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have to wait and see, but experts believe once the chunk melts, we will see a rises in sea levels. wow, that's a big chunk of ice. and that will wrap things up for me this hour. i feel so far away from you today. >> yeah. you are far away from me. but, you know, i never know whether to wish you a good rest of your day or are you back anchoring later on? >> i'm not back anchoring later on today, but i am still working. >> enjoy the rest of your arch, katie. always my pleasure to see you. i'm going to quote some audrey help burn here. she says paris is always a good idea. but this afternoon that controversy has followed the president across the ocean 3,800 miles away. the leader of the free world only took one question from a fellow american at today's press conference. you could probably guess what it was about, his son. and now that infamous meeting with a kremlin linked lawyer in
the 2016 campaign is on that the president trump issued a full-throated, unambiguous defense. >> i think from a practical standpoint, most people would have taken that meeting. it's called opposition research or even research into your opponent. i've only been in politics for two years, but i've had many people call up, oh, gee, we have information on this factor or this person or, frankly, hill larry. that's very standard in politics. politics is not the nicest business in the world, but it's very standard where they have information and you take the information. in the case of don, he lifbld. i guess they talked about, as i see it, they talked about adoption and some things. adoption wasn't even a part of the campaign. but nothing happened from the meeting. zero happened from the meeting. and honestly, i think the press made a very big deal over something that really a lot of people would do.
>> the president made something of the fact that the meeting wasn't disclosed. right now they are about to attend dinner with the french president emmanuel macron at the eiffel tower. that sounds like fun. let's go to heal jackson. there's an eiffel tower hyped her, but she's working. great to see you. the president insists that his son's meeting with that lawyer not only was normal but something anybody would do. >> reporter: and that seems to be running counter or it is running counter to what we are hearing from political operatives on both sides of the aisle who say, yes, oppo research happens. people hold meetings to get dirt on their oents opponents, but not with foreign nationals, in particular russia and that is what has raised a lot of red flags and that is where so much of the scrutiny sh coming from on capitol hill with members of congress now very concerned, speaking openly about this, even on both sides of the aisle to a gree. the question on the hill has been would you have taken that
meeting and you see a real mix of answers on that. and so that was sort of the big news, that was the big headline coming out of the press conference, but there were plepty of others as well. on the syrian cease-fire, the president touting that. on climate change, both leaders basically agree to disagree. you also look at the situation president trump pressed about his past comments on this country. remember, during the campaign when there were attacks in paris, when there was that attack in niece a year ago tomorrow, a truck plowing through crowds of people on bass teal day killing dozens. it was a terror attack. the president talked about that. this is something that he also rirchsed today given that they talked about counter terror and how to handle syria. but one fairly blunt french reporter pressed the president on these comments. remember, the president in the past said paris isn't paris any more. he said that france is a disaster, referring to the
situation regarding national security in france. and he talked about remember on the campaign trail his friend jim. he said jim doesn't go to paris any more. he saysa go any more. well, this french reporter asked him about jim and asked him about the president's past comments pointedel saying would you repeat those words today? higher is the president's answer. >> you'd better let me answer that one first. that's a beauty. he's the one that asked the question that wasn't even one of my picks. you know what? it's going to be just fine because you have a great president. you have somebody that's going to run this country right, and i would be willing to bet, because i think this is one of the great cities, one of the most beautiful cities in the world, and you have a great leader now. you have a great president. you have a tough president. he's not going to be easy on people that are breaking the laws and people that show this tremendous violence. so i really have a feeling that you're going to have a very, very peaceful and beautiful
paris. and i'm coming back. you'd better do a good job, please, otherwise you're going to make me look very bad. >> and you're always welcome. >> wow. >> reporter: a little bit of a job there at the end to the french president. dinner happening in just a couple of minutes here, happening at a very swangy restaurant called jewels berg. it is elguidance upon elguidance, so i'll be thinking of it when i'm eating my beef engineer can i back in the office. >> always good to see you. i want to add a unique perspective to this. i want to welcome jane heartly. she's the united states most recent ambassador to france. good to see you again. >> you can't make this stuff up. this quote, you have someone who is going to run this country right. it is an implication that he used in the united states about the fact that things will be better and different, particularly on the terrorism front, because donald trump is in charge. and now things are going to be
