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the whole notion of an on-camera briefing seem rare and less like the norm. the norm of course, we have traditionally been allowed to see the daily briefing on camera. that is our broadcast for tonight. >> i'm ari melber in for chris hayes. we have breaking news on russia tonight and a report on the speck tack lair failure of the president's health care. bernie sanders will be here on that. our breaking story there was another putin meeting. and the president attended it all by himself. the white house did not expose it when it occurred. and the meeting looks even more odd because the two leaders had already met, quite famously for two hours at the g20 summit in germany. "the washington post" breaking
this rather explosive story this evening noting the second meeting unreported at the time took place at a dinner for g20 leaders. halfway through the meal trump left hi own seat to occupy a chair next to putin. continuing in the article, trump was alone and putin was attended only by his official interpret or the "new york times" also reporting the intimate dinner conversation of which there is no record is the latest to raise eyebrows. foreign leaders who witnessed it later commented privately on the oddity of the american president with his counter part. while putin had that staffer with him, donald trump attended alone. that means president trump was entirely reliant on putin's staff translator in the meeting and he had no backup or
expertise present to represent america's interests. it's hard to imagine donald trump who prides himself on negotiations showing up alone and only relying on the competitors lawyer. if the white house has a reason they would do it with a foreign adversary, they have not offered it tonight. this story first broke into the open after something else interesting happened. ian bremmer was racing this saying there was a meeting no one has heard of. >> then he has a meeting with a lot of people not in it lasted over two hours, don't have a clear read out on exactly what was said from either side. then on top of that you have an hour that evening that no one's
even heard of. >> that no one's even heard of until now. joining me is julie her shfield davis. how did we learn about this? >> ian bremmer is one of the ways. also this was a lot of foreign leaders in the room who witnessed the exchange and privately commented on it. that tends to leak out. it was witnessed by a lot of people. and then after really hours in which i pressed the white house for answers on this, we finally got some confirmation from senior white house officials, who did acknowledge that, in fact, the meeting took place. that it pretty much unfolded the way it's been described by people who were in the room. and that, you know, theyor basically describing this as a routine thing. this was leaders and their spouses event, dinner. >> it's not routine. >> it's nothing unusual, but it's not routine for one leader to approach another leader and have an hour-long conversation, something this significant,
particularly after they just met for the first time formally on the sides of the summit and to not even have an american translator for this meeting. it was very unusual and all the other leaders recognized that even if president trump didn't. >> in your reporting have you seen a high level meeting like this where a u.s. president would enter it alone when a foreign leader had his own staff? >> i've never seen anything like this. it's not unusual necessarily for an american president to decide that one of these dinners is a place he wants to buttonhole another leader, but when that's the case, he prepares for that meeting he takes the translator that speaks that language. we know president trump took a translator that spoke japanese. if he planned this, he didn't tell any of his staff or if he did they did a disservice by not
sending with him someone who spoke the language and could be in the conversation. if you're going to have an hour long conversation with another leader -- >> right. these two men here were meeting for the first time in this high profile environment amidst the ongoing questions about whether on the trump side there was cooperation in illicit criminal activity in which the u.s. intelligence says was a criminal conspiracy to metal in the laeks election we know that came up in the two hours do we have any idea whether it came back up in this extra hour? >> there's no way of knowing. the kremlin may know. the kremlin does know. the translator overheard whatever the conversation was and interpreted both sides of it. there is no official u.s. account. there can't be because there wasn't another u.s. official
present. it's possible the president read it out to one of his officials, rex tiller son, maybe h.r. mcmaster who was on the trip. the white house is characterizing it as a brief private conversation. but they have no real way of reading something like that out. they knew going into this meeting -- the formal meeting with president putin that all the atmosphere surrounding about possible collusion made it difficult to come out of that meeting with anything other than a public relations nightmare. >> did the staff add milt to you they don't know because of the reasons you state? >> they do. they say there was no way to know what was discussed because we weren't there. >> which is not good. julie davis taking a break the from your reporting. i appreciate it. i have a couple guests here raring to go. this latest putin trump meeting is just the latest story.
