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eventually, though, i guess after enough notes were dispensed out of this atm, enough pleas for help, somebody called the cops. >> sure enough, we can hear a little voice coming from the machine. so we're all thinking this is a joke. >> no joke. it turns out an atm maintenance worker got stuck inside the machine. he didn't have his phone, so he turned to a pen and paper. after two hours police kicked in the atm's door and made a withdrawal they'll never forget. that will do it for me. i will see you back here at four p.m. eastern for deadline white house. i'll get rid of the tickle in my throat. i will slow dpoun my brain so my mouth will catch up with it. >> dude was stuck in an atm machine. >> yes. >> that's at craziest story i've ever heard you tell. >> i had a full newspaper in my hand sitting on the plane and i got to read the actual physical newspaper, front to back, and i found that little gem in the paper and i thought, gosh, you
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will like this. >> nums are not dead. living proof of that. great to see you. >> put down your phone. >> all right. have a great afternoon. and a happy friday afternoon to you. this is everything. you remember that phrase. it's what donald trump jr. told the world the day he released are the e-mail exchange dealing with a meeting with that russian lawyer. that statement ended up being less than completely forthcoming. just like his previous accounts of that day. there is a pattern of half truths developing here. alice of today we now know there were two more people in that election season meeting than we first thought. nbc news has learned one of them is a russian american lobbyist and former soviet counterintelligence officer who is suspected by some u.s. officials of having ongoing ties to russian intelligence. that person denies any current ties to russian spy agencies. let's take a step back, though, and retell this story as donald trump jr. himself has told it.
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there are cure os tiz, parts that might raise an eyebrow, but that's up to you. so this week donald junior released e-mails which said in june of 2016 he got a maem from an acquaintance, this guy, a music publicly cyst to arc arrange a meeting. in a series of e-mails gold stone told trump jurch that the meeting would be with a russian government attorney the offer to provide the campaign with some documents and information that would incriminate hillary and her dealings with russia and would be very useful to your father. and in a followup e-mail, this is obviously very high level and sensitive information, but is part of russia and its government's support for mr. trump. trump junior's response, if it is what you say, i love it, especially later in the summer. so they meet. trump junior, paul manafort, jared kushner and this lawyer, and now we know, thanks to nbc's new reporting and a statement
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from done junior's attorney that there were two more people there in the room as well. as trump junior's story goes, the trump folks first said last weekend the meeting of the primarily about adoption, so unsatisfied with the information presented, they left the meeting and the rest is history. trump junior had expressed interest in dirt on hillary clinton, but just dropped it after the meeting. the same goes for the russians. they knew there were trump associates interested in information, but they too just decided to drop it forever. well, again, that's according to donald trump jr. whose stories have he involved over the last week. for the latest on this story, i want to bring in my colleagues. they join us from washington. kristen, let's start with you. we have not had very robust responses from the white house on this. they have tended to deflect this to personal lawyers for donald trump jr. and for donald trump,
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but there's still some stuff out there. donald trump himself in paris made some statements. >> reporter: well, that's right. and he has been on defense ever since this story broke and then he commented publicly for the first time yesterday during that joint press conference with france's president macron, essentially saying his son is a good person, that nothing came out of this meeting, that there's essentially nothing to see here and it's being over blown. but today's revelations, thanks to our investigative team are that, in fact, there were more people in that meeting, two more people, who accompanied natalia veselnitskaya and effectively we don't know the identity of one, but we know that one of the people who accompanied her is someone named reign at ak mention. this is someone who is a russian born american lobbyist who is a former soviet counterintelligence official and
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some officials here believe he still may have some ties to the intelligence community in russia, although that's something that he disputes. the broader point here, though, is that it does raise questions about how much more information hasn't been revealed yet. you'll recall where this story first started. donald trump jr. saying this was a meeting to talk about russian adoptions. and then we learned just a day later that that wasn't the case, that this meeting was to obtain damaging information about hillary clinton. as you point out, we have reached out to all of the people who were in that meeting, including representatives for jared kushner and paul manafort. we haven't heard back from him, but an stoern for donald trump jr. says that the attorney spoke with one of the people accompanying that russian lawyer, natalia, and the person said he is a u.s. citizen. he told me specifically he was not working for the russian government and in fact laughed when i asked him that question. so they are pushing back very vigorously against the narrative
