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that old image. i'm sorry we couldn't show you. but for anyone curious about this or more curious about this, just go to nbc news.com. you can see tom kcostello's entire today show package. it is worth the watch. worth the full three minutes. thank you. and we will cover the president's trip to germany tomorrow. i will see you later today on "meet the press" daily. meanwhile, alley picks things up right now. hi. >> amazing story. every time i hear from tom, it is truly remarkable. >> i can't get enough of it. it is the story of the day, and nice it isn't politics. >> catch you later on on "meet the press" daily. president trump is on his way to europe right now for high stakes meetings at the g20 meeting. . test firing its first intercontinental missile on tuesday, it is believed to be a two-stage missile with a range
of 3500 miles, possibly 4,000 miles. that means alaska could be in range. united states is strongly condemned the launch and earlier today the u.s. and south korea respond by firing missiles into south korea's waters off the east coast. secretary of state rex tillerson says the launch is a quote new jessi esescalation from the threat of north korea. nikki haley requesting a new meeting after the launch. we will keep you updated on any major developments from that meeting. we've got it all covered today. i want to bring in nbc's kristin welker, following the latest from the white house, and hans nichols tracking information from the pentagon this afternoon. ha in hans, you and i have been talking about this since it happened. this is a more serious missile. to many, this demonstrates escalation in the situation. what are you hearing from the
pentagon? >> well, that it is serious. mobile. and that it's new. what we have learned the last couple of hours, it was a two-stage missile. one booster that got it up and away and second that took it even further then allowed it to climb to 1700 miles above the earth. that gets you the range all the way to parts of alaska. the fact it is on a mobile launcher means there is less time for the u.s. to actually see what is going on. and that it is entirely new missile, one they haven't seen before. we kind of knew that last night because this is their first intercontinental ballistic missile. there is one bit of, comforting might be the wrong word but one bit of self reassuring news here, is that they did have a bit of a tip that something was happening. and when they do surveillance passes over the peninsula, when they try to look at things be try to look to see whether or not there is any movement and any refueling. they had a bit of a tip on this one. officials here are also saying they are confident in the
ground-based interceptor. that's that test they did in late may to knock down anything that comes this direction. they saw this missile take off, at least they did up in the sky and they didn't deem it a threat. that's why gbi wasn't activated. >> ground base interceptor, that the discussion you and i had about a rocket or missile that can intercept a missile. you described it, i believe, as a bullet hitting a bullet many, many miles up in the sky. >> that's where the gbi is. one thing about the gbi, at the end of the year they want to have 40 of them at vandenberg air force base but that means the system could be overloaded. you don't know how many missiles north korea could have. it worked well on that last test. they haven't tested against multiple in-cummings yet. that's the one caveat on the ground based interceptor. >> let's bring kristin welker in. the president has been tweeting about north korea.
he mentioned trade with china increased. the implication being that there is more work to be done with china. be in bringing braesh you're to bear on north korea. at the same time, talk of military action. >> reporter: the reason the tweets are significant is because it comes in the wake of president trump and this white house really focussing on china when it comes to north korea. really making that the strategy to try to turn you will the heat on china to intervene with north korea. remember, this is a president who invited the president of china, to mara laggo in april. there have been a series of phone conversations. there was a sense within the white house that this wasn't a strategy that could be effective. now reality is setting in that china hasn't stepped up to the plate which is effectively what president trump's predecessors realize. let me show you tweets, then we can do more analysis on the other side. president trump tweeting out today the united states made some of the worst trade deals in
world history. why should we continue these deals with countries that do not help us? trade between china and north korea grew almost 40% in the first quarter. so much for china working with us. but we today give it a try. last part so significant, almost seems like he is giving up on china there. reality is he is about to head to the summit in germany. he will have very tough discussions, not only with china but south korea and japan and turn up the heat. administration just last week slapped a round of sanctions on the chinese bank. they have really tried to turn up the pressure on china. will that type of leverage work? we will have to wait and see. but this is undoubtedly the president's largest foreign policy test to date since he has taken office. >> we will continue our analysis on this. thanks, kristin welker and hans nichols. i want to bring in scott snyder. founder and directioner at council on foreign relations. expert on politics in the korean peninsula.
