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second meeting with vladimir putin. but why are we just learning about that hour-long dinner conversation at the g20 summit? and why does it matter? and o.j. out? in less than 24 hours, o.j. simpson's fate will be decided at a parole hearing. why there is a very good chance that "the juice" goes free. those stories this just a moment. we start at the white house this afternoon where there are just a few things happening. first of all, at this moment, president trump is meeting with republican senators who arrived by bus, just a few minutes ago. we just got this video in. they arrived there at the white house to see if there is anything to be done that would revive the senate's health care bill. the president also this morning took another step in his quest to get to the bottom of a problem that few besides him acknowledges an actual problem. voter fraud. just a short time ago, he spoke at the first meeting of that controversial presidential
advisory commission on election integrity, telling attendees, quote, there's something, there always is. and then there is the continued slow drip, drip of the russia controversy. we now know there was a second conversation with vladimir putin at the g20 meeting two weeks ago, and the only people who know what happened during that conversation, donald trump, vladimir putin and the russian translator. they are the only ones who were in that meeting. msnbc's chris jansing at the white house, capitol hill correspondent, kasie hunt, is with us. so is john mclaughlin, msnbc national security analyst. also a former acting director of the cia. and johnfeiner, former cheap of staffer for then secretary of state john kerry. that video we're just getting in of the senators being dropped off from lunch. what can we expect to come out of this lunch? >> reporter: well, craig, that is a great question.
based on the early initial reporting here, and i would like to underscore that nbc news doesn't have this confirmed at this point, but there are some reports that the president is telling senators to repeal and replace obamacare, and that the time is now. that, of course, a distinctly different message from what we have been hearing from the white house, and, of course, the latest plan from mitch mcconnell to just hold a vote on that straight repeal. there has been a lot of confusion here. a lot of demoralized, i would say, republican senators who have been trying to figure out exactly what the game plan is to move forward. mitch mcconnell had wanted to hold a vote to proceed to that straight repeal bill this morning, but, of course, put it off yesterday, announcing on the floor that he had spoken to the president and vice president, and therefore, they were going to delay it until early next week. so a lot of mixed signals coming from the white house right now. i want to show you a little bit of the reaction that we've had over the course of the morning. this mostly from before --
entirely, i should say, before the senators headed over to the white house. take a look. >> i think this bill is going to get done. the president is probably going to close the deal today. and if that's the case, this bill moves forward. >> is there anything the president can say to bring you on board with the draft b, i guess? >> the fully loaded version of the amendment. >> i'm fully on board with the president. i think he needs to get more engaged. for serve seven years he has said if you elect us, we will repeal obamacare. i think we will look like fools if we can't deliver on that promise. >> reporter: pretty -- fighting words from ted cruz there. we will look like fools if we can't get this done. i have spoken to a number of republicans, privately, who feel like they may have already reached that point and are very frustrated with how this process is unfolding between the republican leaders and the white house. so it will be telling to see if they come back saying they feel like they have a better plan
than when they left or if they are simply more confused about where this whole thing ends up, craig. >> kasie hunt on the hill. stand by for me if you can. chris jansing, we just heard from corey lewandowski who said that the president is going to hammer out a deal over lunch on health care. realistically, what do we expect the president is going to be able to get done here over a lunch meeting this afternoon? >> reporter: let us be realistic. for seven years, republicans have tried. mitch mcconnell, with his reputation as somebody who is able to move legislation, wasn't able to get anything done. the president thinks somehow that's going to change. clearly, the strategy here is to put some pressure on lawmakers. he's been threatening the democrats, saying let's just let the whole thing go away. let it collapse, and then you'll be forced to come to the table. then, switching gears now, trying to put some pressure on republicans, calling out individuals. look, we know that the president has been very exasperated by
this. but equally so, when you just heard that from kasie, a lot of the members of congress have been exasperated, because they don't know where he stands. let me show you his last couple of tweets on this. quote, the republicans never discuss how good their health care bill is. obviously, putting the onus on them. it will get even better at lunch time. the dems scream "death" as obamacare dies. >> chris, stand by for me. president trump is speaking at this luncheon now. let's listen in. >> so important. we're in this room today to deliver on our promise to the american people to repeal obamacare and to ensure that they have the health care that they need. we have no choice. we have to repeal and replace obamacare. we can repeal it, but the best is repeal and replace. and let's get going. i intend to keep my promise, and i know you will too.
