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loyalist as new messaging machine. the big nbc news exclusive. have you seen it, the first interview with russia's foreign minister since the g20 talks why he's talking toilets, trump and trying to get back the diplomatic compounds. chris jansing is at the white house and also here carol and garrett and carol, one of the reporters behind that story on how the white house is looking to cut ways. as well as a member of george w. bush's legal team and then our panel for the hour, as we still look at carol here, we have julie and jim on set. carol, let me start with you since we're showing you here. you're behind one of the bombshell stories of the morning. walk us through what the president is trying to find out now from people close to him. >> well, remember, one of the most famous legclients in the wd
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right now, president trump, learning from his team, what are the problems in this case. what is my exposure? what is my family's exposure? what about my white house? the president, naturally, is asking a lot of interesting questions like what about pardoning. can i pardon my family? can i pardon advisors? can i pardon myself? when can i use this power? he is asking the natural, curious questions you would ask if you're a client. it just so happens to be he's. >> ron: on a dominant stage. >> what can the president realistically do when it comes to pardoning? >> in our nation's history we never had an example of a president who tried to pardon himself. the short answer is, we don't know. the constitution doesn't place any restrictions on the president's ability to pardon himself, but at the same time, i think a lot of legal scholars would say that the very nature of a pardon is something that you bestow on somebody else.
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>> he has unilateral power to do that. >> that would go up to the supreme court. >> chris jansing is with us on the white house north lawn. chris, walk us through here what the special counsel, what bob mueller is looking at. we know what the president doesn't want him to touch, but tell us what he's actually doing here. >> he doesn't want to touch the money or the business dealings and so intertwined with and our investigative looking into this and they found out that they are, indeed, these investigators looking into a broad range of topics that would include financial transactions. a lot of paperwork out there including some when gone to the senate would go and look at exactly what the marching orders were from rod rosenstein when he appointed the special counsel. he can look at any links and/or coordination between the russian government and individuals
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associated with the campaign of president donald trump and any other matters in the scope. don't look at this a widening but look at it as part of the natural order of things as he follows wherever this investigation takes him. the famous phrase from watergate, of course, is follow the money. that money could take them to banks, banks that maybe had dealings with jared kushner. could take them to financial transactions, real estate dealings that maybe could lead them to paul manafort. all of this they consider to be fair game. we need to mention, of course, when you look at the team of lawyers that robert mueller has put together, they are very experienced at these very complex kind of investigations that involve thousands, even tens of thousands of people of paper and legal documents, as well as legal documents. >> when you talk about the legal team bob mueller and the people that president trump has around him and we understand there is a shakeup happening now of who is kind of leading that charge. >> mark is a long-time lawyer of the president, i think going
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back to 2000. he is the one that did trump university. his role has been significantly downsized in favor of the guy you see there, mark sekulow everyone is familiar, he's been out there. but john dowd and two very experienced hands in washington, d.c., and very well known. you're going to have sekulow everywhere still. you'll see him out there in the communication's role. sekulow and dowd outside. they're working this as people who have that attorney/client privilege. but a big change still. it shows you how seriously the president is taking this that he has that team of heavy hitters. >> chris jansing on the white house north lawn. we'll see you later today, this afternoon, chris, when you're on the air. carol, back to you now. walk us through why there is this public push now to start to
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try to undercut or discredit bob mueller's investigation rather than letting this play out behind closed doors. aapparently, the white house feels this behooves them to get out there and talk about mueller. >> so, i think this is the president sort of general dna. you know, he -- this is very normal in a legal environment for a defense team to be looking at their prosecutor and looking that prosecutor's team and looking at conflicts. and as a u.s. attorney, former u.s. attorney said good luck with that about finding conflicts in mueller's office that would actually get mueller removed. but, remember, back to the issue of trump and and being more aggressive in saying we have serious questions about the scope of this probe. we have serious questions about conflicts. the president even said, i'll
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reveal some of these conflicts later. we learned about one that is particularly important to the president, a source told us, that he's concerned that mueller may have some animus towards the trump family or the trump organization over the former fbi director then mueller's resignation from a trump golf club. back in 2011. and during this there was some allegedly dispute over fees when mueller resigned from the club. he was owed some back fees. mueller's spokesperson told us last night there is absolutely no dispute. but, apparently, the president finds this intriguing and worrisome. >> jim and julie are with me here on set. is that where this is coming down to? where he played golf? >> robert mueller is respected on both sides is somehow compromised in this investigation because he can't play golf at a trump gfl course seems ludicrous. but carol's reporting is
