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influence. his name is walter schaub and not pushed out but he is leaving because the government ethics rules are not strong enough to allow limb to stand up to what this president and his family are doing. so he is leaving his job at the office of government ethics in order to try to strengthen those roles from the outside. so very interesting resignation today. we have more on that story ahead. there is a lot going on. we have a big show tonight. but we are going to start with something different tonight. i said at the very end of last night's show that we have a scoop to share with you tonight. this is that scoop. in house on our staff we have been talking about this as a inside-out story. not your typical news story, not your typical scoop but i think it is important. it is one of the few times we have ever had a scoop on this show where i feel like i need to send this up like a flare for other news organizations in particular. that is part of what i'm intending to do here with this
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story tonight. but okay, here it goes. we have this thing we have been doing on our show for a while now that is called www.send it to rachel if you want to get in touch with us, send us a tip or a document, you could do so via that website, www.send it to we get important political fights that aren't getting national coverage and a lot of information about bad behavior by elected officials and occasionally get news about good behavior by elected officials that have gone unnoticed and we get anonymous tips and a lot of documents too. we've had a lot of firsthand records come across the transom through www.send it to and documents that show us how the government is making decisions, what government is doing, whether or not they are talking about it publicly yet.
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so it is a great resource for our reporting. i will say it one more time. www.send it to it is still up and running. we would love to hear from you. well a few weeks ago, we got a new document through that channel. and at first glance it was just unbelievably red hot. if by any chance this document is real, it is so sensitive, so classified, that i can not show it to you. i cannot show it to almost anyone. because of its purported classification level. it is very hard to circulate it at all. or even to describe it to people. and i don't say that to try to hype it, i say that to let you know that it is actually logistically difficult to validate something like this. because when it is classified at that level or appears to be classified at that level, you can't run a document like that by people, the way you would for any other kind of document we might get shipped to us from some source. people who are in a position to
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recognize or authenticate this kind of document, people who have worked with things at this level of classification, they will typically refuse to look at a document like this if there is any chance this is real, that it is real classified information that has been improperly disclosed. that is because of the terms of their own security clearance mean effectively that they can't review something like this without it creating legal obligations on them. so, it is very hard to check this stuff out. classificationwise, it is logistically very difficult to deal with. very, very sensitive. but in terms of the political implications of this document that we are given, its content, politically this thing is so sensitive it takes all air out of the room and the nearby rooms. people talk about finding the smoking gun. what got sent to us was not just a smoking gun, it was a gun still firing proverbial bullets. so here is the deal.
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we believe now that the real story we have stumbled upon here is that somebody out there is shopping carefully forged documents, to try to discredit news agency reporting on the russian attack on our election. and specifically on the possibility that the trump campaign coordinated with the russians in mounting that attack. let me show you what i mean. here is what we know. do you remember a month ago when a relatively new news organization called the intercept published this report. top secret nsa report details russian hacking effort days before 2016 election. this is published almost exactly a month ago, monday june 5th. the intercept has a bunch of very good reporters working there who have earned their stripes. and in terms of the russia story, the intercept have -- they've really stood out for being basically aggressively skeptical on that story.