also with us is a spokesperson for former ambassador to united nations, samantha showers. also covering terrorism and financial intelligence. good to see both of you. gar, let me star with you. we are looking at united nations on the screen. nikki haley calling this emergency meeting pf of what consequence is a meeting like this when talking about north korea. one has the sense that north korea isn't paying much attention to what security council is saying. >> usually in an emergency session, while it may not result in a resolution, we would probably know if a resolution was being debated. it rounds up the troops. they will take it seriously. figuringi figuring out what china could agree to in a future resolution. so they can rile up the troops and hopefully in another follow-on meeting propbably impose tougher sanctions. >> one problem with donald trump's strategy says they can
be very bold and very interesting. but in this particular case, he did say in january that north korea is not going to test intercontinental ballistic missile. he said it won't happen, then it happens. north korea keeps calling his bluff. this has got to weaken any approach that america's got with north korea. >> that's right. the last position you want to be in with north korea is one where you draw a red line and north korea walks across it. president trump is not the first president to do that. it's been part of our experience with north korea now for several administrations. we are now at a point where we are seeing the end of the road. north korea is posing a strategic choice to the united states between military coercion or acceptance of north korea as a nuclear power and we need to find a way to make sure we don't get to the end of the road. >> hagar, rex tillerson is speaking more than the president has been on this.
we talked about global action to counter north korea's threat. he went further. he talked about what you interpret to mean possible pli secondary sanctions. not just on north korea. not just on china. but anyone who has anything to do with north korea economically. i think is fair to say that most of that is china, right? north korea's economy. anything to do with trade has to do with china. >> i found it very telling that secretary tillerson used words anybody who is aiding and abetting the north korea regime, whether that means hosting guest workers, some means through which they have an economic benefit, i thought he was very clear and probably hinting toward the use of applying secondary sanctions. but majority of that would be china. there are some other countries, maybe other countries in the middle east, in africa, other parts of asia. but vast majority would be in a position on china. >> and scott, we know that president trump talked to the president of egypt today.
my first thought is what does egypt have anything to do with north korea. is there some value in building an international coalition so that the threat of military or economic force has more teeth? >> there is value in building a coalition. one of the things that needs to be done is that north korea needs to be a economically isolated this in order to turn up the pressure that they think is necessary by strategic choice by kim jong-un. >> hans has been keeping us well updated on military capability. but hagar, i want to play a clip -- just stop for a second. let's go to the united nations where ambassador nikki haley is speaking. >> the actions by north korea yesterday made the world a more dangerous place. their illegal missile launch was not only dangerous but reckless and irresponsible. it shows that north korea does
not want to be part after peaceful world. they have cast a dark shadow of conflict on all nations that strive for peace. yesterday's act came from the same vicious dictator who sent a young college student back home to his parents unresponsive and in a coma. for americans, the true nature of the north korea regime was painfully brought hope with the images of two guards holding him up as they transported him from a prison he should never have been in. a otto warmpeir is one who did not have rights in the north korean regime. all men and women are created in god's image, depravity toward one is a sure sign of willingness to do much more harm. the nature of the north korean
regime is clear. only the scale of the damage it does can become different. that's why yesterday's escalation is so alarming. if north korea will treat an innocent young student the way it treated otto warmbier, we should not be surprise fd if it behaves worse on a larger scales. we seek an end to the threatening actions by north korea. regrettably we're witnessing just the opposite. make no mistakes, north korea's launch of an icbm is a clear and sharp military escalation. the north korean regime openly states that its missiles are intended to deliver nuclear weapons to strike cities in the united states, south korea and japan. and now it has greater ka pacap
to do so. in truth, it is not just the united states and its allies that are threatened. this is a threat to all nations in the region and beyond. their actions are quickly closing off the possibility of a diplomatic solution. the united states is prepared to use the full range of our capabilities to defend ourselves and our allies. one of our capability lies with our considerable military sources. we will use them if we must but we prefer not to go in that direction. we have methods of addressing those who threaten us and who supply the threats. we have great capabilities in the area of trade. president trump has spoken repeatedly about this. i spoke with him at length about it this morning. there are countries allowing, even encouraging trade with north korea in violation of
resolutions. such countries would also like to continue their trade arrangements with the united states. that's not going to happen. our attitude on trade changes when countries do not take international security threats seriously. before the path to peaceful solution is entirely closed, however, there remains more that the international community can and must do, diplomatically and economically. in coming days we will bring before security council a resolution that raises international response in way that is proportionate to north korea's news escalation. i will not detail the resolution here today but the options are all known to us. if we are unified, the international community can cut off sources of hard currency to the north korean regime. we can restrict the flow of oil to their military and their weapons program. we can increase air and maritime