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awesome, one of the best reporters around. if you step back, we're headed towards a true constitutional crisis. like, that's what this is all about. the president knows. you don't ask about what can i pardon myself, if you don't think there is something to hide. you don't ask about that for your family members. if you don't think somebody is going to get charged. >> you don't buy the argument that someone is looking it up. >> they believe that once he digs into their financial dealings that there's something there. if it's not with him, it's with jared kushner and others. once that hans, he knows he has to play offense. he's a terrible client for lawyers because he's never going to behave. he wants junk yard dogs. he wants to fight. at the end of the day, as long as 40% of americans are with him he can go to war and do things -- he will do it. it's all about the conflict to come. >> and what we see now is him laying the ground work for this. so, ever since mueller was named, he has been talking and
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his aides have been talking to people around him saying he may have a conflict. he is conflicted. they talked about how close he was with comey and about -- now, so, they're laying the predicate for there is a reason to suspect him and a reason potentially to get rid of him and also that they're laying the predicate if this goes as far as it hohe hop to go. >> whenever you have a prosecutor who has a long licence to do what they want, you worry they will go into other areas. that's not unusual. i'm not going to ask for a pardon for cheating on my wife if i haven't cheat on you. why would you ask for a pardon for a sin you didn't commit? >> let me go to this idea of him getting discredited because we're seeing that this morning already. kellyanne conway was out on fox talking about this and here's what she had to say. >> people should know what
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people pass and their political motivations are. these were minor donations. i said on the show and else where before. these were significant donations by members of that team. they clearly wanted the other person to win. >> planting the seeds there, right. because there were donations to democrats, that sort of undermines potentially whatever bob mueller comes up with. never mind that president trump, however, has donated to democrats in the past. jim calls it a constitutional crisis. is that overstating it or do we agree? >> i will agree with this. the storm clouds are gathering and there is one other point. if you look back at our history, any time you have an independent counsel investigation it expands and expands and expands like a gas to fill the expanded space. whitewater investigation with clinton and we ended with a blue dress. i think the president looks and says, i see what's coming down the pike. i see investigation into my family, into my financial dealings. he looks at mueller and he sees jeff sessions. why am i in this position and we're seeing the president now
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exploring all his options including nuclear options. >> prosecutor announced as corrupt accused of leading witch-hunt. that is from 1998. everything old is new again. is that playbook going to work this time around, do you think? >> the old vast wing conspiracy. president trump has been calling this a witch-hunt now for weeks. the interesting thing to me about the golf thing. a lot of talk about the donations that attorneys on the staff of this investigation have made and whether that's a conflict. nothing specifically to mueller himself. what they're trying to do is tie it to him and some personal reason to be compromised. i guess in the mind of the president would be a potential reason to dismiss him later on. >> we haven't heard a ton on this from capitol hill. or will we hear more from democrats? >> here is my theory. if you're a republican because most republicans still like donald trump, you're going to stay silent. what is different and what is different from clinton, i don't
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know any republicans on capitol hill. very few who actually like donald trump. who when push come to shove will have his back. >> chris collins does. >> but what happens? >> with the positions that matter. that doesn't matter today. what they're saying today doesn't matter. it matters once the stuff really gets real. are people there to protect and have his back? they do not have the natural inclination to have his back. the stuff today, interesting, yes. irrelevant. when push comes to shove. do they have his back. i'm betting that they don't. >> i'll play a sound bite that you will think is irrelevant. chris collins talking about that whole situation. i'll play that quickly and then we'll get to you. >> i would hope that mueller doesn't cross the line in the tax returns and he should let go of some of the business things. let's face it, the president is not subject to the normal ethic issues when it comes to business. >> okay, so, the argument being made, tom, hey, business dealings should be off the table. >> well, the problem is that as
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we saw the special counsel's mandate is broad and incompasses a license basically to investigate anything he comes across in his investigation and that poses the danger to the white house. that is going to expand. >> also nonsensical. if you're an investigator and looking into russia. what would be the reason for behavior. you have to look at someone's finances to see if there are any, are you entangled with them financially in the past in a way that would affect your behavior today. president trump can say it all he wants. >> what i'm curious how the response comes out later today depending on what kind of briefing we see from the white house and where we are on that. tom and carol, thank you very much. carol, great piece this morning in "the post." julie and jim, i'll make you hang out with me for a couple more minutes. next up, how many times president trump and vladimir putin met at the g20. we know about three. three talks. now the russian foreign minister said there may have been more. that nbc news exclusive is next. .
