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and germany. he has planned a special meeting with russian president vladmir putin, in person, first time. i wonder if they'll get along. that does it for us tonight. happy fourth of july. it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. the entire thing has been a witch hunt. >> this is a search for facts. >> the fbi is investigating whether there was any coordination between the campaign and russia's efforts. >> that's a ruse. >> these are not hoaxes invented by democrats. >> it should be over with. >> has the dismissal of mr. comey impeded any investigation? >> you cannot stop the men and women of the fbi from doing the right thing, protecting the american people and unholding the constitution? >> what trump will find out eventually is the rules do apply to him. >> the president of the united
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states is under criminal investigation for his conduct in office? >> who brought this on? it was the president who brought it on himself. >> regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey. >> he can't control himself because there's a disorder afoot here. >> there comes a point ot which this comes to be ludicrous without being funny. >> we deserve honesty. >> i think it's time for us to take a deep breathe, be calm and steady about it. no president is stronger than the whole country. >> on july 4th, 1777 the declaration of independence said we will be a country. we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creditator. 241 years later we do not hold that any truths are self-evident, least of all that
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all men are created equal or that women are the equal of men. we have a president who does not hold that the truth of barack obama's birth certificate is self-evident. we have one political party that holds that the long term human influence on climate change isn't self-evident and not party and president who do not. some people hold that abortion is murder, but most do not. some hold that black lives matter, some do not. because of centuries of president and out ward control, we hold no truths to be self-evident now. the president calls perfectly truthful news reports fake news and millions of his supporters agree with that lie. if anyone in the american
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government today produced a document containing the sentence we hold these truth to be self-evident. almost everyone in the posing party would attack that party. how is the government whose first declaration was we hold these truths to be self-evident, holding up after 241 years in a political world of no self-evident truth? 13 years after the declaration of independence the founding fathers who could not see beyond their own sexism to allow us to have any founding mothers created what may be the most important document in the history of government worldwide. it is certainly the most important document in the history of the american government. the constitution of the united states has been the fundamental law of this land for 228 years because it was written with a kind of astonishing vision that's allowed everyone not granted rights by the constitution to use that same
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constitution to obtain those rights through the amendment process established by that constitution. people very deliberately left out of the original document now have constitutional rights. women now have the right to vote. an african-american in the south is no longer three fifths of a person. thanks to the constitution in the united states of america today men can marry men and women can marry women. something that was inconceivable to the founding fathers who wrote the document that unbeknownst to them granted that right. the american news media has made the president the most important person in american government. the founding fathers didn't see it that way. the president was to be a functi functionary to them, an executive charged with executing the desires and orders of congress. the president is the sixth job mentioned in the constitution. the first job described is a
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member of the house of representatives. the second job specified in the constitution is speaker of the house of representatives. the third is united states senator. the fourth job mentioned is the vice president. the vice president's first mention is only in his role as president of the senate with the right to cast a vote this the vent of ties in the senate. the fifth job mentioned is the temporary president of the senate when the vice president is absent from the senate and the sixth job, the sixth job mentioned in the constitution is the president. that very first mention of the president in the constitution is about impeachment of the president. something the founding fathers expected to happen. the founding fathers expected the voters at some point to be tricked into electing presidents who would have to be removed from office. presidents who would commit crime, abuse power, violate
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their oaths of office. the founders knew that would happen and they make that very clear, that expectation is very clear in the constitution's very first reference to the president. when the president of the united states is tried, the chief justice shall preside. when, not if, when. founders were careful about each word. when they came to that sentence they could have written if the president of the united states was tried the chief justice shall preside. no because they believed it was inevitable, they wrote when the president of the united states is tried. the constitution grants the congress with the founders believed were most of the government's most important powers and yes the president could nominate a supreme court justice but only the united states senate could confirm that justice. over time with the congress the
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modern president and the agent of intercontinental missiles has rur usurped some of congress's power. we now have a president who knows nothing of the constitution and knows nothing of our history and by all appearances arrived in the job surprised that congress had any power over him at all or the courts had any power over him. 241 years after the declaration of independence, 228 years after the constitution, how are the founding documents holding up against what might be the only president who has never read them? joining us now joy reid and joan walsh. joy, how's the constitution doing? how's it doing? >> i love that set up. my geeky little heart is happy to hear you go through that.
