tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC July 6, 2017 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
a lot going on in the world. eyes on the big g20 meeting in hamburg, germany, where there were huge protests there today. he's meeting there tomorrow with vladimir putin. richard engel is going to be joining us live from germany tonight ahead of his big richard engel special we're doing here tomorrow night. the head of the ethics office resigned today. he got as famous as a bureaucrat gets. he stood up to the trump administration. and to trump himself on ethics issues. the president's unprecedented financial conflicts of interest. he said he was not forced out of the office of government ethics. he basically said he said the
fixed rules are not strong enough to allow him to stand up to what this president and his family are doing. so he is leaving his job at the office of government ethics in order to try to strengthen those rules from the outside. very interesting resignation today. we've got more on that story ahead. there's a lot going on. a big show tonight. we're going to start with something different tonight. we've got a scoop to share with you tonight. this is that scoop. in-house on your staff we've been talking about this as an insideout story. not your typical news story, not your particular scoop. but i think it's important. it is one of the few times we have ever had a scoop on this show where i feel like i need to send this up like a flare for other news organizations in particular. that's part of what i'm intending to do here with this story tonight. okay. here it goes.
we have this thing, we have been doing it on the show for a while called www.sendittorachel.com. if you want to get in touch with us, or send us a document, you can do so via that website. we get tons of stuff that way. we get information about important local political fights, that otherwise aren't getting national coverage. we get a lot of information about bad behavior by elected officials. we officially get news about really good behavior by elected officials that has gone unnoticed. we get anonymous tips. and we get documents, too. we get a lot of documents. we've had a lot of firsthand records come across the transem through www.sendittorachel.com. so it's been a great resource for our reporting. i'll say it one more time,
www.sendittorachel.com. it is still up and running. a few weeks ago, we got a new document through that channel. and at first glance, it was just unbelievable red-hot. if by any chance this document is real, it is so sensitive, so classified, that i cannot show it to you. i cannot show it to almost anyone. because of its purported classification level. it's actually hard to circulate it at all or even to describe it to people. i don't say that to try to hype it, i say that to let you know that it's actually logistically difficult to validate something like this. because what it's classified at that level, or appears to be classified at that level, you can't run the document like that by people. the way you would for any other kind of document they might ship to us from some source. people who are in a position to recognize or authenticate this kind of document, people who have worked with things at this
level of classification, they typically will refuse to look at a document like this if there's any chance that it is real. that it is a real classified information that has been improperly disclosed. that's because the terms of their own security clearance mean effectively they can't use something like this without it creating legal obligations on them. so it's very hard to check this stuff out. classification-wise, it is logistically very difficult to deal with. very, very sensitive. but in terms of the political implications of this document, its content, politically this thing is so sensitive it takes all the air out of the room. and all of the nearby rooms as well. people talk about finding the smoking gun. what got sent to us was not just a smoking gun, it was a gun still firing proverbial bullets. so here's the deal. we believe now that the real story that we have stumbled upon
here is that somebody out there is shopping carefully forged documents, to try to discredit news agencies reporting on the russian attack on our election. and specifically on the possibility that the trump campaign coordinated with the russians in mounting that attack. let me show you what i mean. here's what we know. do you remember a month ago when a relatively new news organization called the intercept published this report, top-secret nsa report details russian hacking effort days before 2016 election. this was published monday, june 5th. the intercept has a bunch of very good reporters working there, a lot of aggressive national security reporters that earned their stripes. in terms of the russia story? the intercept has -- they really stood out for being basically aggressively skeptical on that story. skeptical that there was a russian attack on our election, skeptical of the possibility
that the trump campaign might have colluded in that russian attack. i mean, there is nothing wrong with a news organization having an editorial take on a particular story. i'm not criticizing them for their take on russia. but it's important to understand that the interseercept does have russia story, and their take on it is that they're dismissive of the story. that's why it was really surprising and really interesting it was the intercept of all places that published this big event in the russia story, the hacking into the presidential election, including a u.s. intelligence report which said that the attack went on for longer than had previously been disclosed. it was wider than previously disclosed. they got further in their attack than had previously been disclosed. russian military intelligence executed a cyber attack on at least one u.s. voting software