since 2013, obamacare premiums have skyrocketed. in alaska, they went up over 200% recently. we know that. in arizona, they have been up 118%. and those states are good, compared to some of the numbers that are coming out. despite the promise that premiums would decrease by $2,500 on average, they have actually increased by almost $3,000, and even much more than that in some cases. it's crushing the middle class, and the families of the middle class. it's frankly crushing our country. obamacare was a big lie. you can keep your doctor. lie. you can keep your plan. lie. it was a lie. directly from the president. you can keep your doctor. you can keep your plan. 28 times he said it. 28 times. and it was a lie, and he knew it
was. and now it's hurting this country irreparably. premiums are so high that 6.5 million americans chose to pay a fine to the irs instead of buying insurance. the famous mandate. we will pay not to take the insurance. people don't understand that. they don't even understand what it is or what it represents. if obamacare is not repealed in 2018, over 1,300 counties in the united states will have only one insurer. 40 counties will have absolutely no coverage in the exchange. and that number will grow rapidly. and i think those numbers are extremely conservative. i think they're very low. i've been here just six months. i'm ready to act. i have pen in hand, believe me. i'm sitting in that office. i have pen in hand. you never had that before.
you know, for seven years, you had an easy route. we'll repeal, we'll replace. and he's never going to sign it. but i'm signing it. so it's a little bit different. but i'm ready to act. for seven years, you've promised the american people that you would repeal obamacare. people are hurting. inaction is not an option. and frankly, i don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan, unless we can give our people great health care. because we're close. we're very close. the other night i was very surprised when i heard a couple of my friends -- my friends -- they really were and are. they might not be very much longer, but that's okay. i think. i have to get them back. >> just don't look this way. >> no. you didn't go out there. this was the one we were worried about. you weren't there. but you're going to be. you're going to be.
look, he wants to remain a senator, doesn't he? okay? and i think the people of your state, which i know very well, i think they're going to appreciate what you hopefully will do. any senator who votes against is telling america you're fine with obamacare. but being okay with obamacare isn't an option for another reason. because it's gone. it's failed. it's not going to be around. we pay hundreds of millions of dollars a month in subsidy that the courts don't even want us to pay. and when those payments stop, it stops immediately. it doesn't take two years, three years, one year. it stops immediately. on the other hand, and i have to say this, a yes vote will let senators debate the future of health care and suggest different ways to improve the bill. and we're going to do that today. that's what we're going to do at lunch. we are so close. the way i looked at it -- you know, we have no democrat help.
they're obstructionists. that's all they're good at, is obstruction. they have no ideas. they've gone so far left, they're looking for single-payer. that's what they want. but single-payer will bankrupt our country. because it's more than we take in for just health care. so single-payer is never going to work. but that's what they would like to do. they have no idea what the consequence will be. and it will be horrible, horrible health care, where you wait in line for weeks to even see a doctor. but we're going to expand tax-free health savings account, the hsas, to increase health care coverage. getting washington out of the way and giving more control and funding back to the states. stabilizing exchanges so that those preexisting conditions are protected. you know, you listen to schumer, and before he even knew what the plan said -- he didn't see it. most of the people in this room never saw it. and he was saying, death!
