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about it. >> tonight the president's performance on foreign soil and what it all means for his meeting with vladimir putin. plus -- >> this bill was designed to and investigating the unending cycle of gun violence. >> around here, you ain't nobody until you kill somebody. >> "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from chicago. i'm chris hayes and we are 14 hours away from president trump's high stakes meeting with russian president vladimir putin at the g-20 summit. tonight, nbc news has learned in a will have one official by his side. that will be secretary of state rex tillerson getting the russian order of friendship from putin in 2013 when tillerson was the ceo.
will he was standing next to the polish leader, a man who is restricted press freedoms in his own country. president trump blasted the u.s. media, refused to back the u.s. television could not xloogs russia enter veered in the election that made him president. >> will you or won't you say that russia interfered? >> i think it was russia and it could have been other people and other countries. it could have been a lot of people interfered. i said it very simply. i think it could have been russia but i think it could have been other countries. i think it's been happening for a long time. many, many years. i think it was russia but i think it was probably other people and or countries and i see nothing wrong that statement. nobody really knows.
then he complained president obama did not pun ish russia for hacking the election. >> the things when he found bout this, in terms of if writ russia, found out about it in august. now the election was in november. that's a lot of time. did he nothing about it. >> pressed by our own hallie jackson why he won't different ini have the, different intyly say, that u.s. agencies have been wrong before. >> i remember when i was sitting back listening about iraq. weapons of mass destruction. everybody was 100% sure that iraq had weapons of mass destruction. that led to one big mess.
they were wrong and it led to a mess. >> before those remarks, president trump spoke to an enthusiastic crowd in warsaw which included many people. after leaving poland the president touched down in hamburg, germany where the scene was indicate on theic and violence. clashing with police who wielded smoke bombs and water cannons to try to stop the crowds. the president met with lank merkel. they discussed ukraine, and the middle east of the g-20 tomorrow. next is a putin meeting. democrats suggested that if he does not raise the issue tomorrow, it would be a dereliction of duty adding that he must make clear that russian interference in our democracy
will be tolerated. floods a pair of translators, there will be just four people present for tomorrow's meeting. president trump, secretary of state tillerson, vladimir putin and sergei lavrov. earlier today, tweeting a picture of obama participated in along with two other officials. i asked how that meeting came together. >> it is called plus three. there's a big negotiation over how many people are this ogt. bill burns was there. because secretary clinton had just broken her arm before then. she didn't attend. and then me. that was on our side. >> why was that such a subject
of intention negotiations and who could be in the room. >> putin always likes the meetings to be small. as small as possible. he thinks that gives him time other. heads of state have different styles. china likes small meetings. had putin likes the keep it small. when there is just one person besides the president, you can figure out who that leak might be from. >> that's a real question here. we got these reports in the infamous meeting with kislyak and lavrov where there were other staffers. we did get a sense, and what we, what goes on behind closed doors
we think. what kind of things might he say when there is no one there keeping him focus told other. >> i think you want mcmaster. there he is the national security adviser, the main guy at the white house to give you advice about these kinds of meetings. and i also think he should have his senior director for europe and russia. fiona hill is the one person on the staff who knows russia, knows the russian language. now there is another important part. who writes the memorandum? i'm the guy taking never. where my guess is secretary
tillerson doesn't write them. and therefore it will be very could not strained. >> you're saying this meeting is a black box. that it is dealing, whatever happens in that meeting stays entirely within that meeting. >> the president can read it it. by having it small, that's right. the things that are and can. we didn't talk about the violation of sornlt of the united states in 2016. this makes it easier to control
that story after the meeting is over. >> what is the number one thing? someone who has been throwing these meetings. i think it was three-hour meeting. a lot of issues on the table start with being negotiated. what is the number one thing that you are looking for coming out of this meeting? >> for president trump, i think he has to demonstrate that he's a tough negotiator, focused on american interests. he doesn't need a good meeting. he doesn't need anything chummy. happy talk. i could talk about bigger objectives. that would be optimistic given the short amount of time. that as he tough negotiator, he knows what he did in 2016. that would be a great achievement. >> joining me now, the top democrat in the house intelligence committee,
investigating the election. congressman, you have some strong words that the president's response, yes or no. why were you so troubled in. >> it is another indication the president isn't ready, for the president to propagate this idea that we really don't know does a tremendous disservice to the country. imagine vladimir putin going into this meeting with the president. putin ordered this intervention are. he knows full well what the russians did. and he has a u.s. president unwilling to confront him. even under willing to acknowledge whether that was the case. and more than that.
