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trying to seize control of the government by rewriting the constitution. opposition leaders who control the legislature are trying to negotiate a way to get him out. this photo showing just the latest outbreak of violence for a country very much in crisis right now. the photographer there car lois garcia rollins for reuters. you can find me all day on social media. there are my handles. i'll see you back here at 1:00. right now my colleague ali velshi picking things up. >> have a great rest of the day. good morning, everyone, my colleague stephanie ruhle is out today. but let's get started. >> call on all nations to confront this global threat. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. but i have some pretty severe things that we're thinking about. i don't draw red lines. president obama drew a red line. >> again, we've drawn a line. we have said this cannot go on. >> they have the missile ability
to potentially reach and that simply takes options off the table for the united states. within 50 miles of the border, 26 million koreans, 130,000 americans. >> the united states is prepared to use the full range of our capabilities to defend ourselves and our allies. >> will you once and for all yes or no say russia interfered in the 2016 election? >> i think it was russia and could have been other people and other countries. could have been a lot of people interfered. >> maybe it was russia, maybe it was the dude in jersey. >> they say it was russia. why won't you agree and say it was? >> let me start off by saying i heard it was 17 agencies. boy, that's a lot. do we even have that many intelligence agencies? my big question, why did obama do nothing about it from august all the way to november and did nothing about it and it wasn't because he choked. >> president of the united states ripping another president
of the united states on foreign soil. >> and cia. >> and press. >> that's unseemly on its own. >> the simple thing he should have said in the press conference, there's a special counsel investigating this matter, robert mueller, highly reinfected former fbi director and i'll leave the judgment about what happened to him. >> that would be a good answer. >> that too would work. >> it's correct. >> and pings would be flying around war saw, circling. >> we urge russia to cease its destabilizing activities in ukraine and elsewhere and its support for hostile regimes to fundamentally question of our time is whether the west has the will to survive. >> president trump is now in hamberg germany, arriving there an hour ago to attend the g-20 summit and hold a highly anticipated meeting with
vladimir putin and hold an important meeting with xi jing ping as he weighs his options for confronting the threat from the ally north korea. that in the wake of a successful test that could potentially reach alaska. the president had harsh words for north korea and for russia during a news conference earlier this morning in warsaw, poland before ending his visit there. we've got all of this covered with nbc correspondent keir simmons and kelly o'donnell in hamberg, germany and hans nichols at the pentagon. keir, let's start with you. as you are there at the g-20, there are a growing number of protesters gathering, what's the situation? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, ali, around 20,000 german police have converged on the city here as you can see bin me, just a few of them to manage the potential protests and protect the world leaders including president trump who are here. the protests taking place right now is behind me there.
there are speeches and music so we've moved a little further away but the name of this protester is g-20 welcome to hell, pretty strong message there. a couple of folks that we've found all the way here from chile, what is your message for president trump? >> president trump, g-20 leaders we're not your slaves. we're more strong. >> reporter: not your slaves. >> leave it for -- for the people, for south america. >> reporter: all right, thank you very much. good to meet you. there you go, lots of messages from the protesters as their often are with the g-20. so far ali, it has been fairly peaceful. we did see with clashes with protesters overnight and carriage was set fire. there were eight vehicles damaged in that and as you can see, the police here are fully
equipped. let me before we throw it back to you give you a little look around at these water cannon stationed just in the street here prepared for potential clashes because here's what the protesters are hoeching to do. they openly say they want to get further across the city that way to where the world leaders are due to meet. their aim or some of their aim is to try to prevent those meetings from taking place. and the police who have dispatched these water cannon think of the 100,000 protesters who are here in hamburg, around 8,000 are bent on violence -- >> that is typical of g-20s, every city or country that hosts them has to confront the fact there is a base of people who don't like the globalist idea, the idea that thez global leaders of countries that are account for about two-thirds of the world's economy are making decisions. their always tend to be protesters it's not about the
message, it's about the institution? >> reporter: yeah, that's exactly right. it's fundamental for many of the protester to say capitalism is wrong and these world leaders do not have our best interest at heart. they are playing power politics. of course, it's really fundamental for the germans and angela merkel who are putting this show on, if y li, to be able to demonstrate that they can protect world leaders like president trump and protect democracy as they would see it. as you can see already they are moving dispatches of well protected german police around the square. i suspect their -- if there are indeed 10,000 protesters gathered in the square here when the full demonstration is in full flow, i suspect their aim is to prevent them moving from this area. we'll see as the hours progress. >> we'll stay close to you through the course of the day. i want to take you over to hans nichols following the north korea situation and has been for
days. hans, as war talk develops and red lines and threats, defense secretary mattis in may had said that a conflict in north korea would be the worst kind of people in most people's life times. let's talk about some of the reasons for that. number one, there are about 28,500 troops in south korea. when you add up all of the u.s. troops in the area, total nearby that includes the number in south korea and japan and philippines, we end up with 79,000 u.s. troops in the area. and all of them are in danger the minute there's war with north korea. >> they are in danger in south korea and dependence and families are in nger. that's one indication they were not quite at tgger level. that fils have no bn recalled in the past and difficult situations whether been turkey or bahrain, you've seen families and dependents get recalled.