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skeptical that there was a russian attack on our election and skeptical that the campaign might have colluded in that attack. there is nothing wrong with a news organization having an editorial take, i'm not criticizing them for the take on russia but for the purposes of understanding what we just figured out it is important to understand that the intercept, does as a news organization have a take on the russia attack on the russia story and their take is that they are dismissive of the story. and that is why it was really surprising and really interesting that it was the intercept, of all places, that published this big advance in the russia story. new details on the russian hacking effort into the u.s. presidential election, including a u.s. intelligence report which said that they attacked -- the attack went on for longer than previously disclosed and wider than previously des closed and they got further in their attack than have previously been
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disclosed according to the intercept. they executed a cyber attack on one voting software suppose plierz and spent spear phishing before the election and russian government hackers were part of a team with a cyber espionage and focused on the the u.s. election system directed quoting to the u.s. process. and they have penetrated further than what was previously understood and they have may have breached some elements of the u.s. system and this is cited to a highly classified intelligence report obtained by the intercept. in addition to the write up of it, this is important, the intercept, they didn't just publish an article about that top secret intelligence report. they actually published the top secret intelligence report. they published the top secret nsa report they said they
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obtained. five pages of it. detailing this american intelligence understanding of how russian agents attempted to wiggle their way into the u.s. election system and came it w a flow chart of how they got in and why they targeted the places they did. it is very detailed. and the whole thing was mentioned top secret on every page. the intercept reported when they published this thing that u.s. intelligence officials wouldn't comment on the document. but said agencies did ask them for certain redactions. some of which the intercept agreed to make. so they made those reactions specific redactions at the request of u.s. agencies and then they hit publish on that story. big deal, right? new detailed evidence into american intelligence gathering on russian attempts to get inside of our election system. this is a very big story. based again on a very classified document. huge story, a real scoop, a real
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coup for the intercept and that story is remembered less for the content of the story and more for what happened immediately after they published it. because immediately after they published it, we learned there was an arrest. we got our first heads up about that intercept story just before 4:00 p.m. on june 5th. an hour later at 5:00 p.m. sharp june 5th, the justice department announced they have had in custody, already arrested the person who allegedly leaked that top secret document to the intercept. and this is a pending federal case now against that nsa contractor. it is not resolved at all. but from the criminal complaint the government filed, the case is not at all subtle. apparently the nsa can tell how many people have ever accessed or looked at an individual secret document like this. they could tell who they are by name. and in the criminal complaint,
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the fbi agent named in the complaint lays out how the fbi investigation into this leak proceeded. they have this list of like a half dozen people who they know who have accessed this document and they go down the list looking for someone who accessed the document who appeared to be in touch with this news organization, with the intercept, by that process they quickly narrow it down to one nsa contractor working in the state of georgia, named reality winner. according to the fbi. she was only one of the six who had both access the document and been in touch with the intercept. then they go down a second line of approach. the agent said in this criminal complaint that there is a crease, like you get a crease from folding something, there is a crease visually evident on the document itself. that was a clue to the fbi that ever took this document off the nsa had printed it. it printed the page and folded
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it and carried it out of the nsa office by hand. and then there was another clue, and this is where the story gets a little bit crazy, most color printers, maybe even all of this, i don't know, they apparently leave behind when they print, when they print out a piece of paper from a computer, right, when they print, they leave behind a finger print on every sheet that they print out. you know how an old school detective stories they do forensic analysis of individual type writers who figure out which typewriter typed out the ransom note. that is for computer printers too. and that is may have come acalling when the intercept showed the nsa this document they had obtained through a source because they wanted the nsa to validate it, to comment on whether or not this document they had received was real. in that document, which we have access to, because they published it online when they
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published their story, in that document, alongside all of the plainly visible text and the flow chart and even the redactions and everything, alongside that obvious stuff was this barely visible fingerprint from the printer it was printed on. the fringer prints ingerprint i life almost invisible yellow printed dots. and unless you were looking for them, you would never notice them just by reading the document. but if you run the page through like an image software and do a little magic reversing the colors an in this case brightening so you could see them on your tv, up pops, if you are looking for it, a readable specific grid of these little dots. and that grid of those little dots is basically a fingerprint and it tells you which exact printer was used to print out that page. tells you the model number and the serial number and exactly which time and date that printing happened. now it may be that the fbi
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didn't have to use those little yellow printer dots to track down their suspect. the fbi doesn't mention the printer dots in their charging document in this case but once the intercept published this document online, for people who understand forensic tracking of documents and the danger of leaking documents, those dots were an obvious thing to document because they were there to be read by a trained observer on that document that the intercept published online. okay. so now let me show you how this worked for us. this is the nsa document published by the intercept. you see the little dots? you could see the little dots and that very specific pattern in relation to that little piece of the text that we've excerpted. it is uncovered on one of the pages the intercept published. now watch. i'm going to show you that same pattern of dots, except this time it is from a different document. okay. as you could see, it is the same pattern of dots, the top half of