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foreign minister who has given his first interview since the g20 summit in germany. here is the big headline. russian president putin and president trump may have met more than the three times we knew they interacted at the g20. keir simmons joining us with more on that.
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let's start with that top line out of this. walk us through how this interview went and what stood out to you. >> that's right. hallie, you and i were at the g-20 and we both ran into each other when we were attending president putin's news conference. we know how informal that gathering may be. the foreign minister has a point. maybe the two leaders ran across each other and they interacted on a number of other occasions. the point is, though, that we don't know. and you can bet that the russians know exactly how many times there were exchanges between president trump and president putin and, yet, and yet in this interview as you'll hear lav rauv says it happened three times. >> we know about president trump and president putin meeting three times. they met at the dinner --
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>> maybe they met -- >> photographed shaking hands. that's my question. did they meet other times in the hallways? other times they met? >> when you're brought by your parents to kindergarten, do you mix with the people who are waiting in the same room to start going to a classroom? >> if the g20, not a kindergarten. >> there is also a rule where they get together before and the event starts. they cannot arrive all at the same time on their bus. so, they might have met even more than just three times. >> and lavrov a lot of history in recent months. he was also in the oval office back in may. this was his first u.s. interview since then, too. you remember the controversy over whether president trump revealed u.s. intelligence to him during that meeting. listen to how he describes that.
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>> he was accused of telling me a secret about something, which was discovered by special services. and which related to the ability of terrorists to manipulate with smartphones and notebooks. the way which would allow the explosive to be placed in those devices. but this very statement was made publicly either by fbi or by cia about a month before i entered the oval office. when this was cited as a secret, top secret, revealed to me by president trump, i really did not believe that make this kind of allegation. >> there is a lot more to his interview and playing more throughout the day on msnbc,
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including what lavrov has to say about those claims that president trump accepted president putin's rejection of any suggestion that russia meddled in the u.s. elections, hallie. >> keir simmons, looking for more of that today and tonight on nbc news. i'm joined now by somebody else nbc news chief foreign correspondent andrea mitchell host of "andrea mitchell reports" at noon eastern. a pleasure to be with you, my friend. thanks for joining us here. >> thank you. thanks having me. >> you listened to that interview with keir. walk us through what stood out to you? what was so fascinating about it? >> this was classic lavrov who has secretary of state for decades. he loves being sarcastic, as you well know. i don't think he really has any information about more meetings.
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i to thi i do think that his claim thatputen and trump agreed that there was no meddling by russia. that trump accepted that explanation from putin is terribly significant. that is the risk of having a meeting without a u.s. translator or notetaker. there wasn't a note taker even at the formal meeting. there was the secretary of state who briefed it very differently to reporters, as you well know on air force one. so, having no formal record of this and letting the russians spin it and, remember, what did happen after that really controversial meeting in the oval office was that the russians had an official photographer who put it out right away. the u.s. side didn't have any journalists. have any coverage at all and they were able to spin it immediately. and, also, to minimize the impact of that meeting with kislyak and others in the oval office. the president let them know about the source of the laptops.