restrictions. we can hold senior regime officials accountable. the international community has spoken frequently against the illegal and dangerous access of the north korean regime. for many years there had been numerous u.n. sanctions against north korea. but they have been insufficient to get them to change their destructive course. so in order to have an impact, in order to move north korea off its military escalation, we must do more. we will not look exclusively at north korea. we will look at any country that chooses to do business with this outlaw regime. we will not have patience for stalling or talking our way down to a watered down resolution. yesterday's icbm escalation requires an escalated diplomatic and economic response. time is short. action is required. the world is on notice. if we act together, we can still
prevent a catastrophe and we can rid the world of a grave threat. if we fail to act in a serious way, there will be a different response. much of the burden of u.s. sanctions rests in china. 90% of trade with north korea is from china. we will work with china. we will work with any and every country that believes in peace. but we will not repeat the inadequate approaches of the past that have brought us to this dark day. we cannot forget the multiple missile tests this year. or yesterday's escalation. we cannot forget otto warmbier and others north korea continues to hold. we cannot forget the threats to our friends and allies around the world. we will not forget and we will not delay. thank you. >> that is u.s. ambassador of the united nations nikki haley calling for an escalated
response to north korea. i want to bring my two guests back in. scott snider from council on foreign relations. and former spokesperson and to the u.n. very articulate bullet point specific list of things that united states is calling on members of the security council to do. so she talked about a full range of sanctions including maritime, air restrictions, financial restrictions. and didn't take military force off the table there. what are your immediate reactions to what you heard from nikki haley? >> it really does put the finger on china. security council resolutions contained many of the elements that you mentioned. but the question has always been chinese enforcement. and i think it is clear that that statement demands that china step up its game and own this problem to a greater extent.
than we've seen in the past. >> hagar, nikki haley was in meetings yesterday dealing with this. she already had conversationes with the chinese, now she is doing this. what happens next? >> i think given north korea's provocations, has the united states prepared themselves and thought this is inevitable, so my thoughts is they laid out a very specific set of steps. there is probably a draft resolution. as b as ambassador haley said they would propose. i think the united states might also unilaterally go to secondary sanctions to isolate north korea completely. >> pretty isolated place already. but they are really talking about isolating it. >> right. with 90% trade with china, that needs to be isolated and she called them out on it. >> very convenient that you were here when the security council
meeting started. thank you. i will bring in congressman pittinger from north carolina. thank you for being with us. >> good afternoon. >> what do you hear here and what do you think is important that the u.s. do now that this just continues to be a series of provocationes from north korea, a country getting closer and closer to putting a nuclear warhead on a missel that can reach the united states. >> it would be on a progressive course for last 30 years. essentially unchecked. what sanctions we've had, we lifted from them in the past. we must be clear in terms of strategy that china is the key and we must recognize china for who china is. china is unrelenting in cyberattacks on the united states, infrastructure, financial systems, on our defense capabilities. they are in pursuit on a daily basis with tens of thousands of people involved. china has not been a faithful partner to us.
yes, they add wonderful meeting in mara laggo and i respect the president for meeting with president xi -- >> right, they set a goal. they seat time line, which is now up, in which there was supposed to be some cogent response to north korea. as you just heard hagar and scott talking about, without china, north korea does not exist as an independent country. >> that's why we have to recognize what our role should be and response back to china. i think we need to be clear in our thinking that we need to have pressure, sanctions, trade related upon as well china. china is the essential country in north korea's existence. >> will the president get the backing of congress in taking the necessary steps? once you get into an economic spitting match with china, everyone will play the price, including american consumers. >> i believe he will. we have a bill right now to reform a committee on foreign
investment in the united states. china over the last nine years has invested over now $50 billion this year. it's an enormous amount of money and then going into our technology, our supply chain, defense systems. recently, chinese-owned company, united states, zte, fined a billion dollars for selling technology to iran. so we must understand that china plays both sides. and we must be clear in terms of what we're doing in response back to that. my hope that our bill, will have careful review and consideration by congress and i believe that congress understands the culpability in china. >> good to talk to you as always. >> congressman robert pittinger of north carolina. let's take another picture here. you are looking a live at an emergency heeti emergency meeting on the threat of north korea with the latest missile test. we will monitoring this meeting
for you. we will bring you news as it happens. president trump may be expecting a warm welcome as he lands in poland. about an hour on route to the g20 summit. but his sit-down with vladimir putin will be the thing causing the most concern. >> i look at this as two alpha males coming together in prefight press conference. this is muhammad ali and joe frazier. for your heart... your joints... or your digestion...