publicly the pentagon this morning it seems to be strategic studied silence. they are not necessarily teasing out what president donald trump meant by severe consequences. have a list en to how trump put it hours ago in poland. >> we must also confront the threat from north korea, that's what it is, it's a threat. we'll confront it very strongly. we call on all nations to confront this global threat and publicly demonstrate to north korea that there are consequences for their very, very bad behavior. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. but i have some pretty severe things that we're thinking about, that doesn't mean we're going to do them. they are behaving in a very, very dangerous manner. and something will have to be done about it. >> ali, the strategy at the pentagon seems to be to give the
diplomats some ammunition on things north korea is doing, how far out of the norm they are. yesterday you heard a lot of talk how unsafe it was to mariners and commercial aircraft shooting a missile in the sky like that. they want to get the entire global community and not have it be just a china focused strategy and let nikki haley and r tillerson do the heavy lifting before they telegraph moves. >> there are mixed messages, you heard him saying we are drawing red lines. this is important to note this is a remarkable dangerous situation and escalation but there's still -- there are still diplomatic channels to follow to work it out. you and i will continue this conversation later on. let's go to kelly o'donnell live in hamburg. before we talk about the important things that have to happen at g-20, it's important that president trump did say in public do we actually have 17 intelligence agencies.
we do. there are 16 intelligence agencies plus the directorate of national intelligence, that's 17, all have their own seal. we need to put that to rest. there are 17 agencies and that's a fact the president of the united states should know. >> reporter: and he's been receiving briefings from the intelligence community since he became the republican nominee for president so roughly a year now. and in the context of where he said do we even have 17 today in response to questions back in poland, it did raise a question of was he uncertain about the number of intelligence agencies. in kind of a kmob way we tend to think of the cia or nsa but there's the defense intelligence agency and many others that are attached to different parts of the federal government. when he referred to only three or four may have that information, that may be what he's referring to in terms of which of those agencies has the specific responsibility to
investigate and have sort of the portfolio that would cover russian interference, cyber warfair, that type of thing. but the intelligence community of the 17 agencies has accepted the conclusions of the cia and others that were on the front edge of determining that not only russia but vladimir putin specifically ordering this kind of interference with the hacking and attempts to pen straight election systems around the country, also there have been a number of intelligence chiefs who have testified under oath before congress and extension the american people who have talked about the fact that they believe without any hesitation that there are markers that tell them russia is responsible. and vladimir putin personally directed this action. it shouldn't be a surprise by nature of fact he is a strong hand and not just the patriotism of some russians as he indicated
in an interview with megyn kelly, but he directs this. that is part of what motivated hall lee jackson to get once and for all a comment from the president about the status of russia's interference, she did so by questioning the president earlier today in war saw. >> will you once and for all yes or no, definitively say that russia interfered in the 2016 election? >> i think it was russia and i think it could have been other people and other countries. i won't be specific but i think a lot of people interfered. >> mistakes have been made. i agree i think it was russia but i think it was probably other people and/or countries and i see nothing wrong with that statement. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. nobody really knows for sure is
the kind of thing in stark contrast to the testimony under oath by intelligence chiefs who do believe it was russia and russia was motivating the intent to interfere with the election. now, of course the president is correct that there are other countries that also engage in cyber warfare. we've seen north korea do that. in the specific of the election issue, the experts are saying it was russia and the president still holding out some possibility that there's more to that story, important on the eve of his meeting with vladimir puting, his first face to face tomorrow. tonight the president is meeting with angela merkel and president moon of south korea and prime minister abe of japan. there are very packed schedules here with very consequential meetings. tomorrow is a big headline but tonight will be important as well. >> important he's meeting with leaders of japan and south korea. china is not in that meeting. kelly, thanks very much, good to see you, kelly o'donnell in hamburg. stand by we're watching all
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welcome back, i'm velshi, ruhle is off today. president trump is in the middle of it all, protests are ramping up right now. can see them in hamburg germany as president trump arrives for the g-20 summit. they want world leaders to do more to wipe out economic unequality in the world. >> that's 3.6 billion people and where one in ten people live on less than $2 a day where almost 800 million people go to bed hungry every night.