everyone is going to die. death, death, death. that's the only thing they're good at. and this is a great plan. this isn't just a good plan. this is far better than obamacare and more generous than obamacare. saving medicaid, which is on an unsustain -- really unsustainable path, and let's states spend those dollars freely. so the states are going to be able to spend the dollars. and as a smaller entity, the states will be able to take better care of a person with a bad back. with a bad prognosis. with a problem. i'd like the federal government to focus on the middle east. to focus on north korea. to focus on things while we have very big problems. the states can do a better job than the federal government when it comes to health care. and that's what we're letting you do. and we're committing $45 billion
to help combat the opioid epidemic. and some states in particular like that. so my message today is really simple. we have to stay here, we shouldn't leave town mu, and we should hammer this out and get it done. and just not a repeal. hey, it was sort of early on, along with a few of the other folks at the table. the repeal was fine. i was with it. but we ought to get more -- i think the people of this country need more than a repeal. they need a repeal and a replace. and we were very, very close. and then little things happened. but now we're very close again. we have to get it there. now, with john cornyn the other night, we had a couple of things that we put down on paper. i'm just going to read them really fast. but these are some of the things that are done. because the democrats are always selling their plan, but they don't do that any more. they don't talk about obamacare any more, because they can't, because it's failed. they know it.
so they're selling their plan. and we never sell our plan. if we're doing anything, it's letting people know how good it was. so we wrote down these few things. repeals the individual mandate. how big is that? where people are paying not to have insurance. nobody ever talks about that. repeals job-killing employer mandate. how big is that? we'll substantially lower premiums. and remember this. cross-country lines. cross-state lines. where you have -- where it's almost impossible for insurance companies to compete in different states. we can't, because of, unfortunately, the 60 votes. put that here. but it's going to come very soon. we're putting it in a popular bill. and that will come. and that will come, and your premiums will be down 60 and 70%.
people don't know that. nobody hears it. nobody talks about it. but your premiums are going to. we're going to have the cross-state lines knocked out. and you'll have insurance companies bidding. you'll have forms of insurance that you don't even know about right now. because that's the way it works. there's going to be tremendous competition. so your premiums will be substantially lower. repeals burdensome taxes. big. we'll restore choices. the bill also provides for expanded coverage option. so you're going to have a tremendously expanded coverage and options. we'll stabilize insurance markets. the markets right now, by the way, are gone. they're a mess. and depending on what happens here, depending what happens over the next couple of weeks, the insurance companies are all fleeing. we'll protect preexisting condition coverage. you listen to the democrats, they say, oh, they're giving up -- you're going to have
better preexisting than they had in their plan. and you're going to be protected. we'll allow the use of pretax dollars to pay premiums. we'll expand the hsas. we'll devote substantial resources to fight opioid and other substance abuse. we'll provide better coverage for low-income americans. by the way, low-income americans under our plan -- and we're doing things at this meeting which i think you'll be very happy about. because we're going to spend some more money to make sure everybody is protected. we'll provide better coverage for low-income americans. we'll improve medical outcomes for low-income americans. puts medicaid on a sustainable path, which is not on right now. levels the playing field for states when it comes to federal dollars. reforms major entitlements, now a principle driver of the $20 trillion debt we have. and we'll redirect authority
from washington, d.c., to the states, which i've already said, where they can innovate and develop the best practices and on a smaller basis. they'll be able to take care of people better. so we can repeal, but we should repeal and replace, and we shouldn't leave town until this is complete, until this bill is on my desk, and until we all go over to the oval office, i'll sign it, and we can celebrate for the american people. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. thank you very much. and there you have it. president trump just a few moments ago there at the white house, urging senators not to leave town. of course, congress set to leave next week, and not return to
washington until september -- until after labor day. president trump asking them to stick around and get a bill on his desk. the health care bill had been thought to have been dead. president trump insisting that is not the case. also clearing up some confusion. he now says that he wants a repeal and replace. that had, of course, initially been the case, and then they decided, you know what, we can repeal the thing and replace it later. we just heard from president trump. the new strategy once again appears to be repeal and replace. chris jansing is standing by at the white house. our congressional correspondent, kasie hunt, is also there. and so is kristen welker. we should also note, chris jansing, the president flanked by two senators there, senator tim scott from south carolina on his left, and on his right, dean heller, from nevada. they seem to be enjoying each other's company.