to arrive in poland about an hour to start the second overseas trip in his administration. from there meeting with european leaders. on friday at g20 he is meeting vladimir putin face-to-face. it's going to be, by some accounts, an awkward meeting. there are now at least five investigations under way into russia's interference in the 2016 election. >> if he says great things about me, i'm going to say great things about him. >> if putin likes donald trump, i consider that an asset, not a liability. i like to negotiate things. i do it well. i know all this stuff. but it is possible i won't be able to get along with putin. >> we didn't have a relationship at all. there was a time he used to come to moscow but i never met with him. >> joining me now from warsaw, peter i want it talk about the g20 summit in a second. but he will be there in poland in a matter of minutes. it is a bit of a controversial stop in the eyes of some in
europe. what are the potential pit falls of this visit? >> of course, the bottom line is this is not a major strategic ally for the united states. but there are significant similarities between donald trump and the polish government in power. it's why the white house hand-picked this destination. the party here came into power in 2015 on similarly nationalistic and populist platform. in the eyes of some anti-immigrant, anti-eu, frankly. that's one of the concerns for some governments in western europe. what is notable is by coming to poland he is not coming to where presidents typically go to, like the united kingdom and france. here he is expected to have a huge and warm welcome. we looked at some apartmently members here who were offered buses and bussing in constituents tomorrow to the president's remarks. delivering a speesh at kri zin
ski square. that's the site of the uprising. they expect there to be a big enthusiastic crowd. that's what president was promised. the white house hasn't responded to those reports. this is important for this president as he tries to potentially reshift the balance in this region. a region concerned about being too dependent on russian energy. the president is likely to tout desire to provide new information sources from the united states. they are already providing liquid -- liquefied natural gas. this region in central and eastern europe wants to ally itself better with the u.s. to become stronger on its own. and have a better push back against russia. >> let's talk about g20 now. vladimir putin is on the record as saying he did not direct, despite what 17 different american intelligence agencies say, he did not direct interference into the 2016 election. maybe he said some british russians did it on their own accord.
donald trump is about as tepid as can you get in his embrace that the russians interfered in this. a lot of americans say job one for donald trump will be to confront vladimir putin about what he knows and what he wants vladimir putin to stop doing. how is that going to go? >> i think you can safely say this is the biggest meeting between two world leaders in years. heavy anticipation for the opportunity of these two men to visit face-to-face. the white house describes this as full-fledged by lateral meeting. it is not just a short visit on the side lines but one where the two will get together. the kremlin says they will focus on terrorism and ukraine and as it was described to us by one kremlin official the sort of impasse in u.s./russian relations. obviously observers, specifically critics will say this president focus on moscow's meddling in the 2016 election with great frustration. a lot of it at home and the
president has done very little to push back against russia forty interference last year. >> vladimir putin has items, he watt sanctions lifted as it relates it ukraine. he wants sanctions lift sewed they can produce more oil. he wants u.s. to do different things in syria. he goes in with a bunch of agenda items. i guess everybody will see which two of the men get any of their stuff checked off on their list. >> yeah. these two countries overlap in so many different regions and so many different situations right now. it is what all eyes will focus on, on this trip. >> thank you for that. jane harmon is currently director even president of woodrow wilson center. good to see pyou. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> this meeting, donald trump has got real work to do. work to do with vladimir putin at g20. work to do with president xi of china as it relates it north korea at g20.