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it was israeli intelligence. very easy for them to discern sources and methods. the israelis were furious. it was very disruptive to a number of close u.s. allies who share intelligence and expected to not be blurted out by the president of the united states by a russian adversary in the oval office, no less. >> it seem ts to me watching th it was classic sergei lavrov. something that happened with you and him when you asked him about the firing of james comey. >> sure thing. >> does the comey firing cast a shadow over your talks, gentlemen? >> you're kidding. you're kidding. >> what about the russian -- what about the russia investigation? >> he's so sarcastic, andrea. that's what we saw with keir today. >> exactly. >> i don't want to say like the
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ultimate troll, but he definitely likes to needle americans. he li he likes to needle americans asking questions. this is just how he operates, right? >> absolutely. absolutely tactical. it's part of his tool kit. and it's part of russian disinformation. they get the headlines and they run circles around us. and i think the point is that people in the intelligence community, the professionals who have worked under republican and democratic presidents are really concerned that this president, new to politics, doesn't know how to go up against someone like vladimir putin. it would take a really experienced player to go up against vladimir putin or sergei lavrov and donald trump doesn't have that kind of experience. >> very quickly before i let you go, andrea. i want to talk about one of oyour other day jobs, covering the state department, of course. rumblings this week about reorganization that rex
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tillerson is doing over there and concerns about the cybersecurity chief leaving and what's happening sort of inside that building and how do you see that playing out? >> it's really a meltdown. and i talk to foreign service officers who are running for the exits. we're losing a whole some taking early retirement and some really experienced people taking retirements that they didn't accept they would. the fact is that he's put in place a job freeze and a management survey which is what you would do in a business setting at exxon mobil, perhaps. but the problem here is that this bureaucracy bloated as it may be in some ways. can't respond because the government can't respond to this kind of management survey. let's say they get the results at the end oof the summer and next fall. then they'll start filling all these vacancies. no assistant secretaries filled and these acting secretaries
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have no power under him. his staff, the deputy john sullivan is really trying to hard to communicate with weekly updates. the fact if they send nominations up in the fall they won't have confirmation hearings until the spring. half of their term will be gone before they ever, you know, ever get there. and, also, that he is advocating for a 30% cut. corker the, republican chairman and foreign relations won't go along with that. if, let's say, they get a 15% cut, that is the new baseline for what the state department and that is severe. that is going into the muscle and the bone. >> andrea mitchell, we'll see you in just about 90 minutes or so right here on this netswork from aspen. >> you'll see andrea today at noon eastern right here on msnbc. here on this hour, we're talking about the hustle to hold a vote. any vote on health care. republicans get back to the capital next week. several options possibly on the table. what are they? we are breaking it down, next.
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so, we are back now with a look at your morning headlines and a look at the possibility of maybe a new face joining the west wing team. that's right. a lot of talk he could be named white house communication director.
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if he's a familiar face, it's because he's been all over tv defending the president. a wall street banker who has been a long-time backer of his. one source telling nbc news the u.s. will ban americans from traveling there after the death of university student warmbier. you remember he was arrested last year in north korea, fell into a coma and died not long after being released and flown back to the u.s. people are still feeling the aftershocks this morning after a 6.7 magnitude earthquake ripped across places in greece and turkey. look at some of these images. incredibly powerful. buildings collapsed on one greek island. surveillance video shows tourists running out of a turkish restaurant. you're going to see it move here in a second. 120 people have been hurt. you see it there. they walk in, the shaking beg
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begins. it's dramatic stuff. some republicans come back to the hill next week, the plan is to vote on a health care proposal but still not clear what they're going to be voting on in the first place. mitch mcconnell may make him vote on his revised plan. he could maybe move that same bill and add an amendment from senator ted cruz or could make them all vote on a bill from 2015 to get rid of obamacare altogether ask delay any kind of replacement for a couple years. my colleague garrett is over at the capitol. a, b or c, which is it going to be? >> hallie, it's important to tell you my team and senators not a single senator could say for certain what they would be voting on when they came back. >> tbd -- >> i'm going to go with c. that's what mitch mcconnell announced. appeal and replace later. by all accounts they want to try to bring to the floor. it gets conservatives back on board. the moderates a whole different story.