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the pattern, but what i'm showing you here, this is not the document published by the intercept. this is from the document that somebody sent us through www.senditto and that appeared on the supposed nsa document that somebody sent to us anonymously. you see it here in the intercept document with the dots by the word summary, those same dots, the top part of the pattern appear magic by the word "summary" in the document we got. it is not all of the dots, just the ones that appear to have slipped through in a fophotocop cut and paste job. this is what it appears to be to us. a cut and paste forthry using the intercept document as a t template. and again here, see that thin line there on the upper left hand corner. you could see what i think is
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the crease where the fbi said the intercept document was folded after it was printed. we think we see remnants of that exact same crease on the forged supposed top secret nsa document that got sent to us. now, it may be helpful to know, we got this purported nsa document the same week the intercept published theirs. and here is another thing i could show you in terms of assessing that out. check out the timing. suspect on the intercept leak goes to jail on saturday. gets arrested on saturday june 3rd and the fbi interviewed and arrested reality winner, this nsa contractor and pled not guilty and been in jail since saturday and the intercept published their story two days later around 4:00 p.m., that monday june 5th. the forged document that we got sent to us appears to have been created in that narrow window of time between those two events. after reality winner got arrested and before the ibts
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sent publi -- intercept published the document that appear to have been lifted off the same document that the intercept published. our document appears to be a cut and paste forgery derived from the intercept document. we cannot for sure and if that is the case and whoever did the work to do the forgery was cutting and pasting together a fake document working from a document that was not yet public available. they would have started creating that file or they would have started that file after reality winners arrest and before the intercept published it to everyone and then sent it to us two days later. given what we know about the time it was sent to us and what we could see from the metadata, we believe this is the time linin. now is the time line a clue as to who contacted us and sent us this document? we don't know. maybe the metadata itself is faked or is wrong in some kway.
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i don't know. there are documents that are subtle. little typos, there are some weird spacing, that just doesn't look right. it has a date on it in terms of when in the future it can be declassified, that doesn't really make much sense, if it was produced when they say it was produced. the big red flag for us is that the document we were given, this is part of what made it seem so red hot, it names an american citizen. the document we were sent, which we believe to be a forgery, names a specific person in the trump campaign as working with the russians on their hacking attack on the election last year and the specific name of the trump campaign person is irrelevant and we believe how the nsa works with multi-pell conversations we believe that a u.s. citizen's name would never appear in a document like this. even if the typos and the weird spacing and the other odd stuff had snuck through for some
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reason, an american citizens name would not have snuck through. not at this level of an nsa report. that document contains an american name spelled out and that says to experienced people that work with this stuff that what we got is forged. it is fake. which is interesting if you work on this show. this is news. because why is someone shopping a forged document of this kind to news organizations covering the trump-russia affair. last week three journalists resigned from their jobs at cnn after that network retracted a story that he had written about the trump administration related to the trump russia affair. cnn said the sourcing of that story in retrospect did not meet the editorial standards. also last week. vice retracted two stories about the trump administration. like cnn, vice also cited problems with the sourcing of that stories.
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the thing that is not knocking around in the back of your mind right now is from 2004, when the legendary dan rather lost his career at cbs over a story for the evening news that delved into george w. bush's truncated service at the national guard during vietnam and the team had documents that they got from a source that they checked out but the sourcing of the documents was later attacked and undermined and cbs was ripped to shredded over the process that it went through that resulted in the documents being put on the air as the basis for that story. still over a decade later the origin of that document is murky. but undeniably, cbs running that story was a disaster for two things. it was a disaster for everyone involved and a disaster for a news story. that was -- in personal terms, that was the end of a trusted voice of reason and insight and perspective, dan rather, as a regular presence in the family living room. in terms of the news, that was a spike through the heart of
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thetory of george w. bush's national guard service keeping him out of vietnam. which was a true and interesting story. and which really might have been a serious ongoing political liability for candidate george w. bush. but nobody was ever willing to touch it again during that campaign. because of the way those documents purporting to prove out the worst aspects of that story blew up like a pipe bomb at cbs news. and so heads up everybody. this is what i mean by an inside-out scoop. somebody, for some reason, appears to be shopping a fairly convincing fake nsa document that purports to directly implicate somebody from the trump campaign in working with the russians on their attack on the election. it is a forgery. let me caveat that. it is either a forgery or every single national security officials we consulted about this story is wrong about it. i don't know if the trump
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campaign worked with russia or not. if they did knowingly work with a foreign government, a foreign military intelligence service to attack our election to help trump to the pressy, that is clearly the biggest political scandal in modern american history by a mile. we don't fknow if it happened. not yet. the special council is investigating, congressional committees are more or less investigating and the american news media is investigating. whether or not the trump campaign did it, one way to stab in the heart aggressive american reporting on that subject is to lay traps for american journalists who are reporting on it. trick news organizations into reporting what appears to be evidence of what happened. and then after the fact blow that reporting up. you then hurt the credibility of that news organization, you also cast a shadow over any similar reporting in future. whether or not it is true, right. even if it is true. you plant a permanent question.
