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post-ing updates there about mynyly new msnbc shows which aires 6:00 p.m. eastern. "the 11th hour" is next. >> face to face president trump goes there with vladimir putin. over russia's meddling in the u.s. election. but tonight two kpeerting versions what happened next. also what's it it's like to go one-on-one with the former spy master. a former ambassador to russia gives putin the win. and it was the most closely watched meeting of his presidency. but this morning donald trump was focused on someone else. hillary clinton's campaign chairman john podesta. tonight podesta responds. "the 11th hour" begins now np. good evening ink from our nbc news headquarters in new york. in for brian williams opinion day 169 of the trump administration saw the president
trump who spent most of the 169 days of his presidency under the specter of the russian role in 2016 election sitting down with vladimir putin. the meeting was scheduled 30 minutes and lasted more than two hours. in front of the cameras president trump sounded upbeat. >> we look forward to a lot of very positive things happening for russia, for the united states. and for everybody concerned. and it's an honor to be with you. thank you. thank you. >> for days the headlines were all about the fact that the meeting was going to happen. now that it's over the headlines are all about the conflicting accounts of what was said in the meeting. rex tillerson, the only u.s. cabinet official in the meeting said that president trump pushed putin on russia's election hacks. while sergei lavrov putin's frnlts told reporters a different story. >> the president opened the meeting with president putin by raising concerns of the american
people regarding russian interference in the 2016 election. they had a very row bus and lengthy exchange on the subject. the president pressed president putin on more than one occasion regarding russian involvement. president putin denied such involvement. as i think he has in the past. i think what the two presidents -- i think rightly focused on is how do we move forward? how do we move forward from here? because it's not clear to me that we will ever come to some agreed upon resolution of that question between the two nations. >> and president trump has said that he has heard clear declarations from mr. putin that russian leadership and russian government has not interfered in the elections and he accepts these -- the things that put -- mr. putin has said. president trump said that in the u.s. there is still some circles
who are talking about russian alleged intrusion and russian alleged attempt to influence the u.s. elections. so president trump and president putin has discussed these issues. and all these issues will become matters for our cooperation and a special bilateral group will be created towards that. >> meanwhile, outside the official meetings in the streets of hamburg germany the protests raged for a second day in a row. and well into the night. and for a second day in a row our kir simeons was in the think of it. >> the police really wanted to move really wanted to move these guys because an actual convoy a g20 convoy was trying to get through the streets. the protestors built a barricade and refused to move. you saw we thought it was perhaps. whoa. okay. the protestors just walking into
the line of those police water cannon and throwing a barrage of bottles and stones at the police line. they gathered here. as you can see now -- i just got something thrown at me. they have now moved in the german police finally after many hours and are trying to break up this -- this protest that frankly has turned in in area into -- at times into a riot. >> let's bring in tonight's panel. president obama tom russia pert and former u.s. ambassador to russia who is doing triple time here at nbc today. mike mcfall former moscow bureau chief for the "washington post" peter baker and former senior sociability for the kwounl for the director of national intelligence now ajungt law professor at georgetown kari
cord roe. kari there were six people in the meepgt. er the two mts and rick tell ersz laugh are rof and the two translateser we didn't get agreement on what was said in the meeting. this is atypical. there is no third party read out. in fact we don't know what trump said to putin and what putin actually said back to him about hacking t hacking the 2016 sfwleeks we don't. what's interesting about what rex tillerson said is that -- what he said is that the american people -- that the president expressed what the american people were concerned about with respect to the russian interference in the election. he didn't say that the president expressed his concerns or his grave concerns about what happened with russian interference in the election. i thought that was an interesting -- whether it was a choice or not in terms of how he prays phrased that.
it was interesting. the other thing that was highlighted is the fact that the credibility problem this white house has of their own making really came into play today because nobody really knows whether to believe the readout that rex tillerson provided where he seemed to infer that the president was more direct with vladimir putin or whether one should believe the statements of lavrov moua indicated that the president was much more consiliaer to and more accepting of the russian position. and unfortunately it was lavrov's statements that track much more closely with what the president has said publicly and tweeted publicly in the past. >> mike mcfall in a strange development yesterday morning president trump delivered a speech and made comments about barack obama not confronting the issue of the russian hacking when he found out about it. he said as he has said before that he choked.