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>> and, garrett, how is the new cbo score out changed the debate on this? it's a quiet day on the hill. everybody is out of town and not a ton of reaction. what is your sense? >> the cbo score was kind of a mess. 22 million fewer people insured after ten years on this revised plan and it doesn't take into account this amendment from ted cruz which is one of the big changes to the senate bill. the senate's original bill, the reconciliation act is a frankenstein's monster as they tried to make all these changes to it. what we'll see over the weekend and going into next week is a ton of pressure being put on the moderate senators to get behind repeal now and replace later. we're seeing television ads going up and online ads linking and anybody who is against repeal now and replace later. they're saying, okay, fine, if that's the way you want to go you're defending obamacare and the status quo and trying to raise conservative tazput pressure on them to get anything
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moving forward that they can actually hold a vote on early next week. >> garrett haake on capitol hill, thank you for joining us. joining us jim and julie back with us. elise, first over to you, pick up where garrett left off. will moderate republicans, do you think it will move the needle at all? >> already three gop senators all women saying that they aren't going to go for strict repeal. it's just been baffling tao me this entire process. the leadership so intent on voting on anything, not even necessarily informing the senators what they're voting for and just doing something and it really makes me very uneasy that this is how we're going about fundamentally reorganizing one-sixth of the nation's economy. >> not just you, elise, senators on the hill saying, yeah, we don't maybe have the luxury of knowing exactly what we're going to vote on and you're shaking your head here, julie.
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>> it's reminiscent of what the democrats said before obamacare that famous nancy pelosi quote you have to read the bill to pass to see what's in it. you would think they are thinking ahead to avoid that pit fall. the president is they have a president here who has not been really pushing this process or leading it at all. not giving them any ammunition to sell this thing. >> one lunch this week. >> one lunch this week and that was after the bill collapsed twice. first, they were going to try to do the repeal and replace. they realized they didn't have enough support and then the straight repeal and after that it became clear that the president convened this lunch and give him the sales job that they have been wondering for weeks why the white house isn't helping out with. the problem is that they don't have 50 votes for any of the solutions that you -- >> neither a, b or c. >> remind you of someone on a tight budget doing the calculations on a cal kurt over
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and over again and this many tens of millions of people will lose on insurance and premiums will go up this much. a situation where they don't have good options. they will have to pick from the bad ones, right? >> at the end of the day, i don't think president trump could do anything to influence what's happening on capitol hill. the problem is once you create an entitlement and give somebody something in politics it is really, really hard to take it away. one of the sad things about this health care debate is obamacare is important. if you don't have insurance, it was important. if you're part of that very small sliver of people who get stuff on the obamacare market it is important. none of this debate goes to the health care problem that the country has. we have people getting older, staying alive longer and people having fewer babies. at a time when you have the health care system extremely bureaucratic and extremely costly. this doesn't do anything really with the cost and it doesn't deal with the fact that we now have three different health care inti entitlements that are extremely
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expensive. we wasted six months and nothing will happen. they will do a repeal vote and move on and move to tax reform. >> do you think it is going to happen, elise? there is compromise talk happening. you heard steve talk about the idea to push this medicaid plan and use taxes to offset costs, is that something that could maybe turn some of these noes to a yes maybe? >> i've been so surprised watching this process and how senate leadership approached and the white house because this is going to happen and we have the votes, we have the votes, given how they have been so off base throughout this entire process, maybe they will do something next week. but i don't see anyone compromising and i don't see any of these votes necessarily changing at this point. >> elise jordan, thank you very much for joining us here. for that, julie and jim, hang out for a little bit longer. we want to talk about donald trump. >> no way. >> we're six months in to his administration. imagine that on this program talking about the president.
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mark, thanks for being with us here. so, let's start with the president's biggest core campaign promises. health care, border wall, travel ban. give us the reality. >> yeah, hallie, on those fronts and repealing obamacare. that has a pulse in the united states senate right now, but barely. and getting that 50 votes right now certainly remains to be seen. when it comes to the border wall, that is going to be decided during the appropriations process for congress and notably there are republicans including republicans from texas who are opposed to that. and then on the travel ban, that is in the hands of the united states supreme court. and we're going to end up finding that out in the next year or so. >> anything the president can check off the list? >> i think we're all looking to see on health care? again, i think it is notable that they're not giving up and they're not quitting. the pathway to 50 votes don't seem to be there and next week will decide on whether they do it or start checking that off or if i give that a big fat x.