dean heller held that news conference a few weeks ago explaining precisely why it was that he could not vote for the senate bill as it stood. 15 minutes ago, chris, we're having this conversation, and i think we both got the sense that there was not a great deal that could be done to salvage this thing. do you get the sense now that something has changed, chris? >> reporter: there is nothing in what he said that would indicate that he has made -- there are substantial agreements within this bill that would address what has split the republican party itself, let alone bring those democrats on board. if he was serious about saying, hey, we have a breakthrough here, something that's different from when this all fell apart, he would have come out and said, here's what the concerns were. here's how we would have addressed them. he didn't say that. he simply said, we're going to get this done over lunch. and remember, the bill that the senate put out there not so long ago in a poll showed approval rating of 12% by the american people. and he is talking to a group of
republicans who are seeing as they wake up this morning another poll that suggests a majority of americans want the democrats to take control of congress. 52% compared to 38% who think republicans should take control of congress. so other than him getting them together as he did the other night for dinner, some key republican senators who he thought could help him come up with a strategy, even as two of them were deciding to pull out, there is nothing that we heard here to indicate that there is a significant change in this that they believe will bring intransigent members on board, except that he keeps telling them, and it hasn't worked so far. we made this promise, we have to keep this promise. craig. >> kasie, again, 15 minutes ago, we were talking about what lawmakers were saying on the hill about this particular bill. president trump, among other things, he promised a bill that was better and more generous
than obamacare. he said that low-income americans would have better coverage, expanded use of health savings accounts, hsas. pretax money being used for premiums. preexisting coverage. also something that they would be addressing. do you get the sense that there is going to be tweaks made to the current bill and that those tweaks would be introduced over the next week or so? or are we talking about a new bill entirely? >> reporter: craig, i have to tell you, after listening to that, i am very confused. i really don't know what else to tell you. this has been a very long, drawn-out process. the white house has been back and forth and back and forth. and a couple, few hours ago, it was repeal without replace. that was the plan. now it's back to being repeal and replace. don't repeal without replacing. but, frankly, both of those paths have shown to be untenable. mitch mcconnell acknowledged yesterday we don't have the 50 votes to agree on a replacement.
lindsey graham said what we were selling is not popular. 16% of americans on board with it. we can't do it that way. so they were going to say, okay, fine, we are going to give into white house demands we just do a repeal-only. those demands echoed by people, conservatives, like senator rand paul. but at this point, it is not clear to me they have the votes for either one of those paths, and until these senators -- maybe they'll come back and tell me something completely new. but quite frankly, i do not see how the fundamentals of this have changed simply because the president says they have. >> all right. kasie, stand by. kristen welker, also stand by for me if you can. i want to bring in senator chris van holland, democrat from maryland. senator, were you able to hear the president's comments there? >> i was. and it's very clear, the president has not read the senate republican bill. because it doesn't do any of the things he said it would do. which is why you have all the people who are a part of our
medical system opposed to this bill. the doctors, the nurses, the hospitals. every patient advocacy group. the american cancer society. the american diabeties association, alzheimer's association. all of them. they're not republicans or democrats. and they're against this bill. so the american people are on to this bill. no amount of selling something that's a real stinker is going to persuade the american people to come on board. as we just heard, only 12% support it. and frankly, i haven't found those 12%, even though i've gone to trump territory in the state of maryland. so on this bill, even those who supported trump, i think see it as a betrayal. >> senator, this idea that the president is now encouraging you and your colleagues to delay your summer recess, urging senators not to leave town until they get a repeal and replace bill on his desk, i imagine you have republican friends in the senate.
do you get the sense that something that they are willing to do? >> so, look, i want to be really clear. first of all, we should defeat and bury this senate republican bill. for all the reasons that we have heard, it would result in more than 20 million americans losing access to affordable care. the new trump proposal with ted cruz on the insurance markets would blow up insurance. so we've got to defeat that. but democrats have been willing to work from day one and stay here in august if we're focused instead on improving those parts of the affordable care act that can be improved. the exchanges can be strengthened. there's no doubt about it. there are other things we can do. but first we have to defeat this unconscionable proposal. i would just remind you, we heard the president talk in public about the house bill. and in the rose garden, he was celebrating the greatest thing ever. behind closed doors, it was a mean bill. the senate bill is even meaner.