and a whole bunch of european nationes who don't think he is fully supportive of the mutual defense treaty that is nato. what does he have to accomplish here? >> the poland stop is a do-over, as far as i'm concerned were for the mistake he made when he was in europe by not saying personally that he supported article 5 of the nato charter. that is, the common defense art kel that they voluntarily invoked a after we attacked on 9/11. >> the only time anyone invoked it is when the u.s. was attacked. >> yes. the polish government is a far right government but standing in front of that resistance memorial is an impressive thing to do. so i applaud him for doing that. going to g20 will be dicey. his theory that all negotiations are bilateral is going tore
proved, not true with respect to our international allies and negotiating with one has implications for another. and g20 or many of them are very upset about pulling out of the paris climate accord. i'm sure he will hear about that. and as you just said, or it is very tricky. and i would just suggest he focus on russian hacking of european elections. the french election, which was foiled, but the german election which takes place in september, to bring those issues to the audience that he has to impress. >> all right. and finally on north korea, an emergency u.n. security council meeting going on right now with nikki haley, doing what you normally expect to hear from secretary of state. but listing the various things that they want security council members and other allies to do. do you believe that there is room to work with china by either threat of economic sanction or otherwise to put the necessary pressure on north
korea to stop this? >> sure, i do. but i think some of that work has to be done in private. not through, you know, tweets and demand. public demands. nikki haley's impressive and she is handling this very well. i wasn't sure -- we're checking to see whether all of the members of the security council are there. but if they are, china and russia are there. they made demands on trump just in last day to at least freeze, if not stop, some of our activities in terms of missile defense in south korea. it is interesting. they are making demand of us. but i think china is a key to north korea. those relations are not as friendly as portrayed. china is competing with us for influence on the peninsula, not lining up with us for the same influence. >> which is why a solution to this is harder than one tlis. and donald trump's confronting that right now. jane, good to see you. thanks as always for being with
us. jane harmon, director of woodrow wilson center. former congresswoman from california. standing their ground. more than 40 states refusing to send voter data to the white house. rejecting the president's request. >> this process to me at this point looks like it is questionable at best. reckless and harmful at worse. i don't trust it. don't take my word for it. 40 other states said the same thing. either completely or partially. i have real concerns about this effort nationally. >> plus, newly discovered photograph suggests that amelia earhart may have survived the crash landing thought to have killed her 80 years ago. this is quite a story. we will explain after the break. ready for some relief? xiidra is the first and only eye drop approved for both the signs and symptoms of dry eye. one drop in each eye, twice a day. common side effects include eye irritation, discomfort or blurred vision when applied to the eye,
things like your name and address but also more personal things like the last four digits of your social security number, political party and your voting history since 2006, any felony convictions and military status. a lot of states are balking at request for voter role information. as of our count 44 states plus washington, d.c. are doing one of the following three things. number one, outright saying no to handing over any of the information. number two, only handing over information that is already public. and number three, still reviewing the request. one of those states outright denying the request is kentucky. allison is kentucky's secretary of state. she joins me now. allison, we spoke the other night. i've been speaking to you and other secretary of state about your outrage over the request every single time i am on tv. i think it's important to understand a line you are drawing between this request of
president trump's, and voter suppression and poll taxes. and the cost ben fut here is very bad. >> you're exactly right, alley. and just prior to that, it is the anniversary of the enactment of the 1964 civil rights act. we have come a long way, literally marchs, from birmingham, alabama to os low, norway with martin luther king, jr. accepted the peace prize. we don't need to be going back. when we look at what is going on nationally, over 89 bills, just this year alone and 30 states seeking to restrict voting rights, access to the ballot box, this commission is doing nothing more than perpetuating and trying to find evidence for a false claim, a lie, outright lie that president continues to reiterate and kentucky simply won't be part of it. i have to say it's been a week since you and i first talked and the commission received a reception nationwide that hasn't
been positive. as my grandmother used to say, it's about as welcoming a as breeze off an outhouse. the folks across the state, not just democrats but republicans, are realizing that turning over sensitive personal information to the federal government, to the president, who requested this, one sb it in the state's interest, and two, is it in the individual's interest? >> you also bring up the idea that this is a state thing. whether one agrees with it, likes it or thinks it's inefficient, in this country what we think of of federal elections, president bl elections, are state elections. >> that's exactly right. the constitution is very clear. when it come to the administration of our elections it is left to the states to run. especially registration of voters. this is a commission that was created by the president in order to try to find evidence for a claim that across the board, whether you are democrat or republican, expert after expert and study after study