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that this changes the equation. but the reality is, ally, this is a big development. >> someone gave me really good advice this morning, kristen. they said if you ever ask somebody if they're a spy and they laugh at you, don't necessarily take that as a no. look, in this white house you've got jared kushner, you've got mike pence has a personal lawyer. you've got donald trump with a permanent lawyer. you've got donald trump jr. with a personal lawyer. all of these people have a job to do with their own clients, which may not mesh with everybody else' job, especially since the fbi has already conducted some interviews, including with jared kushner where he had filed a form talking about others that he had met from other countries. he's now revised that twice. he's now on his second fbi interview, and there may be a third. the point is, how do you keep on the same page? there's a white house counsel and then everybody has got their own lawyers. at some point this could start to disintegrate. >> this is an increasing push within the administration for
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everyone to get on the same page when it comes to legally and also messaging. so you have jared kushner really pushing for that. and then we learned today, according to a senior administration official that president trump is going to hire tie cobb who is a veteran lawyer in washington, d.c., no stranger to tough legal battle is, but to effectively come into the white house to help with their legal and pr messaging. there's a sense that it hasn't been dispinned enough. and we go back to the briefings that i sat in on in which we ask deputy press secretary sarah huckabee sanders questions about the russia controversy over and over again and the responses to refer our questions to outside counsel. so i think there is going to be a more robust attempt to not only anesthesia questions that they are getting on a daily basis but to do so in a disciplined manner. >> you've done a lot of reporting on this. let's talk about this fifth character we now know was in the room, reign that the ak men
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shon. who is he? what did he bring to that meeting, and is he tied to russian intelligence? >> well, he denies and has denied in the past any current ties to russian intelligence. he is a russian born lobbyist. he did serve some time in the soviet military. i wouldn't want to overstate that, but he had a job that had a counterintelligence role. he moved to the united states. he's become kind of a washington fixer. he's got both u.s. and russian citizenship. he has lobbied for causes that are consistent with the government of vladimir putin. and he's also lobbied against the government of vladimir putin's causes in some cases. and his presence at the meeting may be most significant because it was concealed, because, you know, as kristen pointed out, donald trump jr. said that he had told everything about this meeting and in fact he hadn't. when you conceal things about a meeting, you're going to p iq ue the interest of investigators. let's remember what this goes back to. whatever the account of what
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happened in this meeting, the e-mails are plaque and white. it was an offer by the russian government through the business partners of the trump family, through the miss universe pageant, an offer to assist the trump campaign and help find derogatory information on hillary clinton. now, as it happens in the account of this meeting, both the trump side and the lawyer and the russian lobbyist say that didn't happen. there was very little derogatory information passed. and so that's the disconnect. that's what investigators are going to try to figure out. >> very strange that that would just stop, that there is an offer of that information in writing, we have an acceptance of the idea of getting this derogatory information, and then everybody just left the meeting unsatisfied and it never happened again. there may be other shoes here. kristen, good to see you. thank you so much. we want you to come back to america soon. although somebody once told me if somebody tells you to come back from america, don't listen to them. great reporting. thanks very much. okay. we're not clearly the only ones
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watching this story intently. lots of attention on capitol hill. garrett, you've been hearing from key members of congress. what's the sfoer? >> reporter: well, the senate is out and i've been talking to some republican senate aides. they could not be happier that their bosses are not here in town right now. they are tired about answering questions about this controversy. i talked to chuck grassley yesterday. he's the chairman of the jish committee. he very much wants to get them in front of his committee but he's got to work it out with bob mueller first. democrats are incensed by this. they feel like they're being misled drip by drip, more information coming out. congressman adam shif who is in charm of the rank lg democrat on the house investigation addressed this with my colleague casey hupt a short time ago. let's listen to him. >> so if this additional party was there and had a background with russian intelligence, may have had a background in hacking information, as alleged in court
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pleadings, this is yet another disturbing turn of events. more parties, russian parties not disclosed, not disclosed potentially on security background documents by jared kushner. that's also alleged. but more importantly, this provides yet another conduit back to the kremlin. >> reporter: and, ally, one of the things we've hearing from democrats as this story has developed this week is that they would like to see jared kushner's security clearance revoked. he's the only one of the trump associates in that meeting who currently has one, but as ken did he leanian has actually reported, the president can basically say -- he can give a clearance to almost anyone he wants. so it's highly unlikely we would see that happen, but that's one of the things we're continuing to hear from democrats as more comes out in this scandal. >> all right, garrett. thanks. we'll continue to talk about this s. we're also going to be talking a lot next week. i just want to remind people while the room fills with all this smoke about russia, we have