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a permanent asterisk, a permanent who knows as to whether that, too, might be false like that other story or whether that too is based on faked evidence. so heads up, everybody. part of the defense against this trump russia story now we can report includes somebody apparently for apparently forging one classified nsa report and shopping it to news organizations as if it is real. we don't know who it is doing it, but we are working on it. heads up in the meantime, everybody. we will be right back. ew car. nobody's hurt, but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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>> the g 20 plus one, plus the european union. they meet every year. g-20 summit always attract major protests, mostly anti-capitolism and protests by anybody who has a brief with this small minority of countries that represent the lion's sharp of the wealth in the world. and this week they are meeting in hamberg, germany. this year's protesters picked a cheery theme to greet the leaders. the theme this year is g-20, welcome to hell. this should be fun. they expect 100,000 protesters to show up. today it kicked off with 10 to 15,000 protesters in the streets. within minutes of the start of their planned march today, the march was broken up by german riot police. look at this. the police said some protesters were breaking the law by wearing masks that covered their faces so they broke the whole thing up.
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from there things pretty quickly went pear shaped. police turned water cannons and copious amounts of tear gas. the protesters threw rocks and bottles at the police. by nightfall the protesters were lighting fires in the streets. we don't know how many protesters were arrested or injured. we are told more than 75 police officers were injured today. three of whom had to two to the hospital, including one who had an eye injury when the officer had a firecracker blow up in his or her face. right now as we speak it's after 3:00 in the morning in hamburg. things are died down after the big and violent confrontations today there were peaceful protesters that stuck around. as we're told right now, heading
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into tomorrow, things are still on schedule for the official summit which starts tomorrow. and in terms of american politics, that means everybody is bracing for the first official meeting between president trump and the russian president vladimir putin. tomorrow is trump's first meeting as president with putin. but it is not his first meeting as president with a russian official. i think part of what's giving so many americans so much focus about this meeting tomorrow is what happened the last time trump had a meeting with russians since he's been president. you'll remember that was the one inside the oval office where trump inexplicably disclosed to the russians code secret top secret intelligence that should have never been shared with any other country, especially the russians. and he told them yes, he had fired the fbi director because of the russian investigation, that he us with feeling pressure because of the investigation and that firing the fbi director gave him hope that he would be
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relieved of that pressure from that investigation. that's what happened the last time the president met with russian officials. and also, remember, he got played too. remember for that meeting the white house refused to let any american media into the oval office to cover that meeting. but trump did let the russians persuade him to let the russians to bring in their own official russian photographer with his own equipment into the oval office, after which they admitted they had no idea that the photographer worked for a russian news agency and would publish all of the photos. a white house official told the washington post thereafter, quote, we were not informed by the russians that their official photographer was dual headed and would be releasing the photographs on the state news agency. cnn's jim acosta got a white house official to speak much more bluntly on the subject.
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this was his tweet. quote, white house furious over the russian government photos of trump meeting with lavrov kislyak. they tricked us. an official said. they tricked us. they lie. so it went awesome the last time the president met with russians. so know he's going to meet with vladimir putin tomorrow. the people in the room beside trump and putin and two translators in that meeting will be rex tillerson, who was personally awarded the order of friendship by vladimir putin for his friendship to the nation of russia. the only other person beside him will be sergey lavrov last seen receiving code word top intelligence from trump in the oval office and allowing into the oval office a russian photographer and his bag full of electronic equipment. so it will be just the four of them, making sure america's interest are protected in the face of russia's recent attacks on the country.