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>> if you go to what he has done, though, to what promises he has completed and there are some things that he said he was going to do, of regulations. that is something you hear from the white house all the time and nick was just out talking about this. they cut back on regulings that make it tough for businesses. >> here is what he has been able to do, supreme court nomination. neil gorsuch was confirmed. he is on the united states supreme court. that is a check. withdrawing from the transpacific partnership or the tpp, he is able to check that off, as well. i would say that that fate of that was sealed in the latter part of barack obama's presidency. and then as you mentioned, scrapping the regulations from the congressional review act. something he has been able to accomplish. >> as he starts the second half of last year, how does he stack to people. approval ratings from past presidents? >> strictly on approval rating,
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had, hallie, he is in the 30s. the lowest one in the modern era. but all other presidents were well above 50% there. >> mark murray there from our washington bureau, mark, thank you very much. guys, not a surprise to see some of these numbers. the president has been sitting in that area for a long time now, julie. >> and that is an area that i think he and his advisors are resigned to. they get they're probably not going to get above this 40% of voters who voted for him and who support him strongly. the problem with the list that mark just pointed out is that the checkmarks are all on things that he's undoing. he's undoing regulations and undo obamacare and pulled out of the transpacific partnership. in terms of a proactive agenda of replacement obamacare with cutting something else and infrastructure plan of something else and none of those things have materialized and that will become a bigger and bigger problem and inside the white
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house a lot of anxiety and at least legislatively, they have zero. >> border wall is interesting on that list, too. you heard the white house come out in the last 24 hours and incremental steps we are making towards this very important campaign pledge. seems like they're trying to get momentum around one of these promises. >> they will say they built a wall. probably a waste of money at this point. they'll get a little bit because that's what conservatives want to do. listen, for everyone, it's been 13 months. he's been at 36% to 42%. never below, never above and he's never going below and probably never going above. >> i don't agree with you on that. people care about health care. they care about the issue. >> they care about the issue. if people cared about his performance. why do his numbers among his base never move. they wanted to come here and give you and me a middle finger, democrats and the institutions
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and that's what they love. my brother called when i was on the way in and he's a trump guy. he just said i just hate all of you. and i think there's so -- >> you hear that a lot. >> even if you're a true blue conservative, don't underestimate that court pick. they now have tilted the court for a generation. they probably get a second shot at it over trump. they're going to tilt the court for a generation. if you're a christian, if that's all you got, you would take that over any day of the week. we hyperventilate about health care and it's important. and we hyperventilate about tax reform and probably get something small on tax reform. not what they're talking about but a marginal reduction and they'll be happy and they'll call that tax reform. if you're the average person sitting out there, what are you guys all worked up about? whether that's right or not, i think that's it. >> the problem with that starts
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to be that may be okay if you're donald trump. not okay if you're a republican member of congress. no confidence tashow to voters in 2018 and giving the middle finger to the establishment and the people in office, republicans lose the senate. if they lose the house, then all these investigations and all this stuff that we're talking about that is all theoretical is a concrete possibility that you might have a congress willing to impeach the president. >> giving all the shout outs to all your family is fabulous. stick around, coming up, we do want to talk more about something that has been a headline all week long. russia. this administration reportedly starting to give moscow what he wants. arm rebels in syria. why my next guest calls that a breathtaking surrender to russia. you don't know this yet but in fifteen hundred miles, you'll see what you're really made of. after five hours of spinning and one unfortunate ride on the gravitron, your grandkids spot a 6 foot banana that you need to win.