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a healthcare bill out, and we are probably going to get something that looks like a cbo score, although we'll discuss it on municipal. there are going to be issues with that score as well. when we're talking about this russia stuff, it's helpful to get perspective from people who devote their least into looking into things like this. joining me now is kathleen clark. she's a legal ethics expert. she's a professor of law at washington university. kathy leap, goot to see you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> i want to go over -- we just heard garrett talking about security clearance and talking about the security form. let's just concentrate to jared kushner for a second. because we know now there are at least six people in that meeting, of which he was one. on january 18, jared kushner filed a form and he then told the fbi that he would amend that form. on april 6 he reported no foreign contacts. "the new york times" reported that. on may is 11th he revised the
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form that he filed on january 18. in the middle of may, this is key, the fbi interviewed him about the form. that is standard. on june 21st jared kushner revised the form again, and on june 23rd, as is standard, the fbi interviewed him about the form again. now, at some point jared kushner went from reporting that he had zero foreign contacts or zero contacts with people associated with a foreign government to more than a hundred. at some point this conversation with the fbi has got to be relevant. >> no. that's right. both his statements on the form and his statements to the fbi may be quite relevant to mr. mueller and his investigation. because although people can get away with lying in public and lying to the press, there can be criminal penalties for lying on disclosure form for the government or lying to the fbi.
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>> nancy pelosi laid out a case for law breaking generally in this situation as it's unfolded. i want to listen to what she said and then i want you to tell me on the other side what part of it is likely valid and what part of it might be a stretch. let's listen together. >> this is a campaign violation soliciting, coordinating or accepting something of value, opposition research, documents and information, from a forp government or foreign p national. plain and simple. criminal conspiracy to defraud the united states, impeding the lawful administrationful a federal election or to make an offense against the united states, cyber crimes, hacking against u.s. citizens, the clinton campaign. conspiracy with respect to he is speen age depending on whether the information was obtained through russian spying and the level of their awareness of the
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spying. >> so the reason i run that is because there are a lot of people saying it's a lot of things. and as i characterize it, there was smoke. now there's a lot of smoke. we still don't know the source of the smoke, but we do know that at very best there are changing rapidly changing stories from jared kushner, from donald trump jr., from a lot of people about who met with whom. what does this all represent to you? >> there is evidence that some people may violated a criminal law. there's evidence that foreigners attempted to provide something of value to a u.s. campaign, to the trump campaign. now, that evidence may or may not be borne out by other facts, but providing something of value to a u.s. campaign by a foreigner is illegal under u.s. campaign law and it can be a crime if the information or thing of value was valuable enough, over $2,000 in value. in addition, as i think nancy pelosi may apllluded to, there
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concern about whether solicitation took place, soliciting a foreigner to provide something of value. and the e-mail from donald trump jr. and the exchange during that meeting may constitute solicitation in violation of u.s. election law as well. >> well, we do have a prosecutor on this. robert mueller, and he has lots of information to go through. so we will have to see how that comes out. kathleen clark, good to see you. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. all right. senate republicans have zero marnl inof error on this healthcare bill. this has president trump is working harder than ever to rally support for the bill. coming up next, we'll have a full report from capitol hill on where the bill currently stands. plus what's in and what's out. how new watered down health plans could affect your coverage on the other side of this break. (baby crying) ♪ fly
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. help is on the way. we're going to give the american people access to the kind of world class health care every american deserves. >> well, vice president pens is now being lauded as this administration's best assets on capitol hill. president trump tweeting mike pence is working hard on health care and getting our wonderful republican senators to do what is right for the people. we also know the president made several calls to senators while he was in paris yesterday in hopes of getting them to vote yes. we also know that two republican senators, rapid paul and susan