is willing to disparage our own intelligence agencies. imagine putin questioning whether the kgb. this it is putting the president's idea of what is in his personal best interests first. and that greatly worries me. i think it is a green light for putin to do more of what he did. to continue doing it in other parts of the world. >> the president floated a bunch of theories. a 400-pound guy. china, lots of people. i want to be clear. is there any evidence that anything else got done? >> no. there isn't. you go ask no, one has any question about that. there israel no question about that. which makes it all the more remarkable. now the president, i'm sure is
doing this. he feels it undermines the legitimacy of his election. that he can't acknowledge what the russians did is the most anyone could do to delegitimize himself. i think in other circumstances, a different president would have the presence and the character to say the russians did this. we won't put up had with this. i may be the beneficiary but i didn't invite it. the problem is that he is going to show if he doesn't confront putin, that he doesn't have the strength to do it. that he is a weak president. and that the russian president can continue to walk over him when it comes to interference in democratic affairs. >> is there something that could happen that you would say, well done, mr. president. >> i have to say i'm kerneled for the reasons that he said.
if the president even left the meeting and said yes, i raised the question of hacking. i said that this needs to come to an end and get out of ukraine. to confront it publicly, i would say, well done, mr. president. i have low expectations that will be the case. >> all right. thanks for being with me tonight. >> next, the president's bleak speech to a crowd in poland. the fight for western values. what his remarks say about the trump administration after this two-minute break. the future of sleep is here with the new sleep
our time is whether the west has the will to survive. do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost? do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders? do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would desert and destroy it? the west will never, ever be broken. our values will prevail. our civilization will triumph. >> today before a friendly crowd, the president delivered a speech that involved by the clash of world views. >> we're starting now in the 21st century the crisis of our state and capital i.
we're at the very beginning stages of a bloody and brutal conflict. we will literally eradicate everything that we've been bequeathed over the last 2,000, 2500 years. >> it would include poland's ruling law and justice party. tunneled party's control, there's restricted press freedom, limited independence of the judiciary and closed its borders of the refugees. to make sure trump would receive the responsibility. they bused in people from all over the country. someone even thought to bring a confederate flag. after serving four decades including as ambassador to poland. some have defended this speech. >> i'll defend it in a limited
way. as a defense by the president of the west. of a united west. rooted in values, including the president said, and froem of expression, recommend speech. the president affirmed for the firm the, nato's articles, and he called out the destabilizing actions in ukraine. so those we important elements and good to hear from the president. >> it sounds like you have a but.
>> i might have expressed the definition of the west somewhat differently. and i think the clash of civilization stuff suggests that somehow the west is limited to europeans and americans. i prefer the term free world. it includes nonwestern countries that are also democratic like japan and south korea. what you think about the president's speech depends on what you expected. i was pleased by it. >> that's interesting. they are particularly troublesome in huckary where there's been some really had
worried erosion of democratic solutions and norms. i to not visit the memorials, the jewish ghetto which was quite controversial. whether it is the party. >> there is that aspect to it. clearly this is a government which is right wing. and therefore in some kind of harmony with the trump administration. on the other hand they are expolice it. i asked my liberal friends what they thought and liked to. he. liked that it showed respect to history.
wasn't just the right. it was also the polish liberals. >> what are your thoughts about what will happen tomorrow? there is, among uneast easiest. when what are you looking for tomorrow? >> sure. if president trump's path to recognizing and embrarsing u.s. leadership of the free world goes through poland. a better listing of effort is values than no values at all.
i think tomorrow the president will be pressed very hard by european and other allies at the g-20 about issues like the environment. and global warming. so i think the trump people at it as a sim that a athleticic trip. at least they were not confrontational toward europe. i count this as progress. >> thank you for joining me. i appreciate it. ahead, is the protest pressure on republicans order their health bill starting to work the fate of the repeal effort.
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senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is still hoping the jam his health care bill through. but today was not a good day for his plan. the problem came from the unlike state of kansas where jerry moran met in town hall and sounded a lot like the man looking ort exits. >> i believe in the legislative process that allows public debate,. figure out where there are 60 votes to pass something that is so important to so many americans. >> 60 votes. the vote was cancelled and remarkably, he was advocating it.
senator moran isn't the only one with doubts. a state being ravaged by opioids. today she said she still has kernels. i'm still very concerned. i still have serious questions. >> if the majority leader mcconnell says that republicans might be i believe. >> where we end up if with rid. >> first let me start with what
mcconnell said today about this idea we may not get there. a lot of people feel like what happened in the house was that the republicans sort of played possum a little bit and the scrutiny went away. and then they had a deal and they passed it. do you take the trouble that he seems to be having at face value or do you think something like that is happening again? >> what i took from his words today, that there is a small opening in terms of our ability to be able to work together after this bill is defeated. when you have a measure in front of the senate that would flult 22 million americans losing their health care, the cutting and capping of medicaid and conditions with pre-existing
conditions, the first thing is to make sure the bill is defeating it. and it seems he'll have trouble it. i see him open a door. wedge there's the lots to do to bring down crises to help provide more care to more people for less money. we need to work together to do it. >> i wonder what the definition is. what would be the mark to you that this version of the senate health care bill, the bcra, many mitch mcconnell drafted version, was actually defeated. >> well.