there is also a story that states robert mueller is investigating the controversial summit between donald trump jr. and russian nationals. that was believed to raise criminal vegss but there was no indication whether the doj had gotten to it yet. and mueller's assignment was to look at crimes related to russian meddling and russian officials. after the firing of fbi director comey, they made it clear they would look at obstruction. now there is this third topic and it is quite specific, did any crimes mature out of that june 9th meeting at trump tower. one element of the crime is present in the writing, intent. as we saw, official documents and information offered to incriminate hillary clinton and her dealings with russia which
would be useful to your father and stating it is part of russian russia and its government support of mr. trump. today "the washington post" identified the eighth person, ike kaveladze, an american based employee of a russian real estate agency. telling "the washington post" he received a phone call from a representative of the special counsel if he would agree to be interviewed. that's pretty clear and that's how we know the special counsel is looking at that meeting. i want to go to the coauthor of that piece, also joined by a former u.s. attorney for the northern district of illinois. you look at this, it's not surprising, but what does it tell you that robert mueller is
not waisting any time trying to talk to people at the meeting? >> we learned about this meeting just a week ago, and by the weekend, he already had people calling asking for interviews. clearly this is of interest to them and they want to get on it as soon as possible before people lose their memories, before people have a chance to talk to each other potentially. his interest in it is obviously quite high. >> and do you infer in any way whether he knew about this previously? because it all grew initially out of jared kushner changing his documentation. >> i think the time line suggests they did not know about this previously and they certainly didn't know the identities of the people but they clearly were very interested in it as soon as they heard. >> from an investigative perspective i want you to put this hot recent story of the last week and a half in the context of the other hot story
of the last hour and a half. because would a federal investigator look at the ongoing contacts between say the president and russia if the theory of the case could include activity after the inauguration? >> it would be something they would look at, and regardless of what was said between the president and mr. putin, what i think is, you know, he made a major mistake by meeting alone with putin with literally no other american present. the implication that can be drawn from that is that he did not want the united states government to be aware of what he was telling putin. it reminds me of jared kushner early on, there was reportedly a back channel being created between jared kushner and the russians. and the difference there was at the time jared kushner didn't know he was going to be investigated for dealing with the russians. here the president is aware he
and his team is being investigated for collusion with the russians so he decides to have a meeting with the russian president with no american present to verify what was said or not said during that meeting. >> you're suggesting these reports of a private putin trump meeting that the white house never disclosed is the ultimate back channel? >> that implication can be drawn. no one will know -- will probably ever know in the united states at least, what was said during that meeting. but an implication can be drawn that there was something that the president wanted to talk to mr. putin about that he did not want an american to know. and maybe they talked about the new york yankees the whole time or something else, but an implication can be drawn that it was something he didn't want the u.s. government to know, and combined with a lot of evidence that could be used against him. >> walk us through how that works. jim comey testified under oath that he thought president trump cleared the room before they
talked about michael flynn and that was a piece of evidence that donald trump knew what he was doing was wrong and didn't want extra witnesses. walk us how investigators think that. how donald trump has welcomed an audience his entire life on just about everything and all of a sudden we're led to believe he's very private and shy when he has certain meetings about flynn, comey, and as of tonight meetings with putin. >> if i was a prosecutor looking at the evidence, i would look at mr. trump's meeting with other world leaders and see if he brought staff to those meetings. did he have another one on one that another american wasn't present for? if there wasn't, i think provided with other evidence, it could provide an implication that he had special interest in meeting alone with the russians. in itself he could be meeting to discuss baseball, hockey, or something else. the question is, if there's evidence out there that shows
his concerns about russia, dealings with russia, that could provide evidence of his intent that could be used against him. if i was representing the president and he asked me if this sort of meeting was a good idea, i would say absolutely not, and he should never meet with president putin or anyone else from the russian government without someone else who could corroborate his account and be sure there was another person who could testify that nothing unusual or concerning happened during that meeting. >> rose lin, this was the pledge by donald trump jr. in his first big interview after this, that we had all the info we needed. >> here it is. i'm more than happy to be transparent about it and i'm more than happy to cooperate with everyone. >> so farce you know this is all of it. >> this is everything. this is everything. >> was that everything? >> it was not at all everything. since that interview happened, there's been sort of this clown
car effect of additional people who have been identified to be in the room. first we had the russian america lobbyist who was a soviet army veteran who when he was in the army his duties included counterintelligence. that was interesting. we learned that last week. it turns out the lawyer brought a translator. and then today, of course, we have ike kaveladze, who's just yet another person who has an interesting back story of his own who was in the room. >> final question, you talked to white house officials and sometimes they say give us a break. this is not the only story that matters to americans or washington. why can't you get off russia. and then you look at a night like tonight and the drip, drip, drip of them holding back this information -- we didn't pick one country. if it was a one-off meeting with brazil we'd report that. it often seems to be russia.