that situation is completely unacceptable. we're here at the g-20 in hamburg and it's essential the g-20 puts reducing inequality number one on their agenda. >> that number comes from oxfam, they go to g-20 and world economic forum, interesting statistic, eight people have as much wealth as the bottom 3.6 billion in the world. pretty incredible the concentration of wealth in this world. joining me now is ed markey of massachusetts, on the foreign relations committee serving as the top democrat on the east asia subcommittee. thanks for being with me again. >> good to see you again. >> let's talk about this. it's a day before the direct bilateral meeting between president trump and president putin. donald trump criticizes russia for destabilizing parts of the world yet tells our own hall lee jackson, not even sure there are 17 intelligence agencies, sure
russia must have been involved in some hacking but other people are too. many need him to confront vladimir putin about this issue and put conditions on the table and he's not even agreeing with the 17 intelligence agencies he's not sure ist. >> well, right now donald tmp is the only american whooes not believe that the russians interfered with our elections and i think his discussion with putin will be a failure if he does not raise the issue and directly confront putin with regard to what the russians attempted to do in our elections in 2016. it's our most sacred institution and why we began the american institution to have elections free of foreign interference at the time it was king george and now vad miladimir putin. if he refuses to deal with the issues, it's going to undermine his credibility here at home that's he's willing to take on
the tough issues overseas. >> from the perspective of you, the legislators in washington, vladimir mu vladimir putin does want sanctions lifted and u.s. to get out of his business in ukraine and wants the ability to drill with american oil companies that have technology to get oil of the arctic that russia doesn't have and wants and agreement on syria. he's going in with a list of things. we don't know what donald trump's list of things are. >> well, let's hope that donald trump's list includes number one, the hacking into our elections in the united states, number two, bringing russia to the table so that assad in syria knows that he has to have a diplomatic resolution of that conflict otherwise it will go on indefinitely, that the president is talking to putin about the
y ukraine and about the russian aggression in the ukraine and finally, the russian deployment of nuclear weapons in violation of the inf treaty. that is sitting on the table as well with the need for the president of the united states to confront putin and let him know that it is unacceptable and a violation of international law. >> well, at least he -- rearticulated that the united states does adhere to article 5 of the nato agreement which is worrying some of our european allies but now we have the north korean issue and the president is meeting with the prime minister of japan and new president of south korea for dinner. you study this issue very closely. you have seen several administrations exercise what's called strategic restraint with north korea. we seem to now rapidly be escalating toward possible military confrontation, there are a lot of reasons, senator, why military confrontation with north korea is a really bad
idea. >> well, there is no military resolution of this conflict with north koreans, north korea has nuclear weapons. north korea has thousands of rockets and missiles on the north korean side of the border with south korea with 25 million south koreans living within 50 miles of the border. it would be catastrophic if the president is signaling that there is potentially a nuclear or military confrontation with north korea which is possible. the only alternative is is direct negotiations between the united states and north korea. that is what the chinese have been requesting the united states to engage in for years. it ultimately is going to be the only route towards any potential productive resolution of this conflict. it would have to be done in conjunction with tightening
chinese sanctions on the north koreans but that is the direction we should be heading in towards the diplomacy not towards an escalation. that ultimately could result in a catastrophic war on the korean peninsula. >> senator marky, thank you for joining us. >> senator ed markey, rking member of the east asia subcommitt portant to what's going on right now. your life and money and safety. here's a quick rundown of president trump's xeng for the rest of the week in 30 minutes you'll have that meeting with angela merkel hash tag awkward. friday is first face to face meeting with vladimir putin, what we were just talking about. stay with us. noo
welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." here are the top stories we're watching right now, president trump is in hamburg germany, that's him getting off the plane and holding high stakes meetings there tomorrow with vladimir putin. earlier this morning in warsaw, the president also said he had quote pretty severe things he's thinking about saying in response to north korea's successful test of that missile that could potentially reach alaska. also this morning, new concern
