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that's the issue here. >> well special prosecutor might wake them up. tim o'brien gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. the breaking news we are "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. >> breaking news we are covering tonight on the trumps and russia. the e-mails of donald trump jr. that show he's known for over a year that the russian government wanted to help his father's candidacy. and was offered damaging information on hillary clinton. to which he eagerly replied "i love it." the storm inside the white house described tonight as a category 5 hurricane. among our guests a key member of the senate intelligence committee, a trump campaign adviser, and a former watergate prosecutor as the 11th hour gets under way. good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york. day 173 of the trump administration. today came a big change. a string of e-mails showing a
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trump campaign willing to let the russian government help win them the election. after three days of headlines and under threat of reading them first in the "new york times" donald trump jr., the president's eldest son, released a chain of e-mails from and to his british contact rob goldstone saying a russian official could provide official documents and information that would incriminate hillary and would be very useful to your father. the high level and sensitive information is part of russia and its government's support for mr. trump. in his initial reply, don junior says, if it's what you say, i love it. especially later in the summer. a short time ago, donald trump jr. was on fox news with sean hannity. >> someone sent me an e-mail. i can't help what someone sends me. i read it, responded accordingly. if there was something interesting there, it's pretty common. there was probably bait and
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switch what it was supposed to be about. so there is nothing there. >> do you tell your father anything about this? >> no. it was such a nothing. there was nothing to tell. i wouldn't even have remembered it till you start scouring through the stuff. it was a wasted 20 minutes which was a shame. >> you heard the president's son say there was nothing there. it was such a nothing, there was nothing to tell. the president's sons has over the last four days offered shifting explanations for all of this. today, with the e-mail threat released, a statement from don junior that reads in part "the information they suggested they had about hillary clinton i thought was political opposition research. as we have said she had no information to provide and wanted to talk about adoption policy." also note with don junior's multiple statements so far, his claim that he asked jared and paul, that would be man for the, to attend but told them nothing of the substance. the problem with that is, the
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e-mail chain released today shows he forwarded the entire exchange to both paul man for the and jared kushner. the e-mail's subject line "russia clinton private and confidential." critics of this white house say this is now clear evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and the kremlin, something president trump has denied repeatedly for months. >> there is no collusion and everybody has said and i think you will admit that, there is no collusion between me and my campaign and the russians. they're all saying there is no collusion. there is no collusion. >> precisely. >> i'd like it to move fast, if possible. i'll tell you what i really want. there is no collusion. we have nothing to do with russia and everything else. >> there is no collusion between certainly myself and my campaign but i can only speak for myself and russians, zero. believe me, there's no collusion. there was no collusion, and everybody even my enemies have
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said, there is no collusion. no collusion. no obstruction. no collusion, no obstruction. >> there has been no collusion. there has been leaking by comey. virtually everybody agrees to that. >> right now, this is all happening in darkness. more often than not lately and again today, we're not able to see the white house briefing. coupled with the president with no public schedule for three days and this is dark by any modern standard. through sarah huckabee sanders, the president said this had today. "my son is a high quality person, and applaud his transparency." now that the president can no longer claim that russian collusion is a ruse or a sham or a witch hunt or fake news, there's no way to know where we are headed. as for our starting panel tonight, let's bring them in. a mini white house press corps,
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peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times." his latest piece sharing a by line with maggie haberman tonight carries the headline "rancor at white house as russia story refuses to let the page turn." ashley parker white house reporter from "the washington post." her latest with philip rucker. category 5 hurricane, white house under siege by trump junior's russia revelations. and vivian salama white house reporter for the "associated press" is looking ahead tonight her headline is about the president's next overseas trip which we should remember begins tomorrow. trump storms paris for bastille day. welcome to all of you. peter baker, this was a story your paper broke. i'll ask you first, house big a story was this today in the whole scope of the russia collusion story we've been covering? >> well, i think it is a big story because it does sort of
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undercut the defense that there was no collusion, not only at a very minimum we learned from these e-mails there was a willingness if not even an eagerness on the part of the president's son to receive information that he was told anyway would be incriminating and directly from what was described as a russian government lawyer on behalf of the russian government that was supporting his father. one of the things that's interesting about these e-mails as you read them is that they leave very little ambiguity. there's not a lot of room for misconstruing the meaning here. the lawyer coming to meet him was described as a russian government lawyer. she didn't technically work for the government but described that way to him. that was what he understood. it was said very clearly it was to incriminate hillary. that was the phrase, that it was the russian government supporting his father and donald trump jr. very clearly says i love it. there's not a lot of room for argument as there often is with e-mails that become public from a politician kind of situation.