>> senator chris van hollen of maryland. senator, thank you for your time. i know you've got to get running and i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> kristen welker also standing by. kristen, something else we heard from president trump during that exchange there, he would prefer to be focusing on the middle east and north korea instead of health care. what's the sense that you're getting that this is a white house that's just ready to move on to something else? anything else? >> reporter: oh, i think this president has been ready to move on to his other agenda items for quite some time, craig. there is no doubt about that. he wants to get to tax reform, when you think about his domestic agenda. but he knows that both in terms of the math and also in terms of the momentum, he needs to try to get health care done. and that this is a major set back for him. one thing really struck me that we heard from the president. he repeated over and over again, we're so close. and the reality is, craig,
they're not close. you have some senators who feel as though the bill doesn't go far enough to fully repealing obamacare. senators like rand paul, for example. and then you have others who say, look, it goes too far in terms of stripping medicaid coverage. and so there are a lot of concerns about that. there are four senators who officially came out against the repeal and replace measure. but the thinking is that the numbers are actually quite larger. there are a lot of hurdles that the president, that the senate needs to get over in order for this to be a viable piece of legislation. and then i go back to something that kasie said, which is really at the crux of this, which is what is the strategy moving forward? the president has been touting a number of different strategies over the past several days. and now it seems as though he is reviving this idea of repeal and replace. but it's not clear that there is any realistic sense within the senate that that can be revised. that leader mcconnell thinks he can actually take another stab at that. i think what we were witnessing
is a president who was realizing the political enormity of what looks like it could be a defeat, as he pointed out himself, republicans have campaigned on this notion of repealing and replacing obamacare for seven years. and it was really the crux of his campaign argument, craig. go back to some of those moments on the campaign trail when he said he's going to get this done, repeal and replace within his first day or first week in office. and so this is very far from that promise. i think you heard him really turning up the heat there. another thing to sort of think about, we heard what the president said publicly. what is he saying to them behind closed doors? i anticipate the language is getting a lot tougher right now, craig. >> all right, kristen welker, thank you. and we should probably start to hear from some of those senators in that room shortly after this meeting wraps up. perhaps get a accepsense of the strategy moving forward. kasie hunt probably capturing the sentiment there in washington. confusion. confusion.
so while we've been following that breaking news, there's also been some breaking news from the supreme court of the united states on president trump's controversial travel ban. our justice correspondent, pete williams, is standing by with the latest on that. pete, tell us about this new decision, sir. >> reporter: this all has to do with how the government has been putting into effect the supreme court's ruling in late june that said the government can begin to enforce the travel ban partly. but you may remember, the state department said that people will be exempt if they come from the six countries and they have friends, relatives in the united states who are siblings, fiances, parents or children, but not grandparents, aunts and uncles, other more distant relatives, you might say. well, a hawaii judge ruled last week that that makes no sense. that mothers in law that the state department said would be covered are certainly as close as grandmothers, which the state department said would not be exempt. today the supreme court declined to put a hold on the hawaii
judge's ruling in part. so the hawaii judge's ruling will stand, meaning that grandmothers, aunts, uncles, cousins, will now be able to apply for visas during this 90-day period of the travel ban. but the supreme court at the same time put on hold the second part of the hawaii judge's ruling that had to do with refugees. the supreme court said refugees could be exempt if they had a relationship with the u.s. entity. the challengers in the state of hawaii argued that a sponsoring organization is such an entity, but the government said if that's the rule, then that pretty much means all refugees would be exempt. what the supreme court said today is, let's let the ninth circuit court of appeals work that out. and in the meantime, it's on hold. so it's a split victory. the challengers, the state of hawaii, they get something on the relatives. the government gets something on the refugees. next stop is the ninth circuit. no deadline on when to act. i'm sure it will invite briefs from both parties, so we're probably looking at another couple of weeks before we get the answer on that and then it
could come back to the supreme court again, craig. >> all right. justice correspondent, pete williams, breaking it down for us. for those of you watching at home, no, that is not some sort of different angle there of the high court. pete is in colorado there at a conference. pete, thank you. thanks for helping us. >> reporter: you bet. sick. that's how president trump describes reports about that second meeting with vladimir putin. but why are we just learning about that hour-long dinner conversation at the g20? and why does it matter? plus, o.j. simpson could be a free man in less than 24 hours. can anything stand in the way of simpson getting parole after serving nine years or armed robbery? you don't know this yet but in fifteen hundred miles, you'll see what you're really made of. after five hours of spinning and one unfortunate ride on the gravitron, your grandkids spot a 6 foot banana that you need to win. in that moment, you'll be happy you partnered with a humana care manager and got your health back on track.