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collins are a no, and at least four others, you see them on the screen here, are undecided. garrett haik is back with me from capitol hill. garrett, the senate has the ability to lose three votes and have mike pence come in and break that. they don't have two at the moment and neither rand paul or susan collins seem like there's much that can happen with this bill in particular that can get them on side. so what's going on with this bill. >> yeah, sure. those two nos have been pretty hard noest. he's been on capitol hill every week meeting with senators. he's had a number of these senators who are on the fence to his house for dinner. and he's actually having the most meeting today with nevada's governor brian sand val who is incredibly popular in that state. getting him on board is key to getting dean heller on board who is the senator from nevada who is the next sort of hard no on
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this thing. you mentioned those phone calls. i've reached out to aides, and we can't find any of the no vote folks who know for sure that their bosses talked to the president. so all of that leaves a lot of this in mitch mcconnell's lap. he's the one that's going to have to close the deal here and lindsey graham said this morning he's optimistic mcconnell can still do is it. >> let's just talk about the ones who are actual no votes. they're no votes for did he distinct reasons. one of the them is a moderate who doesn't like the planned parenthood stuff, doesn't like the cuts to medicaid and the effect it's going to have on rural dwellers in maine. the other one thinks this is not really a repeal of obamacare and isn't conservative enough and won't meet the promise that republicans made to their constituents. the point of this rewrite was to try and bridge that gap. it's a bit of an unbridgeable grap. >> well, it's interesting,
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remember when the first draft came out rand paul announced his opposition with three other senators, right. it was four of them all at once, rand paul, mike lee, ted cruz, ron johnson said they couldn't support this bill because it doesn't go far enough. it looks like the other three out of that four are much closer to supporting this bill if they're not all the way there yet. so it's possible that mitch mcconnell went far enough to the right to get those folks on board bid adding things like this amendment that ted cruz proposed that i know you're going to talk about a little bit more here in a second. the question is whether he can simultaneously go backwards and add enough to this bill to get those moderates into it and i think that's the much hard irsell in part because those people have a lot less sway on those people. there's velts that susan collins, for example, would want or need from this administration. >> interesting point. and yes, you can accomplish a lot in a bill but then it becomes a more expensive bill or in the case of this bill less of a tax cut, less of a savings. i suspect you should have a good
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relagsing weekend because we're going to be talking next week. let's talk a bit about what's in this bill as garrett was talking about. we've discussed the politics of it. let's discuss what is actually in this bill. now, the original bill, you've got to be kidding me, control room. let's see. let's put this up. all right. control room, you can control this for me. the original bill cut about $772 billion worth of medicaid, and this new one still has major cuts to it. we don't know that be in. we don't know if this 772 is the same. we will likely hear about it on monday when the cbo releases its score, but many expect this number to be in a similar range. let's take a look at what else is in the bill. this bill puts up $45 billion for the opioid epidemic. this is appeasing senators in west virginia and ohio and other states where the opioid epidemic is particularly bad. now, the a -- makes it hard for the senators in those states to
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turn down potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to address an out of control crisis. more than 90 people a day in america die of an opioid addiction. okay. here is another one. this one is and that conservatives really like. expanding health savings being accounts. the new bill allows money -- it's going to make these health savings accounts a little bigger and you can use money in there on which you're not paying taxes to pay for premiums. so that in theory reduces the size of your premiums. and garrett was just talking about the cruz amendment. this is important. this let's insurance providers sell bare bones coverage that does not comply with obamacare rules. it does not cover the essential health benefits, the ehb's. remember that. the concern here is that if they allow you to buy premiums -- pay premiums for policies that don't involve essential health benefits, this is going to be a benefit to young, healthy people, but people who are older or who have pre-existing conditions, it's going to drive their premiums up, because it
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ends up going back to what things were like before obamacare. sh talks about the death spiral and destruction that obamacare is, i want everybody to remember that before obamacare, if you had a pre-existing condition, you didn't get insurance and you were in a high-risk pool and insurance was prohibit actively expensive for older, sicker people. i want to talk more about this with a practicing physician. and she's a fellow at the brookings institute. you and i been talking about this, gosh, for years now. and fundamentally i think people need to understand two distinct things about this new bill. one is this cruz amendment and the stuff it does to premiums. and the second one is that it largely, and we may be surprised on monday when we see the cbo score, but it largely continues to cut into medicaid. there are 74 million americans on medicaid, many of those people are on medicaid because of medicaid expansion that was part of the obamacare legacy.