>> i'm not sure what we name it is important. it is an toefrd scrap health care, rip away health care from 22 million americans and move toward an effort to work together across the party aisle. to fix the affordable care act and expand access beyond what it is already. i love to hear the clips my republican colleagues are hearing. particularly today. i just came from dodgeville, wisconsin. a rural community 59 years old. she's worked hard all her life,
usually if jobs no health conditions. she has conditions that run in her family and she is terrified that she will use believe coverage. >> he says it doesn't go far enough. it has things like some protections for folks with pre-existing conditions. how is it this same state can produce two individuals who see this so differently? we have to defeat this. we have to move on from this partisan nonsense of 20 to repeal the affordable care act and trying to work together to make sure americans have access to affordable coverage. if it doesn't go far enough or i
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coming to you live from chicago. a city that has just gone through a weekend of violence. 15 people were killed of headlines about violence in this amazing wonderful american city tend to elicit presidential tweets about carnage and things being out of control and sending in the feds and a promise from the attorney general to stop the lawlessness. the white house deputy press secretary offered up this explanation for the violence. >> i think that the problem there is pretty clear that it is a crime problem. i think crime is probably driven more by morality than anything else. >> morality. well, the people who are actually living through trauma in chicago have a pretty different view. msnbc national pulitzer prize winner got the story.
we came to chicago after the president tweeted about the carnage in this city. we held a town hall with people who live here to ask about what's going on. we knew going in, we would barely scratch the surface. we returned to chicago west met families torn apart by the near constant gun violence in certain
neighborhoods in the city. found entire neighborhoods living in trauma. tonight we went back to sxhig found out why there are so many shootings. we first have to understand how there are so many shootings. >> you can ask into any one of these stores and you can buy a gun anywhere. any one of these little corner stores." >> everybody knows where to get them. everybody knows. police know where they're at. no one knows for sure how many guns are on the streets of chicago. police can only say how many they've taken off the streets. 8,000 in 2016. but shootings were still up that year. way up. more than 4,000 people shot. nearly 700 dead. someone is shot in this city almost every other hour.
>> was there ever a moment where you fear for your own life? >> he grew up in inglewood on the jameel grow up in engelwood, a community with unemployment rate. at least 15 people have been killed so far this year. >> when is the first time you picked up a gun? >> probably like 10. trying to be like everybody else. people with the nice stuff that i see with a gun. and i saw why they needed the gun. so i felt i needed one. >> and a gun is an easy way to make yourself popular? >> well, i'm not. that's why everybody look up to the person with the gun. >> the person who can do -- that's a form of power. >> around here you ain't nobody until you kill somebody. >> do you get the sense that
growing up in this community that you were pulled into the street, called into the street? >> it was like if i do it, if i go hard in the street, it would be less likely for my brother to do it. >> auburn gresham, 27 people were killed last year, at least 14 people this year. joe washington grew up on these streets. survived being shot five times. he's now trying to stop kids from turning to violence. >> when we came along it wasn't like, you know, shooting from across the street. it was, you know, you get your man. you know, or whatever, you know. that's how i came along. >> now it's a little bit more -- >> man, you know, they're shooting from way over there and they're hitting innocent people, man. it's crazy. >> with thousands of guns on the
streets, individual disputes turn deadly fast, leaving entire neighborhoods in chicago trapped in a bloody cycle of retaliation. one of these disputes started two years ago in august, a gang member was found shot in his car. retribution came in october, a rifle gang member shot in a drive by, his mother was left badly injured. in retaliation for that, a 19-year-old girl was killed in the cross fire and then taye shaun lee. >> this is a new low for the city. >> he was 9 years old. got caught up with his daddy's activities, you know, in the streets. and you know, that was a new kind of killing to me, you know, as far as somebody killing a kid like that. >> lee was deliberately targeted.
lured into an alleyway and executed. in retribution, his father allegedly shot three people.we stream of six shootings. how many other streams of beef do you have? >> we have, right now i can count that we do have like four that's going on. four that we're keeping or pulse on. four situations that's really hot that can blow up any minute. >> even if the guns are here, someone has to pull the trigger. and your job is to get them not to pick the gun up. >> audrey fill phillips tries to stop the violence in the streets. >> in this neighborhood of engelwood and spots across the city, there's great need. these communities have been depleted for a long time. some would say starved. what do the communities need in.