supplier, and sent spear phishing e-mails to elected officials just before the presidential election. roorn government hackers were part of a team with a cyber espionage mandate specifically directed at u.s. and foreign elections. they focused on parts of the election system connected to the voter registration process. russian hacking may have penetrated further into u.s. voting systems than was previously understood. russian hacking may have breached some elements of the u.s. voting system. all this explosive stuff is cited to, quote, a highly classified intelligence report obtained by the intercept. in addition to their write up of it, this is important, the intercept, they didn't just publish an article about that intelligence report, they actually published the top-secret intelligence report. they published the nsa report they said they obtained, five pages of it, detailing this american intelligence
understanding of how russian agents attempted to writing will their way into the u.s. election system further than we had never known before. it came with a flow chart of how the russians got in, and why they targeted the places they did. it's very detailed. the whole thing as i mentioned was labeled top-secret on every page. the intercept reported when they published this thing that u.s. intelligence officials wouldn't comment on the document. but they said agencies did ask them for certain redactions. which the intercept agreed to make. they made the redactions at the request of u.s. agencies. then they hit publish on that story. big deal, right? new detailed evidence into american intelligence gathering on russian attempts to get inside our election system of the this was a very big story based again, on a very classified document. huge story. but now, even just a month later, that intercept story is
remembered less, i think, for the content of the story, and more for what happened immediately after they published it. because immediately after they published it, we learned that there was an arrest. we got a first heads-up about that intercept story just before 4:00 p.m. on june 5th. an hour later, at 5:00 p.m. sharp june 5th, the justice department said they had already arrested the person who allegedly leaked that top-secret document to the intercept. this is a pending federal case now against that nsa contractor. it's not resolved at all. but from the criminal complaint the government filed here, the case is not at all subtle. apparently the nsa can tell how many people have ever accessed, have ever looked at an individual secret document like this. they can tell who they are by name. in the criminal complaint, the fbi agent named in the complaint lays out how the fbi
investigation into this leak proceeded. they have this list of like a half dozen people they know have accessed this document, they go down that list looking for someone who's accessed the document, who also appears to have been in touch with this news organization, with the intercept. by that process, they quickly narrow it down to one nsa contractor working in the state of georgia, named reality lee winner. she was the only one of the six who access -- who had both access to the document and been in touch with the intercept. then they go down a second line of approach. it says in the criminal complaint that there's a crease, like you get a crease from folding something, there's a crease on the document itself that was a clue to the fbi that whoever took this document off the nsa had printed it. had printed the page and folded it and carried it out of the nsa
office by hand. then there was another clue. this is where the story gets a little bit crazy. most color printers, maybe even all of them, i don't know, they apparently leave behind when they print -- right, when they print out a piece of paper from a computer, right? when they print, they leave behind a finger print on every sheet that they print out. you know how in old school detective stories they do the forensics of typewriters. there is a version of that for computer printers, too. and that may have come acalling when the intercept showed the nsa this document they had obtained through a source, because they wanted the nsa to validate it. to comment on whether or not this document they had received was real. in that document, which we have access to, because they published it online, when they published their story, in that document, along the plainly
visible text and flow chart and even the redactions and everything, alongside all of that, was also this barely visible fingerprint from the printer it was printed on. the fingerprint is basically a series of light, almost invisible yellow printed dots. unless you were looking for them, you would never notice them just by reading the document. but if you run the page through like an image software, do a little magic reversing, the colors, in this case a little brightening so you can see them on your tv, up pops if you're looking for it a readable specific grid of these little dots. and that grid of those little dots is basically a fingerprint. and it tells you which exact printer was used to print off that page. it tells you the model number, it tells you the serial number and it tells you exactly which time and date that printing happened. now, it may be that the fbi didn't have to use those little yellow printer dots to track down their suspect.