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sure, that should go fine. richard engel joins live from hamburg next. ♪ [brother] any last words? [boy] karma, danny... ...karma! [vo] progress is seizing the moment. your summer moment awaits you, now that the summer of audi sales event is here. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the summer of audi sales event. so find a venus smooth that contours to curves, the smoother the skin, the more comfortable you are in it. flexes for comfort, and has a disposable made for you. skin smoothing venus razors.
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the energy conscious whopeople among usle? say small actions can add up to something... humongous. a little thing here. a little thing there. starts to feel like a badge maybe millions can wear. who are all these caretakers, advocates too? turns out, it's californians it's me and it's you. don't stop now, it's easy to add to the routine. join energy upgrade california and do your thing. richard engel is nbc's chief foreign correspondent. and forgive me for saying so, but he is better at being a foreign correspondent than anybody else in this business in this country. he is the best of his generation. you can drop richard engel anywhere in the world and he will intrepidly hunt out the
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most news wore think thing that's happening there. and when the most important news in the world is happening in a place you are not supposed to drop a foreign correspondent, he is the kind of guy who has been known to get himself there any way to get the story. as a young man who did not speak arabic, richard moved to cairo alone, figured he would pick up the language. he did. when the iraq war started, he came to baghdad on his own stream, started covering it alone. as a stringer. when i started at msnbc, he started tutoring me on the subtleties of the middle east, and central asia, mostly in bars with hand drawn maps he would make for me on cocktail napkins. i'm not ashamed to admit. when it was time for me to do reporting in iraq and afghanistan, it was richard who hooked me up with his local knowledge, access to sources and language. on this show, richard has been
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our interlockar of all things international that has been fascinating always and also been terrifying. like the days after he and his crew got kidnapped. because of that i am psyched to tell you that richard engel has a new special that he's doing right here, this network this hour tomorrow night, called "richard engel" on assignment. it preemeers tomorrow night here. and tonight richard is at the site of the g-20 with donald trump and vladimir putin are meeting in just a few hours. and richard joining us now. richard, i am so happy we have finally got this new series launched. congratulations, my friend. >> we've been talking about this for a long time. i'm really excited about it. thank you, rachel. it's going to be interesting. we'll start with this one on russia, on this meeting between trump and putin and we have others in the works.
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>> tell me about what is going to be in the special tomorrow. obviously the trump-putin meeting is in just a few hours at the g-20 meeting in hamburg where you are. what are you looking at in terms of the first in this series tomorrow night? >> so the way this show, this series is going to work is it will look at a specific subject, in this case it's russia and the u.s. pegged to this meeting, this summit between putin and trump. and it try to look at the issues around it. how does it work? we've heard so much about russia, we've heard so much about the u.s. elections. you've covered it so much in your show. we went to russia. we went to talk to people who are directly involved in this. we went to several different countries in fact. we're in ukraine. crisscrossed the globe to try to find out more. so what we're going to be looking at in this special is how do you understand russia. what is russia after. what is russia's game. what does vladimir putin hope to
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do with all -- what is he up to. and that's what this special really tries to look into. the why of the story. and then you know we're working on another one. i was just in baghdad the other day and -- in mosul, excuse me, about the offensive there. we'll be doing a combination of some front line reporting and jumping from issue to issue, story to story. and i think your audience has clearly shown that they want to hear more about complex issues around the world. >> and you have also sparked something of an insane and difficult for me fight among all of my producers who want to work with you on these damn things. thank you for making my life much more exciting. because we're doing this. but also on a day to day basis a little more difficult like you always do. >> i'm glad that your show didn't just blow up, that you
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didn't step on the land mine sent to your inbox. >> i know. richard, something else happened today that i want to ask you about. do you mind sticking around for one more minute before we let you go? >> absolutely. >> we'll be right back with richard engel. stay with us. (woman vo) is now a good time
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favorite tv network would be hand selected and installed in office by trump donald trump's treasury secretary. it would be one of the follow-up questions on election night. trump has won the election. steve mnuchin who will you put in charge of nbc news and cnn and the "the new york times." that is not the way it works here, praise jesus and the founding fathers. but in poland that has recently become not a thought experiment. last night we started talking about the radical change in government that preceded this visit by president trump today to poll land. very conservative right wing nationalist party came to power in poland less than two years ago. did all sorts of things the to consolidate in themselves all forms of political power. they removed the secret services, took over the supreme court. put their finance minister in charge of hiring and firing at media outlets in poland and they didn't make up some high-minded