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that's what's fascinating about this. >> peter, i want to ask you both you and ashley about the atmospherics you report on tonight. you describe a traveling white house in some disarray as they're coming back from the g-20 trying to draft a statement to explain away these e-mails. the statement of course, goes awry in the public domain and gets changed right up till today. you also describe among staff members a circular firing squad. >> yeah, and it's very interesting. if you ask people in the white house and around the white house part of this team to describe the events of the last few days, first of all you get different versions depending who you talk to, either donald trump jr. is described as being agitating to be a more -- to give a more full explanation from the beginning or the opposite depending who you talk to. you hear people saying really this is jared's fault, jared kushner's fault or marc kasowitz is out with the president.
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all these people inside now are turning their guns on each other because it's a very damaging story and it's a very tense time. they feel under siege. they feel like they can't seem to escape the story no matter how much they try. even the meeting with vladimir putin only seemed to continue encouraging discussion of it. >> ashley, then there is gripping account you and mr. rucker write about the west wing tonight. give viewers the benefit of your reporting what you're hearing about the machinations inside. >> sure. a lot of it is what peter just said which this is a white house that even in the best of times sort of mistrusts and suspicion is a core cultural value. now there is a ton of finger pointing and and one of the key things you hear senior white house officials talking about is not how to deal with this crisis as much as who leaked what to who and who is to blame. there's something they're trying
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to get to the box internally. there's a tremendous amount of frustration. they did feel perhaps correctly the president had a good trip abroad that he could come back and ride the wave of that. they wanted to be focused on health care and other issues they think are good for him politically, good for the base like trade. they are deeply frustrated and exasperated that russia again is this issue and this black cloud that keeps on including and overshadowed everything in this west wing one more time. >> ashley a follow-up. i don't know if it's answerable exactly. do you have any sense that the president's sadness is over the story in chief and the fact that the meeting has happened, the fact that it shuts down a line of argument and defense and the fact that it implicates his eldest son or is the president's problem with it the negative story that the story in chief makes? >> well, i think to be clear, from what we've heard he's not frustrated with his name sang's son.
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he is more sort of angry about the fact of the story, the fact that it adds some real credibility to this stuff that as you just played he's dismissed time and time again. also that it overshadows his agenda. it was described to us as something he views as just the next chapter in this ongoing russia saga and the next chapter entraps or involves a member of his family. >> vivian, we're going to talk about this during a later segment on tonight's broadcast with an advisor to trump. but there's mike pence today, the vice president for the first time in my memory at least put out a statement, the take away of which condensed into english is i just want to remind you all there was a time i didn't have anything to do with anyone named trump. and vivian, it's startling to see. >> absolutely. at the off camera briefing we had later on, the white house briefing sarah huckabee sanders went out of her way to assure
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reporters that actually the relationship between the vice president and the president is solid that they remain very close and aren't trying to create a distance or mike pence is not trying to create distance from the president. this is something that's lingering. they're trying to cover it up any way they possibly can. but it's obvious there is this sense emerging that mike pence now vice president mike pence wants to protect himself. whether or not there's something to protect himself from. it's making people nervous who are working in this administration. and you know, to kind of talk about something that ashley was saying just now is that you know, one of president trump's frustrations is that people in his administration haven't been able to kind of come to his rescue. you see this coming up a lot where it's not only the fact that he wants to kind of carry out his agenda but he wants his administration especially his inner circle to make this go away so that he can focus on that and kind of get in the good
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graces of you know, the american people and kind of carry on with that. it doesn't seem to be happening. a lot of his frustration not only is directed at the media but his inner circle that can't seem to protect him from this and get this narrative moving forward. >> we saw tillerson and mnuchin come to his aid this weekend only to be reversed by presidential tweets in both of their areas. we also haven't seen anyone notable resign. peter you just mentioned the attorney kasowitz of new york, the pro from manhattan. the president brought in to clean things up. he is a critical player in your piece as either perhaps under a cloud of resignation or firing but may not last. how is that true? >> well, what we're told is that marc kasowitz, the lawyer and his legal team feel frustrated that you know, they've been boxed out to some extent by the family particularly by jared kushner.