the fbi doesn't mention the printer dots in the charging document in this case. but once the intercept published this document online, for people who understand forensic tracking of documents and the dangers of leaking documents, those little yellow dots were a thing to worry about. they were there to be read by a trained observer on that document that the intercept published online. okay? so now let me show you how this worked for us. this is the nsa document published by the intercept. you see the little dots? you see the little dots in that specific pattern in relation to that piece of the text. it's uncovered on one of the pages. watch, i'll show you that same pattern of dots, except this time it's from a different document. okay? as you can see, it's the same pattern of dots. the top half of the pattern. what i'm showing you here, this is not the document published by
the intercept. this is from the document that somebody sent us through www.sendittorach el.com. the upper portion of that appeared on the supposed nsa document that somebody sent to us anonymously. again, you see it here in the intercept document, the dots by the word summary, those same dots, the top part of the pattern appear, magic, by the word "summary" in the document that we got. not all of the dots, just the ones that appear to have slipped through in a photocopy cut-an cut-and-paste job. using the nsa document as a dem plate. and again here. see that thin line there on the upper left-hand corner? you can see what i think is the crease where the fbi said the
intercept document was printed. the supposed top-secret document that got sent to us. now, it may be helpful to know, we got this purported nsa document the same week the intercept published theirs. and here's another thing i can show you in terms of -- check this out in terms of the timing. suspect in the intercept leak goes to jail on saturday. gets arrested on saturday, june 3rd. saturday, june 3rd, the fbi arrests this woman. she's been in jail since june 3rd. the intercept published their story two days later, june 5th. the forged document we got sent to us appears to have been created in that narrow window of time between those two events. after winner got arrested and before intercept published the document with the identifiable
printer dots that appear to have been lifted off the same document the intercept published. our document appears to be a cut-and-paste document. whoever did that work to create this forgery was cutting and pasting together a document, working from a document that was not yet publicly available. they would have started creating that file -- or they would have started that file before winner's arrest. and then sent it to us two days later. given what we know about the time it was sent to us and what we can see from the metadata, we believe this is the time line. is this a clue as to who sent us this document? we don't know. maybe the metadata has been faked or wrong in some way. i don't know. there are other things that are wrong in the document, too. that raised red flags for us. but they're subtle. there are little typos.
there are some weird spacing that just doesn't look right. it has a date on it in terms of when in the future it can be declassified. that doesn't really make much sense if it was produced when they said it was produced. the big red flag for us is that the document we were given, this is part of what seemed to make it red-hot, it names an american citizen, the document we were sent which we believe to be a forgery names a specific person in the trump campaign as working with the russians on their hacking attack on the election last year. and the specific name of the trump campaign person is irrelevant. i'm not sharing it now because we believe from how the nsa works from multiple conversations with current and former officials, we believe a u.s. citizen's name would never appear in a document like this. even if the typos and the weird spacing and the other odd stuff had snuck through for some reason, an american citizen's name would not have snuck through. not at this level of an ns ars
report. that our document contains an american name spelled out, that says to experienced people who have worked with this stuff that what we got is forged. it's fake. which is interesting if you work on this show. this is news because why is someone shopping a forged document of this kind to a news organization covering the trump-russia affair. last week three journalists resigned from their jobs at cnn. after that network retractd a story they had written about the trump-russia affair. cnn said the sourcing of that story in retrospect did not meet its editorial standards. also last week vice retracted two stories about the trump investigation. and they cited a problem with the sourcing of those stories. the thing knocking around in the back of your mind right now is
from 2004. legendary dan rather lost his career over a story for the evening news that delved into george w. bush's truncated service in the national guard. it was documents from a source that they checked out. it was later attacked and undermined. cbs was ripped to shreds over the process that went through and resulted in the documents put on the air as the basis of that story. still a decade later the origin of those documents is murky. undeniably cbs running that story was a disaster for two things. it was a disaster for everyone involved. and it was a disaster for a news story. that was in personal terms, that was the end of a trusted voice, dan rather, as a regular presence in the family living room. in terms of the news, that was a spike through the heart of the story of george w. bush's national guard service keeping him out of vietnam.