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explained the second meeting. take a listen. >> many of the leaders that were in that room, including, you know, america's most important allies, were quite surprised. they found it unusual and noteworthy. the body language, the chemistry, the fact that it went on for so long. and the fact, of course, it reflected a much warmer relationship between trump and putin than he has with any of the other leaders in the room. >> john mclaughlin, what do you make of this most recent revelation? >> you know, craig, on one sense, it's fair enough for the president to be able to move around a meeting like this and have a conversation with other leaders. what makes it unusual, of course, is the mysterious relationship that donald trump has with russia generally and the investigation that's under way. i would have three concerns about a meeting like this. first, he didn't have his own translator. i've been in a lot of meetings like this where my translator has said to me, that translator didn't translate that correctly.
so the president in this case can't have any assurance that what he said was translated correctly, or what he heard was translated correctly. the second thing is, if you remember that meeting that he had in the oval office with a couple of russian diplomats where he slipped on some intelligence and revealed some sources that he shouldn't have revealed. so i'm not sure he's familiar enough with the sources and methods on intelligence to have a -- sort of a free form conversation with a russian president at this point. and third, as ian just referred to, i think it leaves the europeans kind of confused. they're already wobbly on russian sanctions, and they see the president being so chummy with putin. i think it leaves them very confused. that would be my thinking on it at this point. >> john finer, this is the president's response via twitter, of course. two most recent responses on twitter. fake news story of secret dinner with putin is sick. all go 20 leaders, spouses were invited by the chancellor of
germany. press knew. what's wrong with talking with vladimir putin in full view of everyone? >> well, i mean, nothing is wrong with talking with vladimir putin, per se. that's not the problem with what happened the other night. the problem with what happened the other night is how we learned about it, for one thing. we learned about this from somebody not affiliated with the u.s. government, but somebody who dug this out from conversations with other world leaders. the white house knows very well how interested people are in the u.s.-russia relationship and what scrutiny they're under and yet continually with aides in the white house and now with the president himself, these interactions with russia are only learned about either through news reporting or through some other leaked disclosure. not officially revealed by the white house. to me, that's the biggest problem with the meeting. >> how real is the possibility that there have been other meetings like this or conversations like this that we know nothing about? >> yeah, i think the honest answer at this point is who knows? we don't know what we don't know. and with this white house, the challenge we have is that they don't have credibility when they say now everything is out there.