your view of that. >> i think if that was their attitude, they should release all of the information themselves at once. and then we report it once and move on. they should have told us about this putin meeting at the time of the meeting when the president was in germany and there was all the reporting about his interactions with putin, it would have been part of that story that would have been it. they should have told us everything, everything they knew about who was in the room, how the meeting came about and why it was held. this don junior meeting at trump tower initially. just pull the band-aid off. >> well the band-aid is not all the way off from what we can tell. thank you for your reporting and expertise. coming up the president who guaranteed nothing but victory has been dealt by his own account a major loss on health care. he's now advocating for a failure of health care while proclaiming i'm not going to own it. there's a lot of fallout with trump care we'll be back in two
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six months after taking office, a president who promised on the campaign trail we are going to be tired of winning, well he has a new message, it's time to let one sixth of the u.s. economy, in his words fail. >> let obamacare fail. it'll be a lot easier and i think we're in that position we'll let obamacare fail. we're not going to own it. i can tell you the republicans are not going to own it. >> the presidents responding to the republicans failure to repeal and replace obamacare. this is the same president though who made this promise. >> you're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost. and it's going to be so easy. >> so easy. now trump's party controls both political branchs. you might call it full control as trump once tweeted about his predecessor.
obama's complaints about republicans stopping his agenda are bs since he has full control. today the president not taking responsibility for his own party's failure on repeal, this was, of course, seven years after promising this. >> it would be nice to have democrat support but they're obstructionists they have no ideas, thought processes. they want to obstruct, government, period. >> in may, the president held a premature celebration in the rose garden and basked in the applause of those same house republicans. >> your premiums we're going to start to come down and we're going to get it passed through the senate. this has brought the republican party together. as much as we have come up with a really incredible health care
plan, this has brought the republican party together. >> now, that was not a lie. it was just a prediction that proved to not be true. the president followed on that statement perhaps by making it untrue because he threw those 217 house republicans right under the bus for voting for that same bill. that sound you just heard. the deal maker told republican senators the house investigation of the bill he was celebrating was mean, mean, mean, and cold hearted and a son of a b. now, depending on what you think of that bill you might. with that, but it didn't make it easier to get to the republican unity he was celebrating there. and a lot of republicans are in the senate and that's where this ran into trouble. mitch mcconnell vowing to hold a straight obamacare repeal vote. but it would not be that straight. it has a two-year delay, when
you look at it, for lawmakers to try to get to the thing they couldn't do yesterday, the replacement part. and three republican senators have come out against that new repeal delay plan which suggests it has a rocky road. the white house vowing to fight on. the president inviting republican senators tomorrow to talk health care. >> the debate and the battle over health care isn't over. we're continuing to push forward to repeal and replace obamacare. and we're going to continue fighting for that every single day. >> they can keep fighting for it. the question that some republican senators have be gun answering is how do you fight for something if you don't like it. >> would you like to see more from the president on this? >>, you know, i -- i'd like to see a bill that people actually liked. i got to go. >> i got to go. i got to go. joining me now, people who don't have to go just yet.
kerry rubin, and gym manly. jim, what are we witnessing here. a master tactician in mcconnell having to make up the mistakes of donald trump. >> no. it's a stunning reboous buick of both leader mcconnell and the president. the fact is this is an amazing display of incompetence however you look at it. when i worked for senator reed he and obama and pelosi sat down and worked out a strategy to try to build some legislative momentum. these guys swung for the fences and failed spectacularly. i'll beat you to the punch this thing is not going to pass it's dead. >> yes, and i actually agree on this. they did not do the job that pelosi and reed and president
obama did, which was legislate. they took months and months of hearings of drawing people from various stake holder groups into the white house, into congress. at the end they did not have republican support but they had democratic support. the republicans refused to do that. i think they were caught flat-footed when president trump actually won. they never knew what they wanted to replace obamacare with. and as senator graham said, who is in favor of this? very few people. >> jennifer, i have a quick and then a longer question for up. from a conservative perspective would you describe the vote count the republicans did have on this as impressive? >> i'm sorry, the democrats had? >> the republicans yesterday, was that impressive for conservatives? is that a word you would use? >> no, it would not be impressive. >> my follow up question would be take a listen to the president's statements about it.