which was a true and interesting story. and which really might have been a serious ongoing political liability for candidate george w. bush. but nobody was ever willing to touch it again during that campaign, because of the way those documents purporting to prove out the worst aspects of that story, blew up like a pipe bomb at cbs news. and so, heads-up, everybody, this is what i mean by an insideout scoop. somebody for somebody for some reason appears to be shopping a fairly convincing fake nsa document that purports to directly implicate somebody from trump campaign in working with the russians on their attack on the election. it is a forgery. it is either a forgery or every other national security official we consulted about this story is wrong about it. i don't know if the trump campaign worked with russia or not. if they did knowingly work with
a foreign military intelligence service to attack our election to help trump to the presidency, that is clearly the biggest political scandal in modern american history by a mile. we don't know yet whether it happened or not. not yet. the special counsel is investigating. congressional committees are more or less investigating. and the american news media is investigating. whether or not the trump campaign did it, one way to stab in the heart aggressive american reporting on that subject is to lay traps for american journalists who are reporting on it. trick news organizations to report what appears to what happened. after the fact blow that reporting up. you then hurt the credibility of that news organization. you also cast a shadow over any similar reporting in the future. whether or not it's true, right? even if it's true. you plant a permanent question, a permanent asterisk, a
permanent, who knows, as to whether that, too, might be false, like that other story. whether that, too, might be based on fake evidence. so heads-up, everybody, part of the defense against this trump-russia story we can now report somebody apparently forging one classified one nsa report and shopping it to news organizations as if it's real. we don't know who's doing it, but we're working on it. hoeds-up in the media, everybody. we'll be right back. dear son, i know you worry i can't keep up with our weekly tee times. but i've been taking osteo bi flex ease. it's 80% smaller, but just as effective at supporting range of motion and shows improved joint comfort in seven days. which means you're in big trouble, son. you will bow to my exquisite short game. cower at my majestic drives. i will make you question everything, son. so don't worry about dad's joints. worry about your dignity. love, dad. 80% smaller, just as effective. osteo bi-flex ease.
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countries in the world, plus the european union, they meet every year. they almost always attract major protests. mostly anti-capitalism protests, but protests by anybody who has a beef with this small minority of countries that represent the lion's share of all the wealth and trade in the world. this year, today, the g20 is meeting and they're meeting in hamburg, germany. this year's protesters picked a cheery theme to greet the leaders of all the g20 countries. the theme this year, g20 welcome to hell. okay. this should be fun. officials say they expect upwards of 100,000 protesters to show up during the g20 overall. today it kicked off with about 10,000 to 15,000 protesters in the streets. within minutes of the start of their planned march today, the march was broken up by german riot police. look at this. police said that some protesters were breaking the law by wearing masks that covered their faces.
and so they broke the whole thing up. from there, things pretty quickly went pear shaped. police turned water cannons on them, and tear gas and smoke bombs against the protesters. the protesters threw rocks and bottles at police. they were setting fires in the streets by nightfall. we don't know how many protesters were arrested in hamburg today, nor how many were injured. we're told more than 75 police officers were injured today. three of whom had to go to the hospital, including one who had an eye injury when the officer had a firecracker blow up in his or her face. right now, as we speak, it's after 3:00 in the morning in hamburg. things have died down. after the big and somewhat violent confrontations today, there were a lot of peaceful protesters who stuck around and made themselves known thereafter. but as of right now, we're told
that heading into tomorrow, despite the very big protests today, things are still on schedule for the official summit which does start tomorrow. in terms of american politics, that means everybody's bracing for the first official meeting between president trump and the russian president vladimir putin. tomorrow is trump's first meeting as president with putin. but it is not his first meeting as president with a russian official. i think part of what's giving so many americans so much focus on this meeting tomorrow is what happened the last time trump had a meeting with russians since he's been president. you'll remember that was the one inside the oval office where trump inexplicably disclosed to the russian top-secret intelligence that should not be revealed to any other country, especially the russians. he told them overtly, that yes, he fired the fbi director because of the fbi investigation. and that firing the fbi director
gave him hope that he would be relieved of that pressure from that investigation. that's what happened the last time this president met with russian officials. also, remember, he got played, too. remember for that meeting the white house refused to let any american media in to the oval office to cover that meeting. but trump did let the russians persuade him to allow the russians to bring in their own official russian photographer, with his own equipment, into the oval office. after which they admitted they had no idea that photographer also worked for a russian news agency and would publish all of the photos. a white house official told the "washington post" thereafter, quote, we were not informed by the russians that their official photographer was dual headed and releasing the photographs on the state news agency. jim acosta got a white house official to speak much more bluntly on the subject. this was his tweet.