but in fact you have been around when president obama has dealt with president putin. and in president obama's own words he took him aside and told him this has to stop. >> he did. we know did he said that to the american people. i believe that he did. and what is so confusing about president trump's stance is on the one hand he keeps saying if the russians did it maybe another country did it. he just said that yesterday by the way not six months ago he said it request yesterday. >> that's right. >> on the other hand he says why didn't the president do more about it? it can't be both either you pleef he did it and should have done more and/or it didn't and therefore he shouldn't have responded. >> peter baker when our own hallie jackson asked the president why he doesn't believe the conclusion that's been arrived at by a number of key u.s. intelligence agencies donald trump did another one of those things where he said you know they told me fs there were 1 intelligence agencies i didn't know there were 17 intelligence agencies, again trying to make
the story about how many intelligence agencies agreed on what happened as opposed to owning taking responsibility for and delivering a messages to vladimir putin this this has to stop. why the prevarious indication. >> that's the central question isn't it it's the been the consistent position he's taken since the beginning back in january, december, after the presidency he was repeatedly questioned the idea this happened. not only did he raise the question of three or four or 17 agencies that sort of ob few skates there is no dissent among the intelligence agencies no matter how many you count. >> that's an important point go a little farther there are 17 intelligence agencies, 16 plus the directright of national intelligence which is an umbrella group over them. there is a reason buy why 16 or in 17 agencies didn't chime in but only four did explain that more clearly. >> his point is that the media outlet's in the record reporting
have sometimes oversimplified this saying the conclusion of the 17 intelligence agency is thus and such. it's correct only three of the agencies actually examined it and then it became the conclusion of the director of the office of national intelligence representing the 17 agencies. it's not that the other 14 agencies had a different conclusion they just didn't look at it peskly. however you want to number it, the point is the intelligence community is in consensus there was medding and the purpose was to aid donald trump in the election. and it was ordered by putin. there is no question -- no debate about that among the intelligence agencies. but you heard president trump raise questions about that just yesterday as mike mcfall mentioned. he only spade i don't know, you know it's possible in or that. he specifically raised again in idea of the iraq intelligence that was wrong before the invasion of 2003. they got that wrong. >> i.e., why trust the
intelligence community at all because they got information leading to the iraq war wrong. >> exactly. so we don't know what happened therefore we can't trust anything we're told by the intelligence agencies. and so you know you heard democrats in washington say look he is equating in fact making a -- of an equivalent between the american intelligence attentions on the one hand and russian president vladimir putin on the other hand who says it didn't happen as if these were equal versions of events. a and rex tillerson says you know it's an intractable disagreement so we have to move forward. it's just he said/he said. therefore let's move on and let bi gons by buy gons. >> it's a dangerous world right now cab wab kari we've got russian expansionism a mess in the middle east in syria, libya. . north korea the issue. many thought of the g20 a opportunity perhaps for america and donald trump to reclaim the mantle of leadership in the
world that has been deteriorating over the months because donald trump has not reaffirmed the commitment until yesterday again properly to article 5 of nato. he has not taken the leadership roles necessary in a lot of these places. it didn't happen. that didn't happen at the g20. in fact if anything the leaders on saturday will leave the g20 with the world more splintered place than it was when the meeting started. what is the -- place of the united states in the world right now. >> it's really disheartening for those in the national security and foreign policy community to see how the president in such a short time has damaged the united states's reputation throughout the world. and there is a reason that dozens of national security and foreign policy experts and former officials were concerned about krufrp becoming president on the campaign and there is nothing he has done since he's been president that changed that assessment. but just going back for a second to what peter was describing
before with respect to the intelligence community. what really matters is the agency that is were involved in making the determination, and the agency that is have the relevant responsibility for looking at major counterintelligence issues are the agency that is were involved in making that assessment. and it's not just the agencies. it's the director of national intelligence who sits atop all of the intelligence community. it's the former director of national intelligence and president trump's current director of national intelligence who supports the assessment that that there was russian influence on the campaign. the former fbi director, the bipartisan chair and vice sir chair of the senate intelligence committee, basically everybody in a position of authority to understand in intelligence supports the intelligence community's assessment. it's only the president that doesn't. >> mike mcfall, what is ray brody what does a chief diplomat, the secretary of state how are you supposed to handle the matters. >> once all the evidence has
