of boredom thing. i'm about to go in front of the board to present my argument to them and they are going to make a decision on whether i can stay or go. good morning, members of the board. i've prepared a little thing to read. i hope, if you don't mind. >> could you have a seat, please. >> yes, sir. >> he's presented with the accusations against him, possession of a weapon and defacing public property. >> kronsberg, this is your opportunity to tell us what happened. >> yes, sir. thank you, sir. first off, what i wanted to say is i completely understand and agree with the officer's
decision. i can totally see why he would think this could be a weapon. it was a hardball of paint and i used it to just bounce off the walls, sort of like a tennis ball out of boredom. i've been in jail for 14 months and locked up twice before. in both cases, i signed the paper and admitted my guilt and this time, i am completely innocent of the charges against me. the idea that this ball was a weapon is completely unfounded. i have had no violent anything since i have been in here the past 14 months. >> mr. kronsberg, here's my issue with your story and your history. >> yes, sir. >> how many times have you been in 1a for serious violations? >> twice all together since i've been in jail. >> have you heard the term progressive discipline? >> yes, sir. i have. >> you know what that means? >> yes, sir.
>> the more you break rules, the more time you're going to serve in lock-up. >> i understand that. i can assure you, i will never, ever, ever do this again. >> i believe you. >> you know -- >> you just have a history of trying to create stuff is what it looks like. >> you manufacture that ball, you leave it on your shelf, you roommate gets mad, puts it in his sock and cracks a person in the skull. who introduced item that became a weapon? >> i did, but it never became a weapon. >> because we got you. >> you can't charge me if i never made it a weapon. >> you made a dangerous weapon that could hurt someone seriously. >> it was a ball, man. you know -- >> you created this, right? >> yes, sir. >> you think that's safe to be in here? >> obviously, it is not. and i was wrong to create it. >> thank you.
anybody else have anymore questions? thank you, mr. kronsberg. you can step out. >> a few minutes later, kronsberg is brought back into the hearing room. >> the disciplinary board found you guilty on both charges. you're being sentenced to 40 days in disciplinary status. >> 40 days, are you serious? >> you were looking at 50. your actions have shown you have not learned. progressively, we're adding ten days. you got less than the maximum but you need to change how you behave within the facility. >> i'll be sure not to make any toys from now on. >> here's your copy. >> 40 [ bleep ] days. god, this is some [ bleep ].
bull [ bleep ] >> 13, i believe. >> all right. hey, thanks for coming and seeing me, amy. i appreciate it. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ] [ bleep ] >> amy, the jail's mental health specialist saw kronsberg the last time he was in segregation and helped him get a change in medication. >> he obviously made a choice that earned him some more disciplinary time. the only thing is that he might have projected some of the feelings on to me. [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> i think he should take responsibility for that and not blame that on my lack of being
able to follow up with him as much as he would like to. ♪ coming up -- >> got the pizza party coming at the end. not really worried about the pizza, man. i'm worried about getting on out of here. >> the turning leaf inmates prepare for graduation and tilghman kronsberg gets a visit from home. >> me giving into them, i'm not doing that. >> i'm hanging up. >> you're hanging up? >> yeah, because i can't listen to this anymore. >> dress out two to dress out one. everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪
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detention center in charleston. >> so this is a really good start for the impact that violent crime has on an individual. >> the turning leaf program run by amy barch is in the final weeks of classes. >> at the end of the course, we have a graduation. i always tell the participants that's my day off and it's their opportunity to run the class. they do poems, testimonials. >> amy asked leonard heyward to emcee the ceremony. >> looking forward to it. the pizza party at the end. >> not worried about the pizza, man. worried about getting out of here. i can't sit back behind the wall and watch life pass me by. my motivation is that i have a daughter to get back to. i'm working on bonding out directly after graduation. i'm hoping they call my name as i have the certificate in my hand and that's it and then i'm out the door. >> check. tilghman kronsberg will also leave the jail someday but it
will most likely be on a bus to state prison. >> you have a visitor. >> kronsberg admits to killing his girlfriend during an argument in which he said she threatened him with a hammer but even those closest to him are not optimistic about his future. >> i think he'll go to jail for a long time. i think i'll be dead before he gets out. i'll never be with him. i know t how you doing today? >> all right. >> jean reese is kronsberg's mother. even though he was sent to segregation for creating a weapon, he is still allows one visit per week. >> see your id. >> reese tries to see him while undergoing treatment for breast cancer. >> when i first got in, i don't know how to say or feel, i was shocked about what he'd done but i thought, he's my son and i love him. i went in and when he saw me, he broke down like he was 4 years old. he was totally crying and went into tot hysterics and never
thought you'd speak to me again. and i just said to him, i'm here. i love you and i'm going to support you. hey. >> hey. >> how are you today? >> how are you doing? >> i'm fine. >> so you don't know what just happened? i just got 40 days in segregation. >> what happened? >> i had a ball made out of paint -- >> a ball made out of paint? >> paint from the wall that i use to bounce against the wall when i was bored. they found it and charged me with having a weapon. >> i thought you were going to follow the rules. >> mom, it's a ball of paint. >> i don't mean to lecture you but you know you can't deviate for a minute. >> i'm like the most respectful person in this place.