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i am found of reminding people that first branch of government is the congress. if you want a better president, you need to get a better congress. it's a lesson that america has failed to learn. as you laid out what the president does, sign bills that's he's sent by congress. the other thing the president has done going back to the very beginning is sort of set the american ideal, explain the american ideal, sort of explain america to itself as the only elected official elected by a majority, at least the states, if not of the people. donald trump is the first president in my lifetime, probably in anybody's lifetime who does not understand the american ideal and even if he did, i'm not sure he would explain it because all he does is talk about himself. he were talking about the bill
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paxton character in independence day. donald trump is like on the alien's side. he didn't care about the humans around him. he was on the alien side. >> all the aliens had to do was flatter him. how is the constitution doing? >> the constitution is okay except the founders anticipate that we would mind up with some men and women in congress who would be refuse to take their job seriously and allow this president to walk all over them and to violate the constitution from noon on january 20th. the clause. he's in violation. he's getting foreign payments. we don't know how much because he has never shown us his taxes. a week later he imposes the muslim ban which is a
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constitutional violation of the establishment clause. he pays no attention to voting rights. you have the go along republican leadership and most of the republican party. i don't think they anticipated it. >> on the travel ban we saw the courts swing into action as the constitution designed. when you get to this question of what about congress, why isn't congress standing up to this disasterous presidency so far. if we could have told the founding fathers there's going to be parties. they didn't want political parties. if you let political parties grow they will calcify and defend their stuff and be at war with the other side and here we are. >> parties would be more interested in defending their own constitutional power and defending the country. the congress has been shameful
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if their defense of the own constitution. we seen this before with george w. bush with the rush to war. congress said hands off. this is whatever you want to do. walking back from your authority depends on you having a eisenhower or fdr. fdr intiered japanese americans. let's not pretend trump is first one. rehad andrew jackson who slaughtered native americans. we had woodrow wilson screening racist movies in the white house. we've had bad presidents be p the founders owned slave, some of them. we have a now a complete surrender of the congress to try to defend the institution and the president who long since are
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you aware se-- surrendered to russia. >> congress gave us the special prosecutor. that's not someone who will bend to political will. >> i guess we're lucky we have someone that we feel that strongly about. i do trust him. i still don't think it's off the table that he will fire him or make somebody else fire him. his lack of curiosity about the mechanics of interference with our election. the lack of determination to make sure it doesn't happen again, it's not even interesting. >> there's a break in your house and you don't lock the door after the break. >> and you pad down in your nighties and find your dad is
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telling the robbers where the safe is. >> let me help you with that combination. >> here's where the jewelry is high pressu. donald trump has gone beyond not locking to door. he could deploy them at any time. he's going the opposite. >> thank you both for joining us. coming up, michael moore and george will finally agree on something. they both have big problems with donald trump. award winning interface. award winning design. award winning engine. the volvo xc90. the most awarded luxury suv of the century. visit your volvo dealer today and get up to $4,500 in allowances.
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trump has a dangerous disable. that was the title of george will's column. he's often had the most talked about column of the day. today there was an urgency to his writing. he said it's you are jenurgent americans to think and speak clearly about president trump's inability to do either. this seems to be not a mere disinclination but a disability. the dangerous thing is he does not know what it is to know something. joining us now george f. will. pulitzer prize winner. i'm always honored to have you join us on a day like today. i'm thrilled to have you join us. you wrote the column of the day that everyone is talking about.