quote, white house furious over russian government photos of trump meetings with lavrov kislyak. they tricked us, they said of the russians. they tricked us. they lie. awesome the last time the president met with the russians. now he's going to meet with vladimir putin tomorrow. the only other people in the room besides trump and putin and two translators at that meeting will be rex tillerson, who was personally awarded the order of friendship by vladimir putin. the only other person besides him will be sergey lavrov, last seen receiving top-secret intelligence from the oval office, and a russian photographer and a bag full of electronic equipment. it will be just the four of them. making sure american interests are protected. in the face of russia's
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richard engel is nbc's chief foreign correspondent, and forgive me for saying so, but he is better at being a foreign correspondent than anybody else in this business in this country. he is the best of his generation. you can drop richard engel anywhere in the world and he will intrepidly hunt out the
most newsworthy thing that is happening there. and when the most important news in the world is happening in the kind of place you are not supposed to drop a foreign correspondent, he's the kind of guy who is known to get himself there anyway in order to get the story. as a young man who did not speak arabic, richard moved to cairo alone. figured he would pick up the language while he was there. he did. when the iraq war started, he up and brought himself to baghdad on his own steam. started covering it alone. as a stringer. when i started at msnbc, he started tutoring me on the subtlies of the middle east and central asia. mostly in bars. with hand-drawn maps that he would make for me on cocktail napkins i'm not ashamed to admit. when it was time for me to do a little reporting in iraq and afghanistan, it was richard who hooked me up with local knowledge, access to sources, language. on this show, richard has been
our interlocuteur of things international, that has been fascinating always. it is also sometimes been terrifying, like him walking us through the five harrowing days he spent in captivity in syria after he and his group got kidnapped. so because of all that, i am psyched to tell you richard engel has a new special that he's doing here, right here, this network, this hour, tomorrow night. it's the first of a new series called richard engel on assignment. it premieres tomorrow night here. and tonight, richard is at the site of the g20 in hamburg, germany, where donald trump and vladimir putin are meeting in just a few hours. richard joins us live now. richard engel, i am so happy we have finally got this new series launched. congratulations, my friend. >> reporter: we've been talking about this for a long time. i'm excited about it. thank you, rachel. it will be interesting. we'll start with this one on russia, on this meeting between trump and putin. and then we have some others in
the works. >> tell me more about what is going to be in this special tomorrow. obviously the trump-putin meeting is in just a few hours in the g20 meeting in hamburg where you are. what are you looking at in terms of the first in the series tomorrow night? >> reporter: so, the way this show, this series is going to work is it will look at a specific subject. in this case it's russia and the u.s. pegged to this meeting, this summit between putin and trump. and it tries to look at the issues around it. how does it work? we've heard so much about russia. we've heard so much about the u.s. elections. you've covered it so much in your show. we went to russia. we went to talk to people who are directly involved in this. we went to several different countries in fact. we were in ukraine. we crisscrossed the globe to try to find out more. what we'll be looking at in this special is how do you understand russia? what is russia after? what is russia's game?