been gathered that a country is doing something you don't like this is commonplace for the diplomatic community what was the opportunity missed today? >> you know, in my opinion he should have gone into that meeting and said president putin i know what you did in our election. there is no doubt about it. and now that i'm president that can never happen again. and if it does happen again here are the consequences. and spell them out. >> to be clear there is lots of head room for consequences. >> of course. >> the sanctions imposed on russia that they want removed so badly are really a tip of an iceberg. >> that's right. and the thing i think the president still does not understand about vladimir putin -- i've been in several meetings before during the obama administration -- he respects strength. when koum in and you lead with well you know the people want me to look into this but you know what do you think, mr. putin- dsh president putin? it has been noted the senate is going to put sanctions on you not me but it has been noted these other people. that's a position of weakness. and that suggests to vladimir
putin that he can gain and obtain concessions from president trump moving forward. so you know he wanted a good meeting. putin wanted a good meeting they got the good meeting they want. but moving forward we have to focus on what's in america's national interest, not just what is god for having a good meeting. >> ambassador mike! wall peter baker kari cord roe peter has a new book it's called "obama, the call of history." the ambassador stick wg meem because we're looking at putin when we come back what it was like inside the room with the russian leader. "the 11th hour" is back after this. nick was born to move. not necessarily after three toddlers with boundless energy. lower back pain won't stop him from keeping up. because at a dr. scholl's kiosk... he got a recommendation for our best custom fit orthotic to relieve his foot, knee, or lower back pain, from being on his feet, by reducing shock and stress on his body with every step.
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i think the president at this point -- he pressed him and then you know felt like at this point let's- let's talk about how do we go forward? i think that was the right place to spend our time, rather than spending a lot of time having a disagreement. >> that was secretary of state rex tillerson parting thoughts to the press corps about what it was like inside the room where the highly anticipated meeting between presidents trump and putin happened. tillerson areas comments revealed the strategy behind how far the administration was prepared to push russia for meddling in our election. ambassador mike mcfall still with us. also here in new york chl malcom nancy. former intelligence offers for the united states government. he is the author of several books. the plot to hack america. putin and tried to steal the.
>> that's a confident of titles to a book that makes me believe that you think that the russian government was involved in hacking the u.s. election. >> right. >> you're a former intelligence officer. once again president trump took aim at the american intelligence community undercutting them and suggesting that not everybody is onboard with this idea that the russian hacked the election and even if they are you can't trust the intelligence community. i guess my question to you is how does this affect the rank and file in the intelligence community that's comprised of 1 agencies in this country. >> it doesn't tp it doesn't affect them because these are men and women dedicated who come in every day at the cia walk past the stat ewe of nathan heal, the wall of remembrance at nsa they go about doing their job keeping the nation safe. that's what they're going to do. in the watch offices places like this who watch the problems like this when they hear statements like you literally people throw their hands in the air and go oh
they will go back to their jobs. because that is their job to keep the nation safe. does it undermine morale. >> ambassador mcfal i wanted to ask you about something david ignatius wrote wrote in the "washington post" saying trump may claim a win but putin may see this a opportunity to come in from the cold after the sanctions and diplomatic isolation that followed russia's 2014 invasion of crimea. i want you to provide some context here. about 50 or 60% of russia's gdp is in some way related to oil and gas and natural resources some culled it a big gas station. they were on the brink at the time of the sin rigs a very good deal with exxonmobil of which rex tillerson was the country to drill in the arctic that didn't happen. they need the sanctions removed. it has hurt their economy. >> they have without a doubt.
and most certainly i was ambassador when this that deal was being done between rosnaft and exxon. there is a lot of debate what percentage of gdp does it account for? it's clear. put putin wants the sanctions to be lifted therefore they must be costry. what i think was the real disappointment for me about the conversation ---en a especially the read outby secretary tillerson. he kept saying we got to frrgt about the past and move forward. >> this is a matter we have to disagree. >> we can agree and disto disagree about policies between countries including the united states and russia most certainly that happened when i was in the government tp we can't agree to disagree about facts. and there are facts involved here -- they violated our sovereignty. so to say well we can't come a agreement to let's move on. that's a very weak position mp in fact i would go part farther.