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it's one of those columns that many of us have put into different ways and most of us haven't found the way put it into words. you're saying the president is actually not able to think. >> the problem isn't just that his sentences don't parse and his pronouns float around in search of antecedents. it's not just that he's given the verbal fender benders. george w. bush had his share of those. the question is whether or not the way he talks and the judgments he make about matter of fact suggest he's not capable of se kwent shl thought. his lack of knowledge of american history, his recent talk about andrew jackson being angry about a civil war that
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occurred 16 years after he died suggests that, again, he's a basic unfamiliarity not just with our past but our present. remember during the republican candidates debates he said once in defending the conserve tichl of his sister who is a federal judge had signed some of the same bills that justice aledo signed. he would flunk a sixth grade exam because he suggest they sign bills. this is rather alarming. if next week he comes out and says grover cleveland was a stern critic of the new deal. on the one hand we'll be pleased and surprised to know that he knows there was a president grover cleveland but there comes a point this manages to be ludicrous without being funny when you have a president who
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doesn't understand the basic facts of american history. the basic realities of american governance and finds it impossible to put into simple declarative sentences what he's talking about. >> i want to listen to a professional diagnosis here. this is from a former professor at harvard medical school, professor of psychiatry. let's listen to what he said. >> lying in the way that he does it repeated, dangerous lying makes him unfit and is a sign of mental disturbance. i don't think he does know reality. he doesn't have a clear grasp of it because he changes it. he makes up reality to suit his internal needs. >> george, your column avoided any diagnosis that you're not medically qualified to make. were you tempted.
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i feel your column goes right up to the border of psychiatry. >> i stopped there purposely. first i'm not qualified. i remember the gross abuse of psychiatry when my man barry goldwater whom i cast my first presidential vote was running in 1964 and a whole slew of psychiatrists diagnosed him from a distance. i didn't want to engage in that. i'm just going by the evidence that the president continues to put in front of us in torrential amounts. >> your recommendation at the close of your column is for the public to gakwar quarantine thi presidency. how can they do to that? >> the elected representatives have more to fear from the public than they do from mr.
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president trump. the public has to say we find him alarming and we want you to be on our side rather than the normal tendency to defer to presidents on important matter, particularly war and peace. it's one thing for him to wonder around and say my gosh who knew health care was complicated. it's another thing when he's dealing with north korea, the south china sea, the ukraine, crimea and all the rest when the use of force is involved because that requires a, a certain confidence on the part of the public to support a president and because the normal checks and balances do not restrain presidents when it comes to the use of military force. >> based on what you're hearing from elected officials in washington, is that message from the public? many members of the public already feel this what you're talking about in your column and
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trying to represent to their elected officials. is that message getting through? >> i think it is. the important thing is it gets through to the republicans. the democrats have gone into well advertised resistance. the real question is will republicans in congress feel the need to defer? i think not. you notice the other day the president when he broke new ground in presidential behavior by urging a governmental shutdown which is none of his business coming from the executive branch that the senate should change its rules to get rid of the filibuster. there was an instant and bipartisan rejection of that which indicated that republicans as well as democrats are finding a common ground in establishing a distance and an institutional self-interest against mr. trump. >> george f. will has once again written the column of the day that everyone is talking about. thank you very much for joining
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so in the rightfully angry people of ohio and michigan and pennsylvania and wisconsin find out after a few months in office that president trump wasn't going to do a thing for them, it will be too late to do anything about it. i get it. you wanted to send a message. you had righteous anger and
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justifiable anger. well, message sent. good night, america. you've just elected the last president of the united states. >> that was michael moore last year in his election documentary trump land. later this month he's bringing his unique blend of politics to broadway bp the show is called the terms of my surrender. michael is hoping to find the answer to the question, can a broadway show bring down a sitting president. michael moore told us all about it the day he announced the project. >> it's your broadway debut. >> it is. >> that's a big deal. you're going to go to broadway to surrender to president trump. what are the issues that you're
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surrendering on? >> i think the term offense my surrender are slightly different. the show is a piece of satire that i've written. i've always wanted to do something live on the stage. i thought, i've been in a bit of creative tear since fall last summer when i sue the train wreck that was coming. i've been doing a lot of writing and approaching this from various fronts. first is going to be -- i wanted to do something here in this city. the global headquarters of corporate america, wall street, the epicenter of the media and the home of great bastion of the theater. >> will your script that adjust to things of the course of sean