about congressman steve scalise, three weeks after being shot in the hip at the congressional baseball practice, he's back in intensive care and listed in serious condition again. they are concerned about an infection. >> that was the scene earlier today in germany after a train carrying almost 1,000 g-20 protesters arrived in hamburg. a massive demonstration is scheduled for today. protesters say the g-20 has failed to solve issues threatening world peace, including income in equality and president trump will soon meet with world leaders and as we wait for news to come out of the meetings, i want to look at exactly what the g-20 is and why it's important. it's a group of 20 countries, actually made up of 19 countries and all of this in here the
european union. all of the countries make the g-20 with more than 20 countries brings together leaders from all over the world each year. to make sure the global economy is healthy and growing. . g-20 are the world's biggest economic players and make up 80% of global economic production and 75% of global trade and are home to 66% of the world's population, the summit began in 1999 and meeting basically of just finance ministers and bank governors in the respective countries after the asian financial crisis. but in 2008 when the global financial crisis hit after the collapse of layman brothers the head of state were brought in making it the first g-20 summit. this year it's germany's turn. what do they want to do? to come up with ways to
strengthen the financial global system to achieve strong global economic kbroej and boost global employment and discuss issues tied to the economy like refugee policy and counterterrorism and also discuss specific issues that affect the global economy. they talk about climate change, refugee policy and counterterrorism, want to figure out how to analyze the spread of digital technology and focus on improving the quality of women's employment and address anti-microial resistance to viruses around the world and challenges to food security and agriculture and water. that's what they are supposed to be generally doing. the more important stuff this time around may be happening on the sidelines because all eyes will be on president trump tomorrow as he meets with vladimir putin and chinese president xi jinping which comes right after donald trump's recent criticism of both countries. tonight, there could be work going on behind the scenes that might ruffle some feathers,
joining me now is nicholas burns, former u.s. ambassador to nato and undersecretary of state for political affairs and professor of diplomacy and international relations at harvard's school of government. phil rut ger is in the scene as well for the "washington post." heavy hitting panel for this important topic. guys, good to see you thank you for being with us. >> good to be here. >> ambassador, the president is going to be meeting with xi jinping, they met with mar-a-lago and had a strategy to get things done and north korea has come to overshadow all of this. the president is meeting with the new president of south korea and japan but not xi jinping over dinner. >> i think the north korea issue will be the dominant issue at the g-20 summit and president trump is right to meet with president moon of south korea and prime minister abe of japan because those are our close
allies, they are treaty allies of the united states, both of them potential victims of north korea. and start first principles in diplomacy, he wants to send a clear signal to the north koreans that he'll protect and defend these two countries, south korea and japan. it also makes sense for the three countries to coordinate on our strategy because clearly the chinese are not going to help strategically, president trump was i think correct in putting that challenge to xi jinping mar-a-lago. they are not going to disrupt unnecessarily. good to start with this meeting. hopefully the europeans will be able to help push on the chinese and russians to be much more critical of the north korean ballistic missile test this week. >> phil, we have a problem as you saw earlier, hallie jackson asking the president whether he's going to confront vladimir putin with respect to the -- most are worried about
interfering in the election, once again a wishy washy answer that says he's not really sure there are 17 intelligence agencies, 16 plus the directorate of national intelligence and sure the russians interfered but others did too. this does not bode well for him confronting president putin about hacking the election? >> it does not. i will say that what the president had to say in the news conference and what he said later in his speech in warsaw chiding russia was more aggressive than we've seen him heof in the united states in his remarks where he's doubted that russia was involved in the hacking at well. there's appreciate your politically and allies around the world to confront russia about the interference and it's unclear whether he'll follow through and do that when he gets face to face with putin for first time. >> i want to ask you, i did this description of nato, you were an ambassador to nato. if you're vladimir putin and looking -- i want to put this
map up of nato countries around russia, we have lidge wain i can't and poland and hungary and romania, if you're russia, there are some that argue you're starting to feel hemmed in, that wasn't the deal, that russia's borders were roughly going to be surrounded with pro-western countries, many of which have western arments and troops and planes. does vladimir putin have a beef that's valid? >> no he does not, none whatsoever. the united states never committed and george hw administration or bill clinton administration, i was part of both, this was demand driven sean democracies in central europe and they had to live behind the iron curtain and they are free countries and sought membership with both nato and eu and good that we filled this vacuum, republican and democratic administrations because putin would be preying