if you think about the content of u.s. russian relations today with the possible exception of north korea, what is it? we have a disagreement about ukraine. did we do something in ukraine? we didn't annex a territory there. we didn't support separatists russia did that. the meddling in our election? did we meddle in their elections? no. syria who was the leader supported assad the dictator killed half a million people chl that was putin he created the agenda. for us to say well let's move forward because -- why because we want to cooperate on what? i think that's not smart diploma. >> malcom we use intelligence gather to get proof, evidence. weirdly vladimir putin through sergei lavrov has said if you think we meddled the in the election provide with us the proof. that's not how our intelligence gathering works. >> this is brilliant. you know people have said that you know putin was a mid-level human intelligence officer and
he really wasn't a spy master. no this guy is a spy master. i mean he ran the fsb. he has studied all of the histories and he know you how to apply power at least on the political level and understanding what he can get from his agencies. his biographer today l said he does live in his own information bubble. but that bubble comes from his intelligence attentions and academics in his political supporters. that being said, he has an information domens over donald trump. donald trump does not live in an area where he even believes his intelligence agencies. he disparages that. it's the ultimate trolling for vladimir putin to say okay give us the evidence all the everyday. let us know where we failed in our collection activities and where we succeeded in our successful propaganda warfare against you.
>> mike mcfall something happened today interesting. melania trump was playing an underthe radar role she sat next to vladimir putin at the dinner. here is an interesting detail. the one point the first lady came in in to see if she could put an end to the meeting. it didn't work tillerson said. the group went on another hour after that. what happened there? what was that all about? >> i have no idea. like i said, when i worked at the white house and then as ambassador i participated in many bilateral meetings both with putin and before him president med vefld. >> i was the note taker. >> you were the note taker >> often times the he first meeting with president obama had with putin i was the note taker. let me say a little bit about that. number one it's very odd to have not your national security adviser in the room. >> h.r. mcmaster. >> when you're speaking about national security issues with
the president of russia. >> all of the issues they had to cover were national security. >> of course. >> whether hacking the election or syria or north korea or nato. everything was a national security issue. there was nothing else on the agenda that was meaningful. >> exactly. and every president most certainly our national security advisers in the obama era were in the room. i can't remember when that wouldn't happen. but second they didn't have a note taker. and that is important for a couple of reasons. one because of this he said/he said kind of outcome. believe me i dealt with that with sergei lavrov when i was in the government. we had to dweel that to rebut things he would say. but more importantly there is a transcript for the rest of the trump administration. how do you make policy or implement policy when you are flying blind you don't know what was said. that was a big mistake on their part. >> gentlemen good to talk to you. thanks for being with us. coming up next ahead of this all important meeting with vladimir putin, the president was reliving 2016.
