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hans is an expert by virtue of how much you have had to cover it. the north koreans say it's an icbm. what do your sources say? >> reporter: pentagon officials are assessing whether or not it's going to meet that designation. what they know is that given the distance and the time that it traveled, 37 minutes, basically shot at an angle up in the air, on the ground it only covered some 570 miles, but it gives you a theoretical range of more than 4,000 miles. that puts alaska into range. whether or not it gets the official designation of an icbm, right now alaska/u.s. territory could potentially be in range. when you talk about the continental united states, you remember in may there was that ground base intercepter test, hitting a bullet with a bullet, officials at the time said this basically kept the west coast of the states safe until 2020, but
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what they're doing right now is doing all kinds assessments on the missile, just what happened. when you look at that initial picture, take a close look to see if you can see any fins on the nose. that may 14 that was very concerning, there weren't any fins on the nose of that missile. whenever they bring it don't, they don't have accuracy. that's the other thing that concerns officials at the pentagon, whether or not they know how to bring it down and then the crucial question that we simply do not have an answer on, has north korea miniaturized a nuclear warhead to put on the tip. >> is this the type of missile that can reach the united states or points further out and number two can they miniaturize a nuclear warhead and put it on the top of that. hans, i suspect we will be talking more through the course
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of the day. garrett is at the white house right now. we have had some response from the white house obviously in the way of those two tweets from donald trump, but have we got more from a policy and strategic perspective. >> reporter: the short answer is no. this may be the moment where the white house says the tweets speak for themselves. those tweets, in this case very much statements from the president of the united states. they make up the sum total of the white house's response to this missile launch so far. we do know that just within the last few days the president has spoken to the prime minister of japan, the president of china and late last week had the president of south korea here at the white house. this has been issue number one for the president when it comes to really all of asia. remember, the president was already upset with north korea over the otto episode from a few
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weeks ago. this continues to ratchet up the tensions and puts north korea potentially at the top of the g-20 checklist for the president when he gets to germany later this week. >> let me ask you about the other matter that you've been following and that is the meeting between vladimir putin and donald trump. it's going to take place on friday afternoon. what's on the agenda and what isn't and really the question i'm trying to get to is the discussion of russia interfering in the u.s. election going to be on the agenda? >> reporter: that's a good question and the white house has not said for sure one way or the other whether that will be something the president brings up. the official line was there hadn't been an agenda set for this meeting, but it's been fascinating to watch the diplomatic dance around this meeting. at first we thought it would be like a handshake in a hallway on the outskirts of this meeting. now today the white house says this will be a full meeting. a full sort of heads of state meeting with all the trappings
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there thereof. we know over the weekend a top state department official met with the russian ambassador to lay the ground work here. the president has said they want to find areas they can work with vladimir putin and the russian people on areas of common interest. that may include things like terorrism. i suspect we're going to try to see the president striking an o optimistic tone to find ways to work with the russian leader despite what will be their first in-person meeting. >> all right. we'll get a keep eye on developments as it relates to that agenda. obviously a lot to get through later this week. president trump's statements on china and north korea have been all over the place. a few weeks ago he seemed to say that china tried and failed to help with north korea. he wrote while i appreciate
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china to help with north korea, it has not worked out. at least i know china tried. last night of course it was a different tune. now he's expecting china to put a heavy move on north korea, a phrase i haven't heard since high school, to end this nonsense once and for all. of course, he wasn't always so dependant on china. he wrote if china decides to help, that would be great, if not we'll solve the problem without them. welcome to you both and thank you for being with us on the fourth of july. colonel, let me start with you. militarily, what are the range of options for north korea? >> well, none of them is any good. we're not going to do a preemptive strike. anything that will generate a large scale war on the korean