better because francois holland apparently was inviting terrorism and emmanuel macron is not going to. at some point we have to just from a diplomatic approximate perspective call this rudimentary and somewhat nonsensical. >> i agree. i know emmanuel macron. i do agree with donald trump when he said i think he will be a very, very good president. but we shouldn't lose sight -- i was there during all of the terrorist attacks. our embassy worked closely with the french intelligence community, being with president holland, with minister kos nof. they did a great job. it was a very difficult time. but if you talk to our nugsz institutions that worked together, they would say that. i would agree with president -- >> you can agree and za grow -- >> that he now likes france. >> that's right. but it does -- unfortunately, it plays to a particular audience and it's very dangerous to suggest that there's terrorist
attacks because there's a bad president it makes us think of terrorism incorrectly. >> i totally agree. it's dangerous and i also think it's incorrect. it's somebody who really didn't know what was happening in france those three years and what the french were doing, what the city of paris was doing. it really comes from, you know, want having facts. and i think i saw some of the people at the table with the president, general did you mean ford was there, which i think is fantastic who is a wonderful man we worked with quite closely because once again, the military, french and american together were always leading the way. the intelligence community leading the way. and i think it's just misinformation in our current information. >> yes, lots of it. >> in our current administration. >> let's talk about the impression that people have of president trump around are the world. when you look at france, the confidence in president trump in france is 14%.
if you look at other places -- by the way, obama administration 85 percent, george w. bush between 20002 and 20008 afrmd 14%. mexico, average that they don't like president trump so much. maybe it's got something to do with that wall. but germany, 11%. it 22% in canada and the uk. you would expect some of the highest numbers from canada and the uk. israel 53%, russia -- >> what does emmanuel macron get out of this chum myness with donald trump? >> i think it's interesting. you saw macron in the press conference and in the statements before president trump, he did not back away from any of his policies. he didn't back away from his policy on climate. he didn't back away from his policy on trade, on the importance of europe, nato, you can go on and on, diversity. so i think to give the president of france credit, this is what
he believes and he's going to continue to believe it. the one -- it was interesting, once again, back to that picture of the two presidents meeting, you could see our military and our intelligence around that table. the institutions are very close. the institutions worked well together. >> the french bur burng raes. >> the intelligence community, the military community. you know, france has been if not our number one, pretty close to it ally in the fight against isil and you look at what they're doing in africa, mally, places like that. so that partner hip is critically important and it's as pormt today as it was whl i was ambassador. >> good to talk to you. thank you for being with us. the most recent ambassador to france. he might be away, but president trump's kroefrsz are waiting for him back in d.c. a new report from axos suggests that after the latest relevance
lagsz his outside legal team wants a big huge beautiful wall between him and his son-in-law jared kushner or they say president trump could end up paying for it. joining me now jonathan swan. jonathan, while everybody is concentrating on donald trump jr.'s meeting with this lawyer we have to remember there were two other people in that meeting including jared kushner who is now running into repeated problems of meetings with russians that he didn't tell people about. >> yeah. it was obviously paul manafort and jared kushner were in that will meeting. jared kushner didn't fill out his form correctly initially. there have since been three meetings with russians that have caught the attention of investigators. and the legal team on the outside has been frustrated, has told -- have told people that they are frustrated that jared kushner is discussing the investigation with the president they want to put up a wall between him and the president
that would effect til be that they can't discuss anything to do with the russia investigation. this is creating tensions or it's exacerbating tension that already existed between the outside legal team and the kushner camp. >> jonathan, you studied this well. what's the reality of this? one can argue that ranls priebs carries more weight, but this is the president's son-in-law who has been a close advisor for him -- to him for some time and is married to his daughter. what is the likelihood of a wael being established between the president and jared kushner? >> i think the legal team is finding donald trump very difficult to manage and really that's not uncommon. staff find him difficult to manage. it's not so much difficult to manage. he doesn't want to be managed. he doesn't want to be controlled. all of these nonsense stories, you know, a couple months ago about how his twitter feed would go through vetting and there