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what happens to them under this bill? >> under this bill, as you said, not much is going to change from the version we saw before, and that is that we'll see millions lose medicaid coverage and perhaps even more importantly, this is going to fundamentally just change the medicaid program because it's going to start to put states under a budget from the feds for medicaid, which means, you know, ten years from now, 15 years from now, there will be even less money than there would have been even before the affordable care act. so this is not just about the expansion of medicaid. this is actually going to fundamentally change the medicaid program so that even people before ba rack obama took office could have gotten medicaid would not be able to get medicaid. >> we have talked in such detail about the pool number of people, the number of babies born in medicaid funded hospitals, the number of older people who are taken care of by medicaid, the broadness of this program.
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medicaid is possibly one of the closest ways in which america gets to a universal healthcare system. but i want to go to the cruz amendment, the idea that bare bones shurps policies that doesn't cover essential health benefits are going to be sold. which means in theory, and i'm making the number up, somebody could sell you or me an insurance policy for 10, 20, 50, hundred dollar bucks a month with very little coverage. and that's what healthy people will buy, which means the sick people will be in what is essentially what was before obamacare a high-risk pool or uninsurable. >> right. and even one more point on that is that the premium kind of tax credits that we talk about, in this version of the bill you will actually be able to use premium tax credits to pay for those catastrophic plans that do not coverage essential hell benefits. so, i mean, think about that. it's exactly set up -- first of all, the tax credits aren't that
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great if you're older and sicker, it's actually less money than you would have gotten under the current affordable care act, but if you wanted to, you could actually use that money to pay for a plan that doesn't actually get you good care. and keep in mind that this is not just about medicaid and the individual exchange. cbo estimates that about 5 million people in the employer insurance market will lose their coverage. so it affects all of us. it doesn't matter where you get insurance. >> all right. well s i invite everyone to spend the weekend talking to somebody who remembers what health insurance was like before obamacare and asking if that's somewhere you want to go back. we have done a lot on this this weekend. we'll also be on tomorrow talking about this. thanks as always. all right. coming up next, another day another detail on that donald trump jr. meeting. meeting that was thought to be a party of four is now apparently a party of six. after the break new york times opinion columnist nicholas chris
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. let's just go back in time a little bit. tuesday donald trump jr. went on
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fox news and insisted he had no more to disclose about meetings with the russians, particularly the now infamous meeting with the russian lawyer. >> did you ever meet with any other person from russia that you know of? >> you know what? i don't even know. i've probably met with other people from russian. >> not in the campaign. >> not in the context of actually a formalized meeting or anything like that. because why would i? i'm more than happy to be transparent about it and i'm more than happy to cooperate with everyone. >> so as far as you know, as far as this incident is concerned, this is all of it. >> this is everything. this is everything. >> this is everything. this is everything. this is all of it. that's not everything. he was actually specifically asked on tuesday and had an option of answering that. all right. now wednesday, the president tweets saying my son donald did a good job last night. he was open, transparent and innocent. this is the greatest witch-hunt in political history. sad. mr. kushner concerns has been updated three times now, adding more than 100 namts. that form now includes the june
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9th meeting with jared kushner, donald trump jr., the russian lawyer and paul manafort, except there's more. that june 9th meeting was not a party of four. it was a party of six. the russian lawyer who met with the team after a promise of compromising material on hillary clinton was accompanied by a russian american lobbyist who was a former sof yet counterintelligence officer and is suspected by some u.s. officials of having ongoing ties to russian intelligence, something he denies. donald trump jr.'s lawyer now says six people were present at that meeting, including a translator. and now that we've cleared that up, i want to bring in new york times opinion columnist nicholas christ off. his latest piece is entitled all roads now lead to kushner. nick, good to see you. thank you for being here. why the conclusion that all roads lead to kushner, other than the fact that he has now had to revise this form twice where he said he had met with no foreign contacts and now he's up