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and that informal chat after. trump's extended contact with putin, is quote, alienating republicans from their own heroic foreign policy tradition. joining me, the author, served as chief speechwriter for george w. bush and jim and julie are back here. the piece, bring it up again, trump's breathtaking surrender to russia. you say the u.s. is strategically and morally disarmed. explain that? >> we're seeing a series of p preemptive concessions that don't seem to be explained by concerns. you have abandoning proxies in syria, letting russia have a role in the middle east that really is their largest since throughout the soviets in the '70s. we're seeing a shift, a large shift in american attitudes
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towards russia that don't seem to be explained by strategic concerns. >> you don't buy the argument that the white house makes, this is to build a relationship to fight terror and fight isis and find that common ground? >> no, it doesn't explain allowing this kind of role for the russians in the middle east. it doesn't explain the general attitudes they bring towards these matters. so no, i think that there are a couple of possible explanations. i mean, this could be authoritarian envy. i think the president has expressed real respect for putin's approach to politics in the past. it could be an agreement with this european anti-democratic populism in europe that really putin has fed and that trump seems to be aligned with. it could be other reasons but none of the reasons are benign that are think are credible. >> let's talk about the covert
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program from the cia that arms ant anti-assad rebels essentially, that the program is ending. nbc news has not confirmed that independently ourself. it does look like a concession to russia but there have been questions how effective the program is. do you see any room there for that to simply not be surrendered to moscow? >> i've been in the region and everyone that has proxies seems loyal to them. the russians are loyal to their iranian proxies that help the regime, the genocidal regime and hezbollah. the sunni powers have been loyal to radical elements in the syrian conflict in the past. the united states has been a faithless ally in all of this. and now that attitude was existent in the obama administration, and now it is confirmed in this administration. >> what's interesting to me is how president's supporters and how republicans are responding as well. we have this new survey monkey poll that shows among people
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polled that identify as republicans, 46% see russia as friendly, 9% say them as an ally, 8% see russia as an enemy. are those numbers surprising to you? >> go back to when mitt romney ran for president, his view and republican party's view was it was the number one geopolitical threat -- >> romney got ridiculed for saying that. >> yeah, in the meetings for people who have that view, how can you put russia on the same stage as the united states as european allies, this is a country that rewards and enriches oligarchs at the expense of the population. it's a third rate nation that jails and kills journalists and routinely assassinates people, almost every month a story about someone being mysteriously assassinated add odds with vladimir putin. that's not normal and there's nothing friendly about their intentions and never has been anything -- >> why do people see them as
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friendly? >> in part because of trump and this consensus, a longstanding connecticsensus for many years, hawkish on russia seems to be chipped a way a bit. in the senate we saw a strong vote on sanctions and in the house they are delaying that bill and want to change that bill. there's a real stepping back from the very strong sort of anti-russia strain that we've heard from the house republican conference in the past. so i think it's not necessarily surprising when you see that from the president and from capitol hill, they are being told that this is now a different relationship and people are falling along with that. >> tough talk from you in the "washington post." thank you for talking with us on the set. julie and jim, thank you as well. we'll take a quick break and come right back with today's big picture.
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we want to wrap up with today's big picture and this one comes from the gaza strip. this is a palestinian boy standing fen between hamas militants. it's part of a stepped up military presence against new israeli security measures at a highly symbolic mosque. this morning already at least two palestinians have been killed in demonstrations there. the photographer ever this photo for reuters, east posting today's big picture on night facebook and twitter and snapchat pages. i'm responding on comments to all of it after the show as always. for now i'll turn it over to ali
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velshi and stephanie ruhle in new york. >> good morning, hallie. >> i'm stephanie ruhle. >> and i'm ali velshi. it's friday, july 21st, get start. >> the key figure in the controversy is speaking out to us this morning xbl we know about president putin and president trump meeting three times in the g-20. they met for the bilateral and met at the dinner and -- >> maybe they want to toilet together. >> the white house is trying to turn the tables on the special counsel leading the russia investigation. >> the president what he thinks the thought, it is quickly on his lips. >> the mueller investigation has so much conflicts of interest, it's almost an absurdity. >> where is this going? if you're going to keep up every chute and ladder and the president made very clear this is a witch hunt. >> he lost two members of his legal team. >> the post also reporting mr. trump asked advisers about

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