would be laurs. it's just nonsense. it's not going to p happen. maybe when it's something that, you know, involves potential legal jeopardy, he will listen to what they say, but i'll believe it when i see it. >> at what point and i just want to put a list of the meetings that we know of that jared kushner has attended with russians that were not previously disclosed. this is the june 9th, 2016 meeting. sergey core kof, the chairman of v. bank in russia and sergey kiss lack, the former russian ambassador. that happened in 2016. at some point jared kushner has got to realize that this stuff is becoming an alba tros around the president as they're trying to do everything lejs laifg that they want to do. what are the options other than a legal wall? are we looking at jared kushner shoud removing himself from the circle of power? >> i have no information that would lead me to that conclusion. i mean, certainly jared kushner
has made a number of enemies within the white house, and the only context in which i hear or we as reporters hear, you know, they're thinking of going back to new york. it's just skulgts but. it's people usually who want him to move back to new york. i don't have anything that, you know, i'd put my name under that suggests that he's ready to do that. but certainly we've heard reliably that he's been frustrated and this is, you know, certainly alfektd their ability to get things done. it's bogged them down and everyone is lawyering up. >> good to see you. we're still pouring through the text of the revised republican healthcare bill in the senate. that came out just a couple of hours ago. up next, we're going to tell you how it differs from the previous version and break down exactly what it could mean for you and your health care. and this just in, vladimir putin pens is talking about health care during a meeting at capitol hill. listen. >> the president and i are truly
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discussion draft with additional provisions to make it stronger. >> after two weeks of delay, we've now seen the revised republican trumpcare bill. it appears that little has changed at the core of the bill. >> a newly revised version of the senate healthcare bill, the better care reconciliation act was just released late this morning. it will have to get enough support to make it all the way to the president's desk. there were fiery protests to get the bill on capitol hill today this one outside of mitch mcconnell's office. >> we are threatened because we worship on the altar on the all miety dollar more than we care about human lives. >> garrett, we know at least two senators, kentucky's rand paul and maine's susan collins have said no on this new version of the bill.
that means no other republicans can say no on this bill or it too will not pass. >> reporter: that's right. this bill is very much on a knife edge right now because of those two no's, rand paul and susan collins who don't seem like they're in the mood to be convinced about this particular bill. that also puts a lot of the maybe or soft no republican senators in an awkward position because if you're rob portman, any of these other senators who had said no to the prooe version of this bill, i don't think even any of the senators who feel like they are not ready to support this bill yet want to be the deciding vote against it. so you almost have five or six people looking at each other to see if anybody else wants to be the first person to say they're definitely going to be a no. but right now mitch mng konl and his team are working very hard to bring all of those senators who aren't sure if they're on board back into the fold. he's been having some of them in his office over the last hour or so to meet with a number of different officials to try and see if their concerns can be satisfied. he also went to the floor not
that long ago to explain what's next in this process. take a listen. >> you know what? i'm sorry. i think we're not using that bite. i want to explain one other thing of what's happening here. bob corker, who i spoke to a little while ago also is one of these people who is going to sort of put pressure on his republican colleagues. the debate right now is whether or not we're going to go to the floor with this bill or stop debating it altogether. corker spoke to me and basically said if you have a problem with this bill, let's talk about it on the floor of the u.s. senate. that's what we're going to hear next. >> i think it's moving in a very positive direction, i do. and i appreciate the concerns that i've had being addressed and others. i think they've listened. and i'd just say in general, look, i can't imagine anybody not moving to proto a bill on health care which is so important to all of our citizens back home to say that you don't want to debate health care, that you don't want to give yourself -- every senator has the opportunity, republican and democrat to offer an amend am.