continues to show there is no basis for. that is the claim th3 to 5 milln people voted illegally in this last election. we need to move forward. not backward. and the president admits 140 characters at a time was set up to try to find evidence for his insecurity in losing the popular vote is not the direction we need to be headed in. as you noted at the top of the broadcast we have no state across the nation that is fully complying with this request. the common real j is not going to be a part of wasting taxpayer dollars nationally or worse what i see as national voter suppression effort. >> kentucky secretary of state allison gramimes. thank you for joining me. we will stay on top of the story for you. >> thank you very much. >> did amelia earhart and her navigate wore, fred noonen, really die when their plane crashed over the pacific during that round the world flight or
did they survive? the key could lie in a picture i'm about to show you. this one. this photo was just found in a pile of old top secret files at the national archives. a woman resembling amelia earhart and her navigator, fred noonen, on the dock in japanese con tro controlled marti controlled marshal islands. it is believed to be real, which would mean that earhart crash landed in the marshal island and survived. >> the hair line is the most distinctive characteristics. very sharp receding airline. the nose is prominent. that's my feeling that this is very convincing evidence. this is probably noonen. >> earhart and noonen were last heard from on july 2, 1937. their plane never found. locals claim they saw it go down and the two were taken away by
japanese officiales. japanese authorities tell nbc they have no record two of the of them in custody. the special, amelia earhart, lost evidence, airs sunday. up next, what republicans health care bill could mean for millions living with alzheimer's disease. a disease that here in the united states strikes someone new every minute, a rate that's expected to double in the next 50 years. this as lawmakers hear from constituents. many facing backlash over the senate health care bill while home this week. >> i saw a sign about health insurance costs being too high. i agree. i hear that from texans all over the state. my focus is lowering premiums so health insure suns more affordable. that's what i hear from texans, is their priority as well. th. wondering, what if? i let go of all those feelings.
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if you've been watching over the past few weeks, have you no doubt noticed i've been breaking down the facts of the most serious conditions affecting americans everyday. today on the docket, alzheimer's disease. alzheimer's is remarkably common. over 5 million "american idoame currently live with alzheimer's. this is the sixth leading cause of death in america. 1 out of every 3 seniors in america dies with alzheimer's or a similar form of dementia.
as you can imagine, treatment of alzheimer's like the other diseases i've been talking to but here is costly. $259 billion is spent in treatment each year. 68% of this comes from medicaid or medicare. that's why this is such an important part of this discussion. cost of treatment isn't exclusively monetary, either. last year, more than 15 million americans contributed to the more than 18 billion hours, get this, of unpaid care to individuals who are affected by alzheimer's and other forms of dementia. so this is a really important part of this. if you have someone in your family or close to you who has alzheimer's or dementia, there's a lot of stuff that isn't about money or paid health. it involves a lot of people. it is easy to get lost in the numbers of this disease. but there are real people behind these figures both patients and families. to give us closer perspective on
alzheimer's, i want to bring in deborah khan. she is the founder of something called, being patient. deborah, thanks for being with us. you wrote an article aimed at republican senators recently. have you a striking story in it about a woman whose husband wag diagnosed with alzheimer's at age 55 and the ridiculous journey she is going through to try and qualify for medicaid benefits to help with treatment. tell me about this. tell me how these medicaid cuts are going to have an impact on both treatment and the care givers? >> okay, thanks so much. the short answer to all of that is less money going into medicaid is going to mean less options, less services for those who are impacted by alzheimer's disease. susan ellis was a woman i mentioned in my op-ed, one of the many people who wrote us to when we went out and said, what is it that you need to know what most. what type of information do you
need on alzheimer's disease. we were really surprised about the number of people who wrote us to over anguish against the u.s. health care systems. sharing their experiences of what they went through. susan being one example. she was someone who has been married to her husband, frank, 19 years. he was diagnosed with early onset alzheimer's disease at age 55 last spring. spring of 2016. he took an extraordinary rapid decline and needed full-time care a year later. susan had no other option but to quit her own job. she wanted to take care of frank inside their own home. she went to medicare and said, i need help. i need funding to help me with his care inside the home. what happened was she was told, well actually, i'm sorry, you're too wealthy for us to provide you with medicare.