what does vladimir putin hope to do with -- what is he up to? and that's what this special really tries to look into. the why of the story. and then we're working on another one. i was just in baghdad the other day. we'll be heading back there soon, so we'll be doing a combination of not just russia, but some front line reporting, and jumping from issue to issue, story to story. i think your audience has clearly shown that they want to hear more about complex issues around the world. >> you have also sparked sort of an insane, very difficult for me fight among all of my producers who all want to work with you on these things. so thank you for making -- you have made my life much more exciting, but also, on a day-to-day basis a little more difficult, like you always do. >> reporter: well, i'm glad that your show didn't just blow up,
that you didn't step on that land mine sent to your inbox. >> richard, something else happened today. do you mind sticking around for one more minute before we let you go? >> reporter: absolutely. >> we'll be right back with richard engel. stay with us. thanks for the ride around norfolk! and i just wanted to say, geico is proud to have served the military for over 75 years! roger that. captain's waiting to give you a tour
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your favorite news network, would now be hand selected and installed in office by donald trump's treasury secretary. it would be questions on election night. trump has won the election. treasury secretary steve mnuchin, who will you put in charge of nbc news now. cnn, and "the new york times." that is not the way it works here, prince jesus and the founding fathers. but in poland, that has recently become not a thought experiment. last night we started talking about the radical change in government that preceded this visit by president trump today to poland. very conservative right-wing nationalist party came to power in poland less than two years ago. they did all sorts of things to consolidate in themselves all forms of political power. they removed the independent leadership of the secret services. they took over the supreme court. they put their new finance minister personally in charge. of hiring and firing at media outlets in poland.
and they didn't make up some high-minded reason for that change. the president said he signed that law about who's running media companies because all those darn journalists were biased against him so they had to go. thereafter they kept going. they tried out a new rule to limit the number of journalists allowed into the parliament. those who were allowed in to cover the parliament would have to stay in a special room, and no go out in the halls where they might run into an actual lawmaker they could talk to. oh, also, nobody would be allowed to film or take pictures anymore. it sparked such a backlash including days of street protests, and blockade of the parliamentary hall that the ruling party eventually scrapped that plan. poland's president said the plan had only been intended to, quote, help journalists organize their work better. that's nice. you know, it's one thing, you know, whether or not you care about poland. but today, after in recent weeks
senate republicans here briefly tried to institute a plan where american journalists would no longer be allowed to interview anybody in the halls of the u.s. senate, after a few weeks press briefings stopped almost all together at the state department and journalists were restricted from using their cameras at white house press briefings. today our new president went to poland, where they have had radical curtailment of the press in recent years, standing behind the polish president, our american president joined him in attacking the press. >> they have been fake news for a long time. they've been covering me in a very -- very dishonest way. do you have that also, by the way, mr. president? >> see the face the polish president made? in polish that face means, we did have that, mr. president, but then we stopped all the journalists, you should try it.
we used to have that problem. in any year before this year, poland's media trackdown is the kind of thing you would expect a visiting american president in poland to raise a big stink about. not to make common cause with. still with us is nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel. thank you for sticking around. i wanted to ask you about this part of the presidential visit to poland. do you think that it matters materially when an american president says stuff like that in a venue like that? does it have an impact or is it just noise? >> reporter: no, i think it has an enormous impact. if you remember when president trump first got elected, i'm sure you do, the international reactions around the world, the first most effusive reactions to come in were from countries like poland, with the far right government there, the far right government in hungary, far right
leaders like marin lepen, in the uk. they thought they had a new member of the club. they thought, ah, the u.s. now has someone just like us, sympathetic to our cause. whereas the sort of let's call them other european countries were somewhat diplomatic. but in private, in private conversations i had with them, their hair was on fire. so it does matter when you have the u.s. president come and share the stage with the government, with a country who's tearing apart press freedom and sort of jokes about, you know, how is the press going in your country? i think it sends an absolutely loud and clear message of encouragement that this kind of behavior is not only tolerable, that it's something that the united states and the u.s. president encourages. >> richard, looking ahead to the g20, and to obviously everybody's very much focused on that bilateral meeting between
trump and putin which is going to happen in just a few hours, what do you think we should be looking for in terms of the way trump is received in that state tomorrow, in that important bilateral meeting, but at this summit, in terms of america's role in the world in what are you going to be watching for? >> reporter: i'm going to watch the statements that come out of the meeting between putin and trump. you brought up a tiny example, i think a really revealing one. lavrov, the russian foreign minister, was in the oval office. and then suddenly the russians released a photograph which the white house didn't really want to release. and i would be curious to know if tomorrow there will be dual releases, the u.s. will release a summary of what happened during the meeting and the russians will as well. i want to see who goes further. and if the russians go further, and further, and start laying out all the things that they supposedly agreed upon, will the
u.s. push back? will president trump say, well, we didn't really do that, or will that become policy? will he get played? that's one of the things i want to see. there could be some very big statements there. and if this is not the policy that trump agrees to, he's going to have to go out and say no, putin lied. we will see. >> richard engel, nbc's chief attorn correspondent. we couldn't be more psyched about it, 9:00 eastern. richard, thank you for being here tonight. >> reporter: until tomorrow. >> we'll be right back. mom, i have to tell you something. dad, one second i was driving and then the next... they just didn't stop and then... i'm really sorry. i wrecked the subaru. i wrecked it. you're ok.