who would say with health care being such an issue to people back home they don't want to move to a bill to debate it or offer amendments. i just can't imagine it. >> reporter: so a lot of moving parts out here and probably the next big one will be the kroeb score on this bill. we expect to see that early next week. back to you. >> all right, garrett. i love the way you handled not having the right thing. happens to us all on cable news. make it look so easy out there but it's not. you running around getting reaction to everybody. thank you. we'll be back to you in a minute. >> you are for given for asking how is this different from the last plan in well, i want to take a look at a few of those differences. first of all, this bill offers an additional $70 billion to the states aus tenseible to help reduce out-of-pocket costs and otherwise make health care more affordable. the new bill also promises $45
billion to fight the opioid crisis. this could potentially go a long way to win over more moderate republicans. it's also something that president trump talked about a lot during the election. in a move that conservatives will likely are appreciate, this new bill introduces a modified version of the so-called cruz amendment which will allow insurers to sell plans that don't meet obamacare regulations as long as they offer plans that do meet the regulations as well. that means essential health benefits. and in a change that conservatives may not appreciate so much, however, the bill also restores many of obamacare's larger taxes on the wealthy, including, including the 3.8% net investment income tax and a 0.9% additional medicare tax. once again, interesting bill that's going to make a lot of are people unhappy and not make too many people much happier. so i don't know at this point with two senators already saying
they're not voting for this bill, two republicans, i don't know how they get everybody over. we will get a cbo score on monday, but i want to break down this bill yet further for you because that's what we do here. andy is the former acting administer for in the senators for medicare and medicaid officers. andy, i don't know how much of a chance you've had to look at the revisions to this bill, but the politics aside, the part that garrett is talking about aside, one of the things that will interest most people is that it's got this cruz lee amendment that says that as long as you offer some policy that meets the obamacare standards of having the essential health benefits in them, you can offer other low value, low cost policies that don't. so, in other words, you could end upbringing the archl cost of policies down because there are $10 a month policies that basically don't get you much. >> right. so i think we have three basic take awaist coming out of this
bill in terms of changes that we've seen so far. it's not a big change. so, you know, we started outcome off of 22 million people losing coverage, none of those things were addressed and so i think it's a situation where it's going to be very hard pressed to get more senators on board. but three things very quickly. one is that, as you point out, this cruz amendment which effectively does, is it essentially creates a separate pool for healthy people and a separate pool for sick people and the pool for sick people which is already deemed unaffordable in the first bill is now going to be even more unaffordable. and the other one is going to have no protections in it. the second thing is they're -- >> i want to underscore this point. >> yes. >> a healthy 25-year-old person will now be able to buy an insurance policy for very little money that will cover two to three doctor visits a year or something of that nature. i was reading through the bill. they then are no longer in that high-risk pool, which has been
where we've been having these problems any way. so the sick, old people who are not old enough to get medicare or not poor enough to get medicaid are still populating this other insurance pool, which means the insurance premiums that have been going up about will continue to go up? >> they're going to go much higher. they're already deemed to be unaffordable by the last cbo analysis. low income people were effectively deemed to be unable to buy insurance. that's going to get worse. and of course, for people who are healthy, of course we're all only temporarily healthy. so it may feel like a good deal for them at the time, but it doesn't get them anywhere. there's two other things, alley that i think i took out. bill from a substantive standpoint. one is that there are a whole series of slush funds that are sort of unallocated, very unclear what they have to go for. they're not targeted at reducing peoples' costs. there's one for opioids. there's one nor alaska. there's one for florida.
there's a whole bunch intended to buy off votes. and then the third thing is there's virtually no change to the issue that's most important to any of the senators, which is medicaid. there's still a $2 trillion cut to medicaid. >> that's why susan collins is having problems with it. so we're yet to see how this all shakes down. but thank you for your "first look" at it. andy always good to talk to you. coming up, we're going to bring you a detailed timeline of the events before and after the meeting between donald trump jr. and that russian lawyer as president trump dwends the meeting. plus, democrats are increasingly called for jared kushner to lose his security clearance after he repeatedly failed to reveal meetings with russian on his federal disclosure form. i'm going to talk to the former ethics lawyer under jorj w. bush. but right now h let's go pack to susan collins on the hill. >> for example, if the provisions that completely
overhaul the medicaid program were dropped from the bill, that would be a great step in the right direction. after all, when the affordable care act was passed, the only change that it made in the medicaid program was to allow states to expand eligibility with increased federal assistance if they chose to do so. so from my perspective it does not make sense to do a major rewrite of a vital entitlement program without having any hearings or consideration of the implications. so that's something that is a major reason that i find myself unable to support the bill. >> would you support just bringing it up for a vote? bring it up to the floor for amendments? what about that? >> i would not at this point unless there are substantial changes in the bill.