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there are decisions being made, conversations are being had that don't involve the lawyers and that in their view don't necessarily reflect the views of their client the president so much as the interests of the president's son-in-law or his family. there is talk among them that you know, this can't go on. this is not a good way for a lawyer to operate. that doesn't mean necessarily there's good-b going to be a change. whether or not mr. kasowitz might finally take his leave and move on or that might be a way of getting the president's attention to improve the situation they have right now with their client. >> ashley, i know you're not going to give up any of the dozen sources in your piece tonight. but answer a question that's been ricocheting around our newsroom today. just because of the nature of these e-mails how plainly things are stated. donald trump jr. not reacting with any surprise to the content of the e-mail.
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who in the white house and you can name broad job categories if you must, who is motivated to leak against the president's oldest son and you see now the damage to the entire operation this has caused. who? >> well, i have to tell you that is the key question that not only are a lot of reporters trying to figure out but a lot of west wing aides are trying to figure out because this is not just a leak or a disclosure that daniels don junior but also damages jared kushner who was on that e-mail chain and in that meeting. it also daniels paul man for the. and frankly, even if there was someone who for whatever reason wanted to hurt the president's oldest son don junior, this also hurts the president because it thrusts russia back into the media and it just makes very clear that the key question, was
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the trump campaign potentially willing and eager to accept the help of a foreign government. it sort of answers that question as don junior said, i love it, yeah, i'm more than happy to do that. >> vivian, you remind us that it will fall to someone to brief the president over the next 36 hours as to what the french call the -- what is known in english as the french revolution. he is leaving tomorrow to be hosted by one of his chief critics in europe, macron of france. how is that going to work? >> it's definitely going to be interesting with the news breaking especially because macron, one of his primary targets has been russia in terms of being outspoken against russian meddling in elections across europe. he claimed that russian interfered in the french election in an effort to assist his opponent marine le pen. that is something that has been on his mind.
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he's been very outspoken about it. the first guest macron actually had to paris was president putin. he was very outspoken to him even in a public press conference speaking out against syria's assistance -- russia's assistance to the syrian president in terms of use of chemical weapons and against its election meddling. with that backdrop and trump now coming with these revelations of his son, you know, discussing possible conversations with russian government lawyer, it's definitely going to lend for a very uncomfortable conversations. then again, there are a number of uncomfortable conversations inevitably going to happen between these two ranging from climate to immigration. the white house really just wanting to focus on security and defense because they feel that is where the u.s./french relationship is strongest even under the current circumstances and it helps helps them to ignore what's going on back home. >> well, gang, deep thanks on a busier than usual day to our
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guests and our initial panel tonight. from the times," peter baker of the writing partnership baker and haberman. from the "post," ashley parker of the writing partnership rooker and parker, and from the organization that gives us on a daily basis the first draft of history, the "associated press," our friend vivian salama. thank you all. coming up, just what kind of legal problems, if any, does this news pose for donald trump jr. jared kushner, and perhaps others? our panel of attorneys weighs in on that next. the future isn't silver suits and houses on mars,
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welcome back to the 11th hour". in this time of lawyering up in washington as lawyers looked over these e-mails shared by donald trump jr. today, we heard some call it collusion. some used tougher language. others said today not so fast. let's pump the brakes on this. we have three lawyers on an of counsel basis to us. joe wine banks, one of the special prosecutors during watergate. general council to the u.s. army, joyce vance a federal prosecutor. she spent almost eight years as a u.s. attorney, was among the first appointed by president obama. and we welcome to the broadcast tonight david oh lean, advice dean at cornell law school. he specializes in international criminal law and yentz, thank you. it was your quote we saw today that got you noticed and i need you to expand upon it.