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peninsula will put 30 million or more people at risk. seoul is just footsteps away from the demilitarized zone. the military option is not attracti attractive. what is required is to get china to be on our side to try to squeeze north korea, but that's not going to happen either. relying on china has in the past, and i think in the future, produced absolutely nothing. china has no interest in squeezing north korea because of the turmoil that will cause. the likelihood of using the military option alone is very very low. it's going to have to be diplomacy plus economic sanctions and to do that it's going to require the agreement of the chinese and others. you know to say that the south koreans are now going to do something or suggest they are as
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the president did in his tweet as not going to happen either. >> the south koreans are not in a position to do something that the united states is not entirely behind, although there's a slightly different view. you think there's a lot more room to put financial pressure on china and on north korea separately. talk to me about this. >> yes, i absolutely think so and i think history has proven that. in september 2005, the u.s. department of the treasury sanctioned a bank for facilitating north korean transactions. only $20 million was frozen of north korean assets which is not a lot, but this was a major sticking point in the six party talks that ensued in 2006. >> the north koreans wanted that lifted to move forward with the talks. >> absolutely. they insisted on it. it was a point that was repeatedly brought up. it was a point of contention. finally those sanctions were lifted and that money was unfrozen as part of a grander
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deal. on one hand we see that north korea is susceptible to sanctions and on the other hand china can corporate when it comes to sanctions. when the obama administrations was imposing sanctions against a chinese bank in 2012 and a lot of people thought that the chinese would be difficult about it and they actually ended up co- cooperating. >> okay. so that's one thing. the chinese do have -- a lot of their other economic activities have indicated that they are more interested in being a player, the stuff that they're doing in africa and the bank they're creating, but i guess militarily the chinese do not want greater south korean or american-backed south korean influence on that peninsula. there are about 28,000 u.s. troops there already. the chinese don't want a war,
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but they don't want ka partnership lash from north korea either. >> you're right. i think we can -- the chinese would love to see the problem go away, but it's not going to go away and one of the reasons we're in the situation we are now is because both we and the chinese have ignored this problem for decades. now, as time goes on, it becomes more and more untractable. i think one of the things we ought to be looking at to take a tip is to spend a little bit more time working on sanctions on chinese banks, chinese entities, and indeed the entities and banks of other enablers, including india, pakist pakistan, the philippines, who are making it easy for north korea to carry on despite the sanctions. >> we know -- we don't have a ton of intelligence about what goes on inside north korea, but we know that most of north korea's foreign reserves, most of north korea's trade, they
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depend on china for most of what they do. do we know the chinese connections on that side? can we identify those banks and impose sanctions on chinese banks properly? >> absolutely. the u.s. department of the treasury, our intel communities absolutely can identify those. the vast majority of north korean money comes from trade with china. >> why didn't this happen in the obama administration? >> i think for years under the obama administration and previous administrations it just didn't rise to a level of priority that iran did, that other issues did. so i think that there was a feeling that if it could be this -- i know that i hear the term a lot strategic patience and that's not what they wanted to convey, but i think they felt if the problem could be contained, then they could focus on other issues. >> i want to play some soundbites from earlier this year about how this
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administration has referred to how we have dealt with north korea. let's listen to this. >> strategic patience has been the approach of the last american administration and beyond. the era of strategic patience is over. >> it's a big problem. it's a world problem. it will be solved at some point. it will be solved. you can bet on that. >> he will not accept a nuclear power in north korea and a threat that can target the united states. >> so colonel jack, i understand if this is an intercontinental ballistic missile, what's wrong with the strategic patience idea if no one is making a war? >> it's got us to where we are today. 60 years ago we didn't have this problem and now we do and the problem is only going to get worse. the real issue is whether or not we can act unilaterally to stop
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the development of nuclear weapons and long range capability. that's not going to happen either. i think in the interim the following is going to occur. we're going to be working behind the scenes to generate the multi lateral capability to squeeze north korea and that includes china. in the meantime along those lines we're going to further develop our capability to detect launches, to defeat launches and use cyber means to make it extremely difficult or less easy for the north koreans to continue. >> all right. great discussion. i really appreciate it. this is an important issue and we have to get smarter about it one by one. thanks very much for joining us to discuss it. because once wasn't enough, the senate republicans asked the budget office to score a second ve version of their health care bill. we'll have that discussion next.