this is not like a nomination where i have always voted for the motion to proceed and to believe that nominees should be given the benefit of the doubt by the senate. this is a major piece of legislation that has been written without the benefit of hearings and taken to the senate floor without going through the normal process. president obama, in my view, made a major mistake when he passed the affordable care act without a single republican vote. i don't want to see us make the same mistake bypassing a major rewrite of the affordable care act without a single democratic vote i believe it would be much better if we went through are the committee process and
produced what i would hope would be a bipartisan bill or at least try to produce a bipartisan bill to fix the many flaws that do exist in obamacare. >> you've been pretty consistent about your concerns about the medicaid portion of this since we saw the first draft of the bill. >> correct. >> is it frustrating to you that this new draft is largely unchanged on medicaid? >> it is. i'm very disappointed because i've been very vocal about my concerns. i was in maine last week and spoke to an executive from a rural hospital in maine. 65% of their revenues come from the medicaid program. they're the largest employer in the town with 180 employees. physical that rural hospital were to close because of these medicaid cuts, it would be devastating to the community. and that story is repeated all over rural america. in the case of nursing homes in maine, 70% of their revenues
come from the medicaid program. so we're talking about the health infrastructure in rural america. >> major insurance companies have dropping out of the market. is that a situation -- >> we fortunately have three insurers. that's not enough. andty too am very concerned about the collapse of the insurance markets for individual and small group insurance that we're seeing in counties in several states. that is one of the problems of the affordable care act that does need to be fixed. there are many others as well. we've seen the way the affordable care act is structured, if you make one dollar over 400% of the federal
poverty rate, you lose your entire subsidy. that doesn't make any sense and has created a real hardship for a lot of people in my state who are self-employed and don't know for sure what their income is going to be. i've seen the impact on small employers who have between 45 and 49 employees. they don't dare higher that fiftieth employee because then they're swept under all of the paperwork requirements of obamacare. so the aca definitely needs to be fixed, but at this point it is so intertwined in our healthcare system that to toss the bill completely overboard when it has resulted in an expansion of insurance for many people who never had insurance does not make sense to me. it doesn't mean that it doesn't need significant reform.
it does. but most troubling to me is that the rewrite of the affordable care act is being used toll totally revamp a vital entitlement program that has been relied upon for decades, and it's being done without a single hearing. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you very much, senator. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> it is great listening to senator susan kol lings because she's very steeped into the very details of those things that she thinks are wrong where obamacare, those things that are wrong with the house bill, the senate bill and now in her belief those things that are wrong with the current bill. i think it's fair to say there are problems with all of the above, but she did say she doesn't see why it makes any sense to pass this bill without any democratic participation or cooperation. susan collins is a no on this bill. she's one of two republican senators who have said they are not voting nor this bill.