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spicer's day? >> yes. >> it is scripted but if we need to bring in chocolate cake on any given night, we'll be able to do that. >> part of the propaganda machine that we like to laugh about here but actually it's not very funny because they think they're getting away with it with tens of millions of people if they just say something enough, often enough and just repeat the lie, enough people will believe it. >> that is working for most of the people who have already voted for donald trump and for no one else. >> right. because trump ran an election that ended up being benefitted. he benefitted from the fact he was appointed by the electoral college. it doesn't matter what the majority of americans think right now. what is the good news is we are the majority. myself and my fellow american who is didn't vote for him and we have raised a ruckus on so many issues in these first few
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months that i think we've kept him very busy. people are attacking this on all fronts. i came on your show after the election. i said we need citizen mass action. we have seen that. we need our lawyers to go to court and get injunctions. we've had that. we need to run people who can win next year. we need to take back the house of representatives and if we keep our democratic senator, it means we only need to remove three republican senators. we need to do that. the final thing i have pushed is that we need an army of satire. we need everybody to use their sense of humor and comedy to bring his down. his thin is so skskin is so thi. he gets so upset. all melissa mccarthy has to do is keep appearing and alec baldwin on snl.
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i and others we form this larger group of discombobulating him with humor, ridicule, satire. we want him up at 3:00 in the morning tweeting. the more he's doing that, that's the less he's doing to hurt. >> he does appear to pay more attention to you and alec baldwin and melissa mccarthy and everybody at "snl" than he does to the constituents of republican congressman billy long who have impressed you can't vote for this. you're right about the number of fronts that need to be manned here. >> the thing is, like you said just said and, i just announced the strategy. >> it will still work. >> say he's watching right now. i think over at fox during this hour there's a test pattern. he's flipped over here and heard the strategy. that still -- he can't control himself because there's a
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disorder afoot here. we want to keep him busy with that disorder. not busy in the way where he's launching tamahawk missiles but where he's chasing his tail. it's our version of wagging the doll. >> when you go to broadway, you will be, it seems to me preaching to the converted, to a great extent as opposed to your documentary are you took the cameras and webt to the heart of trump land which was a completely different world to talk to but talk about the advances of each one of those audiences. >> who says i'm not making a documentary? >> oh. >> i'm on a creative tear. why broadway because people on my side of the political fence need to start reaching the people who go to see "cats" and "the lion king." i'm planting my flag in a place
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where middle america shows up. that's why i'm doing it in the summer. we need to sponsor nascar things. we need climate change on the hoods of cars racing around the tracks. i'm being funny but i'm not because i really do believe that we need to reach people where they're at. eight million obama voters voted for trump. i probably can't convince the vast majority way on the right but i think we can hold our hands out to the eight million obama voters that voted for trump. it was just 10,000 votes in michigan. we can do this. going on broadway is one way i'm going to attempt to reach out to middle americans. pricing of the seats i got the
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producers, you can come there for 25 bucks. >> discount for trump voters. >> if trump voters want to come, i will probably buy their ticket. >> great. june 20th, july 20th. >> july 28th. only 12 weeks. next time i come back on we'll go back to our show tunes that we used to do. >> you were singing during the commercial. michael moore, thank you very much. up next, wisconsin iron worker who has announced he will run against paul ryan next year. his campaign launch video is being reviewed as one of the most effective political campaign announcement videos in years. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me,
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paul ryan come up and say a few words. congratulations on a job well done. >> this is repealing and replacing obamacare. everybody doesn't get what they want. >> my mom is probably the most important person in my life. she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. there's no doubt in my mind there's thousands of people like her that don't have what she have. i can see what people need. i can do so much more, and i will do so much more taking my voice, taking our voice and what
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we need to washington, d.c. i think it's time, let's trade places. paul ryan you can come work the iron and i'll go to d.c. >> randy bryce is trying to do the impossible. well the almost impossible. it's happened exactly twice in our history. a spee a speaker of the house has been defeated in his home district is twice. the first time was in 1862. the second time was in 1994 when democratic speaker of the house tom foley saw his 30-year career come to a shocking end on election night when he lost his re-election campaign in a close, close finish. no one in american politics saw that coming. paul ryan won his last campaign in his wisconsin district last november by 35 points.