on them now if we hadn't brought them into nato. i think if you look at tomorrow's meeting, we really saw two trumps today. we saw in the press conference, a trump that criticized the american intelligence community that was very soft on the issue of american interference on the elections, we saw a tougher president trump in the speech. i hope the tougher trump shows up tomorrow. he has to raise this issue that the russians launched a major cyber attack on our elections and have to stand by ukrainians on the sanctions, that will be the true test of tomorrow's meeting. >> let me ask you this, i want to put up a map of the baltic members of nato. let's look at he is tone ya and lithuania in particular. when russia went into ukraine, a lot of fear in those countries is that there are russians who
protection and use the argument they used in ukraine to start to move into western european countries. that's really why so many nato countries want donald trump to continue to reassert this mutual defense that's article 5 of nato, right? >> that's certainly right. estonia has one quarter and latvia about a third. they were incorporated by invasion into the soviet union in may 1940. they liberated themselves at the end of the cold war and joined the eu and nato. our article 5 protection extends to them. that's why it was so important that president trump finally reaffirmed today in a speech in foe land that we remain dedicated to article 5. putin needs to know where the lines are and every american president has to defend nato allies. >> ambassador, thanks so much. nicholas burns, former undersecretary of state. phil rutger was with us in the
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the beswith neutrogena® beach? beach defense® sunscreen. helioplex™ powered, uva uvb strong. beach strength protection for the whole family. for the best day in the sun. neutrogena®. welcome back to "velshi & ruhle," stephanie ruhle is off today. president trump arrived in hamburg germany moments ago. keir simmons is live on the ground where protests have been growing. >> reporter: the protests are growing here. the storefronts are boarded up and folks gathering, there's obviously a sense there may be some issues here. we moved closer down to the protest at the back of the stage. it is a little noisy, they call this -- this may be a version of german hip-hop. not my taste, i guess some folks
will like it. i mentioned the name of the protest, in case you didn't believe me earlier, welcome to hell, g-20, welcome to hell. that is the message these folks are hoping to bring to the world leaders including president trump who are here. what they have said they want to do is head further across the city that way to where the leaders are meeting and see if they can disrupt that meeting. there is a sizable police presence here, aimed at trying to prevent them from doing that. >> i saw them walking by when we were talking earlier. we'll check with you through the course of the day. president trump hours ago slamming former president barack obama, the u.s. intelligence community and the american media during his first ever press conference on foreign soil. >> barack obama, when he was president found out about this in terms if it were russia, found out about it in august. they said he choked.
i heard it was 17 agencies, that's a lot. do we even have that many intelligence agencies? it turned out to be three or four. it wasn't 17. with that being said, mistakes have been made. what cnn did was unfortunate for them. they have been fake news for a long time. >> that was excellent swiping everybody in one felg swoop. that brings me to my next guest, a columnist for the "washington post" and served as senior official on international trade in the clinton administration and penned the greatest threat facing the united stat.s. is it president. >> nice to be here. >> you say something in the article which is relevant to meeting taking place tomorrow, the first meeting between president trump and president pulten. he is a disciplined individual, spent many years at the highest levels of russia's intelligence gathering and head of russia. you write this, if a dedicated enemy of the united states an opportunist such as putin
determines to take advantage of trump's nacisse six and business interest or brewing scandals he will do just that. we don't know what the agenda is because most americans think donald trump has to go in and confront vladimir putin about the hacking of the 2016 election. after his comments this morning, not sure he's going to do that. >> it seems unlikely he's going to do it. it seems unlikely he's well prepared for the meeting. when he goes off script, it's a train wreck, whether he's attacking obama or attacking the press, demonstrating he doesn't know the size of the u.s. contin intelligence community. >> there are 16 intelligence agencies and directorate of national intelligence which makes 17. it's a fact. >> there's no dispute. and frankly, you would think any intern in the government that wants to deal with national security issues has gone to google and learned this fact. the president of the united states hasn't. that's laughable or it's sad but