if the republicans lose a third one, this bill will not pass. now to the other story we've been covering, nbc news has confirmed jared kushner updated the list of foreign contacts on his federal disclosure form three times, adding more than a hundred names. one of those disclosures, of course, is the meeting are between donald trump jr. and a lawyer with ties to the kremlin. that meeting is arguably receiving the most heated criticism is here is why. june 2016, rod gold stone sinds the first e-mail to donald trump jr. about setting up a meeting with a russian attorney who gold stone said had incriminating information on hillary clinton. four days later june 7 then candidate trump promised news on clinton. here is what he said. >> i am going to give a major speech on probably monday of next week and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the chin tons. >> one day later, june 8th,
donald trump jr. forwarded the meeting time with the russian lawyer to jared kushner and campaign manager paul manafort by e-mail. the very next day, june 9th, meeting day, trump had a donor event in new york city, but he left that event at 1:07 p.m. to return to trump tower. we don't know the exact time he got back, but it was just a few blocks away. donald junior's meeting with the russian lawyer was scheduled for 4:00 p.m. pat 4:40 p.m. candidate trump tweeted at hillary clinton and asked, where are your 33,000 e-mails that you've deleted? and for more than a year, nothing was reported about that june 9th meeting in trump tower. we didn't know anything about it until this past saturday, july 8th, 2017. "the new york times" reported trump team met with lawyer linkd to kremlin during campaign. soon after that donald junior says in a sthamt that he went to the meeting, but, quote,
primarily discussed a program about the adoption of russian children. then this past sunday, donald junior released a statement that he had been told the individual he was meeting with, quote, might have information helpful to the campaign. and on tuesday we go back to where it all began, the first e-mail on june 3rd, 2016, is revealed. gold stone told donald trump jr. he wanted to give him information that was, quote, part of russia and its government's support for mr. trump. a few minutes later, done junior wrote, quote, with if it's what you say, i love it. joining me now, richard painter, richard, this picture gets clearer and clearer by the day that there is some connection between information that was being given to the trump campaign and the use that they put to that in the campaign. at this point what does it look like to you? >> well, as for jared kushner, he's had an awful lot of acts
can russians. the russian backers, russian lawyers or agents of the russian government. it goes on and on. he's got the wrong job in this white house. he ought to be the united states ambassador to russia, maybe the russian ambassador to the united states, i don't know, but he really shouldn't have a security clearance of the and i think a buchlg of these other people who were involved in this ought to go too. it's very clear, i think it's been clear for a long time that there was collaboration between the trump campaign and the russians. you know, we have the document of that in these e-mails because they're contacted by basically through an intermediary. they're contacted by the russian government, and they go and they meet with this lawyer who they are told is a representative of the russian government. any loyal american would have called the fbi tap point. you don't go into a meeting with the russians to get dirt on your opponent. it's very likely to involve criminal activity. >> donald trump again disagreed
with your take on this today when he said anybody would have taken that meeting. i know lots and lots of people who would have taken that meeting. as an ethics advisor to a president, where is the line? obviously ur frequently meeting with people who don't like your opposition, who don't like the person in the other party, who don't like the people who ran against you. but where is the line between gathering research to ugs against them that's ethical and that which is not? >> well, one of the lines is you don't meet with the agents of foreign governments, particularly a foreign government that's been an adversary for a long time and that conducts espionage inside the united states. you don't do that. there are campaign finance laws that prevent foreign government from assisting u.s. campaigns. and that's just disloyal to the united states because at the end of the day, we had hillary clinton and donald trump and other candidates who are all americans and americans vote.
this is not something that vladimir putin should have anything to do with, and yet that e-mail said that the russian government wanted to help elect donald trump. that is unacceptable. no, everybody wouldn't have done it, and if everybody would do it, we've reached a point where participate ship is so bad in this country that we might as well become a cologne again, whether in great brit an or russia or wherever. >> it's more than politics. it's that serious. richard, thank you very much for joining us. he has stayed on top of this topic for a long time. he has worked for george w. bush as his chief white house ethics advisor. coming up, we're going to take a look at how the republican healthcare plan might have an impact on tens of thousands of babies born every year with congenital heart defects. across the country, we walk. carrying flowers that signify why we want to end alzheimer's disease.
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house. kelly, what happened? >> well, good to be with you. there are frequently occasions to speak to the president and previous presidents in an off the record way. and by that we mean the information is not publishable. it is not for broadcast. it is intended so that the reporters have a better understanding of the president's thinking on a variety of topics. so this has happened through many administrations. what is unusual is that today the white house is making on the record substantial portions of what the president said to reporters on air force one last night. so it was about an hour-long conversation with 13 journalists who are in the traveling pool with the president. today the president made reference to that, to maggie haberman of the new york times who was one of the journalists who was on the plane, and he seemed surprised that his comments were not on the record. and so that triggered an unusual series of events where what was supposed to be an off the record conversation is now on the
record s therefore, available for publication and broadcast. the president talked about a range of topics. that's usually what happens, about his visit to france, about world issues, but on some of the news of the day regarding his son donald trump jr. and the meeting, the president was asked about that, and here is what he said. don is, as many of you know, don, he's a good boy, he's a good kid. he had a meeting approximate. nothing happened with the meeting. it was a shofrt meeting as he told me becausery only heard about it two or three days ago. those are the words of the president of the united states. as he told me the meeting went, it was attended by a couple of other people who one of them left after a few minutes, which is jared, jared kushner, his son-in-law, and senior advisor. the other one was playing with his iphone. he's referring to paul manafort there. don listened out of politeness and realized it wasn't, honestly in a world of politics most people are going to take that meeting. if somebody called and said, hey, you're a democratic, by the way, they have taken them. so there's a little conversation style here.