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tom foley has much bigger wins than that during his congressional career. he once won re-election by 62 points. during the reagan years he won by 50 points and 52 points. by 1990 he was down around to the paul ryan winning margin of 38 points. that's how much he won by in 1990. two years later his winning margin dropped to ten points and two years after that, he lost in a very close election. so, can a speaker of the house who wins re-election in his district by 35 points be defeated? the answer is sure he can but it might take more than one campaign to beat limb. randy bryce, the candidate who is trying to make history joins us next. or plan for tomorrow? at kpmg, we believe success requires both.
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you saw him win with a 35-winning margin and you thought i'd run against him. >> why not? thank you for having me tonight. if you want to see something that's impossible, i have hard hat you can borrow. what we do is considered impossible. i think as a result of our launch, it was so successful and it's just a testament to working people wanting to be heard. they see me as being them. that's exactly why i'm doing this. >> what do you think paul ryan sg is getting wrong in representing his district? he has the job of being speaker of trying to run the speaker and he has another job and that's to be the representative from the district. >> he's not representing anything, anybody in the district. he's been absent. he hasn't been in the district for over 600 days. he does have time to appear at 50 fund-raiser where you can pay
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$10,000 to have your picture taken with him. he's not doing anything for the people of the first congressional district. we're upset that we're not being heard. whatever he's doing in washington, it's taking away things from us. we're working twice as hard and getting less to show for it. >> judging by your campaign announcement video, your number one issue seems to be health care. why is that the number one issue for you? >> it's an intergenerational issue. i have a son who is a miracle child. i was told i probably wouldn't be able to have children after being diagnosed with cancer. i have to worry about cancer coming back for he. i have to worry about my son playing on a jungle gym and getting hurt. it affected my mother who is the star of the video. not shown in the video is my father who has alzheimer's. my mom's medication, thankfully she has insurance. that gets her the independence
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to visit my dad on a daily basis. i can consider ourselves lucky because we have insurance and i shouldn't be matter of have and have nots. it's a basic right for everybody that we should be able to go see a doctor, to be healthy, to live fulfilling lives. >> what's your biggest disagreement with president trump? >> with president trump, i don't trust him. when i was in the army i spent time, it was during the cold war. we were trained to defend the country against the soviet union. i turn on the tv and it might have been your show and i see the top spy for russia in the oval office. they are putting party before the people and the people have had enough. we deserve honesty and things that don't smell of corruption. >> i think you watch paul ryan closely during the presidential campaign and there were many times he tried to distance himself from the president, from
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presidential candidate donald trump without ever disowning him. always trying to say i don't have to answer for what he says as a candidate. what is your reaction now after paul ryan didn't answer to things that donald trump said as a candidate, he now has him as a president and nowworking together closely. >> well, a few weeks ago the wisconsin republicans had their state convention and paul ryan was thanking everybody there for electing donald trump. he pretty much owns donald trump at this point. there's no distancing himself. he's in charge of setting forth the policies, talking about what's going to be introduced. what has he done? nothing. donald trump has done nothing. has not kept one of his promises. it sounded good when he was making them but there's a lot of smoke and hasn't been any action taken on my of those promises. >> your reaction on election
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night when you saw your state go for donald trump and what will you say to trump voters in wisconsin to pull them over to a democrat. some of them have voted to democrats before. how can you pull them back? >> look at what's been going on. nobody's been listening to the people of the first congressional district. i think by announcing my candidacy the way it just blew up, people are energized. we're really to take things back. there's a lot of buyers remorse going on. just a lot of support. throughout the entire country show that other congressional districts need working people to represent them. this is all about for the working people of america for the first congressional district and i appreciate all the support. >> well, it's been a democratic district before. that was over 24 years ago and so who knows when it's going to swing back.