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reason for that change. the president said he signed that law about who's running media companies because all of those dark journalists were biassed against him so they had to go. they just kept going. trying on a new rule to limit the number of journalists who would be allowed into the parliament. those who were allowed in to cover the parliament would have to stay in a special room and not go out into the halls where they might run into a special lawmaker and no one would be allowed to film or take pictures. this sparked a backlash of protests and a block aid of the parliamentary hall by opposition. the ruling party eventually, they scrapped if plan saying the plan was intended to help journalists organize their work better. that's nice. and you know it's one thing, you
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know, whether or not you care about poland. but today, after in recent weeks senate republicans here briefly tried to institute a plan where american journalists would be no longer allowed to interview anybody in the halls of the u.s. senate. after a few weeks press briefings stopped all together at the state department, and journalists have been restricted from using their cameras and audio cameras at white house briefings. today our president went topo land where they've had radical curtailment of the press and standing beside the polish president, our american president joined him in attacking the press. >> they have been fake news for a long time. they've been covering me in a very dishonest way. do you have that also, by the way, mr. president? >> see that face the polish president made. in polish that face means we did have that, mr. president, then then we fired all of the journalists. you should try it. used to have that problem.
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in any year before this year's poland's media crackdown is the kind of thing that you would expect a visiting american president in poland to raise a big stink about. not to make common cause with. still with us a is nbc chief foreign correspondent, richard engel. thank you for sticking around. i wanted to ask you about this part of the presidential visit today to poll land. as a journalist who works around the world in inhospitable places, do you think it matters materially when an american president says stuff like that in a venue like that. does it have an impact or is it just noise? >> i think it has an enormous impact. if you remember when president trump got elected, and i'm sure you do, the first most effusive reactions to come in were from countries like poland, the far right government there, the far right government in hungary, far right leader like marine le pen,
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the brexit movement in the u.k. they thought they had a new member of the club. they thought the u.s. now has someone just like us, sympathetic to our cause. whereas the sort of let's call them other european countries were somewhat diplomatic. but in private, in private conversations i had with them, their hair was on fire. it does matter when you have the u.s. president come and share the stage with the government, with a country who is tearing apart press freedom and skort of sort of jokes about how is the press going in your country. i think it sends an absolutely loud and clear message of encouragement that this kind of behavior is not only tolerable, but it's something that the united states and the u.s. president encourages. >> and richard, looking ahead to the g-20 and to obviously everybody is very much focused on that bilateral meeting between trump and putin which is
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going to happen in just a few hours, what do you think we should be looking for in terms of the way trump is received on the stage tomorrow from that important bilateral meeting but in general at the summit, in terms of america's role in the world and how it's changed under this president, what are you going to be watching for? >> reporter: i want to watch the statements that come out of the meeting between putin and trump. you brought up a tiny example but i think a really revealing one. lavrov, the russian foreign minister was in the oval office and then suddenly the russians released the photograph which the white house really didn't want to release. and i would be curious to know if tomorrow there will be dual releases. the u.s. will release some summary of what happened during the meeting and the russians will as well. i want to see who goes further. and if the russians go further and further and start laying out all of the things that they supposedly agreed upon, will the
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u.s. push back? will president trump say we didn't do that or will that become policy. will he get played. that's one of the things i want to see about. because there could be some very big statements there. and if this is not -- this is not the policy that trump agrees to, he's going to have to go out and say no, putin lied. so we will see. >> richard engel, the host of the brand-new series "on assignment with richard engel" which starts tomorrow night, 9:00 eastern msnbc. thank you so much. i'm super psyched for tomorrow. thank you for being here tonight. >> reporter: until tomorrow. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. leaving you, wesle. but why? you haven't noticed me in two years. i was in a coma. well, i still deserve appreciation. who was there for you when you had amnesia? you know i can't remember that. stop this madness. if it's appreciation you want you should both get snapshot from progressive. it rewards good drivers with big discounts on car insurance.