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this was given by you to vox news today. it's a shocking admission of a criminal conspiracy. i want to hear you out on this. i know collusion all by itself bracketed off per se is not illegal. i know that lying to the american people is not illegal. what is this is that's illegal? >> that's right, brian. what's illegal is conspiracy which is or solicitation to sort of companion concepts in criminal law which sort of take place when a group of individuals agree to commit a crime or when one individual asks another individual to commit a crime. i think what the e-mail screams for me is a conspiracy to violate federal election law. that's the real sort of key idea here. there is under the federal law an absolute prohibition on federal foreign contributions to an election campaign in the united states.
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and i think what's key here is that a contribution can be a monetary contribution or it can be anything else of value. and that includes assistance and to put it bluntly, damaging information or dirt on hillary clinton is something of value. in fact, it was extremely valuable to the trump campaign. and if there was a conspiracy or solicitation to get that information, if donald trump jr. wanted that information and those e-mails show he wanted that information, to me that's a very prominent conspiracy or a solicitation to violate federal election law. >> put another way, if you're mueller, let's just say the clock had to stop today. you could learn nothing else than what we can already imagine mueller has learned. is there a case to be made against one or more individuals in this crowd? >> absolutely. absolutely. i don't think there even has to be a causal connection.
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there doesn't have to be a result from this meeting. i don't think the prosecutor or mueller would need to establish a sort of close connection between the meeting and then a kind of resulting you know, pieces of information that were then turned over to donald trump jr. this would be incoity cop spircy and solicitation. it's the attempt to violate federal election law that is the crime. in those e-mails alone if they are an accurate description of his state of mind and of what happened during those meetings, that's a crime. >> to joyce vance, counselor, when you hear about infighting among the lawyers in the white house, other than being happy you're not one of them, what does it tell you that the president's personal lawyer from manhattan is right now, if you believe tonight's "new york times" version, kind of on the outs in the circle of power?
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>> so no big surprise after the bombshell from the last couple of days, the information contained in these e-mails that there's infighting. we're now at a point in this investigation where it's clear that some of the key players and certainly kushner and donald trump injury have interests that diverge. so their lawyers will be talking with them about protecting themselves and i don't think it's at all surprising to see conflict emerge among the lawyer. in addition we have people in this administration who have been left out to dry, people like the press secretaries who have been out saying there's been no conversation between campaign and russia. and, of course, those people all now have fast track tickets for a meeting with special council mueller. and i'm sure that they're unhappy with the principles and with the lawyers that they've been hanging out in this manner. we saw vice president pence
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separate himself from the herd today. we're going to see a lot more of this dischofrd in days to come. ultimately, this may be the source of people who decide it's in their best interests to cooperate with the investigation. >> jill wine banks, do you concur? tell our audience about the enormous power of a muler to put his arp around any of these big name individuals and say let's talk about the boss and what you're facing. >> it's an enormous power and i think that he has a number of candidates for who is going to flip first. i want to add a few things to what the others have already said. and one is if we look at the first response from donald junior in that e-mail, he says, i love it. especially if it's later in the summer. and if you follow what happened, later in the summer is when they released when it was weaponized to do the most damage. it caused the resignation of deb he becauser man schultz, caused
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chaos in the democratic campaign and at the convention. there does seem to be a way to follow from this meeting in june to the july release of the tapes and to the damage it did. and that may make it an even worse case scenario. and it's not a surprise that the president's personal lawyer might be leaving the defense team because the president hasn't been following his advice anyway. he's been tweeting and doing damage to himself. so he may feel it's a losing case now. with this additional information and i agree with the professor that this is a case where you have a campaign violation, there is no excuse and when you look at the words, words matter. the language of this, yes, donald trump jr. lied to the public in his explanations for this meeting. that's not a crime. but meeting with a foreign adversary or a foreign national, it doesn't have to be the foreign government, just a foreign national is a crime. >> i wish we had more time on
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this day. that's why we don't have more time. joy wine-banks are, jens, thank you very much for being with us tonight. we'll agree to continue another night. up next, reaction to today's news from a member of the senate intelligence committee. our conversation when the 11th hour continues. ♪ only tylenol® rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. they release medicine fast, for fast pain relief. tylenol®