hey, i have some really -- some information on donald trump, you're running against donald trump, can i see you. so you kind of can almost hear the president's cadence. how many people are not going to take that meeting? what's notable about this is the president said this on camera in large part today when asked at the news conference. so when we have an off the record conversation with the president, it isn't necessarily that there is some secret or some kind of thing that wouldn't be said publicly. my experience is they usually say it publicly right after they talk to us, but it's an opportunity for presidents to sort of work it there out, think about what they're saying, sort of relaxed in the way that they're talking to reporters and the subject can be wide ranging. but this is particularly notable because of the series of events today where it is now on the record. there's also been some question about is it the entire conversation? and there is some dispute between the white house and reporters about if every word of it was submitted. based on the fact there's an official document, i was not on the plane for this session, it suggests there was. the official transcript
recording, which is often done for any presidential event, so that would be how we would have this transcript, not reporters notes, but the white house keeping its own record of the conversation. very unusual, and it just gives you a window into the president's insight. he appears to not have been asked much about his son-in-law jared kushner, who is the only government official that was a part of that russian meeting. of course, jared kushner, who has security clearance as far as we know, and has a job in the white house. so apparently that did not come up in the president's conversation on air force one. >> kelly, thanks very much for bringing us that as soon as it became available. as families across the country anxiousel wait to hear how the new gop health plan is going to affect them, let's continue the look that we've been taking regularly on this show into the conditions that affect people across the nation. is this today i want to talk to you about congenital heart defects. chd's affects more americans than any other birth defect. about 40,000 babies are born with them in the united states every year, making up 1% of all
births. congenital heart surgery can be prohibit actively expensive for many families, costing schts $130,000 for adults, but $180,000 for children. the total annual hospital costs for chd treatment in the united states is upward of 1.9 bill yonds of which over $500 million is spent on the most severe cases. six-year-old lay lay was born with a congenital heart defect. there she is. she traveled from chicago to washington to talk to legislators about this important healthcare bill and how it affects them. thank you so much for being with us and thank you to lay la for being with us as well. tell me the message that you need lawmakers to hear. >> they need to hear that they're affecting children just like mine. i feel like this is -- it's unbelievable that we are in this
position, that i have to travel here to personally speak to them. it should not have come to this point, but they need to think about the children. >> what are the dangers that parents of children like lay la face financially? i gave those big numbers. they're really big. it would bankrupt many families to have to pay that. >> yes. >> was it easy for you to secure insurance? did you have insurance? do you know of people who will lose their insurance for this sort of thing if obamacare goes away? >> i mean, my daughter is only -- is just one of many children that are treated at children's hospital in chicago, and the expenses are enormous. she's had two open heart surgeries because of her congenital heart defect. she does have a pacemaker. her nutrition is through a g. tube. so it comes with a lot of day to day expenses. and therapies and specialists. it's definitely a lot of costs. and not just for her, for all
the children in all children's hospitals in the country. >> you met with senator tammy duckworth. what was that conversation like in? >> it was definitely subpoena up lifting. she is in agreement with what we came here to do, and our goal now is to come across to the representatives that are not supporting us in the struggle, but it was definitely up lifting to see that she supports us. >> when you see those senators who are not supporting the idea of extending these sorts of coverages, what do you think is the issue? is it that they just don't know kids like lay la or they just don't have experience with people? because whether it's congenital heart defects or it's diabetes or it's heart disease or it's alzheimer's or it's cancer, all of the things that we've talked about on this show, we're all really really expensive to treat and if you don't have coverage, families will go bankrupt.