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campaign chairman john podesta. everyone here is talking about why john podesta refused to give the dnc server to the fbi and the cia. disgraceful. now podesta who in the middle of a road trip across the country with his wife applied in a series of tweets get a grip man the russians committed a crime when he they stole my emails to help get you electored president. also maybe unite try to find a way to mention that to president putin. he ended with dude, get your head in the game. you're representing the u.s. at the g20. earlier this evening john podesta called into hard ball and spoke with chris matthews about his reaction to the president's tweets. >> it's just totally amazing. i mean i think my tweets kind of reflected my view which is how could you imagine sitting there preparing for one of the most important meetings you'll have on the world stage. both with the bilateral with
putin and more particularly at the g20 summit and be staring at his phone and tweeting about me. and all of it's wrong. >> here with me now senior politics report foreusa today and msnbc political analyst. white house reporter for bloomberg shannon opinion peter baker back with me from "the new york times." heidi let me start with you. the president had the biggest so far of his presidency. he has china to worry about and north korea. and syria, and g20 and rts germany and angela merkel what was doing thing about john podesta someone most americans are not thinking about. >> i thought this through. we have two options what to believer the first is this was strategic and that it was a not so subtle way to ingratiate himself with putin. he knows he is going to have to raise this russian hacking issue. maybe he doesn't want to it's uncomfortable. he attacks the primary victim of russian hacking who is john
podesta. you combine that with attacking the u.s. intelligence agencies and these are all things that would be quite pleasing to putin. or the other option is to choose that he had some kind of bizarre dream about john podesta just randomly decided to tweet this out. you choose. >> peter baker, for people who are a little confused about this story. i have to see to them if they're watching you're really right to be confused about this. john podesta never worked for the dnc. he had nothing to do with their server. the cia wasn't looking for it. what do you make of the fact that there was nothing true about the tweet in. >> yeah, he seems- the president seems to have confused two elements of the story. there were two hacks one of the democratic national committee emails. then later the one of john podesta emails not the same. although both of enemy attributed to the russians. and it is true there is questions about why the dnc didn't take it more seriously
why they didn't you know respond more aggressively when the fbi first notified them and so forth. there are legitimate questions to be asked about the dnc editions but as far as we know john podesta not at the dnc was at the hillary clinton campaign was not part that have it seems he confused the two. >> van shannon the president was at the g20 which you annoy from earlier befores before the financial crisis, g20 was a finance meeting. the world didn't cover it and then the leaders started showing up that's when the protestors started showing up. there was business to be done here. putting aside north korea and russia and the important meeting with president xi, the president had work to do with his european counterparts who he let down in the past around nato now around the paris agreement. the work typically done at g20 isn't even getting done at this. >> this seemed to go better than his last trip to europe where he
started off in the middle east and saudi arabia, which should have been the tricky part to navigate relationships with the saudis, israelis. and that went smoothly and europe was where he got tripped up and you know really stepped in it. this seemed to go smoother. did it go great though? are we turning over a new leaf? no there is a lot of work to do. this should be the easy breezy germany, france, canada. somehow that has become difficult of this president. >> part of the problem at the g20 is these are the leaders of 19 countries and europe really. it's really the biggest economies in the world. the place where the united states has had the greatest degree of leadership traditionally at least every oh the last 25 years or so. >> right and take climate change the paris agreement, climate change that would be something everyone could come together on, kefding each other and nato, protecting each other as a block. that would be something everyone could agree on a lot of tensions
now because of trump's decision to pull out of the paris climate agreement. there was actually a move -- an attempt to try and take melania on a climate change computer lab tour with the other spouses of the world leaders that she ended up getting blocked in her residence because of protests. but yes trying to get climate change back on the agenda. that's how they have to do it now. before it was like everyone was on the same page np now it's like maybe we can get the first lady to go to the climate change things and manipulate things behind the scene that is way. >> peter let me ask you about another story is that has developed. and that is walter schwab, the outgoing ethics chief. he told npr because working with the white house was a disoimt process appointment his words are i can only describe my experience with the way they've run the ethics program in the white house right now as one of disappointment. this is -- you know he cited the ethics waivers for white house staffers this is no which to run
a ethics program. what does this mean what's the implication the one guy out there in the punning challenging the way that donald trump and his family and coast associates inspect is doing business is walking away from the job. >> the office of government ethics not exactly a powerhouse but it was founded after the watergate scandal to try to monitor and bring light on the various issues. the fact that this -- walter, the director of it who has been a thorn in the side of the white house is stepping down, removes one more voice in government who is pointing to issues with the president's continued you know holdings in the private sector. and i think that you know his term was going to be up in january. he decided he didn't think he was going to be reoipted by president trump difficult g grifen the clashes they had. he had done everything he could do in that circumstance. it does certainly make things a little bit easier for the white house in in that they won't have to contend with somebody who has been pretty aggressive about
raising the issues not just in the normal sphere of government court orders and letters but even on twitter the president's favorite method of communication. >> twitter he has given speeches. he was a thorn in the side won't be any longer? hidety diane hannon stay with us we'll have new details how the white house and senator mitch mcconnell's plan to sell the health care bill to skeptical republicans is going to go. "the 11th hour" is back after this. steve was born to move. over the course of 9 days he walks 26.2 miles. that's a marathon. because he chooses to walk whenever he can. and he does it with support from dr. scholl's. only dr. scholl's has massaging gel insoles that provide all-day comfort to keep him feeling more energized. so he even has the energy to take the long way home. keep it up, steve! dr. scholl's. born to move.