>> we have 52 people, we had four noes, we might have had another one somewhere in there but essentially the vote would have been pretty close to, if you look at it, 48-4. that's a pretty impressive vote by any standard. >> pretty impressive by any standard. >> first of all i don't think it would have been four noes. i think as susan collins said over the weekend you would have had eight or ten. but all that counts is if you can get to 50 and they never had that. when you listen to the president you're absolutely convinced he has no idea what he's talking about. he doesn't know what's in the legislation, what's possible. and i think it's hard for a party in power when the white house is unhelpful but completely dysfunctional and out to lunch. so mitch mcconnell had his hands full, i don't defend how he
dealt with this. but at least with the democrats they had a white house that was engaged and knowledgeable about the topic. >> to be fair just reading back the trump statement here when he says 48-4. obviously everyone knows there are 52 total members of the u.s. senate. so it's a fair count. >> well, close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades as the old saying goes. i had no idea. this must be the new math people are focussing on. i have no idea what he's talking about there. to jennifer's point it demonstrates the utter lack of understanding of how the hill operates. again they seriously miscalculated. they overreached, tried to put too much into this bill, including repealing obamacare, gutting medicaid, and, you know, it was december tinned to fail. and then you throe in the process leader mcconnell used
where he tried to put together the bill in secret. the opposite of what senator reed did and president obama. and he tried to jam it through the senate. finally his own caucus said no, this is too much. we are not going to go for this. so next week senator mcconnell is going to force a vote in the senate that is going to allow his colleagues to be tagged as taking away health care for 32 million americans. >> and does trump own it? he says he doesn't own it. >> he owns it lock, stock and barrel. as does mcconnell. i've never seen anything like it. the job of the leader in the senate is protect his caucus. all mcconnell is going to do is force his folks to take a vote that they are going to own from here on out. it's an amazing utter lack of regard from the senate and a debasement of the legislative process. >> does he own it or are we witnessing something donald trump knew about in his business life which is a slow motion
bankruptcy? >> he is going to own this. and the other person who screwed up big time was speaker ryan. he had those people take a vote on a bill that was probably less poplar than the one here. he had a lot of moderates take the plank and those people are going to be vulnerable in 2018. so those people are going to be mad at the leadership in their house. >> we had a conservative here and a democratic insider and it's what we call a hot panel or hot bench. i appreciate your energy and enthusiasm. thank you. >> still to come, bernie sanders calling the defeat of the health care bill a victory for the people of this country. i'm going to ask him, of course, about the russian hacking at the dnc. that's ahead. after brushing, listerine® total care strengthens teeth, helps prevent cavities
republican jerry moran of kansas was one of two senators who killed officially the latest health care bill and he may have been influenced by an outpouring of opposition in his home state. he was one of the few republicans who held public town halls during the july fourth recess and he got an ear full from his constituents saying don't support this bill. another senator across the isle, bernie sanders has been working on that. whipping up what is commonly called the resistance. i'm going to speak with senator sanders about the trump bill fail right after this break. i got a mortgage offer from the bank today. whuuuuuat? you never just get one offer. go to lendingtree.com and shop multiple loan offers for free!
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senator bernie sanders has been traveling the country for the last several weeks speaking to people in states, including west virginia about this republican health care proposal. today i asked bernie sanders if it did mark a victory for him in defending obamacare? >> it is a victory for the american people who stood up by the millions in town meetings, rallies, who bombarded capitol hill with phone call and said we're not going to see people thrown off health care, we're not going to defund planned
parenthood, cud medicaid by $800 billion, make it almost impossible for people with pre-existing conditions to get health care. it's a victory for the american people and all of us who believe we have to move toward a health care for all system. that health care is a right of all people, not a privilege. >> president trump as you know, had this to say today about the road ahead. >> let obamacare fail. it'll be a lot easier. and i think we're probably in the position we'll let obamacare fail. i'm not going to own it. i can tell you the republicans are not going to own it. >> what's your response to the president? >> my response is last i heard, trump was the president of the united states, the leader of our country, republicans controlled the house and the senate. and it is beyond comprehension,
although i know it's -- you know, we keep saying this about donald trump, but it is beyond comprehension that you have a president who basically wants millions of people to suffer so he thinks he can win some political points. the truth is, as everybody knows, the affordable care act is far from perfect. we need to improve it, not destroy it. we need to, among other things, lower the cost of prescription drugs, save consumers, the government money. we need to lower the cost -- lower medicare eligibility from 65 to 55 and then begin the process of doing what every other country on earth is doing and that is guaranteeing health care for all people and that is a right through single payer program. >> one thing you and mitch mcconnell have in common here you both maintained pretty consistent positions on the
policy. the president has not. he's been all over the map as you know. do you think that has helped or hurt the republicans to have a president who says he's for this and then against it, the health care bill the house had was great and he held a reception for it and then said it was mean. has it helped or hurt them? >> i think it's hurt them a whole lot. you have a president who as a candidate said i'm going to provide great health care to everybody. to everybody. who then tells us, as you just mentioned, after supporting the house bill says it's kind of a mean bill and then gives different signals to the republican leadership. i think it's not easy to be a republican in the united states congress with donald trump as the president. but look, having said that, our job is to get beyond the politics of this. our job is to do what every other country does, guarantee health care to all people. ask simple questions why is it
under our dysfunctional system we are spending far more on health care than any other nation. why do we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs, why are our health care outcomes in terms of life expectancy, infant mortality not as good. and i look forward to getting actively involved in that. >> i want to turn to russia the hacks, 2016, as you know often in the news. look at it on the democratic primary side. as you know, some of the hacks helped donald trump and some involved a debate between you and hillary clinton. there was a hacked e-mail that exposed that the dnc chair, in response to you saying if you were president you'd remove her, she said, quote, he isn't going to be president. and then you and others called for her to resign after those leaks.