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we have an update on the man who inspires the famous als ice bucket challenge to raise awareness and send money for als. he's back in the hospital and in response to rumors that he passed away, he decided to have some fun with it posting a video of himself laying in a hospital bed listening to the pearl jam hit "alive". it's pretty fun. he is resting comfortable as the doctors, medicine, prayers and love continue to help him get stronger. the ice bucket challenge raised more than $220 million for als research and treatment. senators are home for the holiday and while they may want to focus on the fireworks, the health care issue isn't going away. all eyes are on their return next week. the cbo is scoring two different versions of the senate bill, one with a proposal by senator ted
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cruz and mike lee. it why allow insurers to sell health plans that don't cover essential benefits as long as they sell plans. mike mcconnell is working to get the magic 50 or they will have to turn to the democrats for help. joining me is howard dean. good to see you. >> thanks. happy fourth. >> thank you. here is the thing. i've been seeing republicans saying one of two things about this health care bill. one is that they may need to reach out to democrats to come up with some compromise bill because not enough republicans are going to support it as it stands, or if you don't get this done the democrats are going to shove single-payer insurance done everybody's throat. we have heard from bernie
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sanders and elizabeth warren that democrats should start thinking about single-payer insurance. what do you think? >> i think that anybody who has followed health care for the last 15 years, of course they better have been thinking about single payer. we have it in this country for everybody over 65 and it's a popular program. we didn't have a public option. let people choose. i'm not in favor of forcing anybody to do anything. what i am in favor of is having a decent insurance care program and obamacare is 100 times better than what the republicans who want to get 23 million people off their health insurance are trying to do. let's try out a single payer. let's let people under 65 to sign up for medicare. nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. if it works that's great and the american people will make that decision on their own. >> some of the issue becomes the conversation that democrats have
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about obamacare, which you said is 100 times better than anything else, except that the individual markets did not end up working out the way obamacare proup supporters had wanted them. many people have seen their insurance premiums shoot up at rates they were not expecting. >> one of the reasons those premiums have gone up so high is because trump is so unpredictable and he's threatening to withhold subsidies. this is a money lossiing proposition for them. allow people to sign up for medicare in those counties where there's one insurer or no insurer. let them decide. let's try to get a health insurance system that covers everybody. >> in fact, for a certain piece of the population, again it's a small percentage of 11 million people on the exchanges, so all
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the talk about obamacare imploding a implodi imploding, but before trump got involved health care premiums had become unaffordable, would you agree with that? >> that's true. as bill clinton said about welfare, let's mend it, not end it. let's not take health care away from old people. let's not take health care away from 23 million people, many of whom voted for donald trump. let's try something different. let's do what the senate missed doing by one vote the last time and put in a public option and let people choose. if that evolves to a single payer, that will only be because the american people choose that and i don't think politicians should stand in the way of what the american people might want. >> one political question, single payer is -- you come from vermont so you knew a lot of corey lewandowski
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canadians with it, but it's not the only way to achieve universal health care. it doesn't have to be single payer. are democrats going down the wrong road by offering that up as the only option? >> i think it's a mistake to talk about single payer. that's a technical term. there are lots of different kinds of single payers. the canadian health care system is a kind of single payer, but we already have an american single payer. it's for everybody under 65. i think we ought to stick with the american version of it and not try something that we don't need to try. medicare works pretty well. >> while you're on the topic of canada, i get these endless tweets of people telling me about the canadians who flood over the boarder for health care. last year for which we have numbers, 000.005 sought health care in the united states. >> that's a big story put out by the right wing.
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there are some canadians who come over the boarder, as there are some in every system in the world because they have lots of money they do something different. your numbers are terrific and i appreciate you adding that to a debate that's been historical in the senate. >> good to see you. thanks for being with us. >> thanks very much. republicans struggling with health care comes as there's struggle for the identity of the conservative movement. joining me now is the columnist for "the new york times." good to see you. thank you for being here. let's talk more broadly about a movement of conservatives, the ideas that represent conservativism in american politics. you argue that has deteriorated for a lot of reasons. >> yeah, i think the party of ronald reagan was a party of
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aspiration, inclusion and opportunity. that's what attracted me to make me a conservative back in the 1980s. the party of donald trump follows a different view which is exclusion and fear and bigotry. within any great political movement it's better angels and worse angels, if you will. the united states needs a healthy conservative movement. there's always going to be that impulse, but whether you educate it to understand that america should be a land of opportunity for everyone and we're a country based on an idea rather than a place or whether you tell people that we're based on a place, a nationality and an ethnicity, those are two paths that the conservative movement could have taken. for me the great shock over the last two years is the fact that the republican party has taken that in my view much lower road.