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the military says it's premed to use full range of capabilities to defend and preserve the security of the korean peninsula we'll stay on thap for you. turning back to domestic predicts president trump has repeat thely obamacare is dead. but with congress back next week what seems to be dead right now is the republican repeal effort. two months after celebrating the house bill -- you remember this, the beer party at the white house -- republicans still lacked the votes to pass one in the senate. nask gop opposition to the bill has grown, nine senators now against it. the "washington post" reporting tonight that senate republicans along with the white house are planning a final urgent blitz to pass a bill with figures and analysis from conservative groups and republicans that show more benefits. heidi and shannon are still with us. heidi, the show more benefits means more benefits nan the cbo score which didn't help the republicans on the house bill. and didn't help them anymore on
the senate bill. that's what republicans are trying to sell thp they're i trying to say doesn't trust the cbo score there is another story. >> i don't know the benefits they're coming up with. but the cost cuts to medicaid are the major sticking point for a lot of the moderate senators who are peeling off. then you've got the conservatives who stay doesn't go far enough. i don't see how that fundamentally changes the calculus. what you have to point out is what's happening right now what happened in the past 24 to 48 hours with mitch mcconnell essentially telling this rotary club that we may have to ultimately negotiate with the democrats and shoring up the exchanges, that is huge. because all along the republics have been arguing that that is impossible to shore up those exchanges, that obamacare is a collapsing of its own weight. now you have the senate majority leader under this pressure with all of the republicans peeling off acknowledging that, yeah at the end of the day we may be forced to negotiating table with
democrats. >> part of the problem the polling on this shannon is showing it's less popular than even the remarkably unpopular house version. i want to play a sound bite from snar diane feinstein who predicted that mcconnell is not going to have the votes for this. let's listen. >> the majorities leader pointed 13 white men to sit in a back room and write a bill. we're very close to defeating it. mitch mcconnell the leader hasn't brought it to the floor. my sense is he won't until he has the votes and my sense is that he is not going to have the votes. >> it's important to point out, the reason there are nine republicans against in -- for two different reasons some of them don't think it's conservative enough and it needs more cuts. and the others don't think they're getting re-elect first degree they pass a bill taking away medicaid from so many. what is this a head fake or do you think they're going ahead with a vote on a bill they don't
have support for. >> we're having deja vu to what happened in the house. i think we already are. with the poll arization within their own party. they're on two separate sides thp they won't have the votes now they'll have to go back to august recess it's painful. they're going to get yelled at we saw the same thing happen with the democrats in the obamacare debate. as we saw in the house where it looked like so far apart any did. they came together some of them held their nose and swallowed that bill and got it through. we will eventually say something slr. maybe late september october before the ended of the year but the i think the republicans know they have to do this. they own it whether they like it or not and they're going to have to come up with something. are the democrats going to come onboard? that's a fantasy at this point but we'll see what happens in the coming months. it's going to take time. >> heidi when the stuff happened with the house bill you and i were together in washington discussing this.
the issue is of course the republicans have to do something with health care. they've got to achieve these cost cuts in order to move on to what a lot of people think is a bigger priority that's tax reform. >> that's right. a lot of the savings -- some of the savings they would apply to tax reform would be gotten from the obamacare replacement. that's why democrats are so furious about this because any say it's essentially a tax cut veiled at a health care reform package. this could be a domino essentially to trump's entire agenda if he can't get in dunn. not only just because it would demoralize his party but because like you i is a the cost saving bifurcates. i actually think it might not happen just because the senate is such a different chamber than the house. and you never had speaker ryan talking at this point about potentially compromising with democrats. and you have so many members now speaking out like pat toomey
saying that you know look we acknowledge that -- actually we never thought trump would get electsed we were caught flat footed we've been just opposing obamacare all this time but didn't have enough time to put together a plan. let's go back to the drawing board. whether that looks like something that compromise withes democrats or another pass at a republican plan, i'm just not sure that this is ultimately going to make it through the senate. >> real quick shannon says it's a fantasy democrats might ged onboard to negotiate something. you agree with that? >> that -- they will never -- i totally agree they'll never get onboard with replacing obamacare. i think they would totally get onboard with fixing some of the things that need to be fixed in it like shoring up the individual market. >> yeah. heidi thanks very much. shannon as well from boormg. coming up the mystery eight decades old that may now -- may now be newly solved. we're back after this. ♪ ♪ award winning interface.