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to more than a hundred? >> well, look, the focus has been on donald trump jr. because of his role arranging these meetings, his role in the e-mails, but at the end of the day, he is not a central player. while jared kushner in terms of looking at who has power, you know, that's who does have power. that's whose in the white house and what we do know about jared is that he was informed of a meeting, whose stated purpose ahead of the time he attended, was to advance a russian effort to interfere in the u.s. election of the and what did he do? he didn't report it to the fbi. he attended. and then we also know that he attempted to set up this very mysterious communications channel with the kremlin in the transition period. and we know that from intercepts from the russian ambassador, ambassador kislyak to the kremlin. and what the purpose of that is
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still very unclear, but james comey made some remarks about it, which also had people thinking that maybe this didn't involve trips to russian diplomatic centers but actually involved mobile communications gear that jared was trying to obtain. >> let me ask you this. i want to ask you my control room to put up the statement, first of all. done junior had said the other day i asked jared and paul to taepd p but told them nothing of the substance. he said this on sunday in a statement to the press. but then he released the e-mails, and when you read the e-mail, the subject line says, forward, russia, clinton, private and confidential. >> and of course, everything previous in e-mails was included too. >> yeah. it's not plausible, nick, that jared kushner didn't know what was going on. it's not plausible really that somebody connected to the russian government dang he would an offer to donald trump jr. and
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which they knew they had a live one. they knew they had somebody who was interested in that information and then suddenly this meeting happens. first it was four people, now it's six people and then everybody just walk away and nothing happens any more. the russians are in the intelligence business, as are the americans, had pay real conversation with the son and son-in-law of a man who could be president of the united states and everybody just dropped it and walked away after that. >> yeah. and in the meantime, there are also some reports that there may been additional two people at that meeting. it's not actually -- first reports were maybe six. there may have been another couple there. we still don't know. as this goes on it will turp out to be a small army in there. but,up, the idea that jared kushner at this point, after failing to report that meeting, still has a top secret national security clearance and is working on some of the sensitive national security issues in the country i think is mind-boggling. i think the first step should be to take away that national
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security clearance. >> even without assuming anything is wrong, just to protect national security until we get some more information. this room has become very, very smokey. we haven't found a nier, but it is real smokey in here. you point out something interesting. we thought it was three people, four people. then we found out it was five people and then it became six people. we're not actually sure how many people were in that meeting. we really want to be sure. we really want to know, because at some point, nick, the story does become why all the falsehoods? why all the misinformation? >> yeah. and at this point i think that's one of the things that is hob ling the trums, frankly. some of what we have, frankly, is circumstantial and there is a certain amount of uncertainty. and there can be some benign interpretation to some of it. but at this point there has been exactly zero correlation between what the trums and the white house has said and what has subsequently proved to be true. and so i think nobody has any confidence at all in their
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denials. and the numbers of people, the claim by both don jurch and by president trump himself that he had released these e-mails in the interest of transparency when it's manifestly clear that he released them because "the new york times" was already had obtained them. i do think that these undermine the family's credibility and also the country's. >> good to talk to you. thank you so much for being with us. a columnist with "the new york times" and a prolific author as well. ohio govern saying medicaid cuts go too deep. up next the republican alabama gofr or ka ivy. some are meeting today and we want to find out whether she thinks it's a good bill. stay tuned.