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we reported last week on the president's new commission on election integrity. it's been making a lot of news over the past few days because of the person in charge of it, chris kobach, and his decision to send a letter to election officials in all 50 states, asking them to give up personal information for every single voter registered to vote in all of those states. for every voter in every state he wants full names, address, social security number, voting history, back to 2006. pretty much everything short of what you ate for breakfast every day you ever voted and whether or not you liked it. should all of those pieces of information all be kol lated in a convenient place in one convenient place in the country?
really? there's increasing upset. it was an open question what the white house intended to do with all this data. where they plan to keep all of this super personal information about every single voter in america. today we got our answer. "washington post" reports that according to chris kobach all that voter information will be stored on white house computers. under the direction of a member of the vice president's staff. that's fine then. this past year, we now know in an attack that continued right up until days before the election, russian hackers tried to access voter data from individual states. they successfully broken into multiple states' voter systems. it's always been the silver lining here, the thing that
makes stealing voter information and stealing elections so hard to do in this country is every state has its own system, a database where they store all their own information in different ways. it's been a safeguard thus far. and the feeling that that safeguard might be endangered is what's been rumbling under this news that the white house wants to put all that information about every single voter in all 50 states all in one place, on a white house server. what could possibly go wrong. depending on how you count it, between 14 and 45 states have already said they will not turn over some or all of that data to chris kobach's office and mike pence's laptop. it's been an amazing, even entertaining scene to watch the responses from various states trying to sound more resistant and more upstanding and refusing to hand over their state's information. something else happened the day
that kris kobach sent that information. that is more important than your social number ending up in mike pence's office. that other thing that happened, that same day, that's next. steve was born to move. over the course of 9 days he walks 26.2 miles. that's a marathon. because he chooses to walk whenever he can. and he does it with support from dr. scholl's. only dr. scholl's has massaging gel insoles
the resulting list was full of mistakes. the state ended up wrongly purging people off the rolls who should have been allowed to vote. they purged african-american voters. because this was florida in 2000, because jeb's brother ended up winning by just over 500 votes, the decision to kick those thousands of people off the rolls wrongfully very well could have swayed not just the results in florida, but arguably the presidency. that's where the white house's new pop-up election commission comes in. the same day this past week that a letter went out from the white house's in you commission to all 50 states asking for voter information from everybody who has voted in every state, this letter also went out from the justice department. they got this from the justice department informing them that justice is reviewing maintenance procedures in each state to make sure states are in compliance with the law that decides who should be kicked off the voter rolls. justice department tells the states to explain how they're
going to kick people off the rolls in every state in the country. we talked to officials in rhode island and california who told us that the justice department thought there was a total surprise out of nowhere. people who the department of justice pushing for that. again, it's unprecedented, and we don't know how this is going to work out. watch this space. that does it for us tonight. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. i watched the beginning of your show tonight after that cliff-hanger that you left last night. there's so much to talk about in it, but the basic lesson seems to be that the people who are telling us that it's all fake