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i think that's dangerous not just for the country, but it's dangerous for the liberals. >> i would agree with that and they also need conservative voices on this air to have this conversation. let me ask you this, when people wake up in this country, they don't typically think that they're democrats or republicans. who is the protector of this conservative movement that has gone away? so many people who would have thought themselves conservative like lower taxes and smaller government, but they don't typically take to the streets to defend that. >> there's a wonderful line that warren buffet is fond of. in life comes the inno va ters and then the imitators and then the idiots. if you go back 40 or 50 years, you had at the heart of the conservative movement some really intellectual voices that are thinking deeply about fundamental problems with the
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welfare state and america's engagement with the world and coming up with a set of coherent answers. this was william f. buckley, bob bartley. this has shall we say shifted and been degraded as i think the conservative movement, instead of being a thought leader for the republican party, has become an appendage of the republican machine and that transformation i think has been fundamental. a guy like george will, who used to be the godfather of conservative pundits, i don't think he considers himself a republican anymore because he was so disgusted what happened to the party. >> you write for "the new york times," there's heritage and all of these thing tanks, but if you're the angry voter who is sustaining donald trump at the moment it seems, your almost as
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much of the enemy as mainstream media. you're not living their life. >> this is part of the problem, which is that the conservative movement used to admire elighte and now they seem to demonize them. it used to be a good thing to care about culture. all of that would seem sort of alien to the conservative movement today. there's a problem in education, which is this relentless attitude on the part of certain voices of the conservative movement that everything that is elite is disdainful. someone ought to make the case to normal americans free trade is good for you. your communities are enriched by immigrants and made safer by immigrants. there's evidence making that point. but you're not hearing them and a lot of them have simply been
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muted because they're afraid that you don't get on certain tv shows if you take a pro-immigration line. >> thanks for talking to us. coming up next, denied. more than 40 states deny the trump administration's demand for the voter poll data beyond what has been available to the public. >> you don't have to see or be from the kentucky to know this smells funny and there's something suspicious going on and we want to move our elections forward, not backwards and i'm not about to put 3.3 milli 3.3 million kentuckians' information at risk. americans - 83% try to eat healthy.
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i'm only aware of three states that have said they won't give us what's publicly available. any person can walk in off the street and request these voter rolls, the name and date of birth is available in most states and the address of where the voter lives. that's what we're asking for. the vast majority of states said they would provide this information. >> that's from the vice chair of the advisory commission on election integrity. he was talking to me on friday. by our count there are now more than 40 states and the district of columbia that are against giving voter information over to the commission. this is the voter fraud commission that was set up to prove that donald trump's claims of illegal voting is correct. these states say they cannot
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comply because of state law. the secretary of state for kansas won't be providing all the data that he sent a letter asking every other state to provide. he's not going to provide the social security numbers of kansas voters. the letter asks for the last four digits of social security numbers of voters. new mexico, joining me now is the secretary of state for new mexico. thank you for being with us. by the way, i tweeted we were going to have you on and we were going to ask by minnesota will not provide the information that's been requested because mn and mn look similar. you can tell me why minnesota is not providing the information, but why is not new mexico not providing the information that the government is asking for. >> thanks for having me on. it's an understandable mistake. new mexico is not for a couple of important reasons. the type of information that was requested, especially those social security numbers and
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birth dates that protect information is protected by new mexico law. there's no way that i can provide that information and there's no way that i would. it's really important in my role as secretary of state and the chief election official of the state to protect the private information of the voters. as far as additional information is concerned, i'm very skeptical about the purpose of this commission. it appears to me to be a trojan horse to advance voter suppression efforts and i don't want new mexico to be a part of that. >> talk to me about why these efforts -- reasonable people have asked me why is the requisition of information or why is the requisition of id to vote associated with voter suppression? >> the reality is that first and foremost this request for data is not some normal every day request. it's a request from a federal commission and it's for the purpose of compiling a national voter registration database
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which is something that we don't have for a good reason. article ten of the constitution charges the states for adm administer voting. as far as voter id goes, that's a separate issue, but when you've seen voter id laws that have been implemented throughout the country, first of all people of color, young people, elderly people, veterans, tend to be less likely to be able to get the kind of id they need to vote and less likely to come to the polls. so it ends up being a voter suppression initiative. >> we're trying to prove a negative here. donald trump came out and said more people voted illegally than the margin of popular votes that he didn't get.