even the president's son the other night went on television and said you know now everything about this meeting i had with the russians in trump tower during the campaign period. and the reality was, we learned over the course of the succeeding days, three or four other people that were in that meeting that were not known before the president's son went on tv. so this kind of stuff does not give them a lot of credibility, i think, to be able to say definitively that the case is closed here. >> and john mclaughlin, again, your three points. the fact there wasn't a translator. the fact that the president may have shared sensitive information, once again. and that we've got european allies that remain confused because of our relationship with russia. beyond those three things, pull-asides like this at meetings like this between two heads of state, are those common? >> reporter: oh, quite common, yes. it would be uncommon, i think, for, as in this case, the president to pull someone aside separately and spend an entire hour with them to the exclusion of everyone else. but generally speaking, a
pull-aside like this is quite normal. and it probably would have escaped notice if he had had simply a five or ten-minute conversation with putin and then gone on to someone else like macron or the german chancellor or the head of the imf. in other words, if he had worked the room a little bit. i think what was unusual is the exclusive focus on putin. >> forgive my ignorance here, mr. mclaughlin. but the president of the united states, how real is the possibility that every couple of days he might decide he wants to have a conversation with vladimir putin? would he just pick up the phone and have this conversation and we would know nothing about it or would there be a readout? would there be some sort of record? >> reporter: in my experience, and i've been in the oval office during such conversations, there is always, in previous administrations, to be sure, a set of talking points for the president. some background on what he's going to discuss. and at least one or two or three
witnesses who are listening in on the conversation. and perhaps advising him as he goes along. so i think -- unless they break protocol entirely on this, it would -- i don't think that scenario would come about. i think it would be actually rather difficult for him to simply pick up the phone, call vladimir putin and have a chat. even in this rather chaotic white house, i think there would be some protocol that would have someone else in the room and have that call arranged in a sort of formal scheduled way. >> john finer, you think that's happening? >> you know, again -- >> we don't know what we don't know. >> it's a hard thing for anybody outside the white house. >> reporter: i have to add, we don't know what we don't know. yes. >> i mean, i totally agree. and the problem is, when these things have been denied repeatedly and it turns out later they're acknowledged, be even the denials lose their force. >> john mclaughlin, you've got the best backdrop today. john finer, you're stuck with me
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>> i want you to remember these words. like the defining moment in this trial, the day mr. darden asked mr. simpson to try on those gloves and the gloves didn't fit. remember those words. if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. >> and they did. but simpson was subsequently found liable for the deaths in a civil case, and was ordered to pay a $33 million judgment. let's bring in nbc's katie beck, who is in lovelock, nevada. msnbc legal analyst, katie feng, also with us. what are we expecting from the parole board tomorrow? >> reporter: it's made up of four commissioners, meeting in carson city, 130 miles from the prison. they're going to be gathering around 10:00 a.m., and they're going to video conference o.j. simpson into that hearing.
he is going to be able to address them directly, make his case for why he thinks he is deserving of parole. we expect they will ask him several questions about his disciplinary action while incarcerated. they'll be asking him about drug and alcohol use, possible gang affiliations. what they're trying to do is a risk assessment, really, to determine how much risk there is in giving o.j. simpson parole. after about 30 minutes, they're going to conclude that hearing and then go behind closed doors and make their decision. we should know whether that parole is granted or denied within about an hour of that hearing. so all of this is going to be happening rather quickly. >> if they decide to grant him parole, when does he walk out of the prison? >> reporter: the soonest he could walk out of the prison would be october 1st. but there are other things in play there that have to happen before then. he actually has to present them with a plan for what he plans to do after he's paroled. where is he going to work, where is he going to live? a close friend of o.j. simpson's told nbc news he plans to live in florida, but that is something that the parole board
will again have to approve once he is granted. if he is granted. >> katie feng, how likely is it that o.j. simpson gets released? >> reporter: well, it's always upon the discretion of those commissioners that katie beck just talked about. but really, it's an 11-factor point system that's at play right now. if he scores low enough, craig, he will qualify. but ultimately the four commissioners will decide:their discretion whether or not he's going to be allowed to walk free. as for the last statement as to whether he's coming back to florida, a few years ago in miami-dade county, his residence was foreclosed upon for failure to pay mortgage payments for two years. so in terms of a place to come and live, he doesn't really have a place to come in miami, so it's left to be seen where he's going to tell the parole board where he plans to put his roots when he gets out of prison. >> really quickly, can anyone involved in either the criminal case or the civil case, could they speak at the parole hearing tomorrow? >> reporter: absolutely. in fact, what's fascinating is,
one of the victims during that robbery in las vegas plans to speak on behalf of o.j. simpson. so it's pretty fascinating that one of the victims is going to come forward and actually advocate for him to be released. >> the guy that he robbed is going to speak on his behalf. >> reporter: yeah. crazy, huh? yeah, that's what's going to happen. >> katie phang, katie beck. we'll be carrying that hearing live tomorrow at 1:00 on msnbc. repeal and replace yet again. president trump, this hour, saying that, quote, we shouldn't leave town until this is complete. but will that satisfy his base? >> i wanted him to repeal it completely. it doesn't look like that's going to happen. but in life, once you give somebody something, it's hard to take it away.