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welcome back to the 11th hour. a photo significant guest she may have been captured by the japanese in 1937. she was declared dead but her remains and aircraft were never found. new the photo in question seen here appears to show her and her nav dwa tore, he highlighted both of them for you on a dock in the marshall islands after
the crash. they tested the photo's authenticity. take a look. >> how did they manipulate it or someone moved in the picture? they would stand out dramatically as either a very bright or very dark object. abnormally bright or dark. notice we look through here. we don't see anything standing out. it may be possible to fool one of these tests but it's not going to be possible to fool all five of them. they are looking for something very distinct. i can say with a high degree of scientific certainty, 99.7% or higher probability that this picture is authentic and not been manipulated in any way. >> our guest is part of the history channel's team that may have cracked open an 80-year-old case. dan hampton is here with me in new york. he's a 20-year veteran. good to see you. this is interesting because many
people may have come to terms there say mystery here. she probably crashed into the pacific but we don't know and won't find out. you didn't actually believe it was plausible she parierished there? >> i was uncertain. two things convinced me. the first thing when they showed me that picture and what you had explained really set the stage and the second thing is when i did the math and i worked out her fuel consumption, range, could she have physically made it? she could have. this has got to be worth pursuing. >> let me ask you by looking at this picture. fred, his hairline is easy to determine. they over lay pictures of him and that was an easy part. the person reported to be amelia earhardt has her back to us. >> shay did body measurements, sitting height and torso and they had an old picture of her
because she was a swimmer sitting by a pool and over laid it and it was identical. >> there is another part of the picture, it's over to the right. it's a ship, a boat and it's towing something. and the calculations sort of indicated that that thing that it's on it or that's loaded on to it is the same size as her plane. >> right, the cargo ship and that's confirmed that's it and the barge behind it is what the aircraft was physically put on when they towed it. >> what is the likely course of events that would have led to her sitting on that dock and what happened afterwards? >> well, she couldn't find the island. she was north of the island in the weather. the only bad weather at the time was north of the island. she got to a predetermined that only she knew divert, i got to turn around and go back to safety. no professional pilot will orbit
around. instead of hitting the gilberts, which is what she was trying for, she hit the marshalls held by the japanese. >> at that point what happened? >> she came down and landed on the reef. the local japanese civilians there, part of a trading company would have contacted the military. >> and you see some of them in this picture? >> absolutely. they sent that boat to milly, loaded her, newnan and the airplane up. what i personally think is they are waiting for the military. they don't think they are in custody. they think they are rescued. >> thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> you can catch the special, amelia earhardt on sunday at 7:00. i'll be watching it. the surprising hobbies of your united states senators. we'll be right back.
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which is a tradition. honey bees were introduced during the coalization of the united states. heidi say certified pilates instructor after winning a race in 2000. the democrats says she uses breathing techniques during stressful situations on capitol hill and debbie of michigan play as mean piano. she plays all of which she's played during tense situations in washington. she even teamed up with senator tim kaine on the harmonica at a democratic retreat. i like learning these things about my senators. that is my broadcast tonight. thank you for being with us. brian will be back on monday. good night from nbc headquarters in new york city.
happy friday. tonight is a night when most of the world's attention is focused on what is happen income one city in germany where the g 20 is happening and where the president sat down for the first time since russia launched the attack on the u.s. presidential election last year. for the past nfew years, the united states and much of the world is trying to isolate for what it did when it made it part of russia and for what it did to the elections but today the russian time-out ended with a full buy lateral meeting between the serving u.s. president and president putin. tonight, i'm very happy to say excited to say we have the perfect person to take us inside the meeting and even better, more