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welcome back to our broadcast today. we heard some senators refer to donald j. trump junior's e-mail as treason. another senator said at minimum, it proves criminal intent. well, earlier this even, i spoke with maine's independent senator angus king. notably a member of the senate intelligence committee and i started by asking his view of just how big today's development was. >> well, i think it's a big development for sure. but i want to put it in the context of the work we're doing on committee. i'm not going to be an arm chair prosecutor. i'm going to leave a lot of that work to mr. mueller. i think he's capable of that and he's going to be following up on this story for sure. i think the bigger message here is that the trump campaign knew that you russia was involved in trying to help donald trump win the election as early as june of 2016. and the sort of casual way where
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donald trump jr. got this e-mail said we've got information from the russian government that is involved in trying to help your father win the election, he e-mails back we'll set a meeting up and it sounds like, i can't remember the exact words but he said i love it. maybe for later in the summer. i mean all of these denials, all of this you know, this is a lie, as the a witch hunt, there's nothing to it had, it just goes out the window with this revelation. donald trump jr. was on television at the time of the democratic national convention, went on and on how it was all a tissue of lives and the democrats lost their moral compass and it was all trying to defeat his father. yet a month before he's -- he knows that the russians are involved in this project, if you will. >> what does this do to your investigation and i am assuming donald trump jr. has earned himself a seat at the witness
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table across from you. >> there's no question that we want to talk to him as soon as possible. and i think, the other piece though is we need to understand what more is there. is this the tip of an information iceberg or is this an isolated event? one of the other disturbing things about this was the sort of casual nature of these e-mails back and forth referring to a russian guy that he had a connection with by his first name. and they mentioned this lawyer as a russian government lawyer and for the last three or four days, we've gotten all this -- these denials saying we don't know who she was or who she represented. we didn't know her name. in the e-mail, she was referred to as a government lawyer. so yes, we def want to talk to him. he's expressed a willingness to do so. i hope that can be done as soon as possible. i think it should be done in open session. i don't see anything classified
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in this discussion. i think the american people again need to understand what the russians did so we can prevent it from happening again. they will be back. and that's really what bothers me. >> and finally on this topic, what does any or all of this tell you about our level of compromise, our president's level of compromise, walking into a meeting like the bilateral in germany with putin? >> well, it's troubling because one of the techniques in the trade craft of this espionage game is to offer somebody something and then if they take it, you have your hooks into them. and they're subject to being influenced in an improper way. and that's one of the problems. when that e-mail came from saying that we have information and it said it from the russian government, the response should have been number one, no, and number two, get me the fbi. instead, we'll set up the
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meeting. what transpired at that meeting is almost irrelevant because of the willingness to enter into this kind of discussion with the russian government when it said right in it it's part of their effort to help your father win the election. that's very troubling. > i assume you were up home during the fourth of july break. i further assume that the constituents you talk to might have been more interested in any future hikes in their health care premiums and where that care was going to come from than they were the russian matter. would that be a correct assumption? >> that is a correct assumption, brian. had i an experience i've never had. i've marched in a lot of parades and never been in a parade before where people lobbied me on an issue. i marched with susan collins in the eastport, m, fourth of july parade. there were 10,000 people there. you go down the row and shake hands and slap, give five to the
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kids. a significant number of people came over to me during that time, they took my hand. sometimes they took both my hands and said save our health care. i've never had that happen before. i think susan collins had exactly the same experience. this is what's on people's mind. there's no question. this bill that we've been hearing about for the last couple of weeks, it was drafted in secret, is terrible. and will be terrible for the people of this country. now, i hear there's another secret bill coming out later this week. and you know, this process could be a lot more open if we had a lot of people involved and having input. think of this, brian, have hearings, have discussion, have debate instead of springing a bill on us and then hoping for a vote a couple days later. it back fired two weeks ago. i believe and hope that's going to happen again because maybe if that happens again, we can start having some serious discussions about how to fix the affordable
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care act. i'm ready. >> senator angus king from maine. thank you so much for your type tonight. >> thank you, brian. and how about the people in eastport maine who managed to get both of their senators to their july 4th parade. well done, eastport, m. another break for us. when we come back, we'll talk to among other people a trump campaign adviser on just how big an impact today has had.