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i don't even know how to keep track. going back to the idea of repeal and replace when only 24 how weres ago -- hourins ago he wasg repeal only. they need a partner in the white house. it's hard to say how they could salvage it if they don't know which way they're going. we heard from the majority leader here saying he doesn't want to, they're going to take this vote and he doesn't think the votes are there. we'll have a vote next week. i don't think it gets valsalvag. >> we heard president trump warn of what he called the consequences of not replacing obama care. here is what he said. >> it is not fine for another reason. it's gone, it failed, not going to be around.
we pay hundreds of millions of dollars a month in subsidies that the courts don't want us to pay and when the payments stop, it stops immediately. >> i'm not even sure how much of that is true. what are the implications of what he is saying there? >> he is tlaetthreatening to le obama care fail, and they say it it may only collapse if it was pushed. these are money that the insurance companies have relied on to make the plans more affordable. and they have, defending on those, they call them a ransom payment, some are bailingout for the insurance industry. but they may need to raise premiums and pull out of the markets entirely. the open enrollment takes a long
time. getting them approved by regulators, so they're desperate for some certainty of the plans, and there is the question of who gets blamed if it does fail. there was a poll from the kaiser foundation that 59% of americans that trump, washington, white house, only 30% blame democrats. >> they understand that republicans, they own the town, they control the house, the senate, they control the white house. why can't they manage to get anything done on health care? >> i think they were a victim of their own process. they crafted it in secret. they didn't build support out in the country. they did it by surprise, no hearings, and in a way it was intended to allow a sneak attack
on barack obama care and get it past but it had the opposite effect. republicans running against obama care now for eight years, but they have not actually built a consensus internally in their party for what should replace it. what their ideal version of health care, in the country looks like, but there are certainly policy ideas out there, selling insurance across state lines, but there is no replacement that the party has run on and won support from from the voters. and faced with that, the whole thing collapsed of it's own weight. >> you wrote something recently that caught our attention. i want to share it. you wrote in part "nearly every g.o.p. senator was eager check the box of repealing and replacing the affordable care act, but many were distressed by the up ending of a law growing deep routes in statements that
is rising in popularity and relied upon by some republican governors. have we under estimaestimated t pressure from red and blue states. >> we're talking about alaska, maine, kentucky, places that are not blue states and people have come to depend on that and it is very, very difficult to make the case to someone that you're going to take away something they will be completely reliant on for their basic needs of health care. they are talking about health care as a personal thing, a budgetary thing, and they are having to switch the way they think about health care and the way they message. >> we didn't goat it this hour,
but the president spent some time with the voter integrity commission that he convenes pd. what are you hearing about that? >> i'm hearing there is a lot of opposition. they are off to a slow start as you saw, they were trying to get data from the states, and they were rebuffed. and the commission there was real differences of opinion and the difference and severity. they believe this is a pretext, credit legislative bases, and it will be a tough slide for them the whole way. >> a big thank you to all of you it afternoon nap will do it for me, i'll see you back here tomorrow, my colleague katie tur
picking things up tomorrow. >> can't wait to see you back here tomorrow if. >> really? >> it's going to be great. >> the president of the united states just unleashed on obama care democrats and republican senators that blocked efforts to repeople the aca with no replacement. >> people are hurting and action is not an option. and frankly, i don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan. >> deputy press secretary sarah huckabee sanders is set to give an off camera press briefing once again. she will be answering questions about health care and our other top story of the day, russia. we now know there was a second meeting