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is there any way in your mind that this commission can be used for something positive? do you think that we have a big voter fraud problem in america? >> you know, for that purpose, no. i don't think especially this compiling this list of voter registration information is going to get us anywhere close to uncovering a widespread conspiracy to commit voter fraud. i was a county official here in new mexico before i became secretary of state. i know what voter fraud looks like. it's minor and rare and it happens very infrequently. to say there's some widespread conspiracy to commit voter fraud, not only can we not prove that in terms of what we've seen happening at the individual level of voting in this country, but this voter registration database is going to create more questions than answers. i don't think that's the direction this commission should
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be going. if this commission wants to be serious about addressing important election relate issues, it should be addressing the issue of russia and the question of its interference in the 2016 general election, whether it actually successfully hacked any of our data bases and what it can do to protect that moving forward. >> we'll see if the president brings that up on friday. thank you very much. coming up, time is running out. cutter is staring down a deadline hours away to meet a list of demands from other states, mainly saudi arabia. it must meet these demands to lift the boycott of the tiny country. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,... isn't it time to let the real you shine through? maybe it's time for otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin
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let's go to the middle east where cutter has just a few hours left to respond to demands from several neighboring
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countries. several countries cut off ties with the country last month because of ties to terrorist groups. they extended the deadline to early wednesday morning their time. the demands include shutting down the news network and limiting diplomatic ties with iran and cutting terrorist ties and paying reparations. joining us is a columnist and contributing writer. how do you and others view this demand to shut them down, in particular why is it relevant that they're part of this discussion? >> it's very relevant. some argue it's one of the main reasons this whole block aade i going on. they've put out statements.
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clearly governments like saudi arabia don't like the fact that you have a news network in the middle east that has been holding them to account. there are not many news organizations in the middle east that hold governments to account. they've been doing that for several decades and they are tired of that and make this absurd demand to shut it down, which the u.n. human rights chief has called an unacceptable attack. >> when you compare them to media organizations state run ones in the middle east, what you see that you don't see elsewhere are opposition members and israelis for that manner. >> yes, u.s. diplomatics have argued that the platform may not have happened. the saudis are counter
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revolutionary powers. they don't like the idea of governments falling and becoming democracies. egypt came to power to get rid of the democratic government in a military coup. it's not surprising they want to target them. >> the problem is that the democratic government in egypt happened to be the muslim brotherhood which nobody in the west likes either. >> it's another one of the demands to cut ties. a lot of these demands are what the saudis call nonnegotiable. it's a simple issue of what are you going to do about it and what are you going to do about your own relations with extreme organizations or terrorist organizations. my understanding is that they're going to come back -- the deadline is approaching fast. they're going to come back with a form of are you going to cut your economic ties with iran.
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so why are they requesting them to qatar get rid of turkish troops. it's a weird one sided extreme set of demands which allows no way for qatar to exit and save face and therefore the qataris are saying why would we listen to you. one diplomatic said we have no plans to become a colony or province of saudi arabia. >> the problem is qatar is only connected to land by saudi arabia. it's having problems getting food and things like that. how much of this is donald trump and this administration miscalculating the nuances of things in the middle east? >> i think it's massive miscalculation both on the part of president trump and on the part of the new saudi prince. if their aim was to try to isolate iran and build a coalition against iran, all they've done is push qatar and
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turkey towards iran. i think the trump administration is all over the place. you have the president himself repeatedly attacking qatar apparently unaware there are 10,000 u.s. troops based in qatar. you have a secretary of state rex tillerson saying, hold on, they're allies. why are we throwing them under the bus. >> good to talk to you. thank you for joining us. a columnist and contributing editor at host. now to another conflict, the ongoing civil war in syria. the old city of raqqah, these forces are trying to dislodge isis fighters from the heart of the city.
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joining us for more on what is happening in syria, is the executive editor of "news deeply" which has been focussing on the conflict in syria. thank you for being with us. let's talk about the experience on the fourth of july, on our independence day where we make a big deal about the remarkable freedoms that america has. you have been covering a story where day after day for six years syrians have lost and more freedom. >> absolutely. in every corner of the country you have a different version of chaos. in isis controlled areas people are basically living in hell. they have no freedoms. women are restricted in movements. beheadings, violence. we've seen it since isis took control of raqqah three years ago. what's concerning about that moment is that this u.s.-backed effort to take back raqqah, to push isis out of this
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self-declared capital, we could perhaps win the battle for raqqah and still lose the battle against isis. >> why is that? >> they've largely pulled back their leadership and capabilities to a dusty desert area along the syrian/iraqi boarder. analysts describing how they've vacated raqqah. >> and left fighters there. >> 400,000 civilians in raqqah, isis of among them and all of them certainly paying a heavy toll. >> in the end, isis as a force on the ground will not ultimately withstand both the iraqi troops and the syrian troops. >> it denpends on who you liste to. analysts are concerned that isis is going to stick around for a while, that they could, especially as they've pulled back to that desert area along the boarder, it's going to be
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very hard to dislodge them and that they will always remain a force capable of wreaking havoc. >> when you hear about the things that isis does, they'll get you for smoking a cigarette, listening to music, all sorts of things, one would assume the syrians would say they'll take the assad government. >> it seems shocking to us but there are people in syria who don't like bashar assad who feel his rule is the worst thing they've ever experienced. a lot is made about the sunni debate, but you have conservative sunis in that area of syria. the country has been flooded with foreign fighters and more extremist individuals who are kind of comfortable with isis
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ideology. they have tons of civilians who want to see isis go. it's a mixed bag and it's complicated and you have hundreds of different fighting groups on the ground. it's really a mess. >> all right. it's important that we remember it from time to time and think about what we can do about it. you remember that every day and we appreciate that. we have breaking news out of the pentagon as we had thought earlier, u.s. officials now confirming that the united states now believes that north korea did indeed test a two-stage intercontinental ballistic missile. that's an icbm as north korea claimed last night. we're going to get details on this and talk more about it in the upcoming hour, but it is a big deal. this is an icbm according to two u.s. officials to nbc news. we'll stay on this story. coming up next, story, but
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new jersey state beaches are open for business this fourth of july after a last minute budget deal was accept monday night. governor chris christie got criticism. i think i've proven over the last eight years i don't care about political optics. i care about right and wrong.