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we reported last week on the president's new commission on election integrity. it's been making a lot of news over the past few days because the person in charge of it, kris kobach, and his decision to send this letter to elections officials in all 50 states asking those elections officials to give up personal information for every single voter registered to vote in all of those states. for every voter in every state he wants full names, addresses, date of birth, political party, the last four digits of your social security number, your voting history back to 2006. pretty much everything short of what you ate for breakfast every day you ever voted and whether or not you liked it. should all of those pieces of information really all be collated in one convenient place for everybody in the country? really? before today, even as there has
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been increasing upset over that request to the states, before today it had been an open question as to what exactly the white house intended to do with all this data, where they planned to keep all of this super personal information about every single voter in america. today we got our answer. "washington post" reports according to kris kobach all that voter information for every voter in the country will be stored on white house computers under the direction of a member of the vice president's staff. well, that's fine then. this past year we now know an attack that continued right up until days before the election, russian hackers tried to access voter data from individual states. they successfully broke into multiple states registration systems. that is a scary thing to hear about in terms of the integrity of our elections. what's always been the silver lining here, the thing that
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makes elections so hard to do in this country is that every state has its own system, their own database where they store all their sensitive information about their voters in different ways. hackers would have to crack 50 different systems. that's been a safeguard thus far. and the feeling that that safeguard might be endangered is what's been rumbling underneath this news that the white house wants to put all that information about every single voter in all 50 states all in one place on a white house server. what could possibly go wrong? depending on how you count it, somewhere between 14 and 45 states have already said they will not turn over some or all of that data to kris kobach's office and mike pence's laptop. it's been an amazing, even entertaining scene to watch the responses from various states trying to sound more resistant and more upstanding in refusing to hand over their voters' personal information. but even as that has unfolded, something else happened the day
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nit's softer than ever. new charmin ultra soft is softer than ever so it's harder to resist. okay, this is getting a little weird enjoy the go with charmin before the 2000 election florida, under then governor jeb bush, paid a private company to purify florida's voter rolls. eliminate duplicates and take off dead people or felons who were on the rolls. the resulting list was full of mistakes. the state ended up wrongly purging thousands of people off the rolls who say should have been allowed to vote. disproportionately they purged african-american voters. because this was florida in 2000, because jeb's brother wound up winning by 537 votes the decision could have swayed not just the results in florida but arguably the presidency. that's where the white house's new pop-up election commission comes in. the same day that a letter went
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out from the white house's new commission to all 50 states asking for voter information from everybody who has voted in every state, this letter also went out not from kris kobach and the pop-up commission but from the justice department. state election officials got this from the justice department informing them that justice is reviewing voter registration list maintenance procedures in each state to make sure states are in compliance with the law that decides who should be kicked off the voter rolls. justice department tells the states to explain how they're going to kick people off the rolls in every state in the country. we talked to officials in rhode island and california who told us that the justice department letter was a total surprise, out of nowhere. people who track this sort of thing say the letter is unprecedented. they're calling it a directive from the federal government to start purging voters off the rolls. it appears that the justice department is laying the groundwork for a lawsuit if states refuse. this is one to keep an eye on. we have seen big purges of the voting rolls before and we have seen it go very, very wrong. whether or not there is a
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national effort to push for that sort of thing, we do not know, but watch this space. the department of justice pushing for that, again, is unprecedented and we don't know how this is going to work out. watch this space. that does it for us tonight. for months, people have been watching to see if president trump would pivot. >> we have been discussing various things and it's going very well. >> the learned the president did confront putin for meddling in the u.s. election. >> a robust and lengthy exchange on the subject. >> sergey lavrov coming out and saying president trump accepted putin's denial. >> he accepts the things that putine mr. putin has said. >> administration sources telling me that's not accurate. >> bear in mind unless it was tillerson himself, that person was not in the room. >> just yesterday, president trump cast doubt on the allegations regarding ru


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