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supposed to be transferring responsibility to the states for some of this medicaid overtime, giving states greater flexibility which you governs tend to like, but it's also giving you the financial responsibility for a growing piece of medical spending. >> well, the current health law in the program in place now is not sustainable at the federal and the state level. much about it is just plain not working for our people. so reform is coming down the pike. it can be a good thing for states like alabama because we have managed our program well in the past and there may be some safety net money coming with it, and that will help. vice president pence also talked about the senate bill that's under consideration. it will provide for flexibility for the states. and it's important for states to handle state issues. and every governor knows better how to manage and provide for quality health care in their respective states than does one
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president trump based much of his campaign on a very simple, very effective slogan. america first. a frequent refrain of his stump speeches was that america was bleeding jobs and he would bring them back. >> my administration will follow two simple rules. buy american and hire american. >> well, since winning the presidency he has at times encouraged and even cajoled companies, congratulating himself on keeping the jobs and those jobs, but "the washington post" found that while his administration may be guided by
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those rules, president trump's daughter ivanka seems to be running her fashion line in a way that collides with those principles. now, remember she has separated herself from some degree from the operation of that because she works out of white house. but it is still her brand and joining me now is one of the reporters on that piece, "the washington post's" mattea gold. i tweeted out this morning, i wanted my viewers to guess the percentage of stuff in the ivanka trump line that is made in the united states. about 90% of the people got the percentage right. i will let you make the announcement on tv. >> all right. well, our reporting really drove home the fact that president trump's goal to bring manufacturing back to the united states is a very difficult one to achieve. ivanka trump's company makes all of its products overseas in asian factories we found. and the president of the brand abigail clem said it's really difficult to try to bring manufacturing of the brand back to the united states in any
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large scale way. >> which is -- i understand that it's difficult. americans have become accustomed to low priced goods for valid reasons. they're made in low wage countries but the president has made this a centerpiece. the 30 to 40% depending on what poll you believe of voters who continue to support the president in large part report they did so because he was bringing manufacturing jobs to america. this is a hard square to -- circle to square. >> right. really what we heard from the apparel industry is there really aren't serious conversations about moving large scale apparel manufacturing back to the united states now. it's about trying to ensure for consumers that they feel comfortable that workers aren't being exploited in the making of their goods. so what we found was that ivanka trump's brand was actually lagging behind many in the industry when it comes to having oversight of those workers in foreign factories. >> we are talking about by the way various goods in indonesia,
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ethiopia, bangladesh, china. this is -- there's no magic to this, the reason they're made in those countries i think anybody can figure this out is that they are remarkably low wages paid for factory workers in those countries. >> sure. and for some of these workers even those low wages can be an economic life line, but we did talk to many workers who also said they work exhausting hours. they can barely cover their monthly expenses. many of the women in the indonesia factory live apart from their children because they can't afford to keep them with them. so there are some real challenges facing the workers. >> thanks for your reporting. the markets are about to close for the week. let's see some -- let's look at the markets. there we go. solid gains, the dow is up 90 points. we'll be right back.
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we have an important development today involving president trump's election
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integrity commission. earlier today the white house published public comments online regarding the commission without redacting names, e-mail address, home addresses and phone numbers. concerns now on how the commission might safeguard actual sensitive voter information they have requested from some states is now growing. this thing is crazy. okay, that does it for me for this hour. i'll be back here at 6:00 p.m. and joined by bill broader who once filed a complaint with the justice department about the russian lobbyist in the meeting with donald trump jr. "deadline: white house" with katy tur in for nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00. i'm katy tur, sitting in for nicolle wallace today as new developments continue to unfold in the trump/russia collusion investigation and donald trump jr.'s meeting more than a year ago with russian lawyer natalia veselnitskaya who offered to
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help swing the election in trump's favor. nbc has learned that two people not previously disclosed by don jr. were also present in that meeting. along with then campaign manager paul manafort and jared kushner. one of them is rinat akhmetshin with reported ties to russian intelligence agencies. he denies having any current ties to the russian government. akhmetshin offered "the washington post" his own account of the controversial meeting disclosing the new detail that the lawyer, natalia veselnitskaya quote left a document behind after the meeting. possibly containing information she believed could incriminate the democratic national committee. this flood of new information is coming just days after don jr. said on television that he told us everything there was to know about this encounter. >> i'm more than happy to be transparent about it a


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