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welcome back to our broadcast. we continue our conversation about what happened today. and joining us now, barry bennett, former senior adviser to the trump campaign. he now runs a lobbying. barry, you've always been an honest broker with us. if you were advising these folks tonight and for all i know you have, what would your advice be
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after what has to be called a bombshell story in the length of the russia collusion story. >> first of all, i haven't. but i've been a campaign manager most of my adult life. and you would never take a meeting like that. that's where mistake was made. they took this meeting. no one apparently at the campaign thought it was a bad idea. it was a horrible idea. but the good news is, while it's caused a tremendous storm, and frankly some wild, wild speculation around town, nothing happened at the meeting. there was no information given. there was no information taken. there was no follow-ups. there was nothing. it was a woman who made a bunch of false pretenses to get a meeting. she got it and nothing happened. the speculation your lawyer panel had on before the break where the final lawyer said it was illegal to meet with a foreign national which is
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preposterous, laughable, this kind of speculation is neither fact-based nor based in reality. so you know, this has been a bad day for the trump administration, no doubt. but in the end, nothing happened. no smoking gun here. >> matt to keep this in the fact-based realm, we have no proof that nothing happened because we have just this one e-mail chain and it's early in the process. matt, i want to know what it's like in the west wing and what it's like at a briefing where all the reporters, especially in our medium have to stop their work, turn off the lights and cameras so that the briefing can begin by a public servant in a place where we the taxpayers are paying the light bill. >> well, and then on top of that, the briefing that did take place today which as you said was off camera provided almost no information. sarah sanders just repeatedly when pressed on the issue at hand of donald junior and russia
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copied to say i'm not going to talk about that, and referred questions to outside counsel. which is a different strategy than we saw yesterday when she was happy to come out and say there was no collusion whatsoever. what we're seeing is a continued moving of the goal post. we're hearing nothing happened at the meet pmg we heard earlier, the meeting had nothing to do with hillary. we heard before that, we never met with any russians. it's interesting to ethis continued movement away from you know, anything that happened here when clearly, there is something here. and i think, i do agree that today was a horrible day for the trump white house. >> barry, rhetorically, what's the cudgel that's been taken away from the trump team i guess is it no longer two, call it fake news or a ruse or a scam or a witch hunt. what's your after the fact advice other than don't take the meeting, we can't go back and correct that. what's your after the fact advice for a president who, remember, leaves again tomorrow
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night on a foreign trip. >> first, full and quick disclosure of everything is the pr strategy here. but you know, frankly, they're being helped by folks like tim kaine who use the word treason and that kind of stuff. that turns this into both sides saying ridiculous things. it's not helpful to anybody. the left is giving them all the ammunition they need to call it a witch hunt, frankly and hopefully director mueller will get to the bottom of in. everyone will take their testimony and we'll find out what's there. some of the irresponsible charges on the left are really, really outrageous. >> we'll have you back and keep talking about it. gentlemen, thank you very much. our next break, we'll talk about health care and what the future possibilities are around real legislation with a chance in light of today. that and more when we come back. introducing listerine® zero alcohol™. it delivers a whole mouth clean
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there are other things that we have to do. we only have a limited number of days left. we intend to fully utilize the first two weeks in august. we're going to do as much as we possibly can do for the american people. >> majority leader mitch mcconnell of kentucky confident a new version of the senate republican health care bill will be ready by next week. now he's announced he's holding the senate in session. can you believe it, an extra two weeks and delaying their summer break to work on health care and other legislation. but a member of his own party is hinting at a plan that involves reaching out to democrats. >> i think the bill that's before us is dead but there's an
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emerging new approach that i will talk to you about in the next 24 to 48 hours that i think may actually work. and i've never felt better than i do right now about the republican party coming together around an idea that may actually attract a handful of democrats. >> bracingly effusive from senator graham. joining us tonight, kelsey snell back with us from her job at congressional reporter for "the washington post." her latest reporting is on mcconnell delaying this august recess to complete work on health care. matt nussbaum has been kind enough to agree to stay with us. so kelsey, i think i've actually asked this question before. which members of the house or senate with an "r" after their names especially those up in 18 are going to put out for this president and that's really what the relationship has to be at this point wounded as he is,