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i have a choice to make between family and political optics and i'll pick my family. >> so now you're in liberty state park. what's going on? >> reporter: good afternoon. the good news as you said the parks and beaches are open today but many here still angry about those photographs of the governor lounging with his family while everyone else was being turned away. we saw people yesterday by the hundreds being turned away from various beaches and parks, but he remains defiant. they are still angry. they say he was being selfish and just thinks about himself and was really thumbing his nose at his constituents. he's standing firm as you mentioned. take a listen. >> we don't get a lot of time to spend as a family any more and have them and many of his close friends and my daughter's close friends to be with us. i wasn't going to cancel that
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because we couldn't get 41 votes for a budget. >> reporter: as you can see he's unrepentant, unapologetic. he says he's doing what's right for the state, he's fighting for opioid abuse and addiction treatment and he'll do whatever he can whether it's family or politics. he said he'll always pick family. he's on his way to the beach today. >> he does not give up on a fight. he's got the lowest approval ratings of any governor since quinnipiac started polling. doesn't bother him that much. always good to see you. adam reese at liberty state park. still to come much more on north korea and their test of a two stage intercontinental ballistic missile, an icbm last night. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara®
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. the u.s. government now
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believes that north korea's launch was, indeed as claimed an intercontinental ballistic missile. the test would be a first for north korea. previously the u.s. government would not confirm that it was an icbm, rather they said it was an intermediate missile. this news now puts pressure on president trump who vowed to stop north korea before it develops a nuclear weapon that could reach the united states. nbc's pentagon correspondent joins us from our washington with bureau. >> reporter: the distance of the missile that north korea tested last night can reach parts of the united states. when they tease it out they think it gets about 4,000 miles. the definition of a icbm is around 3400 miles. it's liquid fuel. one booster. gets you up in the air and then a little bit more. they don't know if it's successful in terms of the
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re-entry vehicle coming back into the atmosphere. importantly an official just told me this missile they tested is different than the one they tested on may 14th, that may 14th was the first one where they did successful re-entry so it gives you a sense north korea is maybe trotting out some new missiles in their arsenal. that's what officials at the pentagon overnight are working on trying to figure out which missile this is. remember they paraded a lot of missiles out in april in that big parade and at that point there were a couple of unmonies to. one big tube and they didn't know what was in that tube. the u.s. has its own technology on may 31st we tested our own ground-based interceptor that knocked the missile out of the air, a bullet hitting another bullet. that intercept took a little northeast of hawaii. the idea of these intercepts to get them out as far as possible because you don't know what's on
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the tip of that war head. >> the capabilities you're talking about when we talk about an icbm, 3400, up to 4,000 this one went under 600 miles according to the south koreans. why is that >> they throw it straight up in the air. just because it lands at your feet doesn't mean you don't have a good arm. what they are doing they got to 17,000 feet up there in the sky. at 37 minutes. now, that may 14th test was 30 minutes and that difference of seven minutes gives you a range of about another 1,200 miles, maybe 1300 miles. remember with that may 14th test that put guam in the range. that was a concern. with all this what we don't know is how good tame is. right? think of a missile that doesn't have fins on its nose. you can shoot it. do your th

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