when you're vladimir putin and you understand what's going on, it sends you a message. it says i'm dealing with a guy who is not competent to run his own government. doesn't know what to do. >> you also write that the president demonstrated himself to have zero impulse control and tendency to damage vital relationships with ill considered outbursts, this is relevant with respect to the north korea discussion because this is really complicated. we're not in a position, military expert after military expert including jamtz mattis has come out and said we're not in a good position to go to war with north korea, unstable government with allies all around it and u.s. troops just south of it. and yet sounds out provocative tweets. >> provocative tweets, petty tweets then says things like in the press conference which sounded almost like a comedy routine, kind of threats, maybe they are not so big threats, i don't know, i might do something, might not do
something. all that says is i don't know what i'm doing. i don't know what i'm going to look tough but maybe won't be tough. he almost literally sa that, this is the most dangerous situation in the world. there's no worst scenario in the koreas that involves fewer than hundreds of thousands of casualties because north korea is so close to seoul. >> you asked david pretraeus wht he thought of donald trump, ste going to be erratic? what did he tell you. >> i asked if he was fit for office and the response i got was shocking. i respect petraeus, a thoughtful guy. essentially he said it's immaterial. mattis and though guys are so capable they'll make up for the deficits that trump has. what trump has demonstrated time and time again, he doesn't listen to advice, wants it boiled down to tweet size. he says things and the team has to clean up for those things. i think this rationalization
that adults are going to go and solve the problem isn't demonstrated to be working very well. >> mattis and mcmaster may have had influence in the president's comment today was he did reiterate his commitment to article 5 which says if any members attack, all members are attacked which means the u.s. is willing to help out. >> we're grading him on the curve, right? every american president for the past 75 years said that's a fundamental tenat. he has taken six months to get there. when he reads from a teleprompter seems there's control over 4iz behavior. but in the room with putin, there isn't going to be a teleprompter, he's going to be going off the cuff. what we know, he's ill prepared and inexperienced and doesn't have the temperament for this kind of thing. that's what gets him into trouble and because he's the president of the united states, that's what's going to get us into trouble. >> david, thank you for joining us. >> nice to see you. >> former ceo of foreign policy and former senior official in the clinton administration. president trump meets with
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now, where president trump landed over an hour ago, his highly anticipated meeting with vladimir putin tomorrow. joining me from hamburg is richard engel. what are we expecting at this point between the two leaders when they meet face to face? >> well, we're expecting it to be a bilateral meeting, official meeting so that means some sort of photo-op. it is supposed to take place tomorrow. we don't have too many details about exactly who is going to be the room. evidently, the two principles, presid trump and president putin. obviously some of theirey advisers, perhaps some top staff. but it is supposed to happen, it is supposed to happen here, but for security reasons, for privacy reasons, and perhaps for political reasons we don't have a full readout yet. but i think as it gets closer we'll learn more. >> that's kind of important because when russians have been in the white house, for instance, american photographers were not in there, the pictures were released by russians.
the question becomes do we get a real readout? it will be the most anticipated meeting at a g-20. g-20s are up mially, economic meetings, they're generally not this kind of general interest. this will be the most anticipated meeting in a g-20 meeting ever. >> i wish i could tell you i knew. i wish i could tell you i knew what the white house's media strategy would be to handle a meeting with vladimir putin. but i don't think anyone really knows. are they going to suddenly allow reporters in? not allow reporters in? audio, no audio? i think this is the guessing game that reporters have been covering the trump administration covering this white house have been struggling with at home, and now struggle with it even more as they're dealing with a foreign capital that is in lockdown. i got in here a short while ago, i've been driving around, this place is practically a military zone. there are checkpoints all over the city, helicopters in the sky, there are armored vehicles,
you need a badge to go anywhere in town. so for the next couple of days, this city is going to be alive with convoys, with private meetings, with people coming in and out of cars and hotels, so will we find out much about this bilateral meeting between trump and putin? we will see. but i think we'll know when it happens tomorrow. >> richard, good to see you. in hamburg, germany. president trump was in warsaw this morning talking tough, actually, about north korea. >> we call on all nations to confront this global threat, and publicly demonstrate to north korea that there are consequences for their very, very bad behavior. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. but i have some pretty severe things that we're thinking about. >> that's where i like his secret isis plan. what severe things can he do?