frank had an ira. she was told to spend down the ira. >> at age 55. >> they went from two-income household to zero-income household and told have too muc to be provided with any access. >> i don't want to get into the hierarchy of which disease is worse or better, but one of the problems with alzheimer's and other forms of dementia is the difficulty in diagnosing what it is and the rate at which it's going to affect one's ability to do the things they do. the care they're going to need and one of the things you point out is that it's very difficult as it stands to navigate the health care system and what you can get from it. and the senate bill worsens that. >> absolutely. i mean, one of the problems is the bureaucracy in which people have to navigate the system. they need more options, not less options. what medicaid currently does is alzheimer's is a disease as we know that impacts mostly the
elderly. they receive medicare. under medicare though you're only entitled to about 100 days in the nursing home. what medicaid does for so many of these people is it gives them options. it gives them the option of in home care, receiving money towards that and also for nursing home care. with less money going into medicare what is inevitably going to happen are some of the optional services like providing assistance for people to look after like susan their husband frank. that most likely would go away. and in addition, you're going to have less money to spend on nursing home care. which is extraordinarily expensive. i think, you know, over -- we're talking north of $200,000 a year. >> i think the point you make is very valid. two income homes can become zero income homes because if somebody in your house has alzheimer's it's so difficult to navigate that you may have to leave your job to deal with it. deborah, thank you. the founder and executive editor
of being patient. while we wait for washington to figure out health care next, one option that plenty of people want but not on the table is insurance for everyone, no matter who. for fact's sake i look at how universal health care is possible and we're not just talking single payer. >> 58 countries around the globe have universal health care systems and 34 of 35 developed countries in the world offer some form of universal coverage. all of them except for one. the united states. here's how universal systems work. there's a mandate that every person must have insurance that covers basic health services and this pools the risk health coverage across the entire population which brings down costs for all. on average, spending on medical care is 60% lower than it is in the united states. the insurance is paid through through premiums and taxes. those payments help subsidize coverage for the people who
can't afford it. and that's very different from the current american health system where thousands of different parties some private, some public and some individual chip in a bit. while millions of people still go without insurance because it's too costly. calls for universal system in the united states go back decades but all attempts so far have failed. still, new polling by pew suggests that 60% of americans think the federal government should be responsible for guarantees health care for all. critics of universal health systems point to higher taxes and longer wait times for doctors because they often prioritize urgent cases. but the u.s. can have long waits too. more often than not because insurance companies are trying to save money. meanwhile, health premiums continue to rise. no health system is perfect but one that gives coverage to all may still have its day. all right, coming up next look at this. violence erupting inside
we are back with some astonishing video just coming in from venezuela. moments ago, pro government groups burst into venezuela's congress as an explosion, bullets firing. you can see bloody congressmen as well. i want to bring in a woman following this story since it broke a few moments ago. can you explain this situation to us? >> reporter: so ali, we are
seeing them burst into the opposition controlled congress. as you very well described there's video that's emerged showing bloodied congressmen and injured journalists. i spoke to one of the lawmakers who is still inside. there's about a hundred people still stuck inside in what is an active situation according to him. it's a sort of standoff at this point. you have about 100 people including opposition congressmen stuck inside congress with these pro government groups outside. the national assembly of venezuela's congress has been tweeting that the military isn't protecting these opposition lawmakers but rather letting the pro government groups meet as the lawmakers inside. this is completely as you can imagine disrupted the proceedings today. they were discussing a new constitution that the president wants to impose on venezuela in about a month's time that would
concentrate power around the executive. and as you know, ali, this is happening after more than three months of continuous protests in venezuela. you have every day venezuelans, young people protesting against the socialist government and basically clamoring for food, for medicine and for more freedoms. the irony of it all as you mentioned the beginning is that this is happening on venezuela's independence day. in this country that is a short three hour flight away from miami from where i'm sitting now. >> and the back drop as you said, venezuela has descend into economic chaos over the last couple of years. an oil rich country that had a great deal of surplus money and through mismanagement and other things it has turned into a place where people struggled to get the basics in daily life. marianna, we'll stay on top of this story with you. and donald trump's pick to become the next fbi director,
christopher wray will face hearings next week. if confirmed he will replace fired comey. mccabe is the acting director. that does it for me until tomorrow at 11:00 and 3:00 eastern. time to give it all up and hand it over. ♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00. the world has become a more dangerous place over the last 24 hours with north korea demonstrating clear progress toward its goal of developing a nuclear weapon that could strike the u.s. releasing this video of their purported missile launch on state tv. american presidents before donald trump have faced the same limited option as he does. but never before have north korea's capabilities represented such a great threat to this country and allies. this as donald trump is moments away from landing in warsaw, poland, where he'll attend the g20 summit and hold his first