>> i know. >> i mean,itis just unbelievable. it's like if you run around and scream like a [ bleep ] monkey all day long, you get what you want in here and everyone is nice to you but if you're respectful, people just don't understand. like you're speaking greek to them or something and they don't understand. >> tilghman, you're just getting really wound up. you're getting really -- >> i'm extremely angry right now. >> i know you are. >> do you know how horrible it is to be in 1a for 40 days? >> i know. that's why i think you do everything in your power to not get in there. >> i didn't do anything wrong, period. >> they think you did. you have to figure out how they're thinking so this doesn't happen to you, keep happening to you. >> i got in a fight and stabbed somebody, i would have got the same punishment i'm getting now. 40 days. it's ridiculous, everyone. >> i know, it's not everyone. it's you. >> i don't care if it hurts me. i just want to say [ bleep ] you to everyone.
if that hurts me, so be it. locked in a [ bleep ] cage for 14 months straight, you're like a dog or a pit bull they poke or jab with a [ bleep ] stick. i'm pissed off. >> i understand that. i understand that. >> i'm pissed off. >> no kidding. i mean, i know. >> [ bleep ] these people. they don't give a [ bleep ]. i'm not giving into them. i don't care how much it hurts me. i'm not giving into them. >> okay. >> i'm not. >> all right. >> following their stupid rules, makes no sense. me giving into them. i'm not giving into them. i'm sorry. >> okay, i'm hanging up. i love you. >> you're hanging up? >> yeah, because i can't listen to this anymore. >> i love you too. >> i mean, you have something else you can talk about? i just don't think you can. you're in a rage and i don't know how to deal with it. >> i'd like to talk about you and how you're doing otherwise besides all of this.
how are you doing with the cancer. i do care. i hope you believe i care about you. >> i do. i believe that. i do believe that. i told you this before. you know, i'm not going to be around forever. i'm not asking to do anything for me. i'm asking to do it for you. anything for me. i'm asking to do it for you. >> i'm sorry that i'm having to bring this to you. you're dealing with enough as it is and it is another thing you have to deal with. i apologize to you. >> well, this is our loss. >> yeah, you and me together. >> this is our lives together. yes, exactly. >> it's the situation. i'm sorry i upset you. >> well, it's all right. i'll live. and i'm sorry you're upset. i love you a lot and just try to be strong. >> all right. i love you, too. >> okay, bye. >> bye.
>> i feel bad for him. the truth is, i really love him and i don't want him to see me being unhappy but i've been watching him be unhappy for many years. i knew that something was not going to end well with tilghman. but i never suspected this. he was always really impulsive, never thought about tomorrow or any consequences. coming up -- >> convict. degenerate. felon. these are the titles by which we are described. >> leonard heyward delivers his address. ♪
>> honored guests, my name is leonard heyward and i welcome you to the graduation ceremony of the turning leaf project. today, you will witness a variety of speeches, testimonials, skits, and poems. and it's our hope that we effectively convey our positive changes and ambitions to you. >> my thoughts control my actions and if i think better, i'll act better, and now that i know better, i'll do better. as a husband, as a member of the community, and most importantly, a father to my children. >> i'm 25 years old. i've been to jail 19 times. had no family, so got to think about somebody else. nobody to care for me, why do i got to care about anybody else? that's how i felt. amy changed my thinking. be the person you want to be. >> i was abusing drugs for years. i once trusted and respected man in the community.
i turned into a liar, a cheat, a thief. like the great man said, henry ford, don't find fault. find a remedy. that's what this class has done for me. it's a remedy. amy's been amazing. she believes in us. she never once had a doubt in us. even when others have given up on us, even i have given up on myself, she still believes in us. [ applause ] >> i'm so, so proud of you guys. you all know that. ridiculously proud of you guys. you've been my best group ever. i've never had 17 people graduate. so that's really a testimony to the effort that these guys put in to finish. let me go ahead and hand out the certificates. we have sinclair drayton. sinclair. sean earles. barry roush. awesome speech today, really, awesome speech.
leonard heyward. all right, leo. and i'll let leo finish out the day. >> let's hold up these diplomas right about here. while i say these eight words -- loser, low life, criminal, convict, degenerate, reprobate, failure, felon. these are the titles by which we are described. and somehow in the back of our minds, we've let those words burn in the brain and then actions tend to follow suit. but that's not why we're standing here today. we're living and breathing examples of what this class can positively manifest. you, i, we are part of the community, and the only way
we're going to truly solve the problems that we all face, we're going to have to set aside these negative titles and not be forever caged by our mistakes of the past. so we, the graduates of the turning leaf project, humbly thank you for the time that you spent with us here this afternoon and we also thank you for providing us with an opportunity for self-improvement. bless you, thank you. [ applause ] >> these guys get the opportunity to talk about what they learned and it's such a valuable thing for them because they get the certificate, they get the recognition and a lot of these guys have never had that kind of opportunity. so it's awesome. >> that's my buddy. love you, man.
>> love you too, man. >> few people come to prison and stay for life. sooner or later, be back out on the streets. this is a try to make a change. the return rate right now of the class, probably 100-plus people and only had three or four back already. >> you did a great job. >> so proud of you. >> this was more important to me than being the other side of the wall. if you're not ready, you're not ready. i wanted to be ready first. looking forward to reuniting with my family, that's the next step. >> and just a few hours later, as planned, leonard heyward bonded out of jail and headed home. >> how does it feel? >> a lot better than outside rec. i'll say that. a lot better, a lot better
due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. me, too. we do talk sexually through the vents and stuff. vent sex, yes. vent sex. all right. >> a young woman finds love in the jail's one co-ed housing unit. >> robbery just been something that always came natural. >> charged with a spree of armed robberies, an inmate comes under