>> exactly. i really hope that that's the case. i really hope that if they don't know anybody or they don't know children that have these conditions, because if they do, then it's really unbelievable that they would really suggest these cuts. it's a lot. my daughter suffers from a seizure disorder so it's ongoing medication she's going to have to take for the rest of her life. so i hope that with our story and with now you covering this story as well that it can touch their hearts. >> well, we hope there's some impact to it too. we hope that people who watch this segment are able to see that beautiful girl next to you and what would happen if she didn't have health insurance. >> thank you. >> i'm really grateful to you for the work that you and other parents do to keep your kids healthy and make sure they have good lives. thanks for joining us. for more on health care i want to bring in the republican
governor of arkansas. asa hutchinson. governor, this is the disconnect, right? it's health care at a macro level is about as -- it's about a lot of money. it's about billions of dollar, it's about deficits and taxes and then a personal story like laila's or people who have parents with alzheimer's or cancer or people who have diabetes. how do you as a governor reconcile this? >> well, i mean, first of all, i listened to the story and everyone has compassion and wants to make sure that children like that with congenital heart defects has the coverage and protection and care that they need. that's the objective. and i think that whatever is replaced with obama case will have that coverage. the question is is the funding going to be tightened to the extent that the states will have to restrict some elements of
coverage or the expansiveness of the current health care coverage that we have. and what is the essential services and what people expect and are really needed. the new version of the senate bill -- >> let me go deeper on this. i have had senators and members of congress on my show saying we're not cutting any money. we're giving the states the responsibility to handle this themselves and to make the decisions that are better done at the state level. in your state fearly 65% of those -- nearly 65% of those people on medicaid are children. two-thirds of children in arkansas, small towns in rural areas receive their health care coverage through medicaid. there are entire hospitals in
arkansas, rural arkansas that get most of their budget made up by medicaid reimbursements. do you want this responsibility because it's not a transfer of responsibility, it's transfer of cost. >> well, we want the flexibility to manage the program and when we have that, we're going to save money in terms of which is absolutely necessary. you know, what we have right now is unsustainable. you're taking too great a percentage of the medicaid from the federal government. we can't just have a significant cost shift to the states because that's something we cannot shoulder. so it is a partnership there and again what i started to say is that the new senate bill made significant progress in a number of areas that we have requested. but there's still a challenge in terms of cost sharing with the states and the ultimate result we want to make sure that the
children are covered in arkansas we're going to maintain that. the traditional medicaid is the most important because they're the ones that are senior citizens, that are children. we want to make sure that's not cut back. the expanded population are able-bodied and that's something we want in the block grants so we can have more flexibility to manage that more effectively. >> let me talk to you about arkansas again. from 2013 to 2015, the arkansas uninsured rate dropped dramatically because of the medicaid expansion. 30% of the state's population. about 912,000 people were enrolled in some form of medicaid by march of 2017. so yours is a state that has benefited from the federal government largess as it comes to health care. again, this is going to be a big problem for you. any version of this senate bill or the house bill is going to hurt arkansas. >> let me rephrase it for you.
it was estimated that 250,000 would be on the expanded medicaid population. it turned out to be 330,000. so you have created almost a permanent entitlement. this needs to be changed so that it is a means to help those most vulnerable. it's a way to help them move up the economic ladder. we cannot sustain the existing plan of permanent entitlement in this area. and so we have to have change. let's just make sure we get it right. i think the senate is going at it the right way. thoughtfully working with us not trying to rush it through, but have -- >> come on, governor, you just didn't say that? that's exactly what they're doing. obamacare had a year of hearings.
that i are trying to rush it through. that's disingenuous. >> i think you're totally wrong. they had a senate bill. they didn't have the votes for it. they went back to the drawing table. they came up and announced some miker changes -- major changes today. you have senator graham looking at an amendment process that's ongoing. they're looking at continuing into the august debate. not going home. and to me, this is a very thoughtful approach to a very serious issue and they're listening to the governors. and we don't know the outcome yet. we don't know what the final product's going to be. we're going to continue to try to shape it and make sure that we can bend the cost curve, but at the same time make sure that that coverage that's so important can be maintained. >> governor, you're a charitable man to say they're taking their time with it. but thank you for being on and having this discussion with me. asa hutchinson. we'll be right back. that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪
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