>> what the community is lacking is hope. you talk about trying to instill hope into individuals who are living in a community or in a situation where it's hopeless. where the men in our community are unemployed. the women in our community are underemployed. we're experiencing opportunities where there are flourishing in other parts of our city which is a great city. but my only thing is this. why can't it be a great city across the whole city. the violence in my humble opinion is all connected to the opportunity. but we don't have as much violence in the affluent communities. why? because they have resources that we don't have. every individual community should have one place where all of the kids could feel safe. >> do these communities have those places now? >> there are some places. but we have to understand that there are gang lines. i'm just being honest. there are gang lines that some groups cannot go over. that's an unfortunate reality.
>> a whole bunch of kids are not going to have the opportunity to go over there because it's dangerous. >> it's dangerous. unfortunately we have that in our society. >> do you ever get tired or weary of the day-to-day gun violence, the bloodshed. do you ever feel like no matter what you do, it's not enough? >> you know, on the maps in our office we have pointers where we can show you where the individuals got shot. but what we can't show you is the changing of someone's mind to go to school. every now and then we get that one youth that's going to turn his life around. that's what keeps us going. >> what's going to happen to communities like this if we don't get it in order. >> we know it's going to be an ever lasting loop of chaos. it's up to us, as a community, as a collective to show them, mold their minds to what's the next best thing.
i think if people had more stuff to lose, they would be be quick to retaliate. yeah, somebody did something to my people but i'm going to lose my job, my house, i'm going to lose my girlfriend, i'm going to lose my life if i retaliate. >> do we think we can get out of it yes. not just get ourself out of it but also giving back. >> like we're all trying to get each other to rise above where we come from instead of being a product of our environment. we might get somewhere. >> joining me you. msnbc national reporter tremaine lee. a phenomenal piece. thank you for doing it. one thing i want to focus is on is the chains of causation. that's such an important part of the puzzle, these are these repercussions. we see this throughout history in a million different environments when the law is not providing justice, that people
take the law in their own hands, the hatfields and mccoys. how do you interrupt that. >> i've heard it time and time again where they said i'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. when people are getting killed, people feel the sense that they need to protect themselves. what happens when your brother, sister, someone in your family were killed, the police aren't there, you go defend yourself. we tend to judge people without respect to their circumstances. they're out there in the community every single day as outreach workers trying to empower people in their community about their rights. they have changed from years' past. they would be the first to tell you might not recognize them from back then to today. when we don't recognize that how can we help them empower themselves to help their communities. that's missed all of this. the chain of causation, the flow
of illegal guns, the lack of true criminal justice. police aren't getting held accountable for shooting people in the communitie and the cycle continues on and on. >> the accountability question, i still remember the moment when you and i were in the town hall and someone asked what the clearance rate was for the cpd on homicides and everyone in the audience yelled out what the clens rate is. it's around 40% or 45%. quite low. below the national average. people are literally getting away with murder and under the conditions of which people are getting away with murder, people feel no protection from the state for their friends and loved one. >> there's a sense of no protection but there's also the sense of who cares. we've been wrestling with the idea of the black life. do black lives actually matter. and in many communities they seem not to matter. last year it was closerer from
the police standpoint 26% to 29%. that means between 70% and 80% of the killers are walking free. that's troubling not just because you have people who are active shooters and killers walking around free but the sense that the police aren't there to save me, no one is there to save me. >> do you see changes in the way things are happening at the ground level. it's really woworrisome. is there a sense that there's a turning point here? >> there isn't. to many people you talk to, there's a sense of resignation, this normalcy that this is the way it is. as we mentioned in our last piece about trauma and the impact of gun violence, it replicates itself. in the communities people are there wanting change, wanting help, think know there are illegal guns, they know the police aren't stopping the shootings, they all know where to get the guns. there's a sense that no one cares, it's business and usual, even though in the community it's not as if everyone is a criminal.
even though so many of us with criminalized the communities. they want a way out, they want peace and safety. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank. >> thank you. >> that is all in this evening. tonight tear gas and riot police ahead of meeting with world leaders german police try to take back the streets of hamburg. plus blaming obama. and foreign soil the current u.s. president blames the last one over russia's role in the election, while questioning how much russia is even to blame. and raising the stakes. how north korea has adds one more big layer to the trump putin summit. "the 11th hour" begins now. the fundamental question of our time is whether the west has the willing to survive. the line may sound like churchill or fdrp but it was the question the president posed on is