when you look back at that, she did get ousted right before the convention, what we didn't understand then that we do now is those were partly operations of russia according to to u.s. intelligence. did you benefit from that and would you do it different knowing what we know now. >> knowing what we know now doesn't help me figure out what i would have done back then. all i can say is a couple of things. number one, russian hacking in the united states and their cyber warfare in france, estonia, the ukraine, is very dangerous stuff. it is unacceptable. and the russians cannot be allowed to get away with that stuff. this is cyber warfare, the russian effort is to destabilize our democracy and other democracies around the world. they have to pay a price for that. that cannot be allowed to continue.
>> it does look different in hindsight. did you know then part of their design would be to leak the e-mails so there would be more rifts in the democratic party? >> what we knew -- well, of course we knew that. we knew they were trying to cause divisiveness in the democratic party. that's not great secret. >> when you hear the president say any politician would take meetings with foreign nationals about their opponents does that strike you as absurd? >> of course it is absurd, we need with ambassadors and representatives of countries all over the world, yes, we meet with them, but that's different than breaking the law and meeting about campaign matters with leaders of foreign countries. that's against the law, most politicians, president trump do
not do that. >> thanks for senator sanders for joining us. coming up a new low, how this president has the lowest approval rating. and then trump hearts truck is thing one, thing two right after this break. "got a minute? not for me, for you." new aveeno®... ...positively radiant® 60 second in shower facial. works with steam to reveal... ...glowing skin in just one minute.
thing one tonight president trump hearts trucks. and not just because he wore a button saying i heart trucks, although that was one indicator but because he really seems to enjoy having trucks at the white house. there was a shiny red fire truck that he climbed up in the cap. he did it earlier when there was a big rig parked outside. but there's another trend developing. each time he has hopped behind the wheel it has been as a major
where's the fire? put it out fast. >> they had fun. president trump inspecting a fire truck at the white house, this was part of that made in america week product tour. but over on capitol hill it was less fun. republicans attempt to pass health care was about to go up in flames. one reporter telling jeff zeleny, trump was playing with a fire truck and trying on a coy boy had when the bill was collapsing and he had no clue. >> this was not the first time he's done that. when the president was doing that in the big rig on march
23rd, that same minute there was news breaking on capitol hill. >> breaking news coming in to msnbc, the vote on health care not happening today. >> you can't make it up and you don't need to, because that really happened. what we're telling you is that every time the president climbs into a truck in front of the cameras, a republican health care bill dies. hi.
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obama that was 57%. that was leading into the summer of his own big health care battles. and then trump's job approval, 39% in gallup, and another poll has his job approval down lower at 36%. which is is lowest of any president at this point in the presidency of the last 70 years. basically since the advent of modern polling. this was disturbing or at least notable enough that president trump decided to address it. he tweeted that this poll from abc washington post basically 40% is not bad and it was about the most inaccurate poll around election time. so not true but even if it were it's okay. that seems to be the line there. >> there is one segment of the population that remains strong for strong, his own voters.