joining me is victor cha, director of asian studies at georgetown university, korean chair at the center, served as the deputy head of the u.s. delegation for the six party talks with north korea during the george w. bush administration. good to see you. donald trump does this a lot. got elected in part on the promise he had some secret plan to get rid of isis. the secret plan he doesn't like to talk about, generally, amount to a hill of beans, but i had a conversation with ed markey, senator ed markey earlier. here's what he told me he thinks of the united states needs to do. listen to this and tell me what you think on the other side. >> the only alternative is direct negotiations between the united states and north korea. that is what the chinese have been requesting, the united states to engage in, for years. it ultimately is going to be the only route towards any potential
productive resolution of this conflict. it would have to be done in conjunction with tightening chinese sanctions on the north koreans. but that is the direction we should be heading in towards diplomacy, not towards an escalation, because that ultimately could result in a catastrophic war on the korean peninsula. >> victor, do you agree with ed markey's evaluation of this? >> well, i actually don't think senator markey's comments and the trump administration's positions are that far apart from each other. i think the purpose of the sanctions that trump is trying to get china to put on north korea is to try to set up a negotiation. you know, unlike the president i worked for president bush, president trump doesn't have an ideological opposition to sitting down with the north koreans, that's what he's tweeted thus far, he would have a hamburger with him or whatever. so, you know, i think that the idea here is that we want to try
to put enough pressure on the regime, so that they feel compelled to come back to the talks, to talk about a freeze to their missile testing. just asking them to sit down is not going to be the answer right now because the north koreans have demonstrated in a variety of different meetings, official meetings, they don't want a sit-down right now. we have to use pressure to get them to the sable. >> the newly elected south korean president takes a slightly different view than donald trump does about this. he feels that a negotiated settlement is substantially better than military escalation. so i guess the point ishat donald trumploats military latiesca, sebastian gorka floats red lines. but we're not in a position to draw red lines now with north korea. >> i think that's true. but at the same time, for tactical reasons, i think you need to say all options are on the table. if there isn't the threat of military force, north korea doesn't feel compelled to do anything. they feel compelled to keep
testing longer and longer range missiles that they think can reach the united states. president moon of south korea was here last week, where he stated pretty clearly in the joint statement and also an event here at csis, he was in favor of sanctions for the time being to try to get north korea back to the table, but once they're back at the table, the south korean government is ready to put incentives on the table to try to get to a freeze and try to get to denuclearization. >> what are the incentives that one can use with north korea? i go back to the iran deal, similar, but iran wasn't nearly as advanced in its nuclear capabilities, but we knew what iran wanted, wanted to be -- return to be part of the international financial community and increase trade and fix its economic problems. what does north korea want that can possibly be given to them to slow down their nuclear program? >> i think that's a great comparison because there are things that are different between the north korean and -- north korean case is harder because they have finished
nuclear weapons. the level of sanctioning against northea is not nearly as severe as it was against iran prior to the agreement that the obama administration reached. this is another reason why we need to continue to pursue sanctions. north korea wants the same things that they always wanted. they want more assistance, energy assistance, they want more food, they want recognition by the united states and by japan. but the one thing that is difficult is they also want to be recognized as a nuclear weapons state. the other four things i mentioned have been part of previous negotiations, and those can be done if they give up their weapons. but the main thing they want now is they want to be recognized as a nuclear weapons state, and nobody wants to do that. not the united states, china, russia or any of the g-20 countries. >> you agree, victor, that while people are talking war that's not a viable thing we should be considering at this point? >> i think it would be very difficult to imagine a military conflict on the peninsula. i mean, the north korean artillery is not far, within 60
seconds of 27,000 u.s. troops, 100,000 civilians, 100,000 more in japan, that are in direct threat. it is very difficult to imagine a military strike where the percentage success of the mission in terms of retarding the nuclear program and the missile program is very low, but the chance of all-out war is very high. >> good to talk to you, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> victor cha, a lot of things that make him one of the biggest experts on korea. i'm out of time. so thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. we're going to continue to watch all of the events in hamburg, germany, as the g-20 gets under way. president trump en route to his meeting with angela merkel. i'm ali velshi. stephanie ruhle is out today. i'm back at 3:00 p.m. here on msnbc. but now, time for my friend, andrea mitchell with "andrea mitchell reports". >> right now, cold shoulder? this hour donald trump on his way to meet with german
chancellor angela amerikgela me. the president's refusal again today with nbc's hallie jackson to accept the evidence about russia's interference with the u.s. elections. >> will you once and for all, yes or no, definitively say that russia interfered in the 2016 election? >> well, i think it was russia and i think it could have been other people and other countries. could have been a lot of people interfered. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. severe things. how will president trump back up his threats against north korea's missile breakthrough? >> i don't like to talk about what i have planned. but i have some pretty severe things that we're thinking about, that doesn't mean we're going to do them. i don't draw red lines. and world tour, after a rock star reception orchestrated by the government