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to fulfill my solemn duty to protect america and its citizens, the united states will withdraw from the paris climate accord -- [ applause ] thank you. thank you. >> once again, president trump seems to be trying to fulfill a solemn duty to russia. the two biggest beneficiaries of president trump's action today are russia and the very first foreign country that he visited,
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saudi arabia. both of those he countries have oil dependent economies. they are both now struggling to find ways together to maintain the price of oil at a high enough level to sustain their economies. there's really only one way to do that that works. the bad way to do it is to try to restrict the supply of oil. there by driving up the price. that's much harder to do than people think when they try to start it as opec has discovered many, many times. the best way to do it. the very, very best way to do it is to increase demand for oil and to drive up the price by increased demand. that is classical economics. the paris climate accord is designed to increase demand for oil. here's what the leader of the free world said tonight about the united states dropping out of the paris climate accord. >> tonight i wish to tell the
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united states france believes in you. the world believes in you. i know that you are a great nation. i know our common history, france will not give up the fight. i reaffirm clearly that the paris agreement remains irreversible and will be implemented. not just by france but by all the other nations. we will succeed. because we are fully committed. because wherever we live, wherever we are, we all share the same responsibility. make our planet great again. >> we are joined now by dan rather, former anchor of cbs
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news and from the big interview. considering all the presidents you've covered, all of whom have carried the label with them around the world as leader of the free world, to see this tonight, to see the president pull the united states out of a worldwide agreement to. see the president of france step up, specifically speak in english to address the united states of america with a leadership tone on his part about where our future lies and climate and other things. just an regard to moment. >> it is a momentous moment. a very ominous moment. depending on how far president trump can go, how effective he may be, this can make the united states second tier in terms of world leadership, at least on this subject. by the way, i totally agree with russia and saudi arabia are the big winners here. but also china is a big winner. the chinese, they seek to spread their influence.
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particularly in western europe, do business there. chinese, big winners. steve bannon is a big winner. steve bannon is back big time in the white house. between global. is and the nationals won. there's something else at work here with president trump. and william marshall wrote some of this on the internet today. that is, from the outside looking in, it seems clear that he's mad, he has some rage, he is scared, what did he with the russia narrative closing in on him. the investigation about his tax returns, closing in on him. he just came back from his european trip and he was angry with the leader of germany, merkel, and the new leader of france. so you have a president lashing out in anger.
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we haven't had a president this psychologically troubled, i'm trying to use my language. this psychologically troubled in this way since at least richard nixon. and remember, we're still very early in the president trump presidency. this decision today, history is going to punish donald trump for this decision. the question is how will it affect our own country? that may depend on how much of the slack they can take up. that individual state governments, people who know, including corporations, who know this is a bad decision, may try to resist it. but the presidency is very strong. he makes this kind of decision. there are consequences of an election. he was elected. consequences of these kinds of decisions. i do think that it is time for to us take a deep breath. be calm, be steady about it.
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over the long pull, we'll probably be all right. no president is stronger than the whole country. this is not a popular decision. >> you can see our entire interview on our website. the last word.msnbc.com. and that is the last word. a convicted sex offender becomes the victim of a brutal assault that leaves him unconscious and in the hospital. his assailants say the attack was warranted. >> i'm proud of that because that mother [ bleep ] went to the hospital. >> what they don't know might bring regret. >> let me tell you the facts of the case and why i'm so pissed off about it. >> y,

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