>> be strong and face the establishment republicans because regular americans like myself are behind you and we will help you. >> some good news there in our reporting on president trump's supporters. the general poll numbers slipping but his supporters are with him. "washington post"/abc with the record low of 36 but 32% of trump voters don't believe don't even met with a russian lawyer to get dirt on hillary clinton. trump rallied supporters to hold on to what is obviously some very strong approval. it's still working for him in many ways in the white house. look at this tweet today. totally obstruct, he says, is the democrats strategy and explained the failure on health care. joining me is peter hessler who
wrote a big piece of this in "the new yorker," "how trump is transforming america" and also joining me is the former senior adviser to hillary clinton campaign. peter, what did you find out there? >> i've been coming out here to a city called grand junction in western colorado since october of last year. you know, this was a county where trump won almost 65% of the vote and i have found what the polls have indicated is that there's no change in the support. you know, i have never met a single person who voted for president trump who expressed any regret at this point. >> why? >> you know, i think part of this is they see the opposition to him as being unfair. and they believe that, you know, like the russia investigation is
not legitimate and that that zaps him and has prevented him from accomplishing the things that he's said he's going to do. also, it's partly human behavior. when people make a commitment to something, i think it takes them time to change their mind if they do change their mind. >> right. you're talking about the deeper desire that humans have to be right. jess, we have three minutes. i'd like you to unpack where that comes from, the heart, the mind, the spirit. i think that's a fair place to start. >> that's an absolutely fair question. >> i'd like you to acknowledge the fact that donald trump is really good at politics. he may not be good at government, but in terms of politics, this is a guy who has won and is still in power and is benefiting from one of the most powerful forces in politics, which is the idea that you are against something, that you're the opposition and that's when you have to fight the hardest and stay unified. >> he's made that an entire brand for himself and i believe
there will always be a certain minority and i do want to stress that not only are trump voters the minority, trump supporters are the minority. we spend a lot of time and peter's piece is excellent, deep diving into who these people are, where they feel wronged, why they do what they do but they are the minority of our country. there are a number of them that will believe that the russian meeting didn't happen and that donald senior and junior say that it did. that the media institutions are colluding with our liberal colleges to make sure that conservative values can't be taken seriously in this country. they will believe what alex jones says. they will believe that nothing is true in "the new york times" or "the washington post." i'm not sure how to reach those people except with family conversations and neighbors talking to neighbors. but this is -- what's happening with donald trump now is that he is losing not just the establishment republicans but we
saw folks in small towns in kansas show up, half the population in kansas showed up to protest trumpcare. that wasn't just liberal elites on the coast. this is a red state rural resistance, and we are seeing -- that is the reason why the vote to repeal isn't going to happen the way trump would want it to. it's not about the coastal elites at this point. >> peter, you look at that level of loyalty and it reminds me of something i covered a lot during the campaign, which is that people who love donald trump jr. so much, they spent money to go to trump university to learn business and then the business went out of business and the customer who is sued it went from originally loving him so much that they were paying for it to suing him because they felt he was a con. is that a predicate for some plurality of what some trump voters might feel? >> there are two sides of trumps that appeal to people. one is pragmatic. he's a businessman. he gets things done.
if he goes into office, he's not going to behave like other politicians. the other side was the emotional side, that somehow he spoke to people who feel alienated from our political discourse, people who feel ignored by the coastal media and the coastal elites. and so both of these dynamics were there before he came into office. what i have noticed is that since he's been in office, there hasn't been a lot of pragmatic progress. he hasn't behaved like a businessman who just wants to get things done. and so what ends up happening is that supporters i find are more likely now to connect to the emotional side of it. and the attacks, of course, make it even less likely to get things done because those attacks don't work with institutions, they don't work with professional politicians. >> jess, in a sentence, what's the best argument to those voters? >> it's going to be the substance of what he can or can't get down as he goes forward. they voted for him for a reason and he's not going to be able to deliver except for those who
want to watch it all burn. >> peter, thanks for calling in. that's what donald trump does for interviews. thank you very much. that's "all in." don't forget, you can catch me hosting my new show 6:00 p.m. eastern weekdays at some point in the future. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. tonight, what we're learning about a second meeting between trump and putin at the g20. and now the questions, what was said and why weren't we told? and the problem with both answers. plus, a shockingly blunt assessment from the president on the defeat of the republican health care plan. he says he is not going to own it. but what about health care for millions of americans with anxiety over cost coverage and the future? and the author of the number one book in the country is here with us tonight. it's about the man time magazine called the great manipulator, steve bannon. "the 11th hour" begins now. on this tuesday night, good