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consumed by russia, six months into his presidency? >> yeah, the thing that we are watching very closely right now is how those people who are up in '18 and how moderates and conservatives on either poll of the republican party are going to react when we see the bill on thursday. we still don't know what is going to be in this bill and we're not totally certain the leaders know what's going on in this bill. we're told they're still working out the details. some things like whether or not to keep these tax increases part of the aca for six more years, that seems to be con i think it gent on whether or not they make cuts elsewhere. we're at the last little bit of the negotiation where there's horse trading. it's single vote single vote trying to get the 50 votes they need. >> what is senator graham talking about? it sounds exciting. >> i would caution that by
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partship may not be quite as easy as senator graham is suggesting there. what some people suggest is that there could be a bipartisan fix to some of the marketplace reforms. making changes to make the marketplaces more stable. there haven't been a lot of concrete ideas what that would look like. democrats are not willing to come to the table until this idea of repeal is completely gone. they want to see this fail and want to hear republicans officially mitch mcconnell say we are done with repeal before they open up the conversation what they're going to do about fixing or working with republicans. >> so matthew, i'll ask you sarcastically. i assume the president has canceled his trip to france and he's going to stay back and personally lobby members of the senate and work on the granular details of health care? >> for mitch mcconnell and republicans in the senate, it probably is helpful to have the president leaving right now and head out on this trip because each day he's here, it seems
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like it's more distractions coming out on the russia front. this gives mcconnell a little bit of breathing room with the president away. i don't think the occasional tweet or occasional phone call from the president so far has move the needle. it's tough to see where he comes up with the political capital with the key people here both on the right and the more moderate republicans who control the fate of this bill. >> 15 seconds i'll give to each of you. matthew, other than health care, can you name a single legislative initiative, one of the big ones, taxes, infrastructure that you think will be signed, sealed, delivered when we draw 2017 to a close? matthew, you first. >> it's so hard to predict. i think if they can't get health care done which is probably 50/50, i don't think they'll get infrastructure or taxes done either. >> kelsey. >> i agree. i don't know how can get either done. you'll have principles for tax reform that come out this month and that might be it.
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>> we call them like we see them around here. thank you both very much for being a part of our discussion tonight. one more break for us and when we come back, some of the troubling headlines that surfaced today. if you're watching from the trump white house and what one veteran republican has been forced to do tonight. ♪ there are spots here... i know i have spots. sunscreen...
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of our drummers were given some of the night off. last thing before we go tonight has to do with another wild day in the brief but harrowing history of a white house consumed by russia. today's story the e-mails people could read for themselves. it was stark and it led to some stark headlines. politico, trump junior delivers smoking gun to mueller. "the washington post" a revelation unlike any other in the russia investigation. and just tonight from "new york times" opinion columnist frank bruni, mini donald's major fail. the president's dim namesake just made things much worse. it's a lot and tonight, it proved too much for a lifelong republican who has decided to leave his party. he is a former three-term gop congressman from florida. better known around here as "morning joe." here now joe scarborough
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appearing tonight with stephen colbert. >> you have to ask yourself, what exactly is the republican party willing to do? how far are theytology go? how much of this country and our values are they willing to sell out? >> but aren't you a republican? >> i am a republican. but i'm not going to be a republican anymore. i've got to become an independent. and. >> that's how it happened. joe scarborough from tonight. i imagine we will hear more about it from joe and mika in the morning. on the subject, i will see you in the morning during the 9:00 a.m. hour eastern time as our live coverage gets under way of the confirmation hearings for trump's nominee to head the fbi. christopher wray. until then and for tonight, that is our tuesday night broadcast. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
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tonight -- >> this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. >> donald trump jr. gives up the game. >> there's no collusion between me and my campaign and the russians. >> the president's son releases a jaw-dropping e-mail showing attempted collusion with the russian government. >> this is time and time again, lie after lie. >> tonight, what did the president know and when did he know it? >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> what this revelation means for all three investigations. >> the e-mails, i think, made quite clear that the russian government had possession of damaging information. >> how the white house and republicans are reacting to a story they can no longer call fake news. >> this is a massive nothing burger. >> why this bombshell e-mail is already a factor